SERIES REVIEW: Alien: Earth

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Hello, this is Brian K.

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Vaughan, writer of Why the Last Man, Ex Machina, Paper Girls, Saga, and a bunch of other crap.

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And you are listening to the best podcast in the universe, the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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oh to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Knowles.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 209 of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I'm your little creepy eye monster just looking for a hole to burrow in Chris Hacker and joining me is the three time Weyland-Yutani monster wrangler of the month, my co-host and BFF Aaron Knowles.

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oh or face my fury.

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Okay, we're always going to be getting into Alien Earth during this episode of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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But Aaron, I need to ask you before we even get into that conversation, before we get into our news and notes and all the other things you have to cover beforehand.

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What did you think when a live action canon alien show made a connection to Ice Age?

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immediate thought was how much is this going to like increase the viewership of Ice Age?

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You think folks will be returning back to the Ice Age franchise because of this?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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Okay.

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get referenced a lot.

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You know, there's not a, there's not a whole lot of reference references other than, uh, you know, that character, the, the, the, the sloth or whatever the fuck he is.

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Yeah.

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And like that, that one's, know, so I think people are going to go back and be excited about it.

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Interesting.

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Also another quick question before we get into everything.

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What did you think about the alien live action alien franchise making connection to Peter Pan strong on the Disney IP train right now over there in the alien corner of uh 20th century?

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What were your thoughts on that?

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You know, I mean, I'm not against it.

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The symbolism of how it really like related to a lot of the tones and the, I guess the messaging in the show.

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thought it was a really cool kind of parallel.

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So I thought, you know, I did enjoy it and I'm excited to kind of dive deeper into that, into those connections.

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Sometimes the IP monster tickles you in the right way.

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You know, like, yeah, I'm sort of thinking of like Avengers Age of Ultron.

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You remember when Ultron was first sort of created and then the background.

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strings to hold me down.

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The the Pinocchio no strings attached or whatever the name of that song is Yep, they they do that there.

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I that was a really fun sort of subtle Anyway, well, we'll get an alien earth here in just a moment everybody before we get into that We need to tell you all about upcoming here New York Comic Con on Friday the 10th at 12 45 Friday Friday come hang out with us over in room 0 3 no, which one It's like a commercial.

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It's this little girl.

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She's like going over her schedule.

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She's like, I'm doing this on Thursday and then on Friday.

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Sorry.

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it's pretty, it's not like old.

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I haven't seen it in a little while.

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Sorry.

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Room 1C03.

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Go ahead, Chris.

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My bad.

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No, you will not.

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I need you there.

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Here's the thing.

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If you're not there, I'm the straight man for a group of other like the other shows.

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Yeah.

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So part of our sort of charm is that I have to wrangle you in if I don't have you to wrangle.

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Exactly.

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Who am I going to?

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know, that's that's sort of my superpower, I guess.

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But again, our friends, Brian, Lisa, Gullickson over at the couple's counseling.

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So not only will you have a chance to see us all do a live podcast recording, and I, we always bring the goodies.

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That's what we do.

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uh Obviously, I would say a rising star in the comic book world.

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Again, an undiscovered genius within our medium.

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A teaser, a app teaser, a little face.

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There's a certain noise that the xenomorph makes when he smashes his little head through.

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It is like almost like, like, and it makes the same sort of impact on the head in every single iteration.

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It's yeah, I'm getting excited, Aaron.

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I want to talk about Alien Earth, I think.

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about, uh, damn it.

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It's like an impact, but it's more like, you know, when you, when you insert something into something.

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Penetrate.

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Thank you.

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was.

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That is when the, when the alien gripping vice mouth just penetrates the skull or the body.

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It's like this thunk, but also like, yeah, it's very, it's very, unique.

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hate the word penetrate.

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Well, Aaron, let's penetrate ourselves into our News and Notes.

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and notes.

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we have not talked about the box office in a while and I'm itching.

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I'm literally like shaking over here.

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Thanks for that.

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I need an ointment for how much I want to talk about the box office.

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before you do you want a quick joke?

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What is the difference between swine flu and bird flu?

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uh One is distributed by pigs and one is distributed by birds.

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No.

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Okay.

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One requires tweet mint and the other requires oink mint.

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Okay, I'm gonna sit with that for a moment.

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I need to decide if I think that's funny or not.

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I need a second.

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Please give me a moment.

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In these trying times.

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Aaron, you wanna say something else?

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What else you got?

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Oinkment.

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Just repeat it.

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If you repeat it, it gets funnier, I think.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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OK.

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I've come to conclusion, everybody.

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I think it was funny.

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My reaction doesn't show that it's funny, but it was.

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Nobody respects my comedy.

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It's a very it's very educated, advanced type of humor.

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Aaron has, I'll tell everybody.

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OK, let's get into the box office.

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We'll transition from that into box office talk here.

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Aaron, we're getting out of the blockbuster season here.

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We're heading into the fall final quarter.

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All you corporate heads were in quarter four of the year.

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And uh with Fantastic Four First Steps.

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Yeah, we're getting the end of the fiscal year.

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Fantastic Four First Steps is about to hit Disney or actually it already has.

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It's it's hit Disney Plus on September 23rd.

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And that means that the final superhero movie of the year has officially released.

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And Aaron, this is the first year.

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This is kind of bad news for, think, our sort of operation, because this is the first year since 2005 that a superhero movie has not finished in the top five highest grossing worldwide.

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So big yikes over there.

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Just a quick, quick sort of rundown here we have.

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And Aaron, help me out here in the end.

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Nezah.

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Nezha to here at a billion point or 1.9 billion Lilo and Stitch at 1.0.

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It's just a billion 1.03 Minecraft movie at number three Jurassic Park rebirth at number four and then how to train your dragon at number five Four of those are IP one of those being a Chinese film as well Most recently distributed through a 24 but point being is that you don't even get to a superhero movie until number seven Which is Superman at 600 million dollars.

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So Aaron here's a little sidebar to Warner Brothers of it all.

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Meanwhile, over with the Conjuring Last Rites.

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This is blow my mind, by the way.

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I can't believe that what I don't even know what entry it is in the Conjuring Universe.

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Seventh or sixth or seventh, not including spinoffs.

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the Conjuring Last Rites scored a franchise best launch.

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Eighty three million dollars domestically and one hundred eighty seven million dollars globally over the week over this, not last weekend, but the weekend before.

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And this is extended an epic theatrical run for Warner Brothers.

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as the seventh consecutive release to open at 40 million dollars.

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That's kind of crazy, right?

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Yeah.

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I mean, the fact that the hot mess that is Warner Brothers and David Zasloff just given himself many, many like raises out of nowhere for just like wholesale destroying films and uh putting like pimple poppers on HBO Max and then also changing the name of HBO Max six times.

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Somehow, Warner Brothers has fumbled their way into some pretty awesome success here in 2025.

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You throw enough darts at the wall, you're going to hit something.

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Yeah, a broken clock is right at least once a day, right?

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Is it twice a day or is it once twice?

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Okay.

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All right.

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You know what?

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I'm not I'm not a broken clock.

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I'm just a dumb clock.

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Okay, Aaron, here are the films that have reached that 40 million dollar mark.

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And we've actually covered a few of them here on the show.

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So we have a Minecraft movie at one hundred sixty two million dollar debut.

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That was an annoying time for moviegoers, everybody.

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The whole chicken jockey thing.

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Gosh, was that not like Aaron?

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Was that not the worst?

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Ha uh Sinners.

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That was a great movie experience.

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think a lot of folks had a great time with that $48 million opening.

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uh Final Destination Bloodlines.

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Again, a real head scratcher when it comes to why is this successful?

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it not terrible.

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m I didn't like it at all.

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think it's been my bottom five movies of 2025.

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pretty high brow Chris I'm saying so for us laymen it was not terrible.

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for the old slack-jawed uh for the window liquor crew.

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uh the window looking mouth breathers.

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We it's fuck.

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Yeah, let's fucking go.

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Speaking of seventh entries in a franchise.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's not horrible.

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just, you know, I didn't like it.

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Horrible.

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Okay.

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You're eating hair.

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F1, the movie at 57 million.

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We have Superman again, 125 million weapons.

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Good for the show.

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Eric Fett joined us to talk about it.

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Conjuring, 183 million.

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And then actually a film that I went to go see a couple nights ago.

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And I think it's my favorite of the year.

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One battle after another from Paul Thomas Anderson.

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It's currently projected to get 123 million in its opening weekend.

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It's incredible, Aaron.

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We talked about it in The Grid this past week, episode 180.

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Highly recommend folks go and see that and support that film.

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So if that projection stands as it currently sits, 123 million is gonna break that streak for Warner Brothers.

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And then last thing I'll say about this, Aaron, is that Disney is still currently leading the pack, even though Warner Brothers had a pretty great overall year.

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Disney still leads the pack in terms of overall box office.

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You they've had, again, Fantastic Four, They had Elio, the Pixar film.

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They have Captain America Brave New World, Thunderbolts, a bunch of other stuff.

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Leading the pack at the box office with $2.5 billion worldwide.

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That's mostly off the back of Lilo and Stitch, which is accounting for over half of that.

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you know, Disney's not getting those easy wins like they used to.

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Of course, I actually just saw the other day that Elio, even though it bombed at the box office, it's not even in the top 10 in terms of overall box office, it is currently killing it on Disney+.

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And I think that sets a really dangerous precedent for how we're trading audience training audiences to wait for films to come out on Disney Plus.

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So, Aaron, any of this surprise you?

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Do you I know you don't generally care about the box office is more of a Chris specific corner of the show.

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But what are your thoughts on this?

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Yeah, it's interesting.

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It really is.

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Especially the fact that like, you know, again, a Chinese film almost hit two billion, you know, and I realized that probably half that money came from China alone.

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um But like Lilo and Stitch, I didn't hear really didn't hear shit about it after it released.

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So that's very surprising.

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I haven't heard anything about that.

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Like it just it released and was like gone.

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Like I feel like the marketing campaign for that just like went and then like they're like, you know what?

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Fuck it.

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And they like cut it off.

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Yeah, you know and then I mean obviously the Minecraft movie we knew that was gonna do Like, you know, I don't know gangbusters gangbusters.

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I was gonna say ass to mouths.

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Um, I don't know why that popped in my Different things, uh, but it works.

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Uh, and then you know you and I had that discussion about um You know fantastic four and superman and thunderbolts like thunderbolts not surprising.

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It's lower down on the totem pole Yeah, I think that was always going to be the case too.

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Yeah, Superman.

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I am very surprised, but at the same time, not surprised that Superman is number seven.

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To be honest, think that a lot of people, I think that people were expecting that one to get again, to be a little more family friendly.

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And the fact that it wasn't got that got into word of mouth and kind of took it down a couple pegs.

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I think if it, which to me, I don't, I don't, I don't care.

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I thought it was great.

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So, uh, As Michael Jordan once said, fuck them kids, you know.

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um I also think that the goodwill that the DC brand has wore out a long time ago.

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think if most folks like you and I, like obviously we love Peacemaker and we liked Suicide Squad, again, both from James Gunn.

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I really liked Creature Commandos, but I think when folks think of DC, they think of the Snyder verse of it all.

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And that wasn't a lot of people's cup of tea.

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But we're on the, again, this is the same discussion we've had previously.

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They're on very different trajectories.

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DC is on its way up.

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We see this with Superman.

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MCU, Marvel on their way down.

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We see this with, you know, Fantastic Four being at number 10, Captain America being at 11, fucking Thunderbolts being at 13.

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Like we see that downward decline.

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Yeah, yeah, that's kind of the...

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order I'd say that they came out was, you know, like reverse, but like, again, it's not showing any great value in what they're putting out.

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And again, I think that we're going to just see better, bigger and better things with, with DC coming, you know, in the future with again, how good they're doing with a lot of these, you know, properties.

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Yeah, long gone are the days of Marvel putting out a average film and making a billion dollars.

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Yeah.

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You know, that that goodwill that they had with audiences, I think, ended probably around the time of COVID.

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And I think a lot of that has to do and we've talked about it before.

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We don't spend a lot of time on this, but I think a lot of it has to do with Disney Plus and the Marvel film or excuse me, the Marvel TV series.

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There's a of those.

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I would say this is a number that I'm throwing off the top of my head, but I would say 60 percent of those Disney Plus shows are average to bad.

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Yeah.

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You know.

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And that, I think that there has, there's something to be said about the casual viewer and how like, when you talk about what does an average viewer have to know to go and see a film?

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And I think for a long time, Marvel, the perk of it was that like, yeah, there is this larger universe, but you could also just go and watch an Iron Man film and still enjoy it because RDJ is a charisma machine.

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And you you love Chris Evans and all the things.

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Yeah, Ryan Reynolds.

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we, I doubt we're going to get any kind.

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So I understand we're getting the superhero, the quote unquote superhero.

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I don't believe in that by the way.

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I don't think that's I don't necessarily believe in it.

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I believe what we're getting and we've talked again, I keep reference.

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We've talked about this before.

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We're, getting fatigued by the, the, the mediocrity, the mediocrity of what they're putting out.

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However, there are these unique properties, Wolverine and Deadpool.

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Those are going to be your hitters.

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You know, like the ones that they can, can, can count on.

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And I want to say like adultify.

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Like those are going to be your winners.

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uh We've talked about this before.

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Sorry not to cut you off, but like you've you said this a couple of times and I feel like I need to like make a point here that I don't think it has anything to do with making things.

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They don't have to zig where DC is zagging or vice versa.

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No, I don't think they have to be more adult.

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It's a quality control thing.

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These movies are average and it's obvious.

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And this is coming from two folks, and I, who love this shit.

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And we will go to all of this inherently without seeing a trailer if we really have to.

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But like casual audiences won't do that.

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And again, as we said a moment ago with Elio, I think that that's not just true with animated films.

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That's true with movies in general is that streaming and COVID has trained audiences to wait if the movie is not being I mean, weapons is a good example of this where weapons made a shit ton of money centers as well, because everyone was talking about how great it was.

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like word of mouth is a lot more of an advantage than it used to be.

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That and that's what that's where I'm agreeing.

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I don't need like, I'm not saying that they need to to uh raise the ratings on all of these films and do some do and be edgier.

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I'm not saying that at all.

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But as you said earlier, gone are the days where we're just going to shell out 20 bucks per ticket to go see.

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I will not shell out another 20 bucks and go see like a movie like Captain America, Brave New World.

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I'm not going to go out and waste time and money to like seek out a seat for something like that.

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You just can't get me to do it as much as you can, like with the same faith that I used to.

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Time out.

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Yeah.

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Time out.

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I have to bring this up and I don't want to call you out on the show.

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But if you remember when we had our conversation about Captain America Brave New World, you loved that movie.

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I didn't love it, I enjoyed it.

