SDCC ‘25 Recap/MOVIE REVIEW: Fantastic Four: First Steps

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I had a Douglas Wolk, author of All of the Marvels, and you are listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Norris.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 201 of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I'm your spineless ruthless scalper who just snagged the last Sandy O'Connicon exclusive Labooboo Chris Hacker and joining me is one of the founding members of the Yancy Street gang, my co-host and BFF, Aaron Nolz.

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It's clobberin' time! They just say that in the cartoon.

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I don't even say that.

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Welcome back everybody to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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This week, Aaron, we are basically going to be recapping all of our festivities, all the cool things we did in Southern California last week at San Diego Comic-Con.

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We saw each other not as much as I'd like to, but it'll be fun to sort of recap that together.

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While at the same time, as Aaron sort of mentioned there and sort of, I guess, teased a moment ago, we'll be talking about the latest entry in the MCU, which we saw together there in San Diego.

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Peace.

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A little teaser.

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Yeah.

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Aaron, let me ask you before we get into the San Diego talk, before we get into the Fantastic Four, recently did our 200th episode.

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We were together in Philadelphia, which is a fun...

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Right, right, right.

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No doubt, no doubt, no doubt.

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We were together, which was awesome.

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It a lot of fun.

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We released both a great episode together and then also that 200th episode together.

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Got a lot of good feedback.

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Everyone keeps saying, you know, we should do more episodes together in person.

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which, you know, I would say I wish...

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We are always looking for.

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Or just get us a round trip ticket.

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Totally can do that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But really enjoyed that.

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And it was fun, you know, kind of to see each other back to back weeks, right?

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Because we saw each other in Philadelphia.

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The next week we were in San Diego.

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And we'll talk about that here in just a moment.

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Aaron, I want to pass it off to you.

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For that 200th episode, how did that feel?

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that like, I don't even know how to properly surmise that moment of doing 200 episodes together.

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But do you feel like through that recording, we properly memorialized that moment in Oblivion Bar History?

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I absolutely do think so.

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To be honest, oddly enough, with us doing it like in your hotel room.

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In the cook chair.

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in the cut chair, it felt oddly like a therapy session, like an almost illicit therapy session, know, very scandalous, because we're just like in, know, very eyes wide shut about the masks.

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No, I thought it was really fun, obviously.

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I didn't think that I was gonna get as kind of like caught up in all the thought of everything.

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You know, I feel like we definitely went, because generally when you kind of...

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Imagine these these episodes like kind of like in your mind you're kind of like planning them out you think This is gonna be just like a fun recap episode We're gonna you know, every time you watch like a recap episode on a TV show It's like these are the fun times laughing laughing laughing But then you always forget about the time where it's like, oh somebody died Or like the shitty times so that's kind of what it was it was like a good way to kind go over the great times of the show the great interviews things that we've loved doing as well as Kind of going over the things that we want to be better at, the things that we want to bring through the show to the audience as well, to the listeners.

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And just kind of going from there, like building on that, because we've been building something so special for these last five years, these last 200 episodes plus.

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Now is really the time where we're hitting, I don't want to say hitting a stride, but like really hitting, I think, our strengths.

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It's becoming really comfortable, right?

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Like we found the quality that we really like.

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We found comfortability with each other, which is something we talked about in that episode where like, although we have been best friends since 2010, doing a show like this, you think that Aaron and I just pop on a mic and start talking.

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You know, one of us does, but you know I'm saying?

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Like it's, this is not as easy as this, like, you know, popping on camera and chatting about a thing we like.

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Like you think that Aaron and I are going to be conducting a pretty loose, evergreen conversation about San Diego and Fantastic Four.

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Hey, spoilers, we're lying to you.

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of this, we're like creating a transcript.

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We're reading off of that to sort of keep ourselves on track, because if not, we'll get on tangents, much like this intro, because there was no real intro to this episode.

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And I just sort of tease it there.

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We will be having pretty much just more of an evergreen conversation about San Diego and Fantastic Four.

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So I'm going to go ahead pass it over to you real quick before we get over to that.

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Why don't you go and tell the folks at home?

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Got a lot of new patrons here recently.

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That's right.

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Water's fine.

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Hop in the hot tub.

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The water's good.

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I will say to sort of build off what you're saying there, we are going to be teasing a big guest we're having on the show here in August.

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And again, tentatively, I don't want to like jinx it too much, but we're welcoming on a ton of great guests in August.

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But one specifically I have been working on for a long time.

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And Aaron, you already know who I'm talking about.

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It's someone that I actually met at San Diego for the first time in person.

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So without further ado, let's go and get into our conversation about San Diego Comic Con and Fantastic Four first steps.

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Okay, let's talk about San Diego Comic Con first.

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Aaron, I want to pass it off to you first because while we were both there together, as I sort of mentioned in the intro, we weren't really doing the same thing.

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I was working comic sketch art, doing the whatnot shows, which I love doing.

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You were kind of off working for your normal job, fanable at the time.

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You know, you were you were sort of out and about searching and at the time.

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Do we do we touch on that?

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Should we say anything about that?

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We can we can pass it if you want.

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not I had I you know, left I'm not gonna say anything negative about it.

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I you know, I will say this third job I've quit so far since retiring from the baby, they can't hold you down.

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They can't hold me like George Clooney, Yeah, just creative differences and just that, you know, I just, could not, I can't be somewhere where I can't let the, like this mind go where it needs to go.

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Yeah, no, you're a peacock and they gotta let you fly.

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You gotta let me fly.

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And so you know what?

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I am incredibly grateful for the opportunities.

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ah I got to be on a fucking San Diego Comic Con panel before I know I I told I told several people that I felt bad about that.

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I'm Did you get a little sign?

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Damn you.

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That's why I am mad about that.

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Actually.

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I want one of those.

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I know.

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Can we just wipe your name out and mark your mind?

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That's racist.

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got a white enough name already.

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But no, it's, you know, again, I am incredibly grateful for the time, the community that they introduced me to, which is like the digital collection space.

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I'm learning so much about it.

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And I think, you know, again, there's a lot of opportunity here and I'm just, I'm not going to stop.

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I'm not going to stop what I'm doing.

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I'm not going to stop working.

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I'm not going to stop creating.

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And I am excited for what the future does hold.

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I've already actually been in some, in some talks with some other projects that deal with, um, you know, technology even that might be even working with the military.

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Nerdy technology?

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Um?

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Nerdy technology or just technology as a broader...

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Technology, not necessarily nerdy technology, but technology to help the military overall.

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Yeah.

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So looking forward to that.

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Can't really talk too much about that.

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Don't want to jinx anything, but you know what?

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Farewell, Fainable.

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Moving on.

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So long friends and you know, hello to new opportunities.

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That's right.

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So you were off doing that and I was a working comic sketch artist.

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So Aaron, tell me a little bit about, actually let me start off the conversation like this.

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What does San Diego Comic Con mean to you?

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Like when you're sort of on the horizon looking at this figure that is the San Diego Comic Con venture, know, that second, third week of July most of the time.

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What does that convention mean to you?

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Because we go to so many of these, but there's something about San Diego, right?

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Yeah, to be honest, I think that mostly for me, it's getting to interact with friends and people that are just really not, that may not come to Sandy, or may not come to New York Comic-Con, but to have the opportunity to go there, it is such an exciting opportunity.

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It's a little bit overwhelming because the show floor of Sandy and Comic-Con is unlike any other convention that I've been to really where it's just one massive...

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floor.

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there, mean, there's so much more.

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There's the, there's the, the panel spaces on the next floor up.

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There's like, you know, there's hall H, which is somewhere else.

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Here from every single part of the building.

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There's experiences to be had.

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There's events, there's parties.

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So it's really like, I don't know.

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I've always looked, I've always looked at it like this.

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So growing up being really nerdy, especially getting into like cosplay and video games and movies.

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San Diego Comic Con was always this kind of like elusive like dream, you know, and it was like that is that is if you are a true nerd like that's where you want to be and After having been there this being my second time ah It's not really like that so much for me anymore.

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It's it's kind of like dwindled down into this idea of like this is Possibly a place where I'm not gonna see I'm gonna be able to see friends that I may not see it in New York So I got to take advantage of that like a business opportunity you find.

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I'm talking about friends, not like creators or artists or anything like that.

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That's fun.

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For me, I had a great time.

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I'll tell you this.

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My main mission this time was I took a bunch of posters that I'd been collecting up over the years and I literally took them to the Comic-Con to give to artists because they may not have access to some of these older, I'm talking like Wizard Magazine, old school, like Top Cow.

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I gave Top Cow their booth.

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It was a really cool crossover with some of the Marvel characters in Top Cow.

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There's even like a DC crossover one, some really cool ones as well.

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And they were cool, everybody's really cool.

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They gave me some stuff back.

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uh Stanley Tucci, Stanley Tucci, Billy Tucci, who did Shy and like some of the other like, you know, interesting art.

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He was, he's a veteran.

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I got to talk to him.

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He's actually super interested about coming onto the show also to talk about his career in comics as well.

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Yeah, he was like, no, he's like, I've got all these, like, you know, can I, can I just sign it for you?

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Cause like, don't, you know, I don't need it, but like, They get a lot of stuff at the show, you know?

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They probably inherit a ton of stuff while they're...

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do, but my intent with that was we all heard about what happened to Jock and his Detective Comics 880 and the art by I did not hear about this.

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Can you elaborate on that one?

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I'm not, no, I'm not privy.

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Okay, so um Detective Comics 880, as we all should know, is the, it's that really iconic Joker cover where it's like the bats flying off.

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it was created by Jock.

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Yeah, it's the Black Mirror, a series with Scott Snyder.

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Exactly.

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So when that went to print, Jock sold that piece of art, the original piece for, I don't know, I think it was like 10 or 12, 10 to $15,000, somewhere in there.

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Which is a steal.

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Recently, within like the last two months, that piece sold from a private seller, he sold it at auction for $288,000.

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And obviously Jock Jacques.

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didn't get any of that.

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So that's kind of like a hard thing.

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And so I was like, you know what, if I can do anything for any creator in the community, maybe I can at least give them some of this old art, old posters that I have that had just been sitting in a box and allow them to sign it, maybe give it to somebody else or maybe frame and keep their own house.

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Like I got some cool shit here.

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And I was like, it doesn't need to be just sitting around in a box, you know?

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So that was my goal.

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Yeah.

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I will say, I think I've said this leading up to the actual convention.

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San Diego is so important to me.

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It is just far and away my favorite convention.

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You know, I usually go to about three a year.

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usually do San Diego, New York, and then some kind of miscellaneous one throughout the year.

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This year it was planet Comic-Con in Kansas City, but San Diego is like literally the halfway refuel of the year that I need of like lifeblood.

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It gives me that extra oomph each year to sort of keep going that second part of the year.

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I absolutely adore it to sort of build on what you were saying there a moment ago.

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It is very unique in the sense that like everything is all basically on one floor.

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So it is a smaller I say smaller in quotations.

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Obviously a large convention.

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one of the bigger conventions.

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But compared to like in New York or compared to like a C2E2 or a fan expo or an Emerald City Comic Con or even like playing a comic con with multiple levels.

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San Diego all one floor.

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can basically walk from one side of the floor to the other with, know, if no one's around you, like obviously if you're dodging through neckbeards and sweaty folks, it's going to take you about an was the sweaty guy.

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This place was so hot.

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I was sweating every second I was on that show floor.

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Every second.

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So I had a separate sort of experience.

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I was freezing.

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We had a fan right above the Comic Sketch Art, which I guess, you know, first world problems, you know, in terms of like what you were dealing with.

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But I had this fan on me the entire show, all five days.

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And I was just freezing the entire time.

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But point being is that like San Diego, I wouldn't have to like ruminate on this too much.

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It is like just, it's the best.

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year, that San Diego Comic Con, every new year, that is my new favorite con.

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And I had...

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folks asked me about this like, was this year better than last year?

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Yes.

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And I'm going to bet that next year, 2026, if I have the, uh you know, fortune of going 2026 will be the best comic con I've ever been to.

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It is just like, and for everybody who's like never been to San Diego Comic Con, and we apologize if it sounds like we're bragging, I hope that you all get to go at some point.

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It is not what you think it is.

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Now there is like some entertainment, you know, they release trailers and stuff like I think in the two it was starting to shift more to Hollywood, but like San Diego is still very comic-centric.

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Would you agree, Aaron?

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Is that sort of your experience as well?

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Absolutely, it definitely so I think the kind of the the pre Thought out idea what we all kind of like think that San Diego Comic-Con is Generally is like this nerd Mecca like it's a huge thing But it's not necessarily that much really for the cosplayer or the nerd like there's a lot of people that go to that the show floor is absolutely packed But I really feel like this is this is really a convention for those that just in love with this industry You know and so for me it's like I think if it that if it maybe it used to be like that But I still feel like now there's like this is the con that you go to for like panels This is the con that you go to for like new information on your your your movies or your shows or whatever you hear it from George Lucas who just came this year you hear it from you know Johnny Depp who's working on a graphic novel you hear it from you know the Tron Aries cast over in a Hall H because everybody else is listening to the trailer going around the building and so Yeah, there's just like, there's, there's, it's very industry based.

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like, and the other part of it is, I don't know if other, other conventions are like this, but you have a lot of people who want to break into the industry going for like portfolio reviews.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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And so to me that that's, that's not necessarily what a, uh a fan convention.

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It's not a fan Expo.

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It's not, it is a, this is an industry event at its heart.

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And I think that like there is obviously fun to be had and Aaron, we'll talk briefly about like things that we bought.

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There's plenty of things to buy.

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I feel like every year I lose my ass when it comes to buying things as San Diego.

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Like I build a lot of my finances from January to June around going to San Diego and then I'll do the same thing for New York here in October.

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But I want to ask you, so let's just sort of briefly going through the days, Aaron, just sort of tell me like, you know, we were there Wednesday to Thursday.

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The first day that we saw each other was Thursday, right?

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Take me through sort of just like what your general day looked like.

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know, again, you were there working.

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like, what was sort of the goal each day while you were there?

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But to be honest, so like when I was flying in, I flew in on Wednesday, so I left super early from New York.

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I landed in Las Vegas.

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I had a six and a half hour.

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We barely missed it by like 10 minutes, man.

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It sucked.

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I had to lay over in Las Vegas as well.

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But I actually had to do some work.

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had to prepare the drop for, which was the fantastic case drop for Fannable.

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So I literally sat there and like worked on this drop for like three and a half, four hours.

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And then finally ate something, got on the plane and then got to San Diego, got to where I was staying, talked to people that I was supposed to be like working around and working where they're talking to and kind of conforming with like their schedule, but not really.

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ah And then I woke up the next morning, obviously convention day, making sure everything's good, making sure I got everything in my little case.

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My little backpack, you know.

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Everybody just to paint a picture for you.

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Aaron was wearing a large backpack that was completely full each day and then was carrying around.

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like slightly, it had a good amount of stuff in it that I didn't need the first day.

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But it was definitely, yeah, but it was definitely a necessity.

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I'm glad I had like snacks.

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I'm glad I had like stuff to like hydration.

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Cause again, if you are not prepared for the con floor.

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Should we talk about that really quickly about preparation for the con?

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how you're talking about getting there.

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Step one, deodorant.

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Yeah, please wash yourself.

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Wash yourself.

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And here's the thing, I will never be as judgy again because I always, I put on deodorant every single morning and by the end of it, I was like, God.

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Well, there's one day you were like, smell I'm like, I don't smell you don't smell bad to me.

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So yeah, maybe I don't know.

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That was Thursday.

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That was Thursday.

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I miss your smell, miss your laugh.

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But yeah, so deodorant, shower, take care of your feet, know, Lieutenant Dan rule, wear some good socks, you know.

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I show you I didn't show you my shoes, dude I literally like I'm not kidding just to fast forward to the flight to the the last day of the Kenton Convention Yep, or no, maybe it have been the day before the last day the convention and then but the day on the flight I literally broke my shoes I Have my my converse which are like one of my favorite pairs are like separating like the I little had to find somebody with super glue at the at the cosplay You know like triage booth to super glue my soul together So don't do it, Aaron.

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I bought new shoes.

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I bought some on clouds for this weekend.

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I bought new shoes.

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put the I mean I bought new shoes.

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didn't wear the new shoes, but I had I had uh nice like orthotic inserts that I got from the VA.

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Yep.

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And those were like saving my ass until until my shoes started falling apart, but I was kind of proud of myself too.

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Yeah.

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So if you're going to, here's like a big thing.

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If I can like paint one very big rule for everybody that's listening.

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Life's a garden, dig it, happy accidents, all the things.

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That was Joe Durr and Bob Ross.

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Point being is when you go to San Diego Comic Con, I think with any big con, first of all, come in with a plan, but also expect to not get everything done with that plan.

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Right.

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You can't do everything.

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And if you expect to get everything done, you will overwhelm yourself and you'll be left, you'll feel left without.

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like have a plan, but then be adjustable to the point where if it doesn't work out or if you don't get to everything, you're not upset about it.

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Cause there's always something to do at these conventions.

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Absolutely.

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Is there something Aaron that you wanted to do that you weren't able to do at the show?

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The only thing I wasn't able to do really was get to get to the Tron Aries store.

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Thank you.

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That's like, that's probably number one for me too.

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I didn't get the vinyl, didn't get the shirt, didn't get to get a picture on the life cycle.

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Like I walked by it constantly and every time I walked by it, was completely full.

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picture of it, but I did not get to get so like, I managed to talk to this one lady and at the line, she was like, just come back later.

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I'll see if I can get you a ticket.

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She disappeared.

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get a ticket.

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And then I went and asked somebody who looked like her and she was like, no, that's not possible.

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Get out of here.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Now if everyone who doesn't know, so the Disney folks or Tron folks, they were giving away these Tron exclusive vinyls that's sort of like in a triangle.

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my God.

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red triangles that are so badass.

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They were limited to a thousand.

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So bummed.

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They were also these really cool t-shirts that were sort of like holographic.

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We're going for like $500 on eBay right now.

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And you know, Aaron, we love Tron.

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That's like our big thing.

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It's so surprising that neither one of us got a chance to get one of those.

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But that's how I mean, that goes to show how excited people were for it.

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So for me, something I missed out on that I wanted to get but didn't was Ian Bertram had a Mondo Doom poster that was so badass that I could not just like part of me is like glad that I didn't because Aaron, as you know, and I'm sure as the listeners probably know way too many doom things, but specifically way too many Mondo posters that are not in a frame.

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So probably best that I didn't grab it.

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You do have an obscenely large collection of art that is just not...

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Yeah, it's just it's a problem.

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It's a curse and it's a sickness everybody, but that's one thing I missed also There was a doom figure it was about 175 at Mondo and it was um, was a very they put out this doom Statue not too long ago.

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That was just the normal sort of like on my t-shirt normal looking doom But then they had a variant at the San Diego Comic-Con which was Emperor doom from Secret Wars and like the all-white and then he came with a Thanos skull you from that panel, Arabic panel from Secret Wars.

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So I had like Thanos's skull with his spine attached to it and he had like Doom holding it in his hand.

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Point being, I didn't get either one of those, I'm probably, my wallet's probably happy that I didn't.

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So.

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I tried, one of the things I wanted to do and didn't get to do was I tried to get my Biker Mice from Mars uh signed because the artist from the, I think the artist and the writer from the original comic was there and I just, I was not able, but I did get to meet the guys who were bringing back who who did the Kickstarter, who just recently started a Kickstarter for the new SWATCATS comic that is supposed to be coming out, which I am super pumped.

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I want to hear, here's a funny story.

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I'll make it real quick because I know we want to get to some of this other stuff.

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But I'm literally standing in line and they give out raffle tickets and they're like, okay, 1130 be back here for the raffle.

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I'm like, cool.

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So I run like 30 rows because I was trying to sell some sports cards that I had found some Pokemon cards that I found trying to make some money off of that.

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And I picked them up.

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Finally, the guy was like, ah, yeah, we can't really buy any of these right now because I figured it's hard to go to.

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They probably don't want to buy just like random stuff at Comic Con.

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I got to take it somewhere else and see if I can get somebody to be interested into it.

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So I was like, OK, good.

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That's fine.

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No biggie.

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Just give me the case.

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had to like run back like 30 aisles to get to this one.

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I get back, they start the raffle and I'm not kidding.

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They are calling every number around me.

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Every ticket is going.

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They're like, they're basically, they're giving out this, these challenge coins, these SWAT cat challenge coins.

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And you know how much I love challenge coins.

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I'm not kidding.

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They get down to the last coin.

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There is, no, they get down the last two coins.

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There's two tickets left in there uh and they pull one out and it's not mine.

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Wow.

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And somebody else gets it.

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And I'm like, the funniest fucking thing right now with Hap would be that they pull that last ticket out and it's not mine.

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That would be like just tragically humorous.

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I would not even be, I would not even be mad.

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I would be like, this is perfectly my life encapsulated with like timing and luck.

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Cause Chris, you know, whenever we played Pokemon, I never played anything with like a luck component to it.

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I was so bad.

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Luckily they pulled the last ticket.

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It was mine.

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I got the last coin available and I'm just like, thank God.

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So I walked away with that and that was the greatest thing, but I didn't get my signature.

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So that's sad.

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Well, so sort of keeping on with the daily venture of it all.

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Wednesday, you were off doing your thing there.

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On Wednesday, I had two what not shows, one with God Tale, who's an awesome new sort of newer artist in comics.

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then another book.

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Actually, both of these folks are sort of manga first and then have come over to American Comics.

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God Tale was that.

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And then also Satoshi Shiki, who is sort of making the venture over to comics here soon.

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I heard you might have set some records.

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We did.

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I'm not going to put a number on it because I don't want to be tacky and honestly I don't know if Comic Sketch Art wants to talk about this but San Diego Comic Con was our highest amount we've ever sold.

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And I've been doing this for five years everybody.

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So this is a very big year and honestly I will say that Ryan Ottley was the big reason for that.

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He had a lot sold at the beginning of his first show which was on Thursday.

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Like we sold more in his show on that Thursday than we've sold in some of the smaller shows before.

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All all encompassing.

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So that helped a ton, but yeah, it was a very, very successful show.

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moving on to Thursday though, the day we of course saw each other for the first time, a couple of creators that I got to see, I got to finally meet Matt Edmonds, who is awesome.

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He did a Council of Frogs.

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I also picked up a couple of his, some of his like zines and such, like he has one that's called Those That Inherit the Earth, Trial Plus Error, Daystar, and The Winter King.

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So if you guys aren't familiar with Matt Edmonds, I say go look him up right now.

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We'll have him on the show at some point.

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I already tried to basically weasel him into coming on the show very soon.

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I also got to see a good friend of the show, Zach Morris.

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I'm over there in San Diego.

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Did you him by the bell?

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No, not that one.

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I also got to meet one of my newer favorite artists, Alfredo Cardona.

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I actually got a bunch of original art from him.

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I'll show you Aaron, obviously the listener can't see this, I bought an 11 by 17 Psylocke, all pencils.

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And then I bought a Bangus inspired Dr.

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Doom from like Marvel versus Capcom 2.

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So sick.

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He had an entire roster of those.

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And I of course had to buy the Dr.

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Good one.

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Go look up Alfredo Cardona on Instagram.

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This guy is going to be, I'm talking like Peach Momoko levels of surgeons in the next couple of years with Alfredo.

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is not only is he awesome, but he is insanely talented.

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And I think most importantly, Aaron, he's very, very quick.

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not gonna lie, like I know you, like you know this, I'm not gonna lie about getting emotional and something.

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When I got my first commission ever from Mirka, I literally almost cried because it was so amazing.

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It was my first commission piece ever.

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When he pulled this out and handed it to me, same emotion.

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this is incredible.

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This is like something you would see.

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Like this, for what I paid for it, is insanely amazing.

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The fact that he did it so perfectly around the DC bullet print.

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The bullet logo and just again the Batman and the background with his shoulder.

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This is incredible work I am definitely getting this one.

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This one absolutely graded for like no joke.

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Absolutely.

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And I already told him I am buying a She-Hulk blank because I want him to do a She-Hulk for me because like he just is incredible Does he does he does I mean he does this Batman so that was the thing Chris actually texted me the night before that I went to go Like look for an artist because I was like, hey, I got this Batman or this DC all-in special number one I'm like, who am I gonna get to sketch this?

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Yeah, I had no idea no idea and you know Chris you sent me the the you're like, hey You should check out this guy.

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You should check out Alfredo.

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I was like sure so that day the next day I went over headed started looking at him and I'm like, oh wow, like he does women very well I was like, but I really want to get a Batman on this And I just I went for it and because I trust you like and I and I tell people this all the time I tell people this all the time if you ever if you ever want to know who's gonna make it big as far as the next big artist talk to Chris because I Could I mean it's I he may say that he doesn't know but there the proof is in that collection of art that he has because multiples multiples are done by artists that were like charging like I'm going say this like Peach Momoko, $50 for a little sketch of Toby holding an Infinity Gauntlet and look at her now.

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And there's other, you cannot tell me there are not other examples of what you've chosen, of who you've chosen.

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I mean, it obviously comes from a place of being a fan and like I see these folks on social media.

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I'm like, wow, they're so talented.

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I hope they make it big.

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And then like the business eventually figures it out and they do eventually become big.

00:30:31.092 --> 00:30:34.782
And I don't want to pretend that I'm like some editor like in the making.

00:30:34.782 --> 00:30:40.336
I know I'm like I'm like, saying these creators into becoming, you know, extremely popular.

00:30:40.336 --> 00:30:43.896
But yeah, I mean, it has happened a little, you know, it has happened here and there.

00:30:43.896 --> 00:30:51.877
And I'm just happy for the creators that I've been able to buy stuff from, know, there are three people I think you should keep your radar everybody.

00:30:51.877 --> 00:30:56.931
Keep on your radar is Jesse Lonergan, Alfredo Cardona and Rachda Lin.

00:30:56.931 --> 00:30:59.323
Those are your three people that I think will be big time.

00:30:59.323 --> 00:31:07.354
I mean, I already think that Jesse Lonergan is getting his flowers now, but I think Rachda and Alfredo are going to be big time in the next two to three years.

00:31:07.354 --> 00:31:09.569
They're going to be able to pick any variant they want to pick.

00:31:09.569 --> 00:31:10.781
But I want to move on here a little bit, Aaron.

00:31:10.781 --> 00:31:11.692
Let's move on.

00:31:11.692 --> 00:31:15.041
You know, let's go a bit quicker here even because I want to get to Fantastic Four.

00:31:15.041 --> 00:31:18.248
Thursday we went to go see Fantastic Four, the movie that we're going be talking about today.

00:31:18.248 --> 00:31:20.256
We went to go see it at a private showing.

00:31:20.256 --> 00:31:23.125
We'll actually talk about that during the Fantastic Four, so we'll hold off on that.

00:31:23.125 --> 00:31:26.542
But Friday, anything happen major on Friday that you want to talk about?

00:31:26.542 --> 00:31:27.314
When was your panel?

00:31:27.314 --> 00:31:28.526
Was that Thursday or Friday?

00:31:28.526 --> 00:31:30.586
was Thursday night, five to six p.m.

00:31:30.586 --> 00:31:32.067
It went amazing.

00:31:32.067 --> 00:31:41.319
I had such an awesome like rest of the weekend simply because of the feedback that I got from everybody who was at the panel or on the panel with me.

00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:51.672
Got to sit next to Jake McFarland, got to talk to the Funko people, got to talk to, again, McFarland toys, Funko, Pudgy Penguins, which apparently is not exactly what I thought it was at all.

00:31:51.672 --> 00:31:53.432
Dave Stamberger was on that panel as well.

00:31:53.432 --> 00:31:53.692
Yeah.

00:31:53.692 --> 00:31:54.690
He added the story.

00:31:54.690 --> 00:31:56.817
distillery, what is it called?

00:31:56.817 --> 00:32:00.223
Ichiban, Nichiko Ichiban.

00:32:00.223 --> 00:32:02.559
the neon ichiban or something like that.

00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:23.272
And then the other one was David Yoon from Vivi Collectibles, is just like that company is like disgustingly rich, which is awesome because I got to have, we got to do a post panel dinner after the con and it was just incredible getting to sit down with all these people and brainstorm and talk to them, you know, and I've been emailing actually with a few of them and messaging with them on Twitter.

00:32:23.272 --> 00:32:24.423
So it's just been incredible.

00:32:24.423 --> 00:32:28.236
yeah, like, you know, hopefully those, those networking.

00:32:28.298 --> 00:33:14.257
Options like will turn into something that'll be really cool because I plan on doing some more stuff in this space But yeah, I mean really honestly Friday So really the rest of the weekend for me was again just meeting up with people that I enjoy seeing I went and saw, know David Desmalchian doing a panel about his new book through and then You know hung out, you know, Leah Kilpatrick saw her went by and saw uh Caitlin Nash over at Dark Horse Good friend of show, Kaelin got a book signed, I took like three books for one of the guys in my community or in the community of the fanable community and got, know, Hayden Sherman to sign uh two books and then Jeff Lemire to, no, I'm sorry, Hayden Sherman to sign one book, Jeff Lemire to sign two books.

00:33:14.257 --> 00:33:17.417
Met up with the Supple Boys.

00:33:17.422 --> 00:33:19.398
Oh, I got to see Griffin and Ethan.

00:33:19.398 --> 00:33:19.728
Yep.

00:33:19.728 --> 00:33:24.151
to see Griffin and Ethan had a great conversation with them in the IDW line.

00:33:24.151 --> 00:33:25.311
one of my Godzilla books signed.

00:33:25.311 --> 00:33:29.585
Yeah, just again, it's all about like running into people saying hi.

00:33:29.605 --> 00:33:37.851
You know, again, all the artists over there, Scott Snyder, uh know, Capullo, ah Pinochian, like all those guys are just amazing people.

00:33:37.851 --> 00:33:42.294
uh Ottley, obviously, you know, um I even messaged...

00:33:42.294 --> 00:33:47.817
uh Michelle Ryan's wife, because I was like, why have you not been in any show?

00:33:47.817 --> 00:33:50.758
She's like, ah, you know, I'll be probably in New York Comic Con.

00:33:50.817 --> 00:33:52.617
you know, just excited to see her.

00:33:52.617 --> 00:33:55.698
Like, again, it's just all about making friends in this community and talking to people.

00:33:55.698 --> 00:33:56.269
I love it.

00:33:56.269 --> 00:33:58.230
Yeah, comics is a small world everybody.

00:33:58.230 --> 00:34:00.049
know probably people listening to this know that.

00:34:00.049 --> 00:34:05.690
But Friday I went to the Eisners with Brad and Lisa Gullickson, good friends of the show, book couples counseling.

00:34:05.750 --> 00:34:06.609
Nerds.

00:34:06.630 --> 00:34:10.070
Also Lance Watkins from the comic book, sorry, comic book keepers.

00:34:10.190 --> 00:34:14.449
Also, Jeremy Snow and then up and coming artists who I think will also be a big time.

00:34:14.449 --> 00:34:14.969
Iman Winkle.

00:34:14.969 --> 00:34:17.389
We all went to the Eisners together and that was a ton of fun.

00:34:17.389 --> 00:34:21.730
Then we went to karaoke that night saying, all American rejects gives you hell.

00:34:21.730 --> 00:34:22.469
It went over really well.

00:34:22.469 --> 00:34:23.750
The crowd loved it.

00:34:23.750 --> 00:34:27.820
Here's, I'm just going to list through some of the creators that I actually hosted a what not show with over the weekend.

00:34:27.820 --> 00:34:32.340
So the folks I already mentioned, plus Rach Delin, Mitch Garrods was a lot of fun.

00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:35.001
I got to talk to Trad Moore.

00:34:35.001 --> 00:34:38.523
I didn't do a what not show, but got to hang out with Chad Moore for a bit on Friday.

00:34:38.523 --> 00:34:39.543
So that was amazing.

00:34:39.543 --> 00:34:41.943
Got a really cool print from him.

00:34:41.943 --> 00:34:43.134
Just one of my all time favorites.

00:34:43.134 --> 00:34:46.885
Everybody don't know if anyone knows this, but Trad Moore, an all timer for me.