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uh We might need to check the tape on this one because I remember you saying I think that you loved it and I hated it and I was very vocal.

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This is like one of the biggest riffs we've ever had in the show's history.

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It's like this in The Flash where I was very against it and you loved it and vice versa.

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Okay, how about this?

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How about this?

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We'll move on to the next piece of piece of news.

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You do a little research and you go back and you see what I rated Captain America Brave New World.

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Okay.

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Because for me, that's where the it's going to lie.

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I enjoyed parts of it.

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I don't think I loved it by far.

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was, you know, I had there again, there were things like the leader, which I really enjoyed his character kind of how they humanized him a little bit more.

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Anyways, I'll proceed with the news while Chris does that.

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All we're saying, all I'm saying is that these studios have work in front of them.

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So next up news, James Gunn is offering promising brave in the bold updates.

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So on the two bears, one cave podcast, James Gunn gave a surprisingly direct tease.

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He said there's a religious aspect to some of the stuff that's very uncomfortable.

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Should Batman have white eyes?

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That's a big subject of conversation.

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It's like, guys, that's what really matters.

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But those are things they care about.

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Should his utility belt be yellow?

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Should we have the yellow crest around the bat?

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All of that sort of stuff.

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None of these things.

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None of those things are what's important to me.

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What matters is the character and the story.

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So when it comes to personal taste, Gunn has revealed that his love of Batman really clicked when he discovered the darker supernatural take from the early 70s, particularly Batman number 255 by Dennis O'Neill and Irv Novick.

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That era of O'Neill and Adams was game changing for Batman because it pulled him out of the campy Silver Age and really ground him in his this Gothic crime stories while also introducing characters like Rosal Gould.

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or Raish Al Ghul, if you want to pronounce it, and his daughter, Talia.

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ah So this comes off the news that the Flash director, Andy Muschietti has left the project.

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No, just add Trombone over here.

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ah James Gunn crickets.

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James Gunn saying while promoting Peacemaker season two, that they were in no hurry to bring the Dark Knight into the DCU, which is cool.

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I think that's a great way.

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They should not be rushing another Dark Knight movie.

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And so I'm glad, I'm personally glad to hear that.

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uh Gunn has also teased a Wonder Woman script being finished.

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Draft one of Superman 2, which is being currently being called Man of Tomorrow, which was a really cool.

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I thought the post on Instagram was really cool.

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It's just like a picture of the script and it had like this uh side, like peripheral of like a human head and like the brain.

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It was really cool.

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um So it's more of the Charlton Comics lineup making their way into the DCU.

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So when asked about the characters like the original Blue Beetle, Captain Adam, Chris, the question.

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Sure.

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A gun told fans Chris is saying the question is the answer.

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A gun told fans they might be in luck.

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He also singled out Batwoman as a favorite suggesting that she could have a role in future projects.

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All I want to know is when do get to see the Bat?

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Was it the Batgirl film?

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Yeah, speaking of David Zaslav and him destroying things willy-nilly.

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Okay two things off the top I should point out Aaron when you were talking about the Charlton comics.

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Yes, of course I don't know if it's known among many listeners But I am a giant question fan the Dennis O'Neill speaking of Dennis O'Neill Dennis O'Neill and Denise Cohen from the 80s their single run together at one about 40 issues Is one of my all-time favorite runs along with Alan Moore's saga Swamp Thing number two I'm going to share something with you on our screen here and Aaron and I want you to tell the folks at home what you see Oh, son of a bitch.

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Go ahead, I just want I need you to tell people home.

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Let's be honest with them.

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We need to be humble here and be called when we're calling out.

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Yeah, I got a bad brain.

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Granted, this was like four months ago, everybody.

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So I mean, a lot of things have happened.

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babe, babe, babe, babe, babe.

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I don't even remember what I had for breakfast.

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Okay.

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Um, I gave Captain America, brave new world, four and half stars, which means, which means tomorrow when I'm flying to Alaska to see my parents, I will be, I'm going to go download Captain America, brave new world, and I'm going to watch it on the flight.

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And then I will re what do you, would it re analyze the like re What's the word Chris when you rate it?

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Rerate it.

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I'm going to re rate it.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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Actually, what you should do is go re-listen to our episode together because I think that was, and I've said this, I think to a couple of people who have like, I've pitched the show to them was like, if you want to, if you want to hear Aaron, I agree on something and just sort of nerd out.

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That's most episodes.

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If you want to hear Aaron, I really disagree about something and have a kind of a more, I think it's probably more of a entertaining conversation and how we disagree on our view on things.

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The flash and Captain America, brave new world.

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And I've been on record and I'm not shy about this Captain America, brave new world.

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is my least favorite MCU film of all time.

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And it's not even really that close.

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think before that it might've been Thor Dark World and that's fine.

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Like I watch it now and I'm like, that's not a bad movie.

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Actually, no, that's a lie.

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Quantumania was my least favorite before this and that is bad, but not as bad as Brave New World.

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I think think love and thunder is pretty fucking bad.

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oh Yeah, Love and Thunder is probably in the bottom five, probably third worst, more than likely.

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But anyway, moving on to the DCU.

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uh is exciting.

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know, again, as you said, I'm just glad that James Gunn and Peter Saffron and this entire team, they're not pushing things out.

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And we saw this with the the em Clayface script.

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You know, they went through a couple of versions of that.

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I really like Superman.

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I think it played a little safe in certain areas, but I think overall it does a lot of things right.

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And it made me feel things.

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And that's all I want from these movies.

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As I've said before, Aaron, it's punk rock to be nice, you know?

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that's, if that's the overarching view of a movie, especially one about Superman, that'll get me inherently just based on that.

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But I think there's a lot of other things that work.

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And also I should say that like, was secretly hoping that Andy Muschietti would move on from this project eventually because did not love, I think he did a Godzilla versus Kong film recently that we thought was fine, but only because it was Big Monk.

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punches big Liz.

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You know, like that's the fun of it all.

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Plus, big Mothra, Mothra.

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Like it did those things.

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That's right.

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And then he also did it part one and two and then he also did the flash as we talked about didn't love it.

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So yeah, anyway, we still have Robert Pattinson's Batman as well.

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just a script.

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Speaking of waiting on a script, we just had Matt Reeves apparently announced that the Batman 2 script is finished and they're going to start filming at the beginning of 2026.

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So still got a long way to wait for that one.

00:27:07.193 --> 00:27:10.054
That movie came out, I think, in 2022 or 2021.

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Been a long time.

00:27:11.607 --> 00:27:16.596
So anyway, Aaron, anything else to say about the DCU or the box office before we get into Alien Earth?

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I just want to, I want, just need more episodes of peacemaker, man.

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Yes, that is great.

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I'm excited to talk about Peacemaker here on the show here in a couple of weeks.

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It's been excellent.

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At the time of this recording, we're up to episode five and I haven't seen episode five, but folks have been teasing a giant reveal.

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So I won't spoil anything from that end because I haven't seen it, but it's amazing.

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So that'll do it for our News and Notes.

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Let's get into our review of Alien Earth.

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I'm excited to hear Aaron's thoughts on this series because...

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He is obviously the subject matter expert when it comes to all things xenomorphs and Yautja.

00:27:54.077 --> 00:27:57.137
And is there a particular name for the RoboCop?

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Is he like a, is there a model that he goes by?

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two and nine.

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is a big monster, big robots, right?

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Big, big gross.

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I don't remember what his was.

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uh Fuck, now I need to designate it while you play some theme music.

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All right, well, here we go.

00:28:16.430 --> 00:28:20.907
While Aaron looks that up, we're going to do a quick break and then we'll get into our review of Alien Earth.

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topic Alrighty, let's talk about Alien Earth.

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Spoilers ahead, if you have not seen Alien Earth, please go watch that.

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Go watch all eight episodes and then come back and listen to this conversation.

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Aaron, do you have a product name for Rebel Cop?

00:29:22.382 --> 00:29:23.497
Yeah, it's same thing I named mine.

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Unit 001.

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001.

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yeah, I guess that makes sense, right?

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Because he's the first of his kind.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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All right.

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Aaron, let's talk about the very first TV series for Alien, the Alien franchise, I should say, and also a continuation of this 20th century Disney-ified universe.

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Some folks love it.

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Some folks are not loving it.

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I'm curious to hear your thoughts because I said, as I said there a moment ago, you are a giant fan of Predator, Alien, a lot of the 20th century stuff from the 70s and 80s.

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So.

00:29:56.470 --> 00:29:58.439
Initial thoughts on Alien Earth.

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Wow.

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Just wow.

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Like I think they did an incredible job on it.

00:30:04.748 --> 00:30:05.078
Wow.

00:30:05.078 --> 00:30:05.617
Okay.

00:30:05.617 --> 00:30:10.364
You want to elaborate on that at all in terms of like what you really loved about it or?

00:30:12.126 --> 00:30:13.588
I'll go expand a little bit.

00:30:13.588 --> 00:30:13.828
right.

00:30:13.828 --> 00:30:16.253
ah want me to expand a little?

00:30:16.453 --> 00:30:17.054
Okay.

00:30:17.554 --> 00:30:21.253
No, like visually amazing, gorgeous.

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Story wise, I mean, what a way to broaden.

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And it's not even a finite universe.

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Like we already know.

00:30:28.933 --> 00:30:34.953
So it's already the Ridley Scott universe is already well known than in Canon.

00:30:34.953 --> 00:30:37.433
It includes the Blade Runner universe.

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It includes obviously Predator.

00:30:39.673 --> 00:30:42.432
It includes You know in the alien series.

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I think it actually might include diehard I not know that.

00:30:47.862 --> 00:30:53.426
Regardless, like for a fact, like this is already a very large universe.

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It's a very spread out property.

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And I just, the fact that they managed to do it in a television show and make it this intense is so amazing.

00:31:04.945 --> 00:31:12.852
Like as an alien fan, am pumped for the future of this time, of this, of anything alien, xenomorph, whatever.

00:31:13.323 --> 00:31:15.026
Let me ask you before I get into my initial thoughts.

00:31:15.026 --> 00:31:23.852
Did you watch it weekly or did you, cause I know you watched like the last couple episodes leading up to this review, but did you ever at any point like tune in for it?

00:31:23.852 --> 00:31:29.307
No, I, so I tried uh sitting down and watching the first episode.

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And then I just, I think I got distracted or I had to work or something.

00:31:32.731 --> 00:31:34.103
I couldn't finish the first episode.

00:31:34.103 --> 00:31:35.307
So I got like 30 minutes in.

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I'm just like, this is good.

00:31:37.116 --> 00:31:38.458
I can't wait to put, pick it back up.

00:31:38.458 --> 00:31:45.708
And I honestly didn't cause I had just too much going on, but I could see this being one that, that I much like I'm doing with peacemaker.

00:31:45.708 --> 00:31:48.670
Like I just, want, I would want more episodes.

00:31:48.670 --> 00:31:50.580
I already want a season two.

00:31:50.580 --> 00:32:01.386
Like I know it hasn't been confirmed, which is sad because there's so many other properties out there that get confirmed like season two and three before, you know, the current season is even over yet.

00:32:01.567 --> 00:32:09.923
So I want a season two, but even if they didn't, again, it's a very finite, uh like it's so good.

00:32:09.923 --> 00:32:12.544
They just were able to expand in such a way.

00:32:12.895 --> 00:32:13.326
Okay.

00:32:13.326 --> 00:32:13.686
All right.

00:32:13.686 --> 00:32:21.023
Well, I hope I'm not going to disappoint you with this response, but I think that it is fine.

00:32:21.346 --> 00:32:23.989
You hate good things.

00:32:25.070 --> 00:32:28.886
You are a fun killer, a hater of beautiful things.

00:32:28.886 --> 00:32:39.347
Run! uh No, because Olivia actually watched the first two episodes with me and she was actually the one that was like, I don't want to watch this anymore.

00:32:39.347 --> 00:32:42.219
Like I continued on after she left.

00:32:42.398 --> 00:32:43.750
And here's the thing, I agree with you.

00:32:43.750 --> 00:32:45.941
I think this is an excellent looking show.

00:32:45.941 --> 00:32:47.342
I think it's acted really well.

00:32:47.342 --> 00:32:57.126
uh I think that the expansion of this universe is something that folks really want, including myself and obviously including you as well.

00:32:57.528 --> 00:33:01.490
But I think what they did was they overthought it a little bit.

00:33:01.721 --> 00:33:05.403
And I'm thinking specifically of Noah Hawley, who we'll talk about here in a moment, the showrunner.

00:33:05.923 --> 00:33:17.900
What I think this show is trying to press on, which is, think what Ridley Scott and James Cameron both did with the first two films and so on, is that Aliens at its core is about class, right?

00:33:17.900 --> 00:33:32.196
It's about folks doing a thing because they just want to live a normal life, you know, because late stage, you know, the original late stage capitalism sort of horror story, not the original, know, one of one of the Originals, I'll say.

00:33:32.196 --> 00:33:35.589
uh What what are you about?

00:33:36.342 --> 00:33:37.473
I would like you to continue.

00:33:37.473 --> 00:33:39.807
I would like you to finish and then I have a response.

00:33:39.807 --> 00:33:41.420
Sir, I have a response.

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You're gonna ding your little red bell so you know that okay.

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Here's the thing.

00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:48.050
I think it lost it.

00:33:48.050 --> 00:33:49.172
It's slow.

00:33:49.291 --> 00:34:01.902
I think that the best episode is episode two and episode five episode two being we get sort of that rundown between the brother and sister team, is Wendy and Yeah, pretty much.

00:34:01.902 --> 00:34:20.630
Yeah, and also like they interrupt that party with a xenomorph in the background and all the things Yeah, and then episode five where we get basically just it's like a contained Alien movie into one episode where we get a basically a look at the team that and I'm spacing his name right now.

00:34:21.349 --> 00:34:27.150
Yeah, the Magnot I think is the name of the ship that he's on Magno.

00:34:27.150 --> 00:34:27.469
Thank you.

00:34:27.469 --> 00:34:28.690
Sorry, Magno.

00:34:28.969 --> 00:34:34.909
It shows basically the ship that he was on and then it sort of ends at the beginning of the first episode.

00:34:34.909 --> 00:34:36.086
So it brings us back.

00:34:36.086 --> 00:34:37.860
That's the ship in a bottle episode Yes.

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Yeah.

00:34:38.150 --> 00:34:38.302
Okay.

00:34:38.302 --> 00:34:38.512
Sorry.

00:34:38.512 --> 00:34:40.182
So episode two is not the one I was thinking of.

00:34:40.182 --> 00:34:47.318
I was thinking of the one where ah the xenomorph is basically chasing, uh, who is it?

00:34:47.318 --> 00:34:48.068
Joe.

00:34:48.068 --> 00:34:49.429
Joe and his team.