00:34:46.885 --> 00:34:52.994
Got to hang out with Timothy Zahn, a writer of a lot of the Star Wars novels from the 90s, did a what not show with him.

00:34:52.994 --> 00:34:57.056
Got to hang out with Kurt Pearce, who we found on the show, good friend of the show, also just good friend in general.

00:34:57.056 --> 00:34:58.516
Got to have drinks with him that night.

00:34:58.516 --> 00:35:00.817
Got to hang out with uh Brett Bean.

00:35:00.817 --> 00:35:01.648
Got to see Brian K.

00:35:01.648 --> 00:35:02.217
Vaughn.

00:35:02.217 --> 00:35:04.559
I got to go to his panel as well, which was amazing.

00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.769
Got to see Sean Egger, the marketing director over at Distillery.

00:35:07.769 --> 00:35:08.369
He was awesome.

00:35:08.369 --> 00:35:10.581
Dan Panosian, like you said, got a whatnot show with him.

00:35:10.581 --> 00:35:12.282
He's one of the coolest folks in comics.

00:35:12.282 --> 00:35:16.063
Aaron, you know that I like to bring my blank Superman cover to each show.

00:35:16.063 --> 00:35:18.353
Who'd you get?

00:35:18.353 --> 00:35:19.255
It was Brett Bean.

00:35:19.255 --> 00:35:19.804
he was.

00:35:19.804 --> 00:35:20.045
nice.

00:35:20.045 --> 00:35:22.670
For everyone who doesn't go look up Brett Bean, he's got a very like.

00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:24.230
sort of Scotty Young style.

00:35:24.230 --> 00:35:26.230
also did, he did, I Hate Fairyland.

00:35:26.230 --> 00:35:31.409
Got to hang out with Michael Schwartz, who had a booth right across the way from us with Clover Press.

00:35:31.409 --> 00:35:32.690
I mean, I mean, the list goes on and on.

00:35:32.690 --> 00:35:33.889
It was, was just so much fun.

00:35:33.889 --> 00:35:37.130
We actually got to hang out on Saturday night, Aaron, is that correct?

00:35:37.130 --> 00:35:38.329
Yeah, we got to hang out on Saturday night.

00:35:38.329 --> 00:35:41.949
Got to hang out with Kenny Myers, Soon to Be, one of our favorite people in the world.

00:35:41.949 --> 00:35:43.570
Keep an eye out for Sweet Shop, everybody.

00:35:43.570 --> 00:35:44.690
Very excited for that.

00:35:44.690 --> 00:35:47.710
So yeah, let's sort of end the conversation about San Diego.

00:35:47.710 --> 00:35:57.166
I'm talking about Top three things that you bought or possibly saw at the show or just experienced like just give me a top three overall things of San Diego.

00:35:57.166 --> 00:36:02.226
Really, honestly, the biggest thing was this blank, getting this commission done.

00:36:02.666 --> 00:36:03.405
Alfredo.

00:36:03.405 --> 00:36:05.005
Yeah, from Alfredo.

00:36:05.005 --> 00:36:08.565
I got my Batman Spawn, my personal edition.

00:36:08.565 --> 00:36:11.065
I got that signed by Frank Miller.

00:36:11.306 --> 00:36:11.706
Amazing.

00:36:11.706 --> 00:36:13.286
That was such a pain in the ass.

00:36:13.286 --> 00:36:16.846
then, Frank Miller, it's such a pain in the ass to get it.

00:36:16.846 --> 00:36:18.505
Like, I had literally hours to wait.

00:36:18.505 --> 00:36:20.925
And the other thing was I got my two M.

00:36:20.925 --> 00:36:24.407
Bison books that I got, signed by David Del Smoshen.

00:36:24.407 --> 00:36:27.985
Everyone David Dossbosch is gonna be Bison in the upcoming Street Fighter book.

00:36:27.985 --> 00:36:28.942
I'm be kidding.

00:36:28.942 --> 00:36:32.601
Yeah, I decided just to like, you know, get ahead of the game and get it done.

00:36:32.601 --> 00:36:40.942
know, And then the other thing was, you know, I had to get this is my my John Boy Meyers Battle Beast number one that I pulled from the blind bag.

00:36:40.942 --> 00:36:45.101
was the one book that I want the one cover I wanted from the blind bag and I got it.

00:36:45.101 --> 00:36:50.121
And I took it to John Boy Meyers, his booth, because I apparently has the same booth every year.

00:36:50.121 --> 00:36:56.141
But last year or the last time I went, which was twenty twenty three, I had no idea, I guess, who he was and I didn't see his booth.

00:36:56.878 --> 00:36:58.137
But that was that was cool.

00:36:58.137 --> 00:37:00.958
I got to talk to him, had a really good conversation with him.

00:37:00.958 --> 00:37:02.958
However, he did because this is a one in one hundred.

00:37:02.958 --> 00:37:05.277
He did charge one hundred dollars to sign it.

00:37:06.237 --> 00:37:07.097
Yeah.

00:37:19.233 --> 00:37:22.635
It wasn't actually I went back because I was like, you know what?

00:37:23.797 --> 00:37:25.635
I thought about it because I thought about it.

00:37:25.635 --> 00:37:26.539
I got Ryan.

00:37:26.539 --> 00:37:28.791
Where else am I going to get this like double signed?

00:37:28.791 --> 00:37:42.773
You know, and I figured like if I do if this again, I'm learning about investment because that's what that's what you have taught me about some of this art and things like that is this obviously is a huge thing like anything that Ryan Ottley these guys put the invincible universe put their name on.

00:37:42.773 --> 00:37:43.603
It's going to be huge.

00:37:43.603 --> 00:37:44.835
This is a one in one hundred.

00:37:44.835 --> 00:38:18.809
There's going to be probably not too many of these that are going to get Graded and double signed and so down the if I decide to sell it It'll be just worth that much more because of the you know of the incentives and who knows maybe I'll even be able to get somebody else to do it But I'm not too worried about I got the two signature on I want and that was really about it Never fucking run into Kirkman man I have like like never like you got to run to Alex Ross one time and that was like I never get to run in anybody I never get to run anybody that I intentionally need to run into like Todd McFarlane How the fuck am I supposed to get this book signed by Todd McFarlane?

00:38:18.809 --> 00:38:22.702
You stand in that line, like very similar to your Frank Miller situation for both those guys.

00:38:22.702 --> 00:38:26.735
If you want to get signature from Kirkman or McFarland, prepare to.

00:38:26.735 --> 00:38:35.440
Also, rule, another rule everybody, bring one of those like makeshift stools that you can like sort of put over your shoulder because when you're standing in line, can, you can sit, you know, there's like.

00:38:35.442 --> 00:38:53.561
it was was 60 bucks on Amazon I bought a it was it's a it's a rolly cart like a basket That it's collapsible so you can travel with it But the has a seat that put pops on the top perfect and it can hold up to like 350 250 pounds So I was like boom done.

00:38:53.561 --> 00:38:57.481
I didn't get here till the day that I left and I had left at 6 a.m.

00:38:57.481 --> 00:39:01.617
Mother That Okay, top three things that I got.

00:39:01.617 --> 00:39:04.777
So while waiting in line at the Image booth to see Brian K.

00:39:04.777 --> 00:39:14.478
Vaughn and Marcos Martín, good friend of the show, he's been on the show, he's the VP of development over Image Comics, Jim Viscardi, he goes, hey, take this.

00:39:14.478 --> 00:39:21.478
And he handed me, Aaron, a brand new hardcover of Brian and Marcos' Private Eye, which is an incredible book.

00:39:21.478 --> 00:39:22.217
Oh, cool.

00:39:22.217 --> 00:39:24.697
He just handed it to me and said, hey, here you go.

00:39:24.697 --> 00:39:27.615
And then obviously Brian and Marcos both...

00:39:27.615 --> 00:39:28.887
signed it as well.

00:39:28.887 --> 00:39:29.956
that was really, really cool.

00:39:29.956 --> 00:39:38.291
And also just like getting to hear Brian talk for an hour during his panel, he revealed the cover for the saga, hardcover volume four, which is incredible.

00:39:38.291 --> 00:39:39.391
Very excited for that.

00:39:39.391 --> 00:39:42.594
Just getting to see Brian again was really awesome.

00:39:42.594 --> 00:39:44.675
Just, you know, he's my all time favorite.

00:39:44.875 --> 00:39:53.190
Trad, speaking of all time favorites, getting to meet him and getting to shake his hand and buying that print and getting to chat with him for like 30 minutes, not even 30 minutes, that's too long.

00:39:53.190 --> 00:40:01.400
But I will say, Aaron, you know, when you're like standing in line to see a creator and you've got these people who were just stand there and chat forever with the creator.

00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:02.791
And I don't blame the creator at all.

00:40:02.791 --> 00:40:04.452
I'm listening to, I'm talking to the fans here.

00:40:04.452 --> 00:40:08.985
Fans, if you're listening, don't stand there and talk to the creator for 30 minutes.

00:40:08.985 --> 00:40:09.864
Okay?

00:40:09.864 --> 00:40:13.226
That being said, do what I say, don't do what I do.

00:40:13.226 --> 00:40:16.228
I sit there and talk to Chad for like probably 15 minutes.

00:40:16.228 --> 00:40:22.422
And I felt so bad afterwards, but we were having a great conversation and it was, it was sort of, it was like talking to Jesus.

00:40:22.422 --> 00:40:23.793
It was, it was like magical.

00:40:23.793 --> 00:40:24.373
felt.

00:40:24.373 --> 00:40:25.175
I was floating.

00:40:25.175 --> 00:40:27.795
was on one knee, but I was floating in the air everybody.

00:40:27.795 --> 00:40:28.846
So that was really cool.

00:40:28.846 --> 00:40:36.960
And then like I said, the Alfredo Cardona two originals that I got, plus the Ratchadlin Pokemon that I'll, I posted pictures online if everybody wants to see that.

00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:44.425
The Pokemon jam piece that I'm getting from Ratchadlin, all the original art, I'll just say broadly, original art that I bought, absolutely just so phenomenal.

00:40:44.425 --> 00:40:45.985
Just loved all of it.

00:40:45.985 --> 00:40:51.548
Very, very close, Aaron, to buying a second Usagi Ojembo from Stansakai and held off.

00:40:51.548 --> 00:40:54.130
So cooler heads prevailed, I will say.

00:40:54.217 --> 00:41:00.264
Yeah, I definitely like I said, I'm excited and I love everything that I've that I got to bring home.

00:41:00.577 --> 00:41:11.579
I actually wanted to while we while we get ready to transition into the review of Fantastic Four, I want to open this keepsake edition invincible comic con exclusive blind box.

00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:15.659
Live, live on, what are they Unboxing, uh a pack rip.

00:41:15.659 --> 00:41:18.934
Yeah look at an ASMR type thing.

00:41:18.934 --> 00:41:22.610
One hand number exclusive card for Pac, season one premiere edition.

00:41:22.610 --> 00:41:24.349
here we opened that up.

00:41:24.349 --> 00:41:29.905
will say a couple of people I missed off Hayden Sherman was somebody that also interviewed jock speaking of got to interview him.

00:41:29.905 --> 00:41:33.728
Bill gets Evilly and Matt Lopez got to interview both of them on whatnot.

00:41:33.728 --> 00:41:37.704
So all of them were absolutely wonderful and just so cool to hang out with.

00:41:37.704 --> 00:41:45.789
So I'm so jealous that you got to hang out with Bilkis because just, again, I was, I wanted to, I actually, you know, that's another thing.

00:41:45.789 --> 00:41:52.173
I got to speak to uh Mitch about, you know, about Mr.

00:41:52.173 --> 00:41:55.235
Miracle and the woman of tomorrow.

00:41:57.117 --> 00:42:00.778
But yeah, point being, like, loved it.

00:42:00.778 --> 00:42:02.478
Had a great time talking to them.

00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:03.630
is the best.

00:42:03.630 --> 00:42:04.313
He's such a nice guy.

00:42:04.313 --> 00:42:08.864
And I love his passion, how much he loves his kids and like, buying Pokemon stuff for his kids.

00:42:10.126 --> 00:42:11.706
I just follow social media.

00:42:12.047 --> 00:42:12.608
I'm still up.

00:42:12.608 --> 00:42:14.168
I finally got the little tag off.

00:42:14.168 --> 00:42:14.931
Okay.

00:42:14.931 --> 00:42:16.878
Now explain how you got this pack here.

00:42:16.878 --> 00:42:21.978
Yeah, so I basically stood in line and had to stand in line, spin a wheel to open it.

00:42:21.978 --> 00:42:25.858
I'm hoping I'm actually not opening the wrong one, but fuck it if I am.

00:42:26.297 --> 00:42:26.978
Let's see.

00:42:26.978 --> 00:42:32.206
Oh, I got a 67 out of 100 CC3 Adam and Eve.

00:42:32.206 --> 00:42:33.585
Okay, so it comes with like an axe.

00:42:33.585 --> 00:42:36.126
Is this graded or is it plastic?

00:42:36.204 --> 00:42:38.217
Yeah, it's like, you know, like all these companies are doing it.

00:42:38.217 --> 00:42:44.992
So it's like they're it's character laser sine graph the season one something Adam Eve.

00:42:44.992 --> 00:42:46.306
It's like, yeah.

00:42:46.306 --> 00:42:48.242
worth it to open that live on the show.

00:42:49.815 --> 00:42:52.650
All right, moving on to San Diego Comic Con 2025.

00:42:52.650 --> 00:42:54.190
Absolutely incredible.

00:42:54.251 --> 00:42:55.693
Just a wonderful time.

00:42:55.693 --> 00:43:00.478
Again, it just refills my lifeblood and I look forward to it every single year.

00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.661
And it's incredible.

00:43:01.661 --> 00:43:04.405
Aaron, anything last, any last things you want to say about San Diego before we move on?

00:43:04.405 --> 00:43:05.739
uh Really?

00:43:05.739 --> 00:43:07.610
I'm just, you know, I had such a great time.

00:43:07.610 --> 00:43:10.126
I wish that, yes, I wish that you and I got to hang out more.

00:43:10.126 --> 00:43:12.346
My biggest regret is us not getting to hang out more.

00:43:12.346 --> 00:43:34.764
It's mostly like the biggest thing behind that is just that you and I are like we are like this time was different because we were there on like a mission I had to do work while you were working the entire time So that's just like normally like last time I say like normally other cons I'm just running around constantly bothering you but I'm trying to come back to you in the midst of me working and like you're working doing shows and stuff So it's just like, know, just didn't work out.

00:43:34.764 --> 00:43:36.139
Unfortunately That's all right.

00:43:36.139 --> 00:43:38.000
We'll figure out a method here soon.

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.061
ah OK.

00:43:39.061 --> 00:43:42.985
Let's go and move on to our conversation about Fantastic Four First Steps.

00:43:47.295 --> 00:43:50.248
Alrighty, let's talk about Fantastic Four First Steps.

00:43:50.248 --> 00:43:55.994
Spoilers ahead, if you have not seen Fantastic Four First Steps, please pause this, go watch the film, and then come back.

00:43:55.994 --> 00:43:58.777
This is gonna be pretty loose evergreen conversation about the film.

00:43:58.777 --> 00:44:02.612
Aaron, initial thoughts on Fantastic Four.

00:44:02.670 --> 00:44:03.298
Pretty good.

00:44:03.298 --> 00:44:04.789
Better than expected.

00:44:04.789 --> 00:44:06.405
you were expecting something not as great.

00:44:06.405 --> 00:44:06.956
Why is that?

00:44:06.956 --> 00:44:11.438
Is it just sort of how you're feeling about the larger MCU or is it just specifically?

00:44:12.045 --> 00:44:21.393
I think with the kind of reception of Thunderbolts, I was kind of worried because people are like, this is the greatest thing since Endgame.

00:44:21.393 --> 00:44:23.835
This is the greatest thing since the Infinity War saga.

00:44:23.835 --> 00:44:24.496
Not true.

00:44:24.496 --> 00:44:35.505
So, you know, I was like, if that's where they're basing their excitement at, I am not prepared for how bad Fantastic Four could be.

00:44:35.505 --> 00:44:40.780
uh But again, you know, for me, a lot of the time, I'm always worried about...

00:44:40.954 --> 00:44:58.878
movie kind of being a little bit too predictable and generally that's like a worry for me in a lot of cases with with film but this was not this is not that way like a lot of things I was hoping it or thinking we were gonna see we didn't see Yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm starting to go to these films for the cliches and the characters.

00:44:58.878 --> 00:45:02.579
But I will say that, like, I really wanted this to be amazing.

00:45:02.579 --> 00:45:06.623
And although, you know, Superman was my most anticipated film of the year.

00:45:06.623 --> 00:45:11.076
I know, Aaron, you know this, the listeners probably know this, the guy currently wearing a Dr.

00:45:11.076 --> 00:45:14.969
Doom shirt and the guy with the Silver Surfer tattoo on his arm.

00:45:14.969 --> 00:45:17.230
One of this one of this movie just stick the landing.

00:45:17.230 --> 00:45:17.610
Of course.

00:45:17.610 --> 00:45:17.782
Right.

00:45:17.782 --> 00:45:18.751
That makes sense.

00:45:18.751 --> 00:45:23.034
But I mean, the truth is, First Steps is sometimes inspiring.

00:45:23.264 --> 00:45:29.778
sometimes surprisingly cheap looking, pretty charming, but mostly just a fine Marvel movie.

00:45:29.898 --> 00:45:33.862
And Aaron, you know my gauge of rating is fine or fun.

00:45:33.862 --> 00:45:35.423
And this was fine.

00:45:35.423 --> 00:45:36.344
It was fun.

00:45:36.344 --> 00:45:40.786
was actually, I would say it was like kind of fun, but mostly fine.

00:45:40.987 --> 00:45:43.635
In the Chris rating barometer, right?

00:45:43.635 --> 00:45:52.793
Yes, it was, it was, I want to say for, for lack of a better word, it was slightly better than innocuous.

00:45:53.646 --> 00:45:59.045
You know really bums me out about this is that the average at bats from Marvel are just becoming more frequent.

00:45:59.045 --> 00:46:06.326
And the days of phase two and phase three and I mean, those seem like an eternity away from where we are currently, right?

00:46:06.326 --> 00:46:10.385
Like we're like, we were getting repeated bangers and like every once in while we get a pretty average one.

00:46:10.385 --> 00:46:14.485
even like, I would say those average ones kind of feel like this fantastic four one.

00:46:14.485 --> 00:46:20.224
And I want to like fully, like a large disclaimer here for everybody.

00:46:20.224 --> 00:46:21.213
I had fun with it, right?

00:46:21.213 --> 00:46:22.005
Like I've seen it twice.

00:46:22.005 --> 00:46:28.820
Aaron will talk about when we saw it in San Diego, Olivia and I went to go see it two days ago at the Alamo Draft House here in Indianapolis.

00:46:29.141 --> 00:46:34.306
And I remember thinking like, I liked it a lot more the second time around when we went to go see it there in San Diego.

00:46:34.306 --> 00:46:38.389
I was left maybe slightly demoralized a little bit by it.

00:46:38.389 --> 00:46:39.268
Maybe.

00:46:39.650 --> 00:46:41.751
But I think it's like, I think that's where I'm at now.

00:46:41.751 --> 00:46:48.806
And I think this is important for people to remember and maybe adapt in your own sort of movie going experiences that go see a movie twice.

00:46:48.806 --> 00:46:49.898
If you feel like.

00:46:49.931 --> 00:46:52.844
a movie that you're really excited for just didn't hit stick the landing.

00:46:52.844 --> 00:46:59.998
Go see it again, you know, or wait till it comes out on Disney plus or on streaming or what have you and watch it again before you really make your mind up.

00:46:59.998 --> 00:47:03.900
Because had we had a review right after that first one, I'd be tearing into this movie.

00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:06.271
I think maybe you wrongfully.

00:47:06.271 --> 00:47:07.030
Right.

00:47:07.030 --> 00:47:08.672
But I think this movie is pretty fun.

00:47:08.672 --> 00:47:13.855
think it I think it hits all the beats that it was trying to but not like in a home run way.

00:47:13.855 --> 00:47:14.204
Right.

00:47:14.204 --> 00:47:16.657
Like the way Superman, we saw the cracks in the wall.

00:47:16.657 --> 00:47:16.847
Right.

00:47:16.847 --> 00:47:22.036
We saw the issues, but like The parts that hit, it hit really well.

00:47:22.036 --> 00:47:30.128
And it hit with that like triumphant, incredible score, like that Superman, dun, dun, dun, like it hit with that kind of level of gravity.

00:47:30.128 --> 00:47:39.289
This, I feel like it mostly hit more than missed, but it felt all sort of milk toast through the Marvel machine type of, right?

00:47:39.289 --> 00:47:39.668
You know what mean?

00:47:39.668 --> 00:47:41.672
Like it just kind of felt like, I don't know.

00:47:41.672 --> 00:47:43.862
Well, I guess we'll, maybe it'll reveal itself.

00:47:43.862 --> 00:47:47.393
I feel like I'm spinning my wheels a little bit and maybe I'm not properly.

00:47:47.436 --> 00:47:49.518
articulating what I had problems with.

00:47:49.518 --> 00:47:54.541
I think, I mean, that's the problem with something that's slightly, again, just above innocuous.

00:47:54.541 --> 00:48:03.128
Like it's not, it's hard to complain about something that wasn't terrible, but it's hard to also like, it's hard to celebrate something that wasn't as spectacular as it could have been.

00:48:03.128 --> 00:48:03.538
Right.

00:48:03.538 --> 00:48:06.320
We should approach these things, I think, from fans.

00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.451
Again, this is a comic book podcast overall.

00:48:08.451 --> 00:48:12.583
Obviously, we talk about movies and television and video games, anime and a bunch of other stuff.

00:48:12.583 --> 00:48:18.286
But I think at its core, we really center a lot of our conversations around superheroes and comic books and things like that.

00:48:18.286 --> 00:48:22.969
So it's important that we approach this with a certain level of nuance and go, yeah, I love the Fantastic Four.

00:48:22.969 --> 00:48:24.150
I love Silver Surfer.

00:48:24.150 --> 00:48:25.829
I love Doctor Doom.

00:48:26.251 --> 00:48:37.461
But I love those characters in the comics to automatically attribute those that love to those characters in this movie, I feel would be a disingenuous approach.

00:48:37.461 --> 00:48:41.702
It would be excusing an average film for being average.

00:48:41.742 --> 00:48:43.322
And I don't want to do that.

00:48:43.342 --> 00:48:44.681
we'll get into it more here.

00:48:44.681 --> 00:48:46.262
Aaron, go ahead and talk about the summary here.

00:48:46.262 --> 00:48:50.981
Again, if people are listening to this, they probably know what the movie is about, but just for the layman, let's do the summary.

00:48:51.115 --> 00:49:03.135
Set against the vibrant backdrop of the 1960s inspired retro futuristic world, First Steps follows Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm as they face their most daunting challenge yet.

00:49:03.135 --> 00:49:07.139
Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond.

00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:15.054
While the world loves them, they must now defend Earth from a ravenous space god Galactus and his enigmatic herald Silver Surfer.

00:49:15.054 --> 00:49:19.038
I like should be doing that bum bum bum bum in the background as you're doing that.

00:49:19.038 --> 00:49:23.362
Again, we sort of tease it a moment ago when talking about San Diego, but let's talk about when we saw the film.

00:49:23.362 --> 00:49:29.009
We went to go see it on Thursday at the Ultra Star Cinema in San Diego.

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What did you think of that theater first off before we get in the movie?

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It was kind of run down a little bit, right?

00:49:33.934 --> 00:49:35.815
Like, not run down, but it just was not updated.

00:49:35.815 --> 00:49:37.931
It felt like a movie theater from the 90s.

00:49:37.931 --> 00:49:42.190
It felt like, honestly, it felt like somebody's theater in their home.

00:49:42.259 --> 00:49:43.001
Sure.

00:49:43.001 --> 00:49:43.463
Yeah.

00:49:43.463 --> 00:49:43.795
Yeah.

00:49:43.795 --> 00:49:44.728
I could see that.

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But we did get to see it with like all of the comic sketch art.

00:49:48.152 --> 00:49:50.579
Yeah, a bunch of artists like, Shermo's there.

00:49:50.579 --> 00:49:52.726
That's Snyder.

00:49:52.726 --> 00:49:53.097
Yeah.

00:49:53.097 --> 00:49:54.405
uh Williamson.

00:49:54.405 --> 00:49:56.996
Zahn.

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He was there.

00:49:59.034 --> 00:50:02.378
Mitch Garrett.

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Most of our big artists for Comic Sketch Art were there that night.

00:50:05.259 --> 00:50:08.018
was really cool to sort of see the movie with them.

00:50:08.018 --> 00:50:10.969
Aaron, this is the 37th film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

00:50:10.969 --> 00:50:14.021
I don't know why we keep keeping track of that, but we do.

00:50:14.021 --> 00:50:16.554
And this also commences Phase 6.

00:50:16.824 --> 00:50:22.061
So this is gonna basically lead right into Spider-Man brand new day, which is eventually gonna lead into Doomsday.

00:50:22.126 --> 00:50:29.983
Have we talked, have they talked about what brand new day is supposed to, cause like I recently, I didn't even know that that was the, was the new title for it.

00:50:29.983 --> 00:50:30.333
It is.

00:50:30.333 --> 00:50:30.625
Yeah.

00:50:30.625 --> 00:50:41.005
So it's basically the next it's the start of the next trilogy for Tom Holland, which of course, but I think this is supposed to take place in between Doomsday and Secret Wars.

00:50:41.005 --> 00:50:42.266
That's my understanding.

00:50:42.266 --> 00:50:48.552
But it's not going to directly attribute whatever's happening in Doomsday because I don't think Spider-Man is going to be appearing much in Doomsday.

00:50:48.552 --> 00:50:48.882
OK.

00:50:48.882 --> 00:50:51.074
So and again, we shouldn't.

00:50:51.074 --> 00:50:51.384
Yeah.

00:50:51.384 --> 00:50:53.976
I mean, we don't really know what Doomsday and Secret Wars is about.

00:50:53.976 --> 00:50:55.030
We can guess.

00:50:55.030 --> 00:51:17.324
Yeah, we're in such weird territory right now, you know, because like we're in a place right now where a lot of our our favorite mutant not mutants our favorite like superheroes Yeah, we have no idea what their status is like and if we do it's it's it's Where the fuck is worse Wongers?

00:51:17.786 --> 00:51:19.726
Yes, where are the Eternals man?

00:51:19.726 --> 00:51:26.764
Like I'm wondering right now like like just my biggest my biggest thing right now is like, okay So you got Spider-Man.

00:51:26.925 --> 00:51:27.657
You got Dr.

00:51:27.657 --> 00:51:27.875
Doom.

00:51:27.875 --> 00:51:29.170
You got all these characters coming up.

00:51:29.170 --> 00:51:34.273
But right now we're in a place where no other Spider-Man has gone this long as Spider-Man.

00:51:34.273 --> 00:51:38.202
Yeah, yeah, Tom Holland is officially, I'd say, longest 10-year Spider-Man, right?

00:51:38.202 --> 00:51:42.565
So it's like there's like all these things that are just like it's such like I'm uncomfortable.

00:51:42.565 --> 00:52:15.862
I don't know what to feel I don't know where to look I put my hands so like that's that's how I feel like that's why I'm constantly taking notes now because like I feel like I am losing track yeah of where these stories are going and I'm that it's become a Different concern not it not it not the a new concern but not also like on the stack of concerns not a pile of concerns Yeah, but there's just this like annexed concern about are we losing the singularity, are we losing our place?

00:52:16.007 --> 00:52:18.132
I Marvel has lost the plot.

00:52:18.132 --> 00:52:19.766
They lost the plot during COVID, I think.

00:52:19.766 --> 00:52:21.831
And that's why you feel so disconnected.

00:52:21.831 --> 00:52:23.146
That's also why.

00:52:23.170 --> 00:52:45.545
When we lost King! That's definitely something but from my understanding and again this just could be PR spin Kevin Feige has come out and said that like they were going to drift away from Kang regardless He was gonna be a bigger part of this Marvel of like doomsday when they change the name from doomsday They were going to keep Kang as part of the story, but then the stuff came out about you know The actor who was playing Kang at the time.

00:52:45.545 --> 00:52:46.960
Should we say his name?

00:52:47.521 --> 00:52:48.211
Why not?

00:52:48.211 --> 00:52:50.264
don't know Okay.

00:52:50.264 --> 00:52:56.396
Yeah Jonathan majors, you know, he has been I think exonerated for most of it if not all of it but like, think he's done with the MCU.

00:52:56.396 --> 00:52:58.568
Point being is that it feels disconnected, right?

00:52:58.568 --> 00:53:04.295
Like leading up to Infinity War, it all felt like it was all leading to Thanos.

00:53:04.295 --> 00:53:08.699
Right now, we just, mean, spoilers for the end of this film, we're seeing Dr.

00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:12.074
Doom for the first time, kind of, at the end of this movie.

00:53:12.074 --> 00:53:12.974
You know what mean?

00:53:12.974 --> 00:53:14.668
oh That was kind of annoying.

00:53:14.668 --> 00:53:15.679
Well, yeah, we'll get to it.

00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:22.043
like, yeah, that's like the one of the most annoying things ever is that like this larger threat that we've been leading to we have not seen yet.

00:53:22.043 --> 00:53:23.954
So how can we even care at that point?

00:53:23.954 --> 00:53:26.126
Let's think back really quickly in the Infinity Saga.

00:53:26.126 --> 00:53:33.731
We had seen Thanos at the end of Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy Avengers and Age of Ultron.

00:53:33.731 --> 00:53:36.963
And then we saw him, I guess, kind of at the end of Thor Ragnarok, but not really.

00:53:36.963 --> 00:53:37.594
We saw a ship.

00:53:37.594 --> 00:53:39.795
But point being is that like we knew the threat was coming.

00:53:39.795 --> 00:53:45.335
And not to mention, we know the Infinity Stones are like the larger goal for Thanos and his quest, right?

00:53:45.335 --> 00:53:48.237
So what is the quest of Dr.

00:53:48.237 --> 00:53:48.527
Doom?

00:53:48.527 --> 00:53:58.186
I mean, we didn't, we don't have to noodle on this too long, but I'm just curious, like from your perspective, as the stories currently stands, what we know without looking at like spoilers, cause those are out there.

00:53:58.186 --> 00:53:59.097
What is Dr.

00:53:59.097 --> 00:54:01.409
Doom's larger goal going into doomsday?

00:54:01.409 --> 00:54:02.534
We already know.

00:54:02.590 --> 00:54:03.146
I already know.

00:54:03.146 --> 00:54:03.692
What is it?

00:54:03.692 --> 00:54:05.824
Is it a smooch from Sue Storm?

00:54:05.824 --> 00:54:07.525
No, it's power.

00:54:07.525 --> 00:54:08.106
It's power.

00:54:08.106 --> 00:54:14.730
Like he found out like he probably so first off, we'll get in this again about about Fantastic Four.

00:54:14.730 --> 00:54:19.923
We don't know because the entire time they're showing like the UN, all the seats are full except for Latveria.

00:54:19.923 --> 00:54:20.353
Right.

00:54:20.353 --> 00:54:21.664
Latveria is not there.

00:54:21.664 --> 00:54:22.556
Is that supposed to be Dr.

00:54:22.556 --> 00:54:23.385
Doom's seat?

00:54:23.385 --> 00:54:24.054
We don't know.

00:54:24.054 --> 00:54:24.987
I don't know.

00:54:24.987 --> 00:54:27.608
But like we just know that Latveria is not there.

00:54:27.608 --> 00:54:28.940
Then we finally see Dr.

00:54:28.940 --> 00:54:41.181
Doom in the in the post credit or mid credit scene and he's talking to Franklin Richards because obviously Everybody in the world now knows that this kid is important for some reason to a cosmic God, a cosmic entity.

00:54:41.181 --> 00:54:42.181
Okay.

00:54:42.481 --> 00:54:44.123
We also know that Dr.