00:34:50.630 --> 00:34:51.150
Yes.

00:34:51.150 --> 00:34:54.813
So anyway, point being is that I don't hate this.

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I think I was more bored than annoyed and that's in some ways I feel like that's almost worse because I love the Alien franchise.

00:35:02.730 --> 00:35:06.101
I don't love as much as you do, but I do really, really enjoy it.

00:35:06.101 --> 00:35:10.922
And I just wanted them to do more xenomorphing, you know, like it's right there.

00:35:10.922 --> 00:35:12.983
Just do more, do more of that.

00:35:13.264 --> 00:35:21.326
But at the same time, I sort of understand why they're sort of keeping, you know, what do they, what do they call that in Footloose?

00:35:21.326 --> 00:35:27.268
They put baby in a corner a little bit with the xenomorph because you don't want to show them off too much because this is practical.

00:35:27.268 --> 00:35:28.057
And I think that's good.

00:35:28.057 --> 00:35:42.422
I like the fact that even if it doesn't always look incredible, I like the fact that it's mostly practical with some CGI here and there, but I my main, I'll hand it off to you, Aaron, because I feel like I've been talking a lot here, but I think my main problem is that they made a mistake.

00:35:42.422 --> 00:35:58.250
Noah Hawley and crew made a mistake by framing this show and centering the show on the synthetics and that whole crew and the five, you know, mainly two companies, but sort of the five companies that sort of run the world at that time.

00:35:58.349 --> 00:36:16.510
So I'm going to argue, I'm not going to argue a whole lot of it, because I 100 % agree episode five and episode two, two being above number five, or maybe even equal, because they're very different, but also obviously very much in the, obviously in the same show.

00:36:16.510 --> 00:36:18.610
So, but things happen.

00:36:19.150 --> 00:36:25.590
Definitely my two favorite episodes absolutely loved number two, simply because it did have that wow factor.

00:36:25.590 --> 00:36:27.469
It had the Zeno.

00:36:27.581 --> 00:36:35.112
the good time Xenomorph episode, and then the ship in the bottle episode where we get the background tomorrow.

00:36:35.112 --> 00:36:37.835
We find out about the saboteur.

00:36:39.246 --> 00:36:41.480
and have a saboteur among us.

00:36:41.498 --> 00:36:56.965
we actually get to see like, so one thing that's always been really, really cool about the Alien series is that whenever anybody's tried to remove a facehugger from a victim, from a host, they usually like cut it a little bit.

00:36:56.965 --> 00:36:59.072
They're like, oh, acid blood.

00:36:59.072 --> 00:36:59.384
no.

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And then they stop.

00:37:00.355 --> 00:37:02.896
Nobody ever fucking kept going.

00:37:02.896 --> 00:37:08.451
And in this show, we finally see the consequences of when you keep going.

00:37:08.451 --> 00:37:15.117
And that was That's one thing that the show did absolutely amazing was the sheer brutality at every level.

00:37:15.117 --> 00:37:27.458
And I'm gonna transition now from saying that the brutality at every level to back to your original point of this being about classism.

00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.822
And I don't necessarily think that that is the case.

00:37:31.822 --> 00:37:34.746
I'm gonna disagree with that classism being it.

00:37:34.958 --> 00:37:43.800
um To me, what the Aliens franchise has always been about is who is the monster?

00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.380
Who is the biggest monster in the room?

00:37:46.940 --> 00:37:49.842
And is it Weyland-Yutani?

00:37:49.902 --> 00:37:51.581
Is it the synthetic?

00:37:52.043 --> 00:37:53.753
Is it the the Android?

00:37:53.753 --> 00:37:57.023
Is it the xenomorph?

00:37:57.023 --> 00:37:58.405
is it the humans?

00:37:58.405 --> 00:38:03.005
So, and that's what this show did so well.

00:38:03.005 --> 00:38:03.596
Was it...

00:38:03.596 --> 00:38:19.318
really framed it by adding in the hybrids, by adding in the different creatures, by adding in, we, we had a chance throughout these episodes to really dive into who is the biggest and baddest monster in the universe.

00:38:19.318 --> 00:38:25.764
Because I mean, I mean, yeah, because there there's always a bigger fish.

00:38:26.085 --> 00:38:28.237
And that's the thing is there's always a creature.

00:38:28.237 --> 00:38:30.257
We've, and they even talk about it in the show.

00:38:30.257 --> 00:38:45.436
They even talk about how, you know, when when man became like when we when we raised ourselves up and became the the the peak of the food chain We didn't understand that there's still something bigger and badder out there.

00:38:45.436 --> 00:38:47.588
We just hadn't found it yet.

00:38:47.588 --> 00:39:05.920
And so now For years in the alien franchise We always thought that the aliens were the biggest even we thought the predators could barely stand up to the aliens Now we know that there are some bigger maybe not bigger, but there's some pattern motherfuckers out there in the universe and it is cool.

00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:13.052
And so we look at, and it's so funny that his name is, God, now I'm forgetting names.

00:39:13.052 --> 00:39:13.742
Hold on.

00:39:13.742 --> 00:39:18.985
They, know we're going to get into it, but Cavalier boy Cavalier because he's a monster.

00:39:18.985 --> 00:39:27.849
Um, the security team, they're monsters, each of the creatures, but they're not monsters because they were monsters.

00:39:27.849 --> 00:39:31.673
They're monsters because they were captured and brought to a place that they didn't understand.

00:39:31.673 --> 00:39:37.019
You know, so there's, there's like a lot more layers to this than just like classism, but there is that class.

00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:38.650
There's always been that classism level.

00:39:38.650 --> 00:39:41.465
Like what do you have to do to earn a living?

00:39:41.465 --> 00:39:42.570
Do you have to sell your soul?

00:39:42.570 --> 00:39:48.952
Do you have to sell the years of your life and travel 65 years in space like Mauro did and everybody else around you is dead.

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There is classism.

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When I think that that's best illustrated again with boy boy cavalier is that like the only reason he is able to do what he does in the series is because he has so much fucking money.

00:40:00.268 --> 00:40:06.731
Like if he didn't have all that money and apparently a pair of shoes, he would do not he would not be able to do anything.

00:40:06.731 --> 00:40:07.431
He's smart.

00:40:07.431 --> 00:40:11.851
But a lot of these characters in this show, actually, I almost lied there.

00:40:11.851 --> 00:40:18.126
I think one of my other big problems with this show and I think this is best illustrated in episode five, but I think overall and I think.

00:40:18.126 --> 00:40:22.246
The Lost Boys have a little bit of an excuse because they're kids inside.

00:40:22.246 --> 00:40:25.346
Like even though they're adults synthetically, they're kids inside.

00:40:25.565 --> 00:40:32.545
Every character in the show, besides Mauro and besides Timothy Ollifant's character who I'm spacing right now, it is Kirsch.

00:40:33.065 --> 00:40:35.485
Every other character is a dumb idiot.

00:40:35.826 --> 00:40:36.925
They're all dumb.

00:40:36.925 --> 00:40:41.766
And it really bothers me because, and again, I think this is best shown in episode five, that whole thing.

00:40:41.766 --> 00:40:50.978
And I think what it comes down to, and this sort of brings it back around to the classism of it all, is that in a dystopian, universe and a distant future.

00:40:51.298 --> 00:40:52.190
And I think we're seeing this.

00:40:52.190 --> 00:40:56.190
again, I don't want to get political here on the show, everybody, but what do they want?

00:40:56.190 --> 00:40:57.862
What do corporations want?

00:40:57.862 --> 00:40:59.623
What does capitalism want?

00:40:59.623 --> 00:41:03.503
They want people to be sick and stupid, and then they can do whatever they want to you.

00:41:03.503 --> 00:41:04.664
They can manipulate you.

00:41:04.664 --> 00:41:07.266
They can use you as pawns, all the things.

00:41:07.266 --> 00:41:13.447
And then we see that, I think, in the first alien, you know, like even the ship that they're on, the Nostromo, is a big piece of shit.

00:41:13.527 --> 00:41:15.208
Like they're all doing that.

00:41:15.208 --> 00:41:17.349
They're doing that mission because they have to.

00:41:17.349 --> 00:41:19.418
And then Aliens is about grunts.

00:41:19.418 --> 00:41:49.447
It's about people on the front line having to do this thing for a faceless corporation and it's you know, it's one of those things that I just think that that's sort of in my mind and again I totally agree what you're saying here in terms of like It's it's not just classism but to me that's always a central pillar with an alien show and I like the thought and I like the idea what I see If they're going to do something like what they did here with Noah Hawley and crew, and again, we'll talk about it more as we get into the review.

00:41:49.648 --> 00:41:55.989
But what I would have liked to have seen with Noah Hawley and sort of the expansion of this universe, maybe this is wishful thinking.

00:41:56.170 --> 00:42:02.150
But again, we get this uh mention of five giant corporations sort of ruling this world.

00:42:02.311 --> 00:42:09.123
I would have liked to see maybe like a Game of Thrones style of show where it's multiple pockets of characters.

00:42:09.123 --> 00:42:11.362
You've got five to seven characters over here.

00:42:11.362 --> 00:42:13.612
You've got five to seven characters over in Weyland, Yutani.

00:42:13.612 --> 00:42:15.443
We've got five to seven characters over at Prodigy.

00:42:15.443 --> 00:42:22.327
We've got five to seven characters, three to five characters inside this ship slash tower from episode one.

00:42:22.327 --> 00:42:24.588
And we all just, we just kind of bounce each episode.

00:42:24.588 --> 00:42:34.771
spend a, we spend 15 to 20 minutes with each of those characters and get to know them until at the very end, they all come together for a thing, you know, in the same way that Game of Thrones often did.

00:42:34.771 --> 00:42:36.112
Again, maybe that's wishful thinking.

00:42:36.112 --> 00:42:38.333
And I know not every show could be Game of Thrones.

00:42:38.333 --> 00:42:39.329
I get that.

00:42:39.329 --> 00:42:45.331
Well, you also have to look at the matter, like the source material, right?

00:42:45.331 --> 00:42:49.523
uh So I know that you have them there with you.

00:42:49.523 --> 00:42:50.494
I've read them as well.

00:42:50.494 --> 00:42:55.916
So there has already been a lot of alien earth, earth hive.

00:42:55.916 --> 00:42:58.697
There's been uh comics, there's been books.

00:42:58.697 --> 00:43:08.822
uh One of my favorite, favorite books of the alien book series, the novels, was one called Berserk, which is where I thought this show was gonna go.

00:43:09.134 --> 00:43:24.813
And in that storyline, they actually implant a, like much like the hybrids here, they implant like a human brain into a berserker, which is a machine that is just, it's shaped like an alien, but bigger and a little bit more monstrous.

00:43:24.813 --> 00:43:26.153
It's very heavily armored.

00:43:26.153 --> 00:43:29.653
And the whole idea is it's basically a smart bunker buster.

00:43:29.653 --> 00:43:34.014
So it goes into the hive because it puts out the same pheromones.

00:43:34.014 --> 00:43:37.713
It puts out the same like tones, everything that it can go into a hive.

00:43:37.713 --> 00:43:39.072
can drop a bomb.

00:43:39.072 --> 00:43:46.465
it can, it can, rescue if there's possibly anybody alive, it could research all this stuff comes back out, nuke it.

00:43:46.465 --> 00:43:47.347
We're good.

00:43:47.347 --> 00:43:50.829
And then they just put it back into stasis and then they wake it at the next time.

00:43:50.829 --> 00:43:55.641
And so obviously completely inhumane, but still like, it's just a cool book, man.

00:43:55.641 --> 00:43:58.413
If you ever get a chance, alien berserker, it's amazing.

00:43:58.413 --> 00:44:03.233
uh I don't think Waylon Yutani is really worried about being humane.

00:44:03.356 --> 00:44:04.445
not at all.

00:44:04.806 --> 00:44:16.789
but like, and that's a cool thing, but that's a cool thing about the, the, the novels as well as you get exactly what you're asking for there is you get these different characters that are all associated with earth or wherever they're located.

00:44:16.789 --> 00:44:23.461
Music of the Spears or music of the spheres is about a, a, um, what do call it?

00:44:23.461 --> 00:44:31.594
Like a musician, a, a, uh, a conductor who wants to create his greatest symphony symphony.

00:44:31.724 --> 00:44:34.514
And he believes the only way is to use aliens.

00:44:34.855 --> 00:44:36.675
There's another book that's amazing.

00:44:36.675 --> 00:44:48.300
it talks about, the jelly that the aliens like use to like the queen mains mainly, but the queen uses to like adhere and make like walls and do all this stuff.

00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:52.753
It's used as a recreational drug and it's called royal jelly.

00:44:52.753 --> 00:44:53.902
And that's like a whole different.

00:44:53.902 --> 00:45:18.516
So there is a massive universe out there, but I think when we're talking about this, I read an article about from, you know, I believe it was with Noah Hawley and it was talking about how the reason that this is so like kind of condensed into this smaller, because this particular season is about like boundaries and being trapped in these spaces and then breaking free.

00:45:18.516 --> 00:45:25.826
Because if you watch the show as it's being put out, first the aliens, the humans, they're on a ship, they're in containment.

00:45:25.826 --> 00:45:30.739
And then they break out and they announced, you know, on, on earth, but then they're kind of confined still in this ship.

00:45:30.739 --> 00:45:32.170
And then they go to an island.

00:45:32.170 --> 00:45:35.813
And now at the end of the show, spoiler alert, they're free on this island.

00:45:35.813 --> 00:45:45.199
So the next series, the next season potentially, or whatever series we go into next is going to have bigger and better boundaries to, to allow for more exploration.

00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:48.552
So you're looking, you're talking about like a growing universe here.

00:45:48.552 --> 00:45:50.954
So I look forward to what is going to be next.

00:45:50.954 --> 00:45:58.797
I just hope it's going like something is going to happen because again, We get so many other properties that get greenlit for more seasons before the first one even ends.

00:45:58.797 --> 00:46:00.481
And we haven't seen that yet.

00:46:00.481 --> 00:46:00.811
Yeah.

00:46:00.811 --> 00:46:02.643
I think it, make no mistake.

00:46:02.643 --> 00:46:07.625
mean, again, my sort of Luke warmness to the series doesn't hide the fact that I want more of this.

00:46:07.625 --> 00:46:13.137
I think that, I think Noah Hawley and crew made a very beautiful looking series.

00:46:13.137 --> 00:46:15.907
And I think the sound works, the acting's great.

00:46:16.409 --> 00:46:23.411
I'm like, I almost like him being emotionally manipulated at the beginning of each episode to think I'm liking this.

00:46:23.411 --> 00:46:24.711
Like I'm really enjoying this.

00:46:24.711 --> 00:46:28.824
Like from the, oh, from the intro on I'm like, my gosh.

00:46:28.824 --> 00:46:29.583
This looks awesome.

00:46:29.583 --> 00:46:31.297
Like I'm so happy that this is a thing.

00:46:31.297 --> 00:46:32.365
And then it gets into the episode.

00:46:32.365 --> 00:46:33.840
I'm like, wait, hold on.

00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:34.797
I'm bored.

00:46:34.797 --> 00:46:36.248
So that's the one thing I was going to bring up.

00:46:36.248 --> 00:46:42.760
I think that's really one of the one of the few things that I didn't like about the intro to every single episode was like a recap.

00:46:43.460 --> 00:46:47.501
I didn't I didn't necessarily like I'm not against it, but it wasn't like my favorite thing.

00:46:47.501 --> 00:46:48.661
Sure.

00:46:48.661 --> 00:46:58.614
But how about we get into like some of the details and then like I was going to say like the the synopsis and some of these other things, because again, I love I love this back and forth.

00:46:58.614 --> 00:47:02.085
And I don't mean to take over at all on this episode.

00:47:02.092 --> 00:47:03.237
us off at the knees Aaron here.

00:47:03.237 --> 00:47:04.429
I'm kidding.

00:47:04.967 --> 00:47:06.750
Give us a synopsis.

00:47:06.750 --> 00:47:23.969
Okay, so when the mysterious deep space research vessel the USCSS Magno uh crash lands on Earth Wendy and a ragtag group of tactical soldiers makes a make a fateful discovery that puts them face to face with the planet's greatest threat Now I want to go back.

00:47:23.969 --> 00:47:28.320
You said something earlier about you said a couple of times actually about how you wish it had been green lit from the beginning.

00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.161
And I've I've actually heard uh season two being green lit.

00:47:31.161 --> 00:47:35.253
I should say I've heard Noah Holly talk about this and he says that the team is ready.

00:47:35.253 --> 00:47:40.414
There's a script already written for season two and that if the fans want it, it'll happen.

00:47:40.414 --> 00:47:40.724
Yeah.

00:47:40.724 --> 00:47:43.476
Curious because I very similar to me.

00:47:43.476 --> 00:47:46.166
And I'm not saying that I'm like the voice of public opinion here.

00:47:46.166 --> 00:47:51.608
I'm not the representative, but it seems like the masses are pretty lukewarm overall.

00:47:51.608 --> 00:47:52.590
That's what I've seen.

00:47:52.590 --> 00:48:07.969
I could just, it could be my algorithm, but I think part of reason why they haven't green lit this thing for season two already is because with a budget of $250 million within its first weekend, Alien Earth is currently the most expensive show to ever broadcast on American cable television.

00:48:07.969 --> 00:48:13.929
That's crazy to think that an eight episode series costs $250 million to make.

00:48:13.929 --> 00:48:15.510
You know, it's wild.

00:48:15.822 --> 00:48:19.782
It's like this, but this is this could have been a film.

00:48:19.782 --> 00:48:21.681
This could look like a movie.

00:48:21.681 --> 00:48:24.121
It looks like it could have been in the theaters.

00:48:24.322 --> 00:48:25.842
It's brutal.

00:48:27.282 --> 00:48:29.081
It's suspenseful.

00:48:29.081 --> 00:48:35.422
It's I mean, so on Rotten Tomatoes, this is what I was going to bring up when you said that Rotten Tomatoes, has a 93%, which is pretty fucking good.

00:48:36.461 --> 00:48:37.581
Let me look that up.

00:48:37.581 --> 00:48:40.961
IMDB is a 7.4, but let's see.

00:48:42.282 --> 00:48:45.561
So Tomato Meter is 93%.

00:48:45.952 --> 00:48:49.318
And then popcorn popcorn meter is 67.

00:48:49.550 --> 00:48:50.610
There you go.

00:48:50.610 --> 00:48:52.369
So audience is at 67.

00:48:52.369 --> 00:48:53.789
Critically, it is doing well.

00:48:53.789 --> 00:48:55.550
And I get it because it looks great.

00:48:55.730 --> 00:48:57.429
The fundamentals are there.

00:48:57.429 --> 00:49:01.469
Like this show is masterfully shot and there are some really incredible scenes.

00:49:01.469 --> 00:49:08.969
And I think even when you can very clearly see that at CGI, I think the mixture of practical and CGI is used really, really well.

00:49:08.969 --> 00:49:12.590
think, again, I can't say it enough and I think you've said it a few times as well.

00:49:12.590 --> 00:49:13.809
Show looks great.

00:49:13.809 --> 00:49:17.309
It's just that it felt a little hollow at points and I was a little bummed by that.

00:49:17.309 --> 00:49:17.943
Honestly.

00:49:17.943 --> 00:49:23.737
When you were talking a moment ago about sort of the expansion of the series and how there's a lot more that you want to see from it.

00:49:24.237 --> 00:49:26.769
I think that this series could have really benefited from being down.

00:49:26.769 --> 00:49:28.940
It could be cut down to like six episodes.

00:49:29.041 --> 00:49:31.123
I think six episodes would have been a perfect amount.

00:49:31.123 --> 00:49:33.503
I think episodes one and two.

00:49:34.065 --> 00:49:35.025
One is pretty good.

00:49:35.025 --> 00:49:36.505
Two is very good.

00:49:36.686 --> 00:49:39.128
Three and four are pretty boring.

00:49:39.248 --> 00:49:40.748
Five is great.

00:49:41.289 --> 00:49:44.731
Six and seven and then eventually into the finale with eight.

00:49:44.731 --> 00:49:46.612
I think six and seven are boring.

00:49:46.612 --> 00:49:48.063
Eight is fine.

00:49:48.108 --> 00:49:54.021
And I think if you talk to most people, at least again, I'm looking at this from a very broad sense.

00:49:54.021 --> 00:49:56.057
People are really bummed out about that finale.

00:49:56.057 --> 00:49:57.978
And we'll talk about why here in just a moment.

00:49:57.978 --> 00:50:00.025
Aaron, I want you to talk about Sigourney Weaver.

00:50:00.025 --> 00:50:03.416
Of course, she's not in this at all anywhere, but she does have opinions.

00:50:03.416 --> 00:50:06.579
And I want you to talk about it you love her more than I think anyone in the world.

00:50:06.579 --> 00:50:08.302
Is it more than anybody in the world, Aaron?

00:50:08.302 --> 00:50:09.242
Probably not anybody.

00:50:09.242 --> 00:50:10.284
I mean, she's married.

00:50:10.284 --> 00:50:14.753
mean, I was never given the opportunity, but I didn't get my shot.

00:50:14.753 --> 00:50:15.927
You know, it's my fault.

00:50:15.927 --> 00:50:16.969
My bad.

00:50:18.322 --> 00:50:19.530
I got to live with it.

00:50:20.192 --> 00:50:22.634
So Courtney Weaver has praised the series.

00:50:22.673 --> 00:50:30.661
She said what I admire about it is the scope is so much more profound than just an alien movie, which I I have thoughts on that statement.

00:50:30.661 --> 00:50:34.963
But regardless, it's about our world and what's dominating the world in 100 years.

00:50:34.963 --> 00:50:36.885
And to me, it's right on.

00:50:37.422 --> 00:50:38.815
Okay, interesting.

00:50:38.815 --> 00:50:40.221
What were your thoughts on that?

00:50:40.427 --> 00:50:49.947
My thought is that, you know, again, that I think that, you know, if her saying that, I think she's looking at the alien movie again, just very simplistically, like over simplistically.

00:50:49.947 --> 00:50:56.853
I can understand you give more context to a film with its sequels and with its spin-offs.

00:50:56.853 --> 00:51:02.197
And I can understand people maybe not seeing that for what it was when you first watch it.

00:51:02.197 --> 00:51:13.161
But at the same time, when I go back and I think about it, again, I say like, my thoughts on the alien franchise are who is the biggest monster in the room.

00:51:13.661 --> 00:51:29.572
right now, like even going back to the first one, cause you had, God damn, I forgot the name of the, of the synthetic, from the first film and you know, no Bishop is number is in this is alien aliens.

00:51:29.572 --> 00:51:33.451
oh man, I want to see.

00:51:33.451 --> 00:51:35.355
is in Prometheus and Alien Covenant.

00:51:35.355 --> 00:51:40.744
You've got Bishop and Aliens and then you have Paul.

00:51:40.887 --> 00:51:42.148
Ash, Yeah.

00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:51.724
So, so again, in the first Alien film, you don't suspect Ash being evil.

00:51:51.724 --> 00:51:55.246
just, you just anticipate him being an Android, but he is really evil.

00:51:55.246 --> 00:52:08.878
But that's also because of the orders given to him through the mother, uh, you know, program, which controls the ship, which is at the end of the day controlled by programming and orders from Weyland-Yutani.

00:52:08.878 --> 00:52:09.829
acknowledge.

00:52:10.065 --> 00:52:10.746
Yeah.

00:52:10.746 --> 00:52:16.577
So you're going to have multiple iterations, multiple levels of who is the monster, who is the biggest monster.

00:52:16.577 --> 00:52:33.494
Cause then obviously you add in, uh, you know, the xenomorph, then if we look at this, so we'll take episode five, for instance, episode five, we think that again, Mauro is the biggest villain.

00:52:33.550 --> 00:52:36.769
But we also know that the aliens, the creatures are loose on board.

00:52:36.769 --> 00:52:43.030
But if you remember from back in the first episode, there's that creepy Asian dude that's just like standing over the women.

00:52:43.190 --> 00:52:55.769
And that right there is a telltale sign that we're again, we're asking who is the biggest monster in the room because however many years in the future, a hundred years in the future, now you still have a predatory creeper on a ship.

00:52:55.829 --> 00:52:57.630
Why was he chosen to be there?

00:52:57.630 --> 00:52:59.230
Why is he allowed to act like that?

00:52:59.230 --> 00:53:00.250
He's part of the crew.

00:53:00.250 --> 00:53:00.942
should be.

00:53:00.942 --> 00:53:02.403
put into captivity or something.

00:53:02.403 --> 00:53:07.619
But like, that's the thing is we always have to wonder who is the biggest monster in the room.

00:53:07.619 --> 00:53:13.326
And again, I don't, think that Sigourney Weaver's look at the original one in this statement is too simplistic.

00:53:13.326 --> 00:53:25.846
Well, I will, I'll go back to what I said earlier is that when we'll, and you Tony is putting these crews together to do a thing, whatever that thing might be, they are picking, you know, folks that'll, yeah.

00:53:25.846 --> 00:53:32.902
It's people that have a lot to lose and a lot to gain and they're willing to do some pretty morally ambiguous things like.

00:53:32.902 --> 00:53:35.601
playing chess man while the humans are playing checkers.

00:53:35.601 --> 00:53:42.681
And I loved how you put that they're that the five, the five big corporations are, they're doing what I mean, we're already seeing it right now.

00:53:42.681 --> 00:53:47.121
They're dumbing down the population in order to maintain control.

00:53:47.121 --> 00:53:48.641
And that's going to keep happening.

00:53:48.641 --> 00:53:49.661
Yeah.

00:53:49.661 --> 00:53:50.983
Let's get into the timeline here.

00:53:50.983 --> 00:53:58.585
So Alien Earth takes place during 2020 or sorry, 2120, excuse me, uh 100 years after the pandemic.

00:53:58.585 --> 00:54:03.599
uh The century uh anniversary of the pandemic.

00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:04.429
Yay.

00:54:04.429 --> 00:54:05.590
uh Two years.

00:54:05.590 --> 00:54:10.442
This is two years before the Alien, the first film from 1979, in 2122.

00:54:10.442 --> 00:54:13.333
uh 17 years before Alien Isolation, the video game.

00:54:13.333 --> 00:54:14.293
Did you ever play that, Aaron?

00:54:14.293 --> 00:54:15.394
Alien Isolation.

00:54:15.394 --> 00:54:15.746
yes.

00:54:15.746 --> 00:54:16.699
I've heard it's amazing.

00:54:16.699 --> 00:54:24.398
That stars Ripley's daughter, who now works for Weyland-Yutani and is trying to find a way to go find her mom.

00:54:24.398 --> 00:54:25.597
So I've heard it's amazing.

00:54:25.597 --> 00:54:32.998
And I know we've we got a couple of sort of hints at the next film that we see 22 years before Alien Earth, which is Alien Romulus.

00:54:32.998 --> 00:54:36.378
We see a couple of winks and nods to the video game.

00:54:36.378 --> 00:54:39.797
I think that's something that I'm his name.

00:54:39.797 --> 00:54:40.898
Who's the director?

00:54:42.217 --> 00:54:44.097
No, of Alien Romulus.

00:54:44.297 --> 00:54:45.538
One second.

00:54:46.538 --> 00:54:46.978
Fede Alvarez.

00:54:46.978 --> 00:54:47.697
Yeah, thank you.

00:54:47.697 --> 00:55:03.722
I think that's something that Fede Alvarez has done really well, not just with Alien, but also with the Evil Dead franchise, where he will basically take small little tidbits from multiple factions within a fandom and sort of integrate it into whatever remake he's making at the time in a very like, I think subtle way.

00:55:03.942 --> 00:55:06.864
This takes place 59 years before Aliens.

00:55:06.864 --> 00:55:12.545
Aaron, let me ask you real quick, and we might talk about this later, but Alien or Aliens?

00:55:16.213 --> 00:55:18.257
two very different films.

00:55:18.681 --> 00:55:20.264
Obviously aliens.

00:55:21.228 --> 00:55:22.838
It's an easy to say game over.

00:55:22.838 --> 00:55:24.208
And game over, man.

00:55:24.208 --> 00:55:24.778
Game over.

00:55:24.778 --> 00:55:27.400
ah my gosh.

00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:28.010
This is tough.

00:55:28.010 --> 00:55:29.521
I'm going to say alien.

00:55:29.521 --> 00:55:32.541
I'm wearing an alien shirt right now.

00:55:32.541 --> 00:55:33.442
Yeah, it's tough, though.

00:55:33.442 --> 00:55:34.583
Those are both.

00:55:34.663 --> 00:55:40.744
Imagine a franchise having two of the greatest movies in completely separate genres.

00:55:40.864 --> 00:55:43.025
Alien, one of the greatest horror films of all time.

00:55:43.025 --> 00:55:46.307
Aliens, one of the greatest action films, action films of all time.

00:55:46.307 --> 00:55:47.487
It's crazy.

00:55:47.527 --> 00:55:52.590
And then 261 years before Alien Resurrection from 1997.

00:55:52.590 --> 00:56:04.230
Now, showrunner Noah Hawley has mentioned that the events of Prometheus, year 2093, and Alien Covenant, year 2104, are going to be largely ignored.

00:56:04.230 --> 00:56:08.590
I'm guessing that's them saying they're doing like the James Gunn thing.