00:54:44.123 --> 00:54:50.166
Doom, because of what battle world or whatever it was, wants the power from, from Galactus.

00:54:50.166 --> 00:54:54.849
So now we know there's a connection between Franklin Richards, Galactus, and Dr.

00:54:54.849 --> 00:54:56.130
Doom wants that power.

00:54:56.130 --> 00:55:07.574
So now he's going to be trying to do whatever he can to either figure out how to get that power out of Franklin or how to get to Galactus to get that power from him to make him stronger.

00:55:07.574 --> 00:55:09.456
So that's the fucking plot.

00:55:10.262 --> 00:55:12.293
Are we under the assumption that when Dr.

00:55:12.293 --> 00:55:22.393
Doom steals this power from Franklin, which I mean, we could, it's safe to assume that that's what's going to happen and that's how he's going to sort of achieve his emperor doomness, his God, God, God hood or whatever.

00:55:22.393 --> 00:55:27.387
Is that going to essentially make Franklin a normal kid or cause like in the comics, he is like Omega level.

00:55:27.387 --> 00:55:29.809
We'll talk about it here in a bit, but like he is Omega level.

00:55:29.809 --> 00:55:31.271
He's actually a mutant in the comics.

00:55:31.271 --> 00:55:32.672
I don't know if he is in this universe.

00:55:32.672 --> 00:55:46.753
I don't know if they're going to touch on that, but like he, Franklin is often like being sort of torn from the Fantastic Four and the X-Men of them trying to like, the X-Men trying to like, hey, come over here to our side because you're a mutant and you're Omega level, come help us.

00:55:46.813 --> 00:55:47.824
But like, I don't know.

00:55:47.824 --> 00:55:51.318
I'm just I'm trying to like, again, I'm spinning my wheels here trying to figure out what's going on.

00:55:51.318 --> 00:55:52.858
But I don't know.

00:55:52.858 --> 00:55:59.063
At the end of this film, when we get to the end of this film, of course, the team, the family, they they saved the day from Galactus.

00:55:59.063 --> 00:56:00.255
He falls into a pit.

00:56:00.255 --> 00:56:01.967
We're jumping right to the end immediately.

00:56:01.967 --> 00:56:05.650
And of course, Shawla Ball sacrifices herself to make that happen.

00:56:05.650 --> 00:56:06.061
Now.

00:56:06.061 --> 00:56:09.702
Let me ask you this really quickly before we get into everything.

00:56:09.902 --> 00:56:11.501
Do we think that Charlotte Ball is done?

00:56:11.501 --> 00:56:11.981
Is there silver?

00:56:11.981 --> 00:56:12.981
She exploded.

00:56:12.981 --> 00:56:14.101
We didn't see a body.

00:56:14.181 --> 00:56:15.862
You know, that's the golden rule, right?

00:56:15.961 --> 00:56:17.362
Two rules in movies.

00:56:17.362 --> 00:56:18.882
If you don't see a body, they're not dead.

00:56:18.882 --> 00:56:20.061
And you got to have a scars guard.

00:56:20.061 --> 00:56:22.021
This movie failed at both.

00:56:22.021 --> 00:56:22.981
All right.

00:56:23.601 --> 00:56:27.822
So do we think that Charlotte Ball is gone and that we're to get Noren in the 616 universe?

00:56:27.981 --> 00:56:31.918
I mean, we're going to get Noren in the 616 universe, but Shawla Ball is definitely not done.

00:56:31.918 --> 00:56:32.438
Okay.

00:56:32.438 --> 00:56:33.338
Interesting.

00:56:34.478 --> 00:56:35.197
All right.

00:56:35.197 --> 00:56:39.117
Yeah, I think I would tend to agree, but I don't know, you know, right?

00:56:39.538 --> 00:56:45.478
I will say that, you know, this takes place on Earth 828, which I thought was a really cool reference that of course is a reference to Jack Kirby.

00:56:45.478 --> 00:56:46.717
His birthday is August 28th.

00:56:46.717 --> 00:56:48.038
So that's amazing.

00:56:48.257 --> 00:56:55.297
I will say really quickly in the opening scene, Aaron, you see them fighting this sort of larger monsters, sort of scaly monster.

00:56:55.297 --> 00:56:56.838
That's Giganto.

00:56:57.197 --> 00:57:00.818
That's obviously an homage to the first cover from 1961.

00:57:01.887 --> 00:57:05.818
I was gonna say, I love the fact that you put uh this cover.

00:57:05.818 --> 00:57:21.592
Like, so when you guys go and look at the show notes, ah I'm sorry, sorry, the trans, when the, our Patreon members, when our programs go and look at our transcript on Patreon, they're going to see that Chris used like a facsimile version of the original art.

00:57:21.592 --> 00:57:25.764
And this one is by Alex Ross, which is just so gorgeous.

00:57:25.764 --> 00:57:30.876
Like again, the original is obviously iconic, but like Alex Ross is just, I don't know.

00:57:30.876 --> 00:57:31.786
There's just.

00:57:31.856 --> 00:57:35.634
There's nothing beautiful that he cannot make.

00:57:35.898 --> 00:57:38.302
We're big Alex Ross stands on this podcast.

00:57:38.302 --> 00:57:38.452
Yes.

00:57:38.452 --> 00:57:51.240
Yeah as we are Jack Kirby as well Which again, I Jack Kirby did that original cover and it is incredible I will say giganto is one of the monsters that's controlled by mole man who we meet in this movie and actually was created by the Deviants who we last saw in the internals That's interesting.

00:57:51.240 --> 00:57:52.503
I didn't know he was created by the deviants.

00:57:52.503 --> 00:57:57.880
knew he was like a like kind of like not necessarily a partner but like a kind of like a you know, a mole man monster.

00:57:57.880 --> 00:57:59.831
Yeah, yeah.

00:57:59.831 --> 00:58:04.976
Just a quick rundown, Aaron, very quickly of a couple of rogues that we get referenced in this movie.

00:58:04.976 --> 00:58:06.657
We've got Puppet Master.

00:58:06.657 --> 00:58:14.963
We've got The Wizard, Diablo, Red Ghost, who was supposed to be played by John Malkovich, but and also wasn't that initial teaser, but has been since scrapped.

00:58:14.963 --> 00:58:17.056
John Malkovich cannot get in a Marvel movie.

00:58:17.056 --> 00:58:19.978
He was trying to be Vulture in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies.

00:58:19.978 --> 00:58:21.610
That didn't happen in Spider-Man 4.

00:58:21.610 --> 00:58:24.791
He's trying to be Red Ghost for some reason in this universe.

00:58:24.853 --> 00:58:25.443
That didn't happen.

00:58:25.443 --> 00:58:26.829
We got to see one of his monkeys.

00:58:26.829 --> 00:58:35.289
or apes, guess at the beginning of the- We get to see Red Ghost's ape, his super ultra smart ape, but we didn't see John Malkovich.

00:58:35.469 --> 00:58:35.889
Weird.

00:58:35.889 --> 00:58:39.210
Mad Thinker is referenced in a newspaper as is Dragon Man.

00:58:39.210 --> 00:58:45.949
So a lot of early, like these are all rogues from like the first 10 issues, 10, 15 issues of Fantastic Four, which I thought was really cool.

00:58:45.949 --> 00:58:51.389
And I think like, if I can brag about this movie for a second, the aesthetic I really like.

00:58:51.389 --> 00:58:55.610
I kind of wish they would do maybe one more movie of them in this like 1960s.

00:58:55.610 --> 00:58:56.557
I'll compliment it.

00:58:56.557 --> 00:58:57.463
I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:58:57.463 --> 00:59:02.416
Would you like them to do the incomplete movie or would you like them to do the movie that transitions into?

00:59:02.626 --> 00:59:03.898
Yeah, that's interesting.

00:59:03.898 --> 00:59:04.791
think that I like that.

00:59:04.791 --> 00:59:12.338
I like them like maybe starting continuing on in this 828 universe and then some point they get pulled into the 616 universe like they do at end of Thunder.

00:59:12.338 --> 00:59:15.922
That's what we were thinking was going to happen.

00:59:15.922 --> 00:59:23.568
You know, that's the interesting thing about this is we thought that at some point in this film, they were going to be introduced into...

00:59:24.068 --> 00:59:25.110
So you were right.

00:59:25.110 --> 00:59:26.224
mean, essentially you're right.

00:59:26.224 --> 00:59:37.773
Because as of right now, the timeline won't match up with the ending of the Thunderbolts unless there's like a really like weird time, timey-wimey like situation going on, you know?

00:59:37.773 --> 00:59:39.893
would imagine that Doctor Doom takes Franklin there.

00:59:39.893 --> 00:59:41.253
This is my new guess.

00:59:41.534 --> 00:59:46.153
Doctor Doom, Victor takes Franklin, teleports off into 616.

00:59:46.153 --> 00:59:48.153
I would imagine to find...

00:59:48.153 --> 00:59:50.034
Actually, let me back up a little bit.

00:59:50.034 --> 00:59:54.193
Galactus, the end of this movie, gets pushed into the 616 universe.

00:59:54.193 --> 00:59:55.773
I think that's what happens.

00:59:56.574 --> 01:00:07.594
So, Doctor Doom takes Franklin, captures him from that moment with Sue Storm, takes him to the 616 universe, and then absorbs the power of both Galactus and Franklin and uses that to make Battleworld.

01:00:07.916 --> 01:00:08.730
Yes.

01:00:08.730 --> 01:00:10.351
So that's my new guess.

01:00:10.351 --> 01:00:13.132
We'll if that comes to fruition.

01:00:13.132 --> 01:00:13.802
I like that.

01:00:13.802 --> 01:00:19.675
So I was complimenting the movie a moment ago about the aesthetics, the 1960s sort of neo-futuristic space age look.

01:00:19.876 --> 01:00:21.157
Here's the thing.

01:00:21.177 --> 01:00:24.980
I wish they would have just stuck with the 1960s space age look.

01:00:24.980 --> 01:00:29.322
There's too much like unrealistic, futuristic tech.

01:00:29.322 --> 01:00:32.264
Like it sort of defeats the purpose of doing this movie in the space age.

01:00:32.264 --> 01:00:36.715
I get it that Reed Richards is super smart and he uses the future foundation.

01:00:36.715 --> 01:00:39.228
like in the comics to sort of create a better tomorrow.

01:00:39.228 --> 01:00:43.369
Like he's doing like a Tomorrowland, everybody, trying to like do Epcot.

01:00:43.369 --> 01:00:50.753
But I just, I don't love like the everybody's got a flying car, you know, that sort of takes away the fun that the Fantastic Four.

01:00:51.875 --> 01:00:53.806
The cops do, they were floating all along.

01:00:53.806 --> 01:00:55.998
They're looking for criminals.

01:00:56.014 --> 01:00:59.976
Well, that was probably the police maybe like law enforcement, but I loved it.

01:00:59.976 --> 01:01:00.856
I'm gonna argue with you.

01:01:00.856 --> 01:01:03.626
I loved it I love the aesthetic of this this again.

01:01:03.626 --> 01:01:32.360
Yes, Tomorrowland like futuristic retro, know technology I thought it was because to me that's okay You know Reed Richards much better than I know his character and for me I guess my only question is I always thought that he was more of a Rhythm with the tism like I know everything not going to help like humanity necessarily, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do the right thing, but I'm not gonna give all this technology away because humans are stupid.

01:01:32.590 --> 01:01:35.925
uh No, that's more like your T'Challa is more on that range.

01:01:35.925 --> 01:01:40.403
We're like, I'm gonna do cool things here in Wakanda, but you know, let's keep it here.

01:01:40.403 --> 01:01:51.028
Let's keep it within the So Reed Richards is all about Reed Richards is, he is basically challenging the saying from Jurassic Park, know, like, just because we can, does that mean we should?

01:01:51.128 --> 01:01:53.911
Reed Richards is often doing the should just because he can.

01:01:53.911 --> 01:01:57.851
Like, he isn't like questioning whether it's for the better of humanity.

01:01:57.851 --> 01:02:01.563
He just wants to know if he can do it, which is exactly how the Council of Reeds is created.

01:02:01.563 --> 01:02:02.329
Yeah.

01:02:02.329 --> 01:02:29.677
I think we are kind of saying the same thing because like what I'm saying is he's not one who's gonna like be giving away Normally from my understanding he's not gonna be the one who's just like providing all of this tech to the world He's developing stuff to make the world a better safer place But he's not just like giving it out free willy every time he fucking creates something No, he does, but it's through the Future Foundation, is sort of like his like, think of it as like like nonprofit where he like, he produces things for the Future Foundation and the Future Foundation sort of puts it out there into the world.

01:02:29.677 --> 01:02:29.998
Got it.

01:02:29.998 --> 01:02:30.701
Okay.

01:02:30.701 --> 01:02:31.744
Yes and no.

01:02:31.744 --> 01:02:32.125
Okay.

01:02:32.125 --> 01:02:37.547
So like if we go back to the first Fantastic Four like movies.

01:02:37.739 --> 01:02:40.875
Let's not reference those in any accurate way.

01:02:42.530 --> 01:02:49.550
I'm only saying because that Reed Richards was kind of, again, very aloof to almost Dr.

01:02:49.550 --> 01:02:50.269
Manhattan.

01:02:50.594 --> 01:02:57.237
Yeah, again, the characterizations of all of those people except for Chickless as Ben Graham sucks.

01:02:57.237 --> 01:02:58.818
Nothing about those movies.

01:02:59.217 --> 01:03:01.920
It's him and Willie Lumpkin, Stan Lee.

01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:03.661
Those are the two best castings in that movie.

01:03:03.661 --> 01:03:07.311
I mean, we love Chris Evans as Human Torch, but I guess that one's okay.

01:03:07.311 --> 01:03:10.943
But, you know, in reality, those are the two best ones.

01:03:11.844 --> 01:03:13.706
Well, let's talk about the director of this one here, Aaron.

01:03:13.706 --> 01:03:14.730
Let's talk about Matt Schafer.

01:03:14.730 --> 01:03:15.409
Shackman.

01:03:15.409 --> 01:03:16.172
Yeah.

01:03:16.172 --> 01:03:17.614
The Shackster.

01:03:19.177 --> 01:03:20.416
I don't like that.

01:03:20.416 --> 01:03:20.898
Stop it.

01:03:20.898 --> 01:03:21.719
I'm uncomfortable.

01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:22.820
Stop.

01:03:23.423 --> 01:03:24.025
Yeah.

01:03:24.025 --> 01:03:25.670
Yeah, mostly in television.

01:03:25.670 --> 01:03:25.998
Cut.

01:03:25.998 --> 01:03:33.204
Bank and the fantastic four first steps, you know, let's like we don't even need to go over I will say this I am a huge fan of psych.

01:03:33.204 --> 01:03:36.387
Yep, I Can love psych?

01:03:36.387 --> 01:03:40.686
Okay, that's and then obviously WandaVision Mm-hmm.

01:03:40.686 --> 01:03:41.088
Mm-hmm.

01:03:41.088 --> 01:03:45.438
He also did some episodes of the Godzilla series that you like Monarch.

01:03:45.438 --> 01:03:47.077
Yeah, Legacy of Monsters.

01:03:47.077 --> 01:03:48.737
Also welcome to Chippendales.

01:03:51.777 --> 01:03:54.038
Yeah, so like not really much to say about him.

01:03:54.038 --> 01:04:00.338
John Watts, director of the Tom Holland Spider-Man films was originally announced as the director in December of 2020.

01:04:00.557 --> 01:04:05.617
He stepped down in April of 2022 to take a break from superhero projects for a while.

01:04:05.617 --> 01:04:11.117
Joss Whedon and Peyton Reed, Joss Whedon and Yuck, were also considered to direct the film.

01:04:11.117 --> 01:04:17.023
Also, Peyton Reed kind of yucked too because he's made all of the Ant-Man films and the last two have really sucked.

01:04:17.302 --> 01:04:20.036
you know.

01:04:20.036 --> 01:04:22.228
Composer, Michael Giacchino.

01:04:22.228 --> 01:04:29.213
I mean, let's just, if we can like really compliment one big thing in this movie, it's insanely good.