00:56:08.590 --> 00:56:14.250
They're like, if it's not mentioned going forward, it's not canon, which makes things really fucking confusing.

00:56:14.590 --> 00:56:15.735
You know?

00:56:15.735 --> 00:56:21.367
So by the way, I know this is a weird, weird, not even a fucking segue, man.

00:56:21.367 --> 00:56:23.507
This is just a weird like offshoot of a conversation.

00:56:23.507 --> 00:56:34.532
So we were talking about how, do you remember we were talking about uh Superman and how James Gunn and some of these people were saying what was gonna be canon from before, like Suicide Squad, et cetera?

00:56:34.532 --> 00:56:43.126
uh So they said everything that happens in Peacemaker season two is like, it will be brought up if it's canon.

00:56:43.126 --> 00:56:48.577
So in Peace Baker season two, they actually bring up fighting a giant starfish.

00:56:48.820 --> 00:56:51.679
And so that means that Suicide Squad was canon.

00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:59.673
Starro is and Suicide Squad is canon, but certain parts of Peacemaker season one are not canon.

00:57:00.135 --> 00:57:00.974
That's what I'm talking about.

00:57:00.974 --> 00:57:04.257
That's how fucking annoying this canon stuff is.

00:57:04.257 --> 00:57:05.958
Yeah, we've done.

00:57:06.237 --> 00:57:09.469
Yeah, it's one those things where like canon should be written in a pencil, not in a marker.

00:57:09.469 --> 00:57:13.842
So we shouldn't get so worked up about it if things aren't canon and all that stuff.

00:57:13.842 --> 00:57:19.956
But like when you're messing with a franchise like Alien and I think Predator sort of falls into the same category is like.

00:57:20.034 --> 00:57:30.101
We kind of need to, if we're talking about years and if we're referencing things, if we're referencing things from alien resurrection, then resurrection should be canon.

00:57:30.101 --> 00:57:38.365
You can't pick and choose things, you know, because like Romulus, for instance, is canon and we're getting engineers, but yet Prometheus is not canon.

00:57:38.567 --> 00:57:39.507
You know what mean?

00:57:39.507 --> 00:57:40.268
That's what I'm talking.

00:57:40.268 --> 00:57:40.829
It's kind of weird.

00:57:40.829 --> 00:57:43.559
Anyway, Aaron, go on and talk about Noah Holley here.

00:57:44.653 --> 00:57:45.614
Let's see.

00:57:45.813 --> 00:57:51.034
So Holly is best known for creating, writing and often directing for FX.

00:57:51.153 --> 00:57:57.373
They did Fargo 2114 to 2024, which I didn't, I didn't, I saw the movie, never saw the show.

00:57:57.373 --> 00:58:02.134
And then Legion, which I wanted to see 2017 to 2019.

00:58:02.134 --> 00:58:05.514
That's the, that's the one that's like a Marvel like pretty.

00:58:05.514 --> 00:58:05.987
Yeah.

00:58:05.987 --> 00:58:14.250
it's about Professor X's son, Legion, who basically has multiple, and I don't think this is the correct term anymore, basically multiple personalities.

00:58:14.250 --> 00:58:22.664
And depending on which personality he's currently living in, whichever consciousness is in control, it comes with a whole set of powers and all types of shit.

00:58:22.896 --> 00:58:24.217
What is it called?

00:58:24.938 --> 00:58:26.536
Disassociative identity or no?

00:58:26.536 --> 00:58:27.288
is it?

00:58:27.288 --> 00:58:29.711
Yeah, basically.

00:58:29.918 --> 00:58:30.961
Keep on there.

00:58:31.054 --> 00:58:42.492
And then Holly confirmed that if Alien Earth is a hit, he sees a day, perhaps several seasons down the road when events might directly connect to the events of Alien.

00:58:42.766 --> 00:58:43.965
That makes sense, right?

00:58:43.965 --> 00:58:45.826
I mean, again, this only takes place.

00:58:45.826 --> 00:58:46.365
What is this?

00:58:46.365 --> 00:58:48.746
Two years before alien.

00:58:49.005 --> 00:58:50.126
So definitely.

00:58:50.126 --> 00:58:50.985
And it's interesting.

00:58:50.985 --> 00:58:58.166
I'm kind of curious if we're seeing all these different versions of synthetic folks and we'll talk about here in just a moment.

00:58:58.166 --> 00:58:59.166
We have, of course, have this.

00:58:59.166 --> 00:59:00.505
I'll just talk about now cyborgs.

00:59:00.505 --> 00:59:03.626
These are cybernetic cybernetic enhanced humans.

00:59:03.626 --> 00:59:07.505
We have synthetics or sense artificially intelligent beings.

00:59:07.505 --> 00:59:09.286
So fully mechanized.

00:59:09.286 --> 00:59:13.510
And then we have synthetics being downloaded with a human consciousness, that's a hybrid.

00:59:14.478 --> 00:59:24.246
Not to be confused with, I'm saying cybernetically enhanced like cyborgs, cyborgs can still be almost completely human with a human brain.

00:59:24.766 --> 00:59:34.324
like they can, and obviously you can also have like a uh robot or a machine, a synthetic uh brain that has like human parts to it, et cetera.

00:59:34.324 --> 00:59:37.885
like cyborgs are a fucking can of worms.

00:59:37.885 --> 00:59:38.195
Yeah.

00:59:38.195 --> 00:59:48.835
And that's kind of what I'm wondering about is that if we're getting all these different offshoots of artificial intelligence or otherwise, why is it that in future?

00:59:48.835 --> 00:59:59.273
And again, this is sort of nitpicking here because we're talking to the movie, talk about a movie that came out, you know, a half a decade ago with alien, but like, why are we only seeing sense?

00:59:59.273 --> 01:00:00.554
We're not seeing the cyborgs.

01:00:00.554 --> 01:00:01.596
We're not seeing the hybrids.

01:00:01.596 --> 01:00:03.237
We're just seeing sense, right?

01:00:03.237 --> 01:00:08.474
Like, so something must happen in between these two years where There are no more cyborgs.

01:00:08.474 --> 01:00:09.784
There are no more hybrids.

01:00:09.784 --> 01:00:11.387
It is just sense going forward.

01:00:11.387 --> 01:00:18.335
Weil and Utah because again, spoilers for the end of this season, but like the the hybrids are in control here.

01:00:18.335 --> 01:00:21.719
Like they're the ones running the ship going forward.

01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:23.242
Is it are they hype like is.

01:00:23.242 --> 01:00:25.474
Those are the sense.

01:00:25.474 --> 01:00:26.101
OK, sorry.

01:00:26.101 --> 01:00:27.021
since ash.

01:00:27.021 --> 01:00:29.304
uh Damn it.

01:00:29.304 --> 01:00:30.244
How do I do this?

01:00:30.244 --> 01:00:33.038
Ash Bishop and David.

01:00:33.038 --> 01:00:33.518
David.

01:00:33.518 --> 01:00:35.458
Yeah, those are all just straight up.

01:00:35.458 --> 01:00:38.762
But David's not even in Canon because Prometheus and alien covenant are to thank.

01:00:38.762 --> 01:00:40.202
yeah.

01:00:40.704 --> 01:00:46.289
Aaron, this, I want to leave this section for you because this is what you sort of nerd out on.

01:00:46.289 --> 01:00:49.523
Talk a little bit about the, new, the new morph in this.

01:00:49.523 --> 01:00:57.835
So if you ever want to look back into, you know, the design, the creation of the xenomorph, you want to look back into H.R.

01:00:57.835 --> 01:01:05.342
Geiger, who was the original designer of the ships, the xenomorphs itself.

01:01:05.663 --> 01:01:06.864
So he was.

01:01:07.664 --> 01:01:10.206
Yeah, the overall aesthetic of it all.

01:01:10.206 --> 01:01:15.969
He was a I'm just gonna say he was a weird, weird dude, very, very.

01:01:18.217 --> 01:01:18.717
do you call it?

01:01:18.717 --> 01:01:36.318
Like cyber, like cyber sexuality, like very, uh, bio digital or not bio, but bio bioelectric, just it's, it's like, so I went to, I went to the museum in, know, in Sweden, Switzerland, excuse me, Switzerland, where he was, where he's from.

01:01:36.318 --> 01:01:38.155
Um, and it had like, there's a room.

01:01:38.155 --> 01:01:40.744
So, uh, here's the interesting thing about him.

01:01:40.744 --> 01:01:41.155
Okay.

01:01:41.155 --> 01:01:48.516
So like in Europe, there's like boobs on TV, you know, there's a joke about like how they're so open with sexuality.

01:01:48.516 --> 01:01:51.327
Like they're very, again, modern with sexuality.

01:01:51.327 --> 01:01:53.307
There's you watch TV at night.

01:01:53.307 --> 01:01:55.338
There's going to be boobs, sex, whatever.

01:01:56.438 --> 01:01:57.670
Because they're more open to it.

01:01:57.670 --> 01:01:58.286
They're more understanding.

01:01:58.286 --> 01:02:02.391
They're not so like, again, cavalier about it or just like, you know, held back about it.

01:02:02.391 --> 01:02:05.342
It's not so taboo in the United States as in the United States.

01:02:05.822 --> 01:02:18.626
There's a room in that museum of Geiger stuff, drawings and art that is it's it's it's sheltered, shuttered off from so kids can't go in there.

01:02:18.626 --> 01:02:31.201
Like it is curtain and closed off so kids can like that's how into this like cybernetic sexuality like, you know, again, human reproductive systems mixed with machinery like all of that.

01:02:31.201 --> 01:02:32.862
So interesting.

01:02:32.862 --> 01:02:33.762
Yeah.

01:02:33.862 --> 01:02:34.782
You know, sorry, real quick.

01:02:34.782 --> 01:02:46.251
I just want to say that like it's interesting that and I knew this about other countries and such that like America we are very weird about sex and like the the male the human body we're obsessed with it, but yet we're ashamed by it at the same time.

01:02:46.251 --> 01:02:54.907
And yeah, like we're so okay with showing kids just absolute fucking gnarly violence all the time.

01:02:54.907 --> 01:02:58.579
Like their cell phones and like social media is littered.

01:02:58.579 --> 01:03:03.277
If a 10 year old has Twitter right now, they are fucking emotionally damaged forever.

01:03:03.277 --> 01:03:11.518
Like I've got onto Twitter randomly a couple of times here, you know, here in the last couple of months to like look at a creator's profile for an interview or whatever.

01:03:11.518 --> 01:03:15.217
And you just scroll that thing as like a with no username.

01:03:15.217 --> 01:03:21.197
And it's just, you're just watching the war in Gaza and you're watching like people blowing up in car crash.

01:03:21.197 --> 01:03:24.797
Like it's, it is like hyper realized violence in real time.

01:03:24.797 --> 01:03:31.358
And yet we still require folks to be 18 to go see an R rated film in 2025.

01:03:31.358 --> 01:03:32.340
It's crazy.

01:03:32.340 --> 01:03:35.150
to click 18 and older or 21 and older to watch porn.

01:03:35.150 --> 01:03:35.891
It's insane.

01:03:35.891 --> 01:03:39.715
mean, know, porn is sex because it's not that's that's an act too.

01:03:39.715 --> 01:03:56.427
But and that that's also a whole nother chestnut of like craziness that we what I'm saying, what I'm saying is like kids, parents will buy GTA, whatever for their kids, where you can get a prostitute to come to your car and it'll make the, bouncing squeaking shocks.

01:03:56.427 --> 01:03:59.559
And then they get out and then you run them over so you can get your money back.

01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:07.635
You know, like that's, that's some shit that kids are allowed to see, but we can't have boobs in a movie or they can't, you can't go and order, you know, it's just, it's crazy.

01:04:07.635 --> 01:04:08.164
We could go into it.

01:04:08.164 --> 01:04:09.931
We could go into a much deeper.

01:04:09.931 --> 01:04:10.574
We're fucked.

01:04:10.574 --> 01:04:12.329
America is fucked, everybody.

01:04:12.675 --> 01:04:20.260
But anyways, regarding the xenomorph's new design, uh Holly explained that primarily quadruple stance was chosen.

01:04:20.260 --> 01:04:34.972
So quadruple him being down on all fours due to the actor not being seven feet tall like the original suit was uh the roach brown crustacean like exoskeleton because it was deemed more natural than the typical jet black uh or dark blue schedule skeletal rib cage.

01:04:34.972 --> 01:04:45.320
If you watch Alien 3, Aliens 3, that creature, that xenomorph is all the time on all fours, he is more of a brownish color.

01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:50.405
And that's because he is the host of that xenomorph was a dog.

01:04:50.965 --> 01:04:55.949
so dog like the xenomorph will always take primary characteristics from its host body.

01:04:55.949 --> 01:04:57.481
um Let's see.

01:04:57.481 --> 01:05:14.914
He felt the blue skeletal rib cage was too human and the mouth full of blunted crushing teeth because he felt, or they gave it a mouth full of blunted crushing teeth because they felt it was scarier than fangs, which I don't necessarily agree with, but uh Yeah, it didn't bother me that they weren't that like it just it was weird, but it didn't really bother me.

01:05:14.914 --> 01:05:15.855
You know, it's interesting.

01:05:15.855 --> 01:05:23.641
And I love this aspect of the alien franchise is that as you said, they sort of take different attributes.

01:05:23.641 --> 01:05:25.057
Let's not get into resurrection.

01:05:25.057 --> 01:05:25.331
All right.

01:05:25.331 --> 01:05:27.074
Let's just bypass whatever that monster was.

01:05:27.074 --> 01:05:29.315
Mama, mama, mama.

01:05:29.315 --> 01:05:31.788
It looked like that monster for fucking barbarian.

01:05:31.788 --> 01:05:38.353
But like the thing is, is they take the, they take certain attributes from whatever the chest burst or burst out of.

01:05:38.353 --> 01:05:39.014
Right.

01:05:39.014 --> 01:05:40.784
And I'm curious.

01:05:40.784 --> 01:05:50.190
One thing I've never found out and I've always wanted to know is why xenomorphs have like the metallic teeth and sometimes their goal even.

01:05:50.190 --> 01:05:51.070
Do you know why that is?

01:05:51.070 --> 01:05:53.889
Like why do they have like metallic teeth?

01:05:53.889 --> 01:05:58.054
I'm sure someone listening to this is probably yelling at us through their radio, but like...

01:05:58.775 --> 01:06:02.487
Well, to be honest, they don't really explain.

01:06:02.487 --> 01:06:12.811
mean, I don't really think they've ever explained why their teeth are like that, but I will just say the best explanation that I've ever seen and continues to be the thing is the same thing that we got from Prometheus and Covenant.

01:06:12.811 --> 01:06:15.233
It's been said many times before, not just in those.

01:06:15.233 --> 01:06:21.985
So it is a canon idea that the alien, the xenomorph, ah, fuck, what is it?

01:06:21.985 --> 01:06:27.534
They have their own designation, species designation, but they are genetically engineered.

01:06:27.534 --> 01:06:33.594
They are just like in covenant and Prometheus, they were genetically designed to be weapons, to be bio weapons.

01:06:33.594 --> 01:06:39.293
And so obviously like that's why they have the acidic blood no matter what creature they come out with.

01:06:39.293 --> 01:06:50.034
They have, it's like a platinum almost like silver teeth is what they'll have because they obviously have to be able to bite through like whatever.

01:06:50.673 --> 01:06:51.219
So yeah.

01:06:51.219 --> 01:06:54.425
thought it was in Romulus that they had gold teeth, I could be wrong.

01:06:54.425 --> 01:07:00.492
I don't, I don't remember exactly, but I just, yeah, I know that for me, like I've always seen them with like the silver teeth.

01:07:01.541 --> 01:07:03.922
XX121 is that is there code there?

01:07:03.922 --> 01:07:04.362
Okay.

01:07:04.362 --> 01:07:04.981
Well, let's talk.

01:07:04.981 --> 01:07:14.141
We mentioned earlier we kind of hinted out here is that there's a strong connection between Peter Pan and the Lost Boys crew in this show of all the sense.

01:07:14.141 --> 01:07:16.802
So Disney's Peter Pan plays a large part in this series.

01:07:16.802 --> 01:07:17.181
J.M.

01:07:17.181 --> 01:07:19.961
Bear is it Barry's or Bear's?

01:07:19.961 --> 01:07:20.282
J.M.

01:07:20.282 --> 01:07:25.641
Barry's fairy tale serves as inspiration when it comes to Prodity's naming of the Lost Boys team.

01:07:25.641 --> 01:07:26.842
Wendy, of course, leads the team.

01:07:26.842 --> 01:07:29.934
Her name is a nod to Wendy Darling, the eldest of the Darling.

01:07:29.934 --> 01:07:32.634
children and is the one in charge.

01:07:32.733 --> 01:07:37.213
Arana James plays Curly.

01:07:37.213 --> 01:07:39.534
Ardash Gauravar.

01:07:39.534 --> 01:07:41.802
uh Adarsh Gaurav.

01:07:42.126 --> 01:07:55.206
Darsh Gharav is slightly Lily Newmark is NIBS Jonathan Ajayi is Simi the pirate and Kit Young is Toodles.

01:07:55.405 --> 01:07:56.545
I thought that was interesting.

01:07:56.545 --> 01:07:57.746
I thought it was fun.

01:07:58.085 --> 01:08:07.346
I guess my dumb brain just forgot that they were called the Lost Boys and my Lost Boys went straight to the horror film from the 80s.

01:08:07.505 --> 01:08:09.826
So, you know, I thought that was...

01:08:09.826 --> 01:08:10.525
There you go.

01:08:10.525 --> 01:08:10.996
Yeah.

01:08:10.996 --> 01:08:12.411
Aaron, let's talk about the cast.

01:08:12.411 --> 01:08:13.434
It's kind of a big one.

01:08:13.434 --> 01:08:16.503
And there's one person in particular that I want to pick your brain on once you finish.

01:08:16.770 --> 01:08:20.141
So you got Sydney Chandler is Wendy the first higher.

01:08:20.141 --> 01:08:22.815
um You can go into as much of this as you want.

01:08:22.815 --> 01:08:24.662
You don't have to read every single thing if you don't want.

01:08:24.662 --> 01:08:25.282
Okay.

01:08:25.282 --> 01:08:27.764
Well, you got Sydney Chandler as Wendy.

01:08:27.764 --> 01:08:33.266
She's the first hybrid uh considered the oldest, you know, again, synthetic body.

01:08:33.527 --> 01:08:35.908
she was like, we'll just knock out real quick.

01:08:35.908 --> 01:08:43.563
All of these kids that were, you know, turned into hybrids were all, I you should know already if you've seen the show, if not, they're all terminally ill.

01:08:43.563 --> 01:08:46.414
That's why they were chosen to be put into these bodies.

01:08:46.414 --> 01:08:48.716
um And then um what's the name?

01:08:48.716 --> 01:08:59.524
Cavalier basically said that The reason that the kids can be transferred into human bodies or into synthetic bodies and minds is because their brains are so open to experiences.

01:08:59.645 --> 01:09:02.787
You got Babu Sisay as Morrow.

01:09:02.787 --> 01:09:06.510
He's basically the head of security on the Magno and he's a cyborg.

01:09:06.510 --> 01:09:11.684
He's got synthetic parts and we see that with his wrist knife and his cool hands.

01:09:11.684 --> 01:09:15.046
And here's the odd thing is like, is his brain partially synthetic?

01:09:15.046 --> 01:09:17.856
Because at one point he hooks up these wires and he like...

01:09:17.856 --> 01:09:20.061
Downloads from the ship into his brain.

01:09:20.061 --> 01:09:27.069
So I thought that that there's got to be more to him than just his arm in my opinion Yeah, he's also able to go toe to toe with this with Kirsch.

01:09:27.393 --> 01:09:27.886
Yeah.

01:09:27.886 --> 01:09:32.649
You got Alex Lothar as Joe Hermit, who is Wendy's brother or Marcy.

01:09:32.750 --> 01:09:39.033
He's a medic for Prodigy and he wanted to go to medical school, but faced my wrath.

01:09:39.833 --> 01:09:47.318
Esi Davis is Dame Sylvia, an employee of the Prodigy Corporation, basically kind of like a mother figure to the Lost Boys.

01:09:47.618 --> 01:09:53.002
Samuel Blanken, or as I like to call him, uh Elliot Page.

01:09:53.002 --> 01:09:57.122
um Why do I make tippy toes?

01:09:57.122 --> 01:09:58.222
Yeah.

01:09:58.222 --> 01:10:03.346
As Boy Cavalier, CEO of Prodigy Corporation, the world's, no, no, no, not Samuel Blakin.

01:10:03.346 --> 01:10:04.889
uh Joe, I'm thinking Joe.

01:10:04.889 --> 01:10:07.409
Joe looks like, uh looks like Elliot Page.

01:10:07.411 --> 01:10:14.756
Adarsh Gaurav as slightly, again, another, uh hybrid.

01:10:14.756 --> 01:10:16.998
ah Let's see.

01:10:16.998 --> 01:10:19.100
Arana James is Curly.

01:10:19.621 --> 01:10:22.122
Lily Newmark, Curly, both hybrids.

01:10:22.122 --> 01:10:25.204
Jonathan Ajayi is Smee, hybrid.

01:10:25.569 --> 01:10:28.731
David Rizdel as Arthur Sylvia.

01:10:28.731 --> 01:10:35.627
And that's, that's basically another scientist on the team uh who's kind of caring, but also more of a scientist.

01:10:35.627 --> 01:10:37.019
He just wants to stick to protocols.

01:10:37.019 --> 01:10:40.661
uh Again, one of those characters were like, is he a monster?

01:10:40.661 --> 01:10:41.261
Is he a good guy?

01:10:41.261 --> 01:10:46.774
Cause he's kind of uh concerned, but he's also, is he more concerned about the science than he is the children?

01:10:46.774 --> 01:10:48.731
He's complicit and complicit.

01:10:48.731 --> 01:10:53.185
Yeah, he complicity and the situation like that is your fault as well.

01:10:53.185 --> 01:10:54.706
Let's see.

01:10:54.706 --> 01:10:59.350
got Moe Bar-El as Rashidi, a Prodigy Corporation security service soldier.

01:10:59.350 --> 01:11:02.422
uh Adrian Edmondson as Adam Ions.

01:11:02.422 --> 01:11:05.215
This was a very curious, very interesting.

01:11:05.215 --> 01:11:11.539
And if you didn't suspect that he was a synth from the beginning, you're a fucking idiot.

01:11:12.541 --> 01:11:13.220
I'm just kidding.

01:11:13.220 --> 01:11:29.627
ah Because there's several shots that show like these synth faces that are on the wall and one of them looks almost exactly like him Yeah, so that would to me was like a nod early on Timothy Olyphant as Kirsch which god he did such a good job He did and I'm pretty sure again.

01:11:29.627 --> 01:11:37.606
This is the telltale sign that this is the same universe as uh Blade Runner and I texted you that as soon as I started watching Let's talk about it here in just a second.

01:11:37.606 --> 01:11:38.378
Yeah.

01:11:38.381 --> 01:11:43.185
uh So Prodigy Corporation's synthetic chief scientist and he serves as Wendy's mentor and trainer.

01:11:43.185 --> 01:11:51.029
And then you got Sandra Yee Sinsindever as Utahni and basically the CEO of the Weyland-Yutani Corporation.

01:11:51.029 --> 01:11:56.971
um Aaron, talk about these next two minutes because this will add some context into what you were just saying.

01:11:56.971 --> 01:11:57.704
Yeah.

01:11:57.704 --> 01:12:03.966
So Timothy Ollifant actually turned down the role of Hal Jordan, which thank God I couldn't, I cannot see him as Hal Jordan.

01:12:03.981 --> 01:12:04.623
I like it.

01:12:04.623 --> 01:12:06.521
kind of like I can see it a little bit.

01:12:06.521 --> 01:12:06.869
Sure.

01:12:06.869 --> 01:12:10.743
love Nathan Fillion as Hal Jordan.

01:12:10.743 --> 01:12:12.145
Sorry, not Hal Jordan.

01:12:12.145 --> 01:12:14.899
God, I'm getting that mixed up uh with, you know, from Superman.

01:12:14.899 --> 01:12:15.880
Never mind.

01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:17.966
Wait, isn't Hal Jordan black?

01:12:17.966 --> 01:12:19.559
You're thinking of Guy Gardner, first of all.

01:12:19.559 --> 01:12:21.261
Yeah, Al Jordan is white.

01:12:21.261 --> 01:12:24.056
You're thinking of Jonathan, John Stewart.

01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:29.198
She was also in the Lanterns film coming up by and he's being played by Aaron Pierce.

01:12:29.198 --> 01:12:29.837
Yeah, sorry.

01:12:29.837 --> 01:12:30.797
Lantern show.

01:12:30.797 --> 01:12:31.537
Yeah.

01:12:31.537 --> 01:12:34.177
need to, I need to start reading some more about lanterns.

01:12:34.177 --> 01:12:40.537
Anyways, Oliphant turned on the role of Hal Jordan, DC studios lanterns, which comes out in 2026 to act in this.

01:12:40.738 --> 01:12:41.677
Sorry.

01:12:41.717 --> 01:12:48.497
Timothy Oliphant turned down the role of Hal Jordan, DC studios lanterns, which comes out in 2026 to act in this.

01:12:48.497 --> 01:12:53.557
The role went to Sydney Chandler's father, Kyle Chandler.

01:12:55.257 --> 01:12:55.497
Yep.

01:12:55.497 --> 01:12:56.717
Keep it in the family.

01:12:56.917 --> 01:13:03.752
And then Kersh's hair and makeup designer conscious reference to Rutger Hauer's character Roy Batty and Blade Runner.

01:13:03.752 --> 01:13:05.654
The film Ridley Scott made after Alien.

01:13:05.654 --> 01:13:08.865
This is yet another hint at two films taking place in the same universe.

01:13:08.865 --> 01:13:15.590
Something that was mentioned by Ridley Scott in the DVD commentary of the 20th anniversary edition of Alien, which is what I fucking said.

01:13:15.735 --> 01:13:15.956
Yep.

01:13:15.956 --> 01:13:16.506
You called it.

01:13:16.506 --> 01:13:18.319
um Okay.

01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:26.884
I want to ask you, this is probably the last thing we talk about here, unless you want to talk about any of the episodes in particular, but I want to get your read on Wendy here.

01:13:26.884 --> 01:13:30.099
She's basically, this is a two part question for you, Aaron.

01:13:30.099 --> 01:13:31.039
Number one.

01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:42.552
If we don't get another season of Alien Earth, do we see Wendy show up at some point in supplemental parts of the alien predator, I'm assuming, Blade Runner universe?

01:13:42.552 --> 01:13:45.734
Do you think that she sort of gets sidelined?

01:13:45.753 --> 01:13:48.595
Because to me, she's very overpowered in this series.

01:13:48.595 --> 01:13:58.869
She's basically like Chris Pratt's character in the Jurassic World franchise, where she's like, she can like whistle at these xenomorphs and make them do her bidding.

01:13:58.869 --> 01:14:03.054
I guess, you know, she's like the, she's the Xena whisper in this, in this universe.

01:14:03.054 --> 01:14:17.305
So that's the interesting thing about this and, know, if you look at it, this is an interesting opportunity for them to not really retcon the alien resurrection story.

01:14:17.527 --> 01:14:26.764
Because if you remember back to alien resurrection, there was a story about how there were synthetics that left earth.

01:14:26.945 --> 01:14:30.118
that left humanity and basically started their own population.

01:14:30.118 --> 01:14:33.631
There were rumors of them creating their own versions of synths, et cetera.

01:14:33.792 --> 01:14:44.963
And so this is an opportunity to kind of link that and make it a little bit more of a uh understandable uh potentially, know, potential storyline in the universe, in the, in the franchise.

01:14:44.963 --> 01:14:46.702
So I think that that's really cool.

01:14:46.702 --> 01:14:53.002
So you think the synths in this series, the Lost Boys, potentially down the road could just leave Earth completely.

01:14:53.293 --> 01:14:56.894
leave earth or take this island.

01:14:56.894 --> 01:15:01.293
could figure out how to, again, I mean, they're already controlling them.

01:15:01.854 --> 01:15:02.873
but that's the thing though.

01:15:02.873 --> 01:15:08.673
We also have to figure out what's going on because they're not the only creatures that escape.

01:15:08.673 --> 01:15:10.194
There's some of those flies.

01:15:10.194 --> 01:15:16.154
There's the fucking little eyeball guy, know, there's the eye gore.

01:15:16.154 --> 01:15:17.434
I'm going to call him.

01:15:17.434 --> 01:15:17.793
Yeah.

01:15:17.793 --> 01:15:19.453
That weird fucking thing.

01:15:19.630 --> 01:15:20.869
There's so much here.

01:15:20.869 --> 01:15:24.409
It's going to be like the fucking Yokai watch or like Pokemon.

01:15:24.770 --> 01:15:30.970
I thought this was going to be like a cool opportunity for them to be like, you know, gonna catch them.

01:15:30.970 --> 01:15:32.529
Oh, we're all dead.

01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:35.307
I want a new Scamander of the alien universe.

01:15:35.307 --> 01:15:39.489
That's Aaron and I we're going to be the fantastic beast of Zenos.

01:15:39.489 --> 01:15:40.411
Yeah.

01:15:41.206 --> 01:15:46.228
And that's the other things we don't know the potential of that alien.