01:04:30.235 --> 01:04:38.001
Is this like already one of the best modern MCU scores in terms of like, you know, like when you hear the Avengers, go dun, dun, dun.

01:04:38.001 --> 01:04:38.956
Like you hear that.

01:04:38.956 --> 01:04:39.905
Black Panther.

01:04:39.905 --> 01:04:46.891
Yeah, Black Panther, of course, like there are certain themes when you hear them, point being, Michael Giacchino, incredible work with this.

01:04:46.891 --> 01:04:49.813
There are just certain sounds that when you hear them, you know the hero.

01:04:49.813 --> 01:04:57.280
perfectly, I think a good score perfectly supplements a character sort of presentation in the film and like they're showing up and all that.

01:04:57.481 --> 01:05:02.664
When you hear that, bum, bum, bum, you know, like all that, you're going to know it's fantastic for going forward.

01:05:03.706 --> 01:05:04.646
What's up?

01:05:04.670 --> 01:05:06.635
looks like he also directs.

01:05:06.635 --> 01:05:11.322
Yeah, he directed the special presentation, The Werewolf uh I didn't know that.

01:05:11.322 --> 01:05:12.784
That's pretty interesting.

01:05:13.003 --> 01:05:15.485
I'd like to see him do more things because that werewolf by night was awesome.

01:05:15.485 --> 01:05:17.456
I enjoyed that one a lot.

01:05:17.456 --> 01:05:17.751
Yeah.

01:05:17.751 --> 01:05:18.762
I enjoyed that a lot.

01:05:18.762 --> 01:05:20.141
Let's talk about budget.

01:05:20.141 --> 01:05:21.061
All right.

01:05:21.061 --> 01:05:22.181
Two hundred.

01:05:22.202 --> 01:05:22.902
All right.

01:05:22.902 --> 01:05:24.382
Two hundred and ten million dollars.

01:05:24.382 --> 01:05:25.141
Ten.

01:05:25.242 --> 01:05:27.161
Again, basic superhero stuff.

01:05:27.161 --> 01:05:31.802
Two hundred million dollars is kind of basic cable for these big blockbusters nowadays.

01:05:32.021 --> 01:05:35.641
And we're going to talk about something that you don't care about because I need to brag really quickly.

01:05:35.722 --> 01:05:36.322
First.

01:05:36.442 --> 01:05:43.501
First steps opened at number one, of course, in the box office unseating Superman.

01:05:43.501 --> 01:05:44.282
You fuck.

01:05:45.041 --> 01:05:46.362
Yes, of course.

01:05:46.961 --> 01:05:49.760
With a one hundred and seventeen point six million take.

01:05:49.760 --> 01:06:03.713
at the domestic box office and in that opening weekend to date, which again is July 31st, the film has earned 142.2 million domestically and 99 million internationally for a worldwide total of 241.2 million dollars.

01:06:03.713 --> 01:06:07.994
Now, everybody go back, everybody go back to our Superman episode.

01:06:07.994 --> 01:06:11.556
I tell Aaron, I say, Aaron, listen, here's how it's going to go.

01:06:11.556 --> 01:06:12.356
Here's the rub.

01:06:12.356 --> 01:06:16.527
OK, Jurassic World, Superman, Fantastic Four First Steps.

01:06:16.527 --> 01:06:17.978
That's going to be the box office.

01:06:17.978 --> 01:06:19.606
And Aaron says, What do say, Aaron?

01:06:19.606 --> 01:06:20.425
You say no.

01:06:20.425 --> 01:06:23.088
It's going to be Superman, Fantastic Four, and Jurassic World.

01:06:23.088 --> 01:06:24.929
I say nay, my friend.

01:06:26.110 --> 01:06:27.592
And you say, you said right.

01:06:27.592 --> 01:06:31.454
You said it was going to be Superman, Fantastic Four, Jurassic World.

01:06:31.454 --> 01:06:39.159
uh Even with Fantastic Four currently opening with 10 % more international markets, because people were against Superman.

01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:42.121
know, America's not really the cool kid on the block currently.

01:06:42.121 --> 01:06:42.862
Rightfully so.

01:06:42.862 --> 01:06:45.224
We're kind of being an asshole to a lot of our allies.

01:06:45.224 --> 01:06:51.416
There are multiple countries that just aren't showing Superman because Believe it not, Superman sort of represents America in a larger sense.

01:06:51.416 --> 01:06:53.996
But Fantastic Four, similar, I think.

01:06:53.996 --> 01:06:59.119
I don't understand why that's not also being shown as like a more of a, you know, American property.

01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:03.320
Point being, it was shown in 10 % more international markets compared to Superman.

01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:08.061
However, First Steps is currently projected to earn $490 million worldwide.

01:07:08.061 --> 01:07:08.902
That's just a projection.

01:07:08.902 --> 01:07:09.902
We'll see how goes.

01:07:09.902 --> 01:07:17.101
Compared to Superman's 600 and Jurassic World's, Jurassic World Rebirth's 18 and 8, 812 million.

01:07:17.101 --> 01:07:32.442
And as things currently stand Aaron, Jurassic World currently leads, it's currently fourth at the box office behind Niza 2, which I've never heard of, Lilo and Stitch, the Minecraft movie and then Jurassic World Rebirth at $725 million.

01:07:32.442 --> 01:07:33.442
God damn it.

01:07:33.442 --> 01:07:37.541
Then all the way down to eighth, you have Superman at $510 million.

01:07:37.702 --> 01:07:38.742
What is happening?

01:07:38.742 --> 01:07:43.277
the way down at 13, right below Final Destination's bloodlines.

01:07:43.277 --> 01:07:46.286
There were literally empty theaters.

01:07:46.286 --> 01:07:49.925
I mean Fantastic Four First Steps 241 million.

01:07:49.925 --> 01:07:53.505
Now again, this movie's yeah, it's been in theaters for two weeks.

01:07:53.505 --> 01:07:55.186
So let's see.

01:07:55.186 --> 01:08:38.590
I think at the end of the day, Fantastic Four will probably pass Thunderbolts at 10 at 382 million because again, it's projected to earn 490 Here's the most fucked up thing about it that I'm looking at this thing right now is Fantastic Four is right above Snow White Right, which publicly bombed but again, we should be fair that like this movie has been in theaters for ten days or 14 days roughly So I think at the end of the day if it hits that 490 million mark, it'll be right below f1 at 512 man It'll put it eighth on the year and I think it'll put it in good contention to stay in the top ten But point being is that anything below 500 million dollars from Marvel movies that is not good It doesn't matter how how you cut it.

01:08:38.590 --> 01:08:43.405
I mean the fact that Thunderbolts is sitting at 382 million, that's a big loss.

01:08:43.405 --> 01:08:44.347
It's a big loss.

01:08:44.347 --> 01:08:51.104
they have spent a lot, a lot on the Fantastic Four advertising budget.

01:08:51.354 --> 01:08:53.814
A lot of that 210 million dollars.

01:08:53.814 --> 01:08:58.376
I would bet you 20 % of that budget 15 to 20 % is marketing.

01:08:58.376 --> 01:09:00.105
I mean it was everywhere at San Diego Comic Con.

01:09:00.105 --> 01:09:01.475
It's been everywhere everywhere.

01:09:01.475 --> 01:09:03.056
I it's been on sporting events.

01:09:03.056 --> 01:09:03.856
It was on.

01:09:03.856 --> 01:09:11.069
I mean like I have Olivia watching Love Island and you've got two fantastic four trailers before each commercial break in.

01:09:11.069 --> 01:09:12.338
So yeah I agree.

01:09:12.338 --> 01:09:16.600
It's kind of crazy that you know it this it was put in the zeitgeist as much.

01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:22.057
I mean I think that just goes to show how much goodwill the MCU has sort of evaporated away.

01:09:22.057 --> 01:09:24.096
Okay, talk about the cast here.

01:09:24.631 --> 01:09:25.702
You want to go over to me?

01:09:25.702 --> 01:09:26.523
Go ahead.

01:09:26.523 --> 01:09:27.444
All right.

01:09:27.444 --> 01:09:30.966
Pedro Pascal, AKA Zaddy.

01:09:31.326 --> 01:09:32.867
Reed Richards, Mr.

01:09:32.867 --> 01:09:34.167
Fantastic.

01:09:34.287 --> 01:09:36.479
And he definitely put that Reed Richards, Mr.

01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:37.460
Fantastic.

01:09:37.729 --> 01:09:38.690
he's stretchy.

01:09:38.690 --> 01:09:39.610
He's stretchy.

01:09:39.610 --> 01:09:40.372
He's girthy.

01:09:40.372 --> 01:09:42.912
Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm, Invisible Woman.

01:09:42.912 --> 01:09:44.573
Even Moss's background.

01:09:45.395 --> 01:09:46.876
Ben Grimm, The Thing.

01:09:46.876 --> 01:09:50.618
That's just an interesting name for a white guy.

01:09:50.636 --> 01:09:51.823
Boss back rack.

01:09:52.344 --> 01:09:56.636
Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm Human Torch, which I thought he did a great job.

01:09:57.336 --> 01:09:59.877
Julia Garner as Shalabal, a Silver Surfer.

01:09:59.877 --> 01:10:00.997
I actually have a theory.

01:10:00.997 --> 01:10:09.001
If they do a Silver Surfer porn star, her name will be, like in the movie, the Silver Surfer.

01:10:09.242 --> 01:10:11.422
Her character name will be Swalabals.

01:10:11.422 --> 01:10:13.484
Ralph Inneson as Galactus.

01:10:13.484 --> 01:10:16.045
Sarah Niles as Lynn Nichols.

01:10:16.284 --> 01:10:18.764
Mark Gaddis as Ted Gilbert.

01:10:18.764 --> 01:10:19.715
Natasha Lyon.

01:10:19.715 --> 01:10:28.827
This is a surprising thing to see was Natasha Lyon as Rachel Rosman and then Paul Walter Hauser as Harvey Elder mole man.

01:10:28.827 --> 01:10:31.213
he was he was a delight.

01:10:31.213 --> 01:10:34.948
He was a delight in the scene and a half that he was Yes, yes.

01:10:34.948 --> 01:10:44.403
Additionally, Matthew Wood voices the fantastic force robot companion Herbie, is the humanoid experimental robot B type integrated electronics.

01:10:44.403 --> 01:10:48.909
Wood also voiced Bib Fortuna and General Grievous in the Star Wars prequels.

01:10:48.909 --> 01:10:49.649
I'm just going to correct you.

01:10:49.649 --> 01:10:53.323
It's Fortana, but I just don't want to get the comments from the Star Wars nerds.

01:10:53.323 --> 01:10:54.173
Bip Fortana.

01:10:54.173 --> 01:10:57.615
oh It's, but point being is that yeah, that's a, and Herbie was fun.

01:10:57.615 --> 01:10:59.978
He's sort of a BBA type in this movies.

01:10:59.978 --> 01:11:04.881
Definitely for the kids, know, buy your kid a Herbie plushie and call it a day kind of deal.

01:11:05.055 --> 01:11:09.220
liked how he had the tape that came out, like programming tape.

01:11:09.220 --> 01:11:09.905
Yeah, absolutely.

01:11:09.905 --> 01:11:10.578
It came out like the front.

01:11:10.578 --> 01:11:11.302
That was like a VCR.

01:11:11.302 --> 01:11:12.354
That was pretty dope.

01:11:12.354 --> 01:11:16.318
Which of the Fantastic Four is I'll tell you.

01:11:16.318 --> 01:11:18.699
probably Vanessa Kirby is to storm.

01:11:18.699 --> 01:11:20.951
Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's that's got to be the answer, right?

01:11:20.951 --> 01:11:22.752
Like Sue Storm is given the most to do.

01:11:22.752 --> 01:11:23.773
Vanessa Kirby kills it.

01:11:23.773 --> 01:11:24.993
She's great as Sue Storm.

01:11:24.993 --> 01:11:30.697
That's basically Susan's role on the Fantastic Four is that she is the heart of the team.

01:11:30.697 --> 01:11:35.179
She's the one that keeps these idiot men together and like not fighting constantly.

01:11:35.179 --> 01:11:36.390
We don't get a lot of that in this movie.

01:11:36.390 --> 01:11:38.771
Like you don't get a lot of like Ben and Johnny.

01:11:38.771 --> 01:12:17.037
Yeah, you know, like the brother the brotherly teasing you that's what you get more of, know, they're definitely a family like they're definitely of the first family in this which I thought was really genuine and like they had that they they definitely had like this very family like vibe and kind of dynamic I would say definitely for me obviously, you know, Vanessa Kirby because as Sue Storm, she just that's one thing that we have never really at least in in this in the formats that I've seen in the media I've seen, we never get that that Sue Storm that is really like the pivotal, like the real like pivotal foundation of the Fantastic Four.

01:12:17.037 --> 01:12:20.689
And she really was the strength and the heart of this team.

01:12:20.689 --> 01:12:23.863
Like Johnny is young, he's hot headed, know.

01:12:23.863 --> 01:12:28.127
He's hold a horn up, which I get, I thought that that was really interesting.

01:12:28.127 --> 01:12:29.858
That's uh very interesting.

01:12:29.858 --> 01:12:42.220
And I will say this coming in second place for favorite was definitely Johnny Storm because of the fact that, you know, we all they've always given him kind of this, this dumbed down attitude.

01:12:42.220 --> 01:12:43.631
Like he's the boy, he's the player.

01:12:43.631 --> 01:12:45.613
He's not really like, like, why is he there?

01:12:45.613 --> 01:12:46.743
He still went into space.

01:12:46.743 --> 01:12:47.703
Like, why is he there?

01:12:47.703 --> 01:12:54.489
And really in this one, they've really talked to, they kind of leaned into, he is a valued member of this team.

01:12:54.489 --> 01:12:57.351
He has, you know, a part to play on this team.

01:12:57.351 --> 01:12:58.353
He's very smart.

01:12:58.353 --> 01:13:06.989
And that whole thing with kind of, you know, figuring out the language of, know, from her planet, from, you know, from Zen Law was just incredible.

01:13:06.989 --> 01:13:13.815
Yeah, he definitely he acts as sort of like the Rosetta Stone of the of the team and and decodes all of that Yeah, it is Vanessa Kirby.

01:13:13.815 --> 01:13:22.489
I do like Pedro Pascal I initially thought he was miscast as Reed Richards But I thought he did a pretty good job and I think that he plays that sort of trapped genius really well.

01:13:22.489 --> 01:13:26.186
Mm-hmm Eba must backwreck as Ben Grimm.

01:13:26.186 --> 01:13:30.229
think Ben looks good in this movie I don't love the beard, but I don't think that's permanent.

01:13:30.229 --> 01:13:30.990
I thought was a fun.

01:13:30.990 --> 01:13:34.533
That's just to sell toys It's just to show an alternate version of variant of Ben Grimm.

01:13:34.533 --> 01:13:47.972
But like My biggest complaint, and I've said this since the beginning, and I felt it through both viewings, is that I just wish that Iban Masbakrex, Ben Grimm, had that sort of Yonkers gruffle voice.

01:13:47.972 --> 01:13:51.141
He just sounds like fucking cousin from The Bear.

01:13:51.141 --> 01:13:51.685
You know what mean?

01:13:51.685 --> 01:13:58.641
Like, I wish he had that sort of grumble the way that Michael Chickles does in the first one, but also with the accent, right?

01:13:58.641 --> 01:14:02.824
Like, he doesn't really have, like, I guess he has a little bit of a New York accent in this, but like, not really.

01:14:02.824 --> 01:14:06.088
oh So that's kind of like my biggest complaint.

01:14:06.088 --> 01:14:15.030
And then also I heard at one point Natasha Lyon's character, Rachel Rosman, was supposed to be Alicia Masters, who was the love interest of Ben Grimm, but they changed it last minute.

01:14:15.030 --> 01:14:17.921
That's kind of a bummer because Alicia Masters is a great character.

01:14:17.981 --> 01:14:23.122
So overall, though, I think that one of the strong points of this movie is the team, like the family.

01:14:23.122 --> 01:14:40.277
For all of the movie happening around them and how average things are happening around them, I think the real core and the important part, and I think where I'm still pretty confident in this sort of property within the larger Marvel universe is that these four people seem like they care about each other and they work well together as chemistry.