01:15:46.228 --> 01:15:48.360
Because that thing is obviously highly intelligent.

01:15:48.360 --> 01:15:48.871
Highly.

01:15:48.871 --> 01:15:50.112
It's setting traps.

01:15:50.112 --> 01:15:52.934
It's doing things with intention.

01:15:52.934 --> 01:16:00.220
you know, when a creature can play the long game, you know, there's some suspicious shit going on, going down.

01:16:00.220 --> 01:16:16.380
So I think that there is a lot of opportunity to not only explore and then like, who knows, maybe through through communicating with these creatures, maybe they will figure out, like we need to take them home.

01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:17.810
And maybe that's the next show.

01:16:17.810 --> 01:16:22.381
Maybe that's the next season, the series is them taking these creatures home and returning them.

01:16:22.381 --> 01:16:28.083
But then again, you still have Weyland-Yutani who's obviously we know for the next couple of hundred years is gonna be going out there and like looking for shit.

01:16:28.083 --> 01:16:30.494
So like there's a lot that could happen.

01:16:30.494 --> 01:16:31.935
There's a lot of opportunity here.

01:16:31.935 --> 01:16:34.966
There's a lot of story, ah you know.

01:16:35.340 --> 01:16:39.659
threads that could really be pulled on and it's an exciting time as an Alien fan.

01:16:39.659 --> 01:16:56.000
Yeah, I kind of like the idea of Wendy and sort of her, you know, her clicking to the xenomorphs as like the same way that the Targaryens, they sort of like strongly suggest the dragons to do things via Valerian speech.

01:16:56.039 --> 01:17:02.054
And also like against Chris Pratt in the Jurassic World where like he can like ask them to do things, but are they going to do it?

01:17:02.054 --> 01:17:02.423
I don't know.

01:17:02.423 --> 01:17:02.904
We'll see.

01:17:02.904 --> 01:17:06.036
I mean, hopefully, because if not, they're going to kill him.

01:17:06.207 --> 01:17:17.746
So like I like the idea of like Wendy's character not be able to control the xenomorphs but just like there's an understanding that like they sort of need each other in a way and there's an ends to a means in their partnership.

01:17:17.902 --> 01:17:27.425
Well, the interesting about this is there's another slight parallel with like the Peter Pan story here.

01:17:27.425 --> 01:17:33.106
So Wendy became sort of the matriarch of the Lost Boys.

01:17:33.766 --> 01:17:36.528
And the Lost Boys were obviously like misfits.

01:17:36.528 --> 01:17:37.667
They all didn't have a home.

01:17:37.667 --> 01:17:47.717
They didn't have parents or they couldn't remember them because that's one thing that they don't really cover in a lot of the movies is that in Neverland, when you're there for long enough, you start to forget your parents.

01:17:47.717 --> 01:17:52.329
You start to forget the world itself.

01:17:52.811 --> 01:17:55.832
there's like a power vacuum almost.

01:17:56.173 --> 01:18:01.655
And that's another thing is the aliens, these drones, cause that's what they are, they're drones.

01:18:02.676 --> 01:18:04.137
They need a queen.

01:18:04.618 --> 01:18:08.440
So she is now essentially their fostered queen.

01:18:10.442 --> 01:18:13.264
in this situation because without them, they're just going to go buck wild.

01:18:13.264 --> 01:18:23.072
And we see that in all the ships, and all the, you know, the aliens films, but when there's a queen, they do obviously they do things very controlled there because queens are highly intelligent as well.

01:18:23.072 --> 01:18:24.894
so there's a lot there.

01:18:24.894 --> 01:18:25.984
Again, there's a lot to unpack.

01:18:25.984 --> 01:18:33.461
There's a lot of possibilities and what could potentially go through with her becoming the, you know, quote unquote queen for this drone.

01:18:33.461 --> 01:18:38.824
Cause there's, there's two, think, think there should have been two that are alive.

01:18:38.824 --> 01:18:46.761
So now she's got Yeah, the baby one, there's a baby one hanging out in the laboratory with that militia crew.

01:18:46.761 --> 01:18:51.646
I think it's the Weyland-Yutani army crew at the end of the episode eight.

01:18:51.646 --> 01:18:53.287
And he's just like locked in a room.

01:18:53.287 --> 01:19:00.449
Whereas the full-fledged, fully grown brown one is uh Wendy's little pet.

01:19:00.694 --> 01:19:05.496
And that's the cool thing also, you know, so the xenomorphs are like ants.

01:19:05.697 --> 01:19:10.600
There's different versions and there's different colors of them and they fight like ants.

01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:14.692
So like different uh hives will go to war.

01:19:14.692 --> 01:19:28.250
there's like several books where they talk about these, they go to the actual home world, like a home world of like aliens where there's like multiple hives and they go to war and it's pretty crazy.

01:19:28.778 --> 01:19:34.470
If I really put my nerd pants on and like I want just like the most bat shit crazy.

01:19:34.470 --> 01:19:38.082
Cause I think one of my other big problems with the series is that it's a super self-serious.

01:19:38.082 --> 01:19:52.091
There are like some sort of, you know, comedic attempts, but it's all dry and it's all, everything is like, it's just like a human walks into a room with a synthetic looking at a wall and the synthetic turns around and says, what am I?

01:19:52.091 --> 01:19:54.412
And the human goes, I don't know, what are you?

01:19:54.572 --> 01:19:57.793
And then they contemplate it for a second and then the scene ends.

01:19:57.970 --> 01:20:07.422
That's the way I sort of like think of like the intrigue and sort of the depth of the series.

01:20:07.422 --> 01:20:08.332
It's really serious.

01:20:08.332 --> 01:20:10.153
um Here's what I want.

01:20:10.153 --> 01:20:11.194
Season two happens.

01:20:11.194 --> 01:20:12.734
It's only six episodes.

01:20:12.734 --> 01:20:17.534
It's all about getting the island back from the synthetics and I'm assuming more xenomorphs down the road.

01:20:17.534 --> 01:20:21.416
And then like all the synthetics get like their own xenomorph.

01:20:21.416 --> 01:20:26.881
Like they all get like different colors and they have names and like they have ribbons on their neck so they know which one is which.

01:20:26.881 --> 01:20:29.265
So you're talking about how to train your alien.

01:20:30.429 --> 01:20:31.949
Welcome to Berg.

01:20:32.471 --> 01:20:33.681
Everybody gets it.

01:20:33.681 --> 01:20:34.342
That's what I want.

01:20:34.342 --> 01:20:35.194
That's what want.

01:20:35.194 --> 01:20:39.636
then like, Waylon, you, Waylon, you, and the rest of the prodigy corporation.

01:20:39.636 --> 01:20:42.548
And then like the folks who were in the prisoner are trying to fight their way out.

01:20:42.548 --> 01:20:48.913
And at the very end of the series, the synthetic's when everyone dies, except for like a couple of the cents and their xenomorphs.

01:20:48.913 --> 01:20:55.399
And then a ship shows up and you find out that it's one, it's some Yautja and they're there to hunt.

01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:57.381
And that takes us into season three.

01:20:57.381 --> 01:20:59.384
And it's just full on alien versus predator.

01:20:59.384 --> 01:21:10.479
Well, that's the interesting thing because in the um bad land or bad lands, we're going to actually see predators working alongside a synth.

01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.841
So, so this could be the connecting tissue.

01:21:15.213 --> 01:21:16.713
Yeah, because we have Ellie Fanning.

01:21:16.713 --> 01:21:21.394
She's a synth in that series and she's that's just a straight up connection of Alien and Predator.

01:21:21.394 --> 01:21:24.354
So all right, that'll do it for our review of Alien Earth.

01:21:24.354 --> 01:21:26.793
Again, I think we've talked it to death here.

01:21:26.833 --> 01:21:33.713
Aaron, let's just go ahead and do our rating again out of five David Winer's as we do when we rate anything here on the show, it'll be out of five David Winer's.

01:21:33.713 --> 01:21:35.554
What are you going to give Alien Earth?

01:21:35.949 --> 01:21:37.166
Give him a four.

01:21:37.166 --> 01:21:38.586
Four to five.

01:21:38.586 --> 01:21:39.826
All right.

01:21:39.826 --> 01:21:40.645
Hmm.

01:21:40.805 --> 01:21:44.485
I'm going to give Alien Earth a 2.5.

01:21:44.485 --> 01:21:45.006
Oof.

01:21:45.006 --> 01:21:46.865
think it's right below recommending.

01:21:46.865 --> 01:21:49.065
I think if you're an alien fan, of course you're watching this.

01:21:49.065 --> 01:21:52.206
You don't need our conversation to decide that.

01:21:52.206 --> 01:21:56.666
But I think if you're not an alien fan, I don't know if I would recommend it.

01:21:56.685 --> 01:21:57.525
know.

01:21:58.046 --> 01:21:58.626
Sorry.

01:21:58.626 --> 01:22:02.746
mean, the thing is, is like we talked about like Romulus and we talked about.

01:22:03.065 --> 01:22:04.466
Killer of killers.

01:22:05.134 --> 01:22:09.307
I've heard a couple people, they've reached out to us and talked about our review of Killer of Killers.

01:22:09.307 --> 01:22:11.279
They're like, wow, you guys are really hard on that.

01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:14.404
And I was like, yeah, we kind of were, but like, I think we both liked it.

01:22:14.404 --> 01:22:14.694
know?

01:22:14.694 --> 01:22:15.083
Yeah.

01:22:15.083 --> 01:22:16.877
I thought we were a lot more gentle with this one.

01:22:16.877 --> 01:22:21.557
Yeah, that's the fun thing though is like you can be critical of something and still really enjoy it.

01:22:21.557 --> 01:22:54.753
I think that's the fun of these discussions because um for me like again i'm critical the more the more the more of a fan I am of something the more right I have to be critical I believe You know like I want to make sure that if they're gonna release something that is That's been around for longer than i've been alive and I fucking love it and I man I can't even show you how big the comics section in my short boxes are of just from the alien or predator or alien versus whatever, know, like I love what this, what these properties are.

01:22:54.753 --> 01:23:02.061
And I think that that makes me even more required to look at it through like a telescope or a magnifying glass.

01:23:02.061 --> 01:23:02.841
Sure.

01:23:02.942 --> 01:23:03.332
Okay.

01:23:03.332 --> 01:23:11.485
Last thing we'll say before we get into Aaron's arcade, I want to ask you, say someone is trying to get into Alien or Predator even.

01:23:11.485 --> 01:23:12.475
Well, let's just stick with Alien.

01:23:12.475 --> 01:23:14.067
Let's just Alien.

01:23:14.346 --> 01:23:19.368
What is a property, whether post or pre Disney merger?

01:23:19.448 --> 01:23:24.190
What's one thing you would like pitch to someone and go, Hey, if you want to know why the Alien franchise is cool.

01:23:24.190 --> 01:23:26.792
And this could even be like Alien 79 or Aliens.

01:23:26.792 --> 01:23:27.693
It doesn't matter.

01:23:27.693 --> 01:23:31.042
Any alien property, comic movie, television, whatever.

01:23:31.042 --> 01:23:32.956
What would you recommend folks to check out?

01:23:34.221 --> 01:23:39.782
I honestly, the first, mean, I always say it really depends on what your, what your style of film is.

01:23:39.782 --> 01:23:44.761
If you're looking for something a little bit more horror related, obviously go 79 alien.

01:23:44.902 --> 01:23:53.202
know, if you're looking for fun action, you know, and you want like intro into the Ridley Scott of it all, get away from it.

01:23:53.202 --> 01:23:54.782
Mostly come at night.

01:23:54.782 --> 01:23:59.561
Mostly go to aliens, you know, or go back to the original predator.

01:23:59.561 --> 01:24:03.020
You know, if you're was my favorite action film of all time.

01:24:03.020 --> 01:24:06.972
If you want something a little bit more modern, that's very fucking cool.

01:24:07.274 --> 01:24:14.971
Predators or Predator, like the newer ones, like the Predator one was like, those are both kind of stupid, but they're still pretty cool.

01:24:14.971 --> 01:24:16.764
Like when you have, um what's his name?

01:24:16.764 --> 01:24:26.328
oh What's he a No, no, the one, the one with who he played Eddie Brock in the Amazing Spider-Man.

01:24:26.328 --> 01:24:28.288
ah know.

01:24:29.029 --> 01:24:30.289
Topher Gray.

01:24:30.990 --> 01:24:33.311
Predator, yes, I'm saying predator.

01:24:33.311 --> 01:24:43.177
That one's interesting because that's your first real like look at the predators, like taking humans to a place like to like a game zone and like hunting them.

01:24:43.177 --> 01:24:45.118
And that that's fucking cool.

01:24:45.118 --> 01:24:47.109
You know, like there's so many options here.

01:24:47.109 --> 01:24:48.661
And it's like you really can.

01:24:48.661 --> 01:24:49.381
You.

01:24:50.481 --> 01:24:51.481
These.

01:24:51.713 --> 01:24:55.345
And if you just want strict sci-fi, go Blade Runner.

01:24:55.372 --> 01:24:55.903
Yeah.

01:24:55.903 --> 01:24:58.546
Well, give me one alien property.

01:24:58.546 --> 01:24:59.618
like, what's a recommend?

01:24:59.618 --> 01:25:04.194
What's the thing you love from the alien franchise that like you love and you just love recommending to people.

01:25:05.261 --> 01:25:13.195
uh I would say like any of the aliens novels again, alien berserker, alien uh earth hive.

01:25:13.195 --> 01:25:14.972
I have all the SD Perry books right here.

01:25:14.972 --> 01:25:16.220
I love recommending those to folks.

01:25:16.220 --> 01:25:17.256
The old Dark Horse books.

01:25:17.256 --> 01:25:19.154
oh like how you have three of them.

01:25:19.154 --> 01:25:19.702
I like you.

01:25:19.702 --> 01:25:20.978
You say all of them.

01:25:20.978 --> 01:25:22.721
I have the three that I've read.

01:25:22.721 --> 01:25:23.332
Yeah.

01:25:23.332 --> 01:25:26.631
There's one other one that just called Aliens that I have.

01:25:26.631 --> 01:25:28.335
That's not has nothing to with the movie.

01:25:28.335 --> 01:25:29.216
It's just called Aliens.

01:25:29.216 --> 01:25:29.613
Anyway.

01:25:29.613 --> 01:25:33.194
One day I'm going to take a picture of all of the aliens novels that I have.

01:25:33.194 --> 01:25:34.934
I'm just going to, you're to be like, Oh my God, such a fight.

01:25:34.934 --> 01:25:36.734
Like I have, like, I'm not kidding.

01:25:36.734 --> 01:25:39.873
used to, my parents, they would rent an RV.

01:25:39.873 --> 01:25:43.033
Like every once in a while we go on a road trip and that's what I would take with me.