01:14:40.277 --> 01:14:42.612
All of that definitely works for me.

01:14:42.775 --> 01:14:49.007
Can we also just, and I want to talk about this real quick, is Galactus' design.

01:14:50.328 --> 01:14:54.548
I really enjoyed the way that he looked in this.

01:14:54.548 --> 01:15:11.287
I really enjoyed the detail, the, just his presence, the eyes, like he had this thing where his eyes would light up, and then also when he really wanted to kind of get his point across, the light would disappear and it's just like his big...

01:15:11.287 --> 01:15:13.038
fucking purple iris.

01:15:13.038 --> 01:15:17.051
And I'm like, I'm like, that's such a cool design, a cool idea.

01:15:17.051 --> 01:15:22.961
However, I don't know, like to me, like scale wise, I thought he was able to like make himself shrink and grow.

01:15:22.961 --> 01:15:25.786
thought he was going to be kind of bigger than than he was.

01:15:25.786 --> 01:15:38.626
uh I don't know if we've completely disproven that he can make himself larger or smaller, you know obviously in this film he is sort of like you know a little bigger than the Statue of Liberty or maybe like guess a lot bigger than Statue of Liberty but not by much.

01:15:38.626 --> 01:15:42.894
He just to me was still like pushed around a little bit too much by the Fantastic Four.

01:15:42.894 --> 01:15:43.753
Thank you.

01:15:43.753 --> 01:15:45.833
Here's the thing, everybody, and we're going to get into it here in just a moment.

01:15:45.833 --> 01:15:53.493
We talk about Galactus in sort of a larger capacity because I want to highlight what Galactus means to this universe now that he's been introduced.

01:15:53.974 --> 01:16:01.413
I think one of my biggest complaints, and this kind of goes back to the Captain America holding up Thanos' gauntlet in Infinity War sort of power scale.

01:16:01.833 --> 01:16:07.694
The thing is, is like, I'm OK with bending reality to these movies because at the end of the day, these are comic book movies.

01:16:07.694 --> 01:16:14.250
But if you're going to set rules, follow the rules in the movie so that way This doesn't feel cheap.

01:16:14.909 --> 01:16:20.390
again, I'm not, I don't want to complain about Sue because I think Sue is the best part of this movie and I love Vanessa Kirby in the role.

01:16:20.390 --> 01:16:24.050
And I understand that like mom strength is a thing, right?

01:16:24.050 --> 01:16:28.949
That's so like, they say that women can lift cars when their kid is trapped or whatever, right?

01:16:28.989 --> 01:16:38.456
But the fact that Sue Storm is able to physically push a cosmic being on the scale that is not matched or even, you know, overcome by many.

01:16:38.456 --> 01:16:40.469
by less than like 10 being cosmic beings.

01:16:40.469 --> 01:16:43.192
The fact that she's able to actually physically move him.

01:16:43.354 --> 01:16:49.502
And again, it does kill her, but like the fact that she's able to do it is sort of breaking the rules of this movie.

01:16:49.502 --> 01:16:52.086
And it makes me sort of wince a little bit.

01:16:52.086 --> 01:16:53.737
Yeah, and that was the thing.

01:16:53.737 --> 01:17:05.060
It's like I really enjoyed what the battle was supposed to be and like kind of how it was occurring until some of these liberties were taken with the power scaling.

01:17:05.060 --> 01:17:07.693
Let's get into like, there's a brief appearance, Robert Downey Jr.

01:17:07.693 --> 01:17:11.434
He makes an uncredited camo appearance in the mid-credits scene as Victor Von Doom, Dr.

01:17:11.434 --> 01:17:12.314
Doom.

01:17:12.534 --> 01:17:20.521
They don't show his face, but the Russo brothers confirm that Downey filmed the scene during production of the film Avengers Doomsday.

01:17:20.521 --> 01:17:27.885
So basically there's, you know, mid credit scene is, you know, this is like, I don't know, maybe a couple of years later, four years later.

01:17:27.885 --> 01:17:37.537
And, you know, they walk into the living room and you see just this hooded green hooded figure like kneeling down and speaking to, you know, Frank, Franklin and Richard.

01:17:37.537 --> 01:17:39.667
So just, you know, I don't know.

01:17:39.667 --> 01:17:40.902
It was an interesting thing.

01:17:40.902 --> 01:17:44.855
It was another one of those ones where much like the post credit scene.

01:17:45.173 --> 01:17:49.150
where it was so like innocuous like much like what are we talking about here?

01:17:49.150 --> 01:17:54.891
Superman but also like yeah Thunderbolts took more chances with their their post credit scene than this one.

01:17:54.891 --> 01:17:59.935
love Thunderbolts' incredible scene and the way that everybody looked but at least it took like a decent swing.

01:17:59.935 --> 01:18:00.377
Yeah.

01:18:00.377 --> 01:18:06.926
um Pedro Pascal dropped out of Weapons, which also stars, co-stars Julia Garner to work on this movie.

01:18:06.926 --> 01:18:09.149
Hey, we'll be talking about that next week on the show, everybody.

01:18:09.149 --> 01:18:10.260
will.

01:18:10.742 --> 01:18:13.027
Even even Moss Backrack.

01:18:13.027 --> 01:18:15.011
This is the second time playing a Marvel character.

01:18:15.011 --> 01:18:19.917
He also played David Lieberman, AKA Micro and The Punisher.

01:18:19.917 --> 01:18:24.045
He went from supplying a literal psychopath guns to being a big rock man.

01:18:24.045 --> 01:18:24.525
Yep.

01:18:24.525 --> 01:18:24.855
Yep.

01:18:24.855 --> 01:18:25.487
That's fun.

01:18:25.487 --> 01:18:27.520
That's good high quality family fun.

01:18:27.570 --> 01:18:33.328
Joseph Quinn wore a blonde wig for his role as Johnny Storm human toe which he shaved his head for his role in warfare Yep.

01:18:33.328 --> 01:18:34.546
Which we cover here on the show.

01:18:34.546 --> 01:18:35.018
Go listen to that.

01:18:35.018 --> 01:18:37.744
Again, wow, eight degrees of Kevin Bacon.

01:18:38.368 --> 01:18:41.958
Paul Mescal turned down the chance to play Johnny Storm, the Human Torch.

01:18:41.958 --> 01:18:43.134
I gotta look him up real quick.

01:18:43.134 --> 01:18:52.627
He was the star of gladiator 2 which we also talked about here on the show So a lot of plugging here in this fantastic form Listen all those episodes right now.

01:18:52.627 --> 01:18:53.297
All right, Aaron.

01:18:53.297 --> 01:18:54.429
I want to talk to you about galactus.

01:18:54.429 --> 01:18:57.140
You just mentioned it I'm gonna try to give this like brief.

01:18:57.140 --> 01:19:13.832
This is Chris's Chris's comic second everybody is trying to make We try to make this at least an hour of we're currently at 90 minutes So no big deal but point being is I need to tell you about galactus because I think you and the listeners need to understand Galactus being in this universe, what it means for the larger Marvel.

01:19:15.092 --> 01:19:20.815
Okay, so Galactus is the survivor of the six cosmos, which was the previous multiverse before the big bang.

01:19:20.815 --> 01:19:30.841
Originally he was from Ta-An, and he was named Galan, born in a previous incarnation of the universe of Earth 616 on the planet Ta, 1960s.

01:19:30.841 --> 01:19:32.463
People were doing drugs, everybody, don't worry about it.

01:19:32.463 --> 01:19:36.578
Due to the plague called the Black Winter, which we see in Donny Cates' Thor run.

01:19:36.578 --> 01:19:42.063
the universe began dying at a rapid pace and Taz civilization was one of the last ones still in existence.

01:19:42.063 --> 01:19:51.369
Knowing that their deaths were inevitable, Galan proposed that the remaining survivors that they could gloriously die by piling one of their starships directly into the heart of the cosmic egg.

01:19:51.369 --> 01:20:01.679
As the starship containing Galan and the fellow survivors approached the termination point of the universe, the cosmic radiation killed all the passengers except for Galan, who strangely found himself filled with new energy.

01:20:01.679 --> 01:20:05.815
Right before the universe is in, Galan was approached by the sentience of the six cosmos.

01:20:05.815 --> 01:20:15.028
who merged its essence with the mortal Galan giving birth to a new entity who would survive beyond the end of time, Galactus, the devourer of worlds.

01:20:15.168 --> 01:20:26.351
While being granted power beyond comprehension, Galactus would be forced to consume entire worlds to satiate his cosmic hunger for life-sustaining energy, maintaining necessary cosmic balance.

01:20:26.351 --> 01:20:27.752
So that's sort of his pendence.

01:20:27.752 --> 01:20:32.863
That's his, know, the thing that he has to follow is that he has to consume planets.

01:20:32.863 --> 01:20:34.694
Everybody thinks that Galactus is a villain.

01:20:34.694 --> 01:20:35.265
I will...

01:20:35.265 --> 01:20:38.377
debate anyone Galactus is nature.

01:20:38.377 --> 01:20:38.797
Absolutely.

01:20:38.797 --> 01:20:45.681
He has something bestowed upon by the people we're about to talk to talk about here in just a moment to maintain cosmic balance.

01:20:45.681 --> 01:20:49.715
And we get a little bit of that from Thanos in Infinity War and end game.

01:20:49.715 --> 01:20:52.036
They sort of just stole Galactus' goal.

01:20:52.036 --> 01:20:56.658
Like Thanos' whole thing was like, I'm going to kill half the universe to maintain like balance.

01:20:56.658 --> 01:20:57.899
That's Galactus' thing.

01:20:57.899 --> 01:20:58.479
Right.

01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:07.073
So because like in the comics, Thanos' whole role is like he wants to went over the love of mistress death, who we'll talk about here in just a moment.

01:21:07.514 --> 01:21:11.514
here's sort of Aaron, the hierarchy of cosmic beings within the Marvel universe.

01:21:11.514 --> 01:21:14.293
we're going to go from like least powerful to most powerful.

01:21:14.293 --> 01:21:18.234
So we have the in-betweener who is the shepherd of maintaining between order and chaos.

01:21:18.234 --> 01:21:19.253
It's going to get really heady everybody.

01:21:19.253 --> 01:21:19.913
I apologize.

01:21:19.913 --> 01:21:21.394
It's going to get kind of weird for a second.

01:21:21.394 --> 01:21:21.698
just.

01:21:21.698 --> 01:21:23.981
These guys are smoking a lot of weed and.

01:21:23.981 --> 01:21:24.542
A of shrooms.

01:21:24.542 --> 01:21:25.722
lot of shrooms.

01:21:25.722 --> 01:21:26.203
Late nights.

01:21:26.203 --> 01:21:27.064
lot of LSD.

01:21:27.064 --> 01:21:27.404
Right.

01:21:27.404 --> 01:21:28.595
Yeah.

01:21:28.595 --> 01:21:30.595
The Celestials who we again saw in the Eternals.

01:21:30.595 --> 01:21:33.688
These are the first beings to exist like pretty much ever.

01:21:33.688 --> 01:21:37.091
They make and create life within the universe.

01:21:37.091 --> 01:21:41.613
Then you have Galactus of course who is the great balance keeping the universe from becoming too oversized.

01:21:41.613 --> 01:21:46.817
You have Master Order and Lord Chaos who are both the personifications of again chaos and order.

01:21:46.817 --> 01:21:48.557
You have Sire Hate.

01:21:48.576 --> 01:21:51.127
and Mistress Love, the embodiment of emotional spectrum.

01:21:51.127 --> 01:22:01.912
You have the Living Tribunal, who we've heard rumblings of in Doctor Strange and who we saw briefly in Doctor Strange 2 when America Chavez and Doctor Strange are sort of careening through multiple universes.

01:22:01.912 --> 01:22:04.154
You've seen the Living Tribunal for a quick second.

01:22:04.181 --> 01:22:05.765
In Loki also, right?

01:22:06.572 --> 01:22:07.362
No?

01:22:07.362 --> 01:22:09.073
I think you might see their heads, perhaps.

01:22:09.073 --> 01:22:10.323
It's the three-headed guy.

01:22:10.323 --> 01:22:13.921
Yeah, that was though they had like the the there was like the statues.

01:22:13.921 --> 01:22:15.603
Yes, yeah, in season one, right.

01:22:15.603 --> 01:22:15.853
Yeah.

01:22:15.853 --> 01:22:16.453
Yes, you're right.

01:22:16.453 --> 01:22:16.944
Absolutely.

01:22:16.944 --> 01:22:21.676
That's the personification of multiversal law, which makes sense for that moment in that moment with Kang, right?

01:22:21.676 --> 01:22:24.006
It's the law of the multiverse.

01:22:24.006 --> 01:22:28.119
a representative of the one above all, the Living Tribunal had the highest authority in the multiverse.

01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:28.479
All right.

01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:38.435
We have Infinity, who we saw in Thor, Love and Thunder, is an abstract entity who embodies the Marvel universe itself, along with her brother counterpart, Eternity, with whom the Infinity is one with.

01:22:38.435 --> 01:22:44.118
We also see an Eternity in Peter Quill's eyes in Guardians of the Galaxy volume two.

01:22:44.118 --> 01:22:46.429
I see eternity, he says, think at one point.

01:22:46.429 --> 01:22:49.779
Mistress Death, who again, I just spoke about, is the personification of death itself.

01:22:49.779 --> 01:22:51.819
The enemy of life, as she is often called.

01:22:51.819 --> 01:22:54.810
Thanos and Deadpool are often fighting over her in the Marvel universe.

01:22:54.810 --> 01:23:03.063
Then we have the Phoenix Force, Aaron, who is the manifestation of all prime universal forces of life in the multiverse, sometimes known in the omniverse.

01:23:03.283 --> 01:23:08.164
One of the oldest known cosmic entities said to predate darkness and the universe.

01:23:08.164 --> 01:23:11.666
So Phoenix Force, Jean Grey, think- Still a bitch.

01:23:11.666 --> 01:23:12.363
Still.

01:23:12.363 --> 01:23:13.875
still a raging bitch sometimes, you know?

01:23:13.875 --> 01:23:17.536
The fact that the X-Men can even go up against the Phoenix Force is kind of wild.

01:23:17.956 --> 01:23:30.121
The Beyonders, who, Aaron, we may meet in Doomsday, nigh-on-nip-itent, I can't say that word, nigh-ontipitent race, omnipotent race that dwell in the beyond outside of the multiverse.

01:23:30.121 --> 01:23:34.103
Originally, they're from the second cosmos, which is the second universe in existence.

01:23:34.103 --> 01:23:41.496
They were the creations and the servants of the Celestials who named them the Omegas in opposition to the Alphas, the first firmament.

01:23:41.496 --> 01:23:45.378
They also created the cosmic cubes, which you often see Red Skull going after in the comics.

01:23:45.378 --> 01:23:46.841
Test track.

01:23:46.841 --> 01:23:50.667
Well, so like the test track is called the cosmic cube, but like there are multiple cosmic cubes in the comics.

01:23:50.667 --> 01:23:53.761
And they have like intelligence in them, right?

01:23:53.761 --> 01:23:54.492
Yeah.

01:23:55.565 --> 01:24:05.890
And then also they created Owen Reese, who we have not met yet, but in the comics he is known as the Molecule Man, also a major villain of the Fantastic Four who can manipulate molecules in a very, very overpowered way.

01:24:05.890 --> 01:24:12.813
They basically created him to be the multiversal bomb to blow up universes or multiverses that they want to basically destroy the Beyonders.

01:24:12.813 --> 01:24:19.036
This is considered a hard reset of the multiverse explained more in the Jonathan Hickman Time Runs Out storyline.

01:24:19.036 --> 01:24:23.854
Time Runs Out is kind of what Doomsday and Secret Wars is loosely being based off of.

01:24:23.854 --> 01:24:25.634
The Beyonders are the reason that Dr.

01:24:25.634 --> 01:24:34.354
Doom was successful in destroying the Ultimate and the Regular Universe and created Battleworld which of course led to the events of 2015's Secret Wars.

01:24:34.381 --> 01:24:38.904
I do know that there's several covers where it's like, you know, like so and so versus the Beyonder.