01:25:43.033 --> 01:25:45.333
I'd have my mom take me to like Barnes and Noble or wherever.

01:25:45.333 --> 01:25:47.554
Cause I didn't know about used bookstores back then.

01:25:47.554 --> 01:25:52.094
And I'd get like a bunch of aliens book and I would just tear through them so quick.

01:25:52.094 --> 01:25:53.173
And then I'd reread them.

01:25:53.173 --> 01:25:55.734
Like I can't tell you how many times I reread through some of these books.

01:25:55.734 --> 01:25:58.478
And then there's collections, there's comics.

01:25:58.478 --> 01:26:24.862
If you want something if you're a comic reader and you want to read something cool with aliens aliens versus Superman Mm-hmm or our aliens versus Judge Jared, you know aliens versus Batman aliens versus Superman is one of the most badass Comic storylines have ever seen especially in the in the penultimate issue where like I'm just gonna tell you this fucking Superman he is on he is away from earth.

01:26:24.862 --> 01:26:26.103
So there's no yellow sun.

01:26:26.103 --> 01:26:27.904
So he's just a regular fucking dude.

01:26:27.904 --> 01:26:31.207
And guess what happens when a regular fucking dude gets a face hugger on him.

01:26:31.847 --> 01:26:33.047
That's right.

01:26:33.408 --> 01:26:34.319
He gets in prey.

01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:36.481
He gets penetrated and impregnated.

01:26:36.481 --> 01:26:43.496
And there's like this cool fucking scene with with Superman and this chest burst are about to fucking just rip out of him.

01:26:43.496 --> 01:26:44.627
It's insane.

01:26:44.627 --> 01:26:45.402
It's so good.

01:26:45.402 --> 01:26:46.278
Okay.

01:26:46.594 --> 01:26:49.465
I will say there's those are all good choices.

01:26:49.465 --> 01:26:53.697
Obviously, Alien, think, is maybe my first choice that I would tell people to start from the beginning.

01:26:53.697 --> 01:26:58.747
But uh Alien versus Avengers that came out last year from Marvel is very good.

01:26:58.747 --> 01:27:00.408
It's by Jonathan Hickman and Asad Ravik.

01:27:00.408 --> 01:27:03.680
Of course, the team from Secret Wars and a bunch of other stuff over at Marvel.

01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:04.390
It's awesome.

01:27:04.390 --> 01:27:11.412
And it's basically it's it's just it's just like if you love comics and you love the Alien franchise, it's just.

01:27:11.564 --> 01:27:12.235
It's fan fiction.

01:27:12.235 --> 01:27:13.134
I'll be honest with you.

01:27:13.134 --> 01:27:14.894
it's just it's just like what would happen?

01:27:14.894 --> 01:27:17.449
You know, if David was coming after the event.

01:27:17.926 --> 01:27:18.806
It totally is.

01:27:18.806 --> 01:27:21.229
That's such a great way to describe it.

01:27:21.229 --> 01:27:26.934
Like these two are clearly fans of Alien and it's written so well.

01:27:26.934 --> 01:27:31.077
It's like totally a what if story and it's written so well.

01:27:31.077 --> 01:27:31.757
It's so cool.

01:27:31.757 --> 01:27:34.340
And the art is insanely good.

01:27:34.340 --> 01:27:37.322
So that is a great suggestion, Chris.

01:27:37.645 --> 01:27:39.957
Okay, that'll do it for our review of Alien Earth.

01:27:39.957 --> 01:27:43.551
Let's get into my favorite segment of the show that we haven't done in a while.

01:27:43.912 --> 01:27:44.603
A while.

01:27:44.603 --> 01:27:46.302
Let's get into Aaron's Arcade.

01:27:48.492 --> 01:27:51.563
It's time for Aaron's Arcade.

01:27:54.862 --> 01:27:55.761
What's going on?

01:27:55.761 --> 01:28:01.122
Welcome to Aaron's Arcade, where I'm going to give you a little brief look into what I've been playing recently.

01:28:01.742 --> 01:28:06.481
Destiny, I tried playing it on the platforms, not platforms, the what do call them?

01:28:06.481 --> 01:28:06.921
Consoles?

01:28:06.921 --> 01:28:07.782
Fuckin' consoles.

01:28:07.782 --> 01:28:08.641
Thank you.

01:28:08.641 --> 01:28:11.301
And good God, that was confusing as shit.

01:28:11.301 --> 01:28:15.582
There's so many, so many DLCs at some point just make it all free.

01:28:15.582 --> 01:28:16.502
But you know what?

01:28:16.502 --> 01:28:23.756
If you wanted to try those and you didn't ever want to pay like two hundred dollars for like every single iteration and DLC.

01:28:23.756 --> 01:28:24.136
Guess what?

01:28:24.136 --> 01:28:27.386
You can play Destiny Rising, which is free on your mobile device.

01:28:27.386 --> 01:28:29.268
uh Hashtag not a sponsor.

01:28:29.268 --> 01:28:33.170
It's on Apple and, you know, Google, Android, whatever you got.

01:28:33.170 --> 01:28:37.311
But it's a free to play massively multiplayer online game.

01:28:37.311 --> 01:28:42.663
And it's it's developed and published by NetEase, which from my understanding is the same.

01:28:42.663 --> 01:28:47.546
It's like, I think they people that did like uh maybe some Marvel rivals.

01:28:47.546 --> 01:28:51.567
But anyways, they've they have a long drawn out history with creating mobile games.

01:28:51.567 --> 01:28:52.497
It's really cool.

01:28:52.497 --> 01:28:55.301
But it's also It's a licensed bungee property.

01:28:55.301 --> 01:28:57.953
this uh game is really, really fun.

01:28:57.953 --> 01:29:04.539
It's actually a uh alternate storyline, alternate timeline of the Destiny universe.

01:29:04.539 --> 01:29:16.551
And you get these heroes, just these different, uh you get to collect and choose from a selection of characters with distinct abilities aiming to restore human civilization as it emerges from a second dark age.

01:29:16.551 --> 01:29:29.185
So it is a little bit like these current uh gotcha games that you're getting a lot of in your your feeds these days where you have like wishes and you wish for your new character or you could just straight up buy them.

01:29:29.185 --> 01:29:31.926
Again, this game is still fun as hell free to play.

01:29:31.926 --> 01:29:33.405
I don't want to pay anything.

01:29:33.405 --> 01:29:34.206
I don't want to.

01:29:34.206 --> 01:29:38.225
I don't want to give them any money, but I'm having a hell of a time playing it.

01:29:38.225 --> 01:29:40.586
There's also a cool card game.

01:29:40.586 --> 01:29:42.225
That's like a mini part of this.

01:29:42.225 --> 01:29:45.645
And that's I've noticed a lot of mobile games are doing that, especially the gotcha ones.

01:29:45.645 --> 01:29:48.206
But this one is really fun, really involved.

01:29:48.206 --> 01:29:49.582
It's a little confusing.

01:29:49.582 --> 01:29:54.841
simply because you have to raise your level in order to play like some of the NPCs around the maps.

01:29:54.981 --> 01:29:57.402
But other than that, again, the game is really easy to get into.

01:29:57.402 --> 01:29:58.301
It's really fun.

01:29:58.301 --> 01:30:04.242
There's a whole mentorship program for people that don't know much about it.

01:30:04.242 --> 01:30:05.942
And yeah, I think it's just really user friendly.

01:30:05.942 --> 01:30:08.801
So go give it a check and let me know what you think.

01:30:08.881 --> 01:30:14.202
Feel free to report back here and be like, Aaron, it's a stupid idea.

01:30:14.421 --> 01:30:18.764
Or Aaron, I loved it, but it was still a stupid idea because I wasted all my money.

01:30:18.764 --> 01:30:19.216
Let me know.

01:30:19.216 --> 01:30:20.262
will say net ease.

01:30:20.262 --> 01:30:22.699
Yeah, they were the ones behind our arrivals as well.

01:30:22.699 --> 01:30:22.960
Yeah.

01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:23.810
Yeah.

01:30:23.810 --> 01:30:27.682
So, so obviously they know how to make a good game because people are going insane.

01:30:27.682 --> 01:30:30.664
thought Marvel Reve was going to crash and burn, people are loving it.

01:30:30.664 --> 01:30:34.887
people are going go and got mostly because of the plot.

01:30:34.913 --> 01:30:37.417
Yeah, the plot being Emma Frost's thighs.

01:30:37.417 --> 01:30:37.841
Yes.

01:30:37.841 --> 01:30:39.306
And squirrel girl.

01:30:39.532 --> 01:30:41.560
Which I'm to she's a teenager people.

01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:44.358
She's a teenager Not built like one.

01:30:44.358 --> 01:30:46.869
uh Anyways, yeah, go check it out.

01:30:46.869 --> 01:30:49.600
Destiny Rising again on any device.

01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:52.842
yeah, if you have, again, I'd love to hear your feedback on it.

01:30:53.042 --> 01:30:54.823
Feel free to look me up in the game as well.

01:30:54.823 --> 01:30:55.363
All right.

01:30:55.363 --> 01:30:59.176
Now to my favorite part of the show, Chris's Corner.

01:31:01.550 --> 01:31:04.046
It's time for Chris's Corner.

01:31:04.046 --> 01:31:05.445
All right.

01:31:10.493 --> 01:31:14.934
Alrighty, let's talk about the paper, Aaron, this week for Christmas Corner.

01:31:14.934 --> 01:31:17.817
I want to sort of give folks the okay.

01:31:17.817 --> 01:31:28.001
I want to let people know as I think, and it's been widely said among the entire population of the world that I am the biggest office fan in the world.

01:31:28.001 --> 01:31:30.212
I don't think it's even it's not even worth debating.

01:31:30.212 --> 01:31:30.771
Don't even try.

01:31:30.771 --> 01:31:37.125
And I'm here to give you permission to be excited and to go check out the paper over on Peacock.

01:31:37.185 --> 01:31:40.246
This is, of course, the follow up slash spin off.

01:31:41.220 --> 01:31:51.502
NBC series from, of course, The Office picks up with the same documentary crew that followed the workers around over at Dunder Mifflin in Scranton, Pennsylvania 20 years earlier.

01:31:51.502 --> 01:31:59.702
It focuses its efforts on a Toledo newspaper, sort of a failing newspaper called The Truth Teller.

01:31:59.702 --> 01:32:05.402
This is a historic but declining Midwestern newspaper trying to resurrect itself with volunteer reporters.

01:32:05.402 --> 01:32:09.492
So it's sort of in the same way that like the paper business was failing.

01:32:09.492 --> 01:32:17.184
in the mid 2000s, this is kind of where we're at with journalism in 2025 and how like journalism is sort of being seen.

01:32:17.184 --> 01:32:20.045
Obviously journalism is not a popular profession.

01:32:20.045 --> 01:32:38.369
People do not like journalists and people within the news segment because they think that they're trying to control them and it's misinformation and sort of like you have some people I'll say, I won't name any names, but there are certain people within our administration who are often discrediting our journalists.

01:32:38.369 --> 01:32:42.612
uh sort of in a wider sense, fake news and all that.

01:32:42.612 --> 01:32:47.614
But it stars Dom Gleason, Sabrina and Capacitor and Chelsea Free.

01:32:47.636 --> 01:32:48.355
And it's awesome.

01:32:48.355 --> 01:32:48.917
It's great.

01:32:48.917 --> 01:32:49.896
I highly recommend it.

01:32:49.896 --> 01:32:50.887
It's only 10 episodes.

01:32:50.887 --> 01:32:55.201
It's still the same old office 22 minute long episodes.

01:32:55.201 --> 01:32:56.631
They're bite size and I think they're great.

01:32:56.631 --> 01:33:05.436
They're just really fun and uh very, very excited for and Aaron, you were talking about this earlier, sort of like this idea that they're able to renew a series before it's even came out.

01:33:05.436 --> 01:33:12.787
That's what happened to the paper is that it was renewed for a second season before that second or before that first season even came out over on NBC over on Peacock.

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And I think it's better for it.

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So highly recommend folks to go check out the paper.

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Are there any cameos from other, uh, besides, mean, Oscar obviously isn't it from the office, but are there any other cameos so far from, uh, the, the, office?

01:33:25.837 --> 01:33:26.257
Yeah.

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Bob Vance, Vance Fridration is in the first episode because they go back to the office building from in Scranton to sort of see what's in that office.

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Now that now that Dunder Mifflin is no longer around and Bob Vance is still there selling refrigerators.

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So that's the only other one.

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And then at one point Oscar talks to Stanley on the phone.

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But for the most part, it's pretty segmented outside of I will say that I think one of my main arguments or no, I guess one of my one of my main sort of nitpicks with the series is that they are so They're so adamant about giving Oscar this disdain for the documentary crew because he's experienced, he experienced it from Dunder Mifflin.

01:34:01.623 --> 01:34:11.567
So like that's kind of annoying, but overall, I'll say like, uh, Sabrina Ingram-Pasator her character, and she was in white Lotus for people that probably recognize her character.

01:34:11.567 --> 01:34:12.507
She's incredible.

01:34:12.507 --> 01:34:20.939
She's probably one of my favorite parts of the show, but also Don Gleason as sort of the Michael Scott character, not at all, like in sort of character form.

01:34:20.939 --> 01:34:29.216
the same as Michael Scott, but like he is he's like the boss and he has like sort of a will they won't they with Chelsea Frees character in the series.

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So anyway, I think it's great.

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Highly recommend folks go check it out.

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That'll do for Chris's corner and that'll do it for episode two nine of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

01:34:37.423 --> 01:34:39.029
Aaron, we have done it once again.

01:34:39.029 --> 01:34:42.188
By golly, we have done it once again.

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Next week on the show, Aaron, we're to be talking to Jason Fabbach over in the Ghost Machine corner of comics.

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Aaron and I.

01:34:50.286 --> 01:34:58.185
Got to chat with Jason a couple of weeks ago talking about his and Jeff John's return of Rook Exodus over there again at Ghost Machine.

01:34:58.324 --> 01:35:04.805
Great conversations with Jason and he's an excellent guest and excited for people to check out issue seven of Rook Exodus.

01:35:04.805 --> 01:35:10.525
I think Aaron and I both really enjoyed it and we talked about in this conversation, Aaron, I'll reiterate really quickly here.

01:35:10.525 --> 01:35:21.654
Jason Fabbach was very, very integral to my becoming a Wednesday warrior in the early 2010s and it was very much a pleasure to chat with him here on the show.

01:35:21.654 --> 01:35:24.902
make sure you guys check that out for episode 210.

01:35:24.902 --> 01:35:25.550
210.

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Check it out for episode 210.

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Aaron, will you please take us out of here?

01:35:28.833 --> 01:35:29.854
Fine.

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All right.

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