01:24:38.904 --> 01:24:39.514
Yeah.

01:24:39.514 --> 01:24:48.337
So there is the Beyonder who's one guy, I guess it's one Beyonder who was the main villain of the secret wars from the 1980s who created the original battle world.

01:24:48.337 --> 01:24:54.440
But in the sort of the newer secret wars, the Jonathan Higman time runs out storyline, there are like three or four of them, I think.

01:24:54.440 --> 01:24:57.622
In the 1980s version, he makes himself so he doesn't look like an alien.

01:24:57.622 --> 01:25:02.463
He makes himself to look like a cool looking, like good looking guy with like a white vest.

01:25:02.463 --> 01:25:04.845
He looks very 1980s, but it's funny.

01:25:05.685 --> 01:25:06.645
Then we have Oblivion.

01:25:06.645 --> 01:25:08.086
Hey, shout out to us.

01:25:08.149 --> 01:25:12.615
The embodiment of absolute nothingness is also a fragment of itself in form.

01:25:12.615 --> 01:25:13.025
Sorry.

01:25:13.025 --> 01:25:17.761
It also has fragments of itself throughout existence that run around throughout the Marvel universe.

01:25:17.761 --> 01:25:26.051
You may know them as the Chaos King and then also Noel from the Venom series, the god of the abyss, what do they call him?

01:25:26.051 --> 01:25:26.643
The King of Black.

01:25:26.643 --> 01:25:27.653
King of Black.

01:25:27.756 --> 01:25:29.953
Black, the symbiote, the god.

01:25:29.953 --> 01:25:32.375
Yeah, he is a fragment of Oblivion.

01:25:32.855 --> 01:25:35.979
And then lastly, we have the one above all and the one below all.

01:25:35.979 --> 01:25:41.212
The one above all claims to be the creator of everything and the source of all that there is and that will ever be.

01:25:41.212 --> 01:25:47.557
This is also a character that was created and meant to represent the writer and the creator, like the artist of the actual comic.

01:25:47.557 --> 01:25:48.288
That's cool.

01:25:48.288 --> 01:25:52.671
It's a way of them sort of referencing themselves in the comic, which is interesting.

01:25:54.033 --> 01:25:55.404
Kind of narcissistic.

01:25:55.970 --> 01:25:57.243
and ever will be.

01:25:57.243 --> 01:25:59.157
That's pretty cool.

01:25:59.157 --> 01:26:01.810
then you have the one below all who was recently introduced in the comics.

01:26:01.810 --> 01:26:08.895
It wants to destroy all of creation resides in the lowest point of reality called the below place which it rules and is a cosmic law of balance.

01:26:08.895 --> 01:26:21.948
Basically the one below all is responsible for all the gamma radiation on earth and throughout the universe that creates the Hulk's and this gets better better explained and actually the one below all is shown first in the immortal Hulk run from Al Ewing.

01:26:21.948 --> 01:26:24.689
um That's right.

01:26:24.887 --> 01:26:27.731
So there's the hierarchy of the cosmic beings of the Marvel Universe, Aaron.

01:26:27.731 --> 01:26:31.434
Do you feel like you know all things Marvel Universe now?

01:26:31.434 --> 01:26:32.773
I feel so in that.

01:26:32.773 --> 01:26:33.323
you for that.

01:26:33.323 --> 01:26:33.774
Absolutely.

01:26:33.774 --> 01:26:34.435
No problem.

01:26:34.435 --> 01:26:36.086
Let's talk about let's do some complaining really quick.

01:26:36.086 --> 01:26:38.497
Let's let's cleanse this palette.

01:26:38.859 --> 01:26:42.141
Shake off all that knowledge because we're about to get real in cell real quick.

01:26:42.141 --> 01:26:42.862
OK.

01:26:42.904 --> 01:26:43.582
Gross.

01:26:43.582 --> 01:26:44.622
Nasty.

01:26:44.622 --> 01:26:45.682
Let's talk about Shalabal.

01:26:45.682 --> 01:26:51.528
Before I get into my sort of bit, thoughts on sort of Shalabal's part.

01:26:51.588 --> 01:26:54.530
we don't necessarily, I don't want to besmirch Julia Gardner.

01:26:54.530 --> 01:26:55.431
I love Julia Gardner.

01:26:55.431 --> 01:26:56.432
I loved her in Ozark.

01:26:56.432 --> 01:27:01.768
I loved her in the new werewolf movie or whatever the universal movie.

01:27:01.768 --> 01:27:04.461
She's going to be in weapons next week when we cover that film.

01:27:04.461 --> 01:27:10.072
So I love her as an actor, but like as Shalabal, the character in the movie, what are your thoughts?

01:27:10.072 --> 01:27:11.233
mean, I didn't have a problem with her.

01:27:11.233 --> 01:27:14.286
Like she just wasn't really, wasn't really much of anything.

01:27:14.286 --> 01:27:18.810
She was just kind of vanilla up there, like being, you know, the silver surfer.

01:27:18.810 --> 01:27:33.484
I don't think that anything really that she, I mean, again, you have like this, this, character who is supposed to be kind of neutral, kind of be like, kind of be like nothing, just like, like, again, the Herald just coming.

01:27:33.484 --> 01:27:37.113
Harold this planet, Harold Galactus.

01:27:37.899 --> 01:27:38.801
Okay, sounds like that.

01:27:38.801 --> 01:27:43.922
Harold, I'm Rich, know, I'm JFK.

01:27:43.922 --> 01:27:47.399
I, Harold Galact- It's not about what you can do for your planet.

01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:49.297
It's about what you can do for your universe.

01:27:49.297 --> 01:27:50.439
Galactus' hunger.

01:27:50.439 --> 01:28:05.842
um just, again, like I think that her character was not one that maybe, maybe she wasn't, I can't say she was right or wrong for this role because the character of the Silver Surfer is that of a neutral being who is there to herald the coming of Galactus.

01:28:05.842 --> 01:28:09.957
They are there to basically say, sorry guys, time's up.

01:28:09.957 --> 01:28:10.738
You fucked.

01:28:10.738 --> 01:28:11.399
Yeah.

01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:12.078
You know?

01:28:12.078 --> 01:28:15.381
So how, mean, I can't really like...

01:28:15.677 --> 01:28:18.631
say that there was anything remarkable about the role.

01:28:18.631 --> 01:28:21.164
I can't say there was anything remarkable about her acting.

01:28:21.164 --> 01:28:28.814
If anything, the thing, the only thing that really kind of was like, I caught myself kind of like, was like the surfing scenes on some of the, some of the scenes.

01:28:29.375 --> 01:28:32.439
I thought they were kind of cool, but I'm just like, this is interesting.

01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:33.020
Like it's interesting.

01:28:33.020 --> 01:28:33.801
It's a choice.

01:28:33.801 --> 01:28:34.934
It was a choice.

01:28:34.934 --> 01:28:38.597
Is it because she's a cosmic being and she probably doesn't know what a surfboard is?

01:28:38.597 --> 01:28:39.359
Yes.

01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:39.878
Interesting.

01:28:39.878 --> 01:28:40.399
Yeah.

01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:41.289
That's always been a thing.

01:28:41.289 --> 01:28:49.328
Like, I actually, as a giant Silver Surfer fan, I don't really know why Galactus chose Norrin or Shala in this instance to look like a surfer.

01:28:49.328 --> 01:28:54.502
Like, I know why Jack Kirby did it, but I don't know why Galactus did it in like the larger Marvel universe.

01:28:54.502 --> 01:28:55.474
You know what mean?

01:28:55.532 --> 01:28:58.431
Yeah, just put a dude flying around like, you know, like, I don't know.

01:28:58.431 --> 01:29:02.626
And he's the only one, Noren and Shala are the only ones that are like turn silver and get a board.

01:29:02.626 --> 01:29:07.270
Everybody, every other Herald of Galactus is just like their normal outfit.

01:29:07.270 --> 01:29:12.783
Like they just wear whatever, you So anyway, you probably, everyone listening, you're probably like, wow, Chris is really going to lean in.

01:29:12.783 --> 01:29:14.136
He's really going to go in on this.

01:29:14.136 --> 01:29:14.876
Here's the thing.

01:29:14.876 --> 01:29:18.939
I like, I don't, I don't mind this interpretation so much.

01:29:18.939 --> 01:29:23.002
My only question is, and I think maybe my biggest issue with it is why?

01:29:23.083 --> 01:29:26.347
Why, why did they gender bend Silver Surfer for this movie?

01:29:26.347 --> 01:29:31.009
And I talked to Libby about this the other day when we went to go see it and she made fun of me because I was ranting for 10 minutes.

01:29:31.009 --> 01:29:42.252
But like, if you're going to do that, like if you're going to switch up, you know, the race or the ethnicity or the sex or whatever, okay, I'm down for that.

01:29:42.252 --> 01:29:48.444
If it helps the story and it makes the character better for that story, absolutely, I'm down for it.

01:29:48.444 --> 01:29:57.161
But I'm just wondering why in this movie with this version of Shala Ball slash Silver Surfer, why this version of Silver Surfer, why not Norenrad?

01:29:57.368 --> 01:30:00.650
I feel like there's gonna be a reason for it in the future.

01:30:01.134 --> 01:30:05.319
Sure, we can operate under those assumptions, but what if not?

01:30:05.962 --> 01:30:10.680
What if we're wrong from earlier and Shala Ball is the Silver Surfer for our normal universe again?

01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:15.399
This is going to be one of those situations where it's going to be like, you know, they're like, they're going to either accept it or they won't.

01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:17.323
Like there's nothing that we can do about it.

01:30:17.323 --> 01:30:17.743
Yeah.

01:30:17.743 --> 01:30:23.118
You know, if anything, I'd say this is probably one of the least, the last things to get really hung up on.

01:30:23.118 --> 01:30:23.797
Not for me.

01:30:23.797 --> 01:30:26.118
I cared a lot about this, Aaron, if you remember.

01:30:26.198 --> 01:30:29.278
And the thing is, I purposefully held contempt.

01:30:29.278 --> 01:30:35.457
I purposely held judgment because I wanted to see the movie and see how this character was played and her role in this film.

01:30:35.457 --> 01:30:40.177
And after leaving the film and seeing it twice, I'm still left wondering why Shawla Ball.

01:30:40.177 --> 01:30:45.278
If like they changed her backstory or if they made her characterization slightly different.

01:30:45.757 --> 01:30:51.478
Everyone, as a giant Silver Surfer, I can assure you this is exactly Noren's backstory.

01:30:51.478 --> 01:30:53.229
There's literally nothing different.

01:30:53.229 --> 01:30:55.069
I'm going to throw this out there.

01:30:55.069 --> 01:31:03.829
Perhaps because Galactus was thrown to another universe 616, they're going to realize that there's some kind of like surf off.

01:31:03.829 --> 01:31:05.069
There's going to like a surf competition.

01:31:05.069 --> 01:31:05.390
I'm kidding.

01:31:05.390 --> 01:31:07.069
No surf competition.

01:31:07.630 --> 01:31:08.390
Far out.

01:31:08.390 --> 01:31:10.189
It's going to be like summer 2005, man.

01:31:10.189 --> 01:31:12.550
We're going to have two surfers surfing it out.

01:31:12.550 --> 01:31:14.109
Let's see who wins.

01:31:14.310 --> 01:31:17.550
No, it's, know, obviously they're going to have to do something.

01:31:17.550 --> 01:31:19.170
They're going to have to go after Galactus.

01:31:19.170 --> 01:31:22.130
They're going to have to go after, you know, into this other universe.

01:31:22.305 --> 01:31:29.679
Who knows, maybe again, because going into a different universe, maybe there is another Galactus with another Silver Surfer and there's gonna be like some kind of like figured out.

01:31:29.679 --> 01:31:36.510
And at that point now, Shalabal is no longer gonna be the Silver Surfer and can now be with maybe Johnny Storm.

01:31:36.514 --> 01:31:43.296
That's the reason I think they did it, which I think is an absolutely idiotic, stupid reason, is they wanted Johnny Storm to be horny for somebody in this movie.

01:31:43.417 --> 01:31:49.140
That's what I don't like, is that they just wanted to sort of be like, aha, Johnny has a crush on the silver lady.

01:31:49.140 --> 01:31:50.242
That's not interesting to me.

01:31:50.242 --> 01:32:11.466
think all the scenes where they had Johnny being all sprung for Shah La Ball, they could have just supplemented that with actual backstory, because of all the backstory that we get of Shah La Ball in this film, it's her looking, hanging out with her daughter, presumably, looking out into the ocean and then like the world eater shows up and then she becomes silver surfer.

01:32:11.466 --> 01:32:14.019
That's all the backstory we get on Zen Law.

01:32:14.019 --> 01:32:16.890
like again, maybe I sound maybe maybe I'm alone here.

01:32:16.890 --> 01:32:22.903
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks that this is a silly creative decision to gender been silver surfer for literally no reason.

01:32:22.903 --> 01:32:24.823
Again, do it if it makes sense.

01:32:24.823 --> 01:32:26.284
Do it if you're to do something different.

01:32:26.284 --> 01:32:29.067
Do it if it makes sense for the story or if you got a great actor.

01:32:29.067 --> 01:32:31.858
And I'm not saying that, you know, Julia Gardner is not a great actor.

01:32:31.858 --> 01:32:32.828
She absolutely is.

01:32:32.828 --> 01:32:35.369
But like they had like Keith Stanfield.

01:32:35.449 --> 01:32:39.011
He was like campaigning and like he was brought in for an audition for this role.

01:32:39.011 --> 01:32:40.810
He could have played Silver Surfer.

01:32:40.832 --> 01:32:45.912
So you can't tell me that there weren't like a laundry list of great actors willing to play this character.

01:32:45.912 --> 01:32:49.533
So again, maybe I'm, I know you don't care Aaron, I'm sure probably the listeners don't care.

01:32:49.533 --> 01:32:54.335
I just had to get that off my chest because again, I've been sitting with this since they announced that Julia Gardner was going to be Silver Surfer.

01:32:54.335 --> 01:32:59.315
That I was willing to hold judgment until the time came that we saw the movie.

01:32:59.497 --> 01:33:04.608
And now that we've seen the movie, I am still left bewildered as to why they made Shah LaPaule Silver Surfer.

01:33:04.641 --> 01:33:14.648
In time, and that's the only reason I'm accepting it, is because I think in time, it will reveal itself, the reasoning behind it.

01:33:14.648 --> 01:33:21.181
And that's all we can do, as Marvel fans who waited decades to figure out what the fuck the Gauntlet was all about.

01:33:21.181 --> 01:33:23.033
We'll get there, okay?

01:33:23.895 --> 01:33:27.389
Do think we get Norenrad in Secret Wars and Doomsday?

01:33:27.389 --> 01:33:28.029
Yes.

01:33:28.029 --> 01:33:28.479
All right.

01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:29.530
That'd be cool.

01:33:29.530 --> 01:33:33.635
Listen, all of these complaints, throw them in the trash if we get Norenrad in 616.

01:33:33.635 --> 01:33:34.536
That's all I want.

01:33:34.536 --> 01:33:37.442
know, like, I just want them to make Norenrad Silver Surfer.

01:33:37.442 --> 01:33:39.541
How mad would you be if we don't?

01:33:39.837 --> 01:33:43.064
If they just make it shallow ball again, I'll be pretty mad.

01:33:43.064 --> 01:33:44.046
Honestly.

01:33:45.250 --> 01:33:47.484
And I don't want to sound like again because it's she's a woman.

01:33:47.484 --> 01:33:47.984
I don't care.

01:33:47.984 --> 01:33:48.942
Like I'm totally fine.

01:33:48.942 --> 01:33:51.944
about It's about just like the again, I get it.

01:33:51.944 --> 01:33:54.167
There's like there's like a reasoning behind it.

01:33:54.167 --> 01:33:55.698
Don't change stuff.

01:33:55.698 --> 01:34:00.713
That's like without like a specific reason and then like again, this isn't fucking season one of Lost.

01:34:00.713 --> 01:34:04.417
Like I don't want to have to wait 20 more years to figure out why they're on the island.

01:34:04.417 --> 01:34:04.648
Right.

01:34:04.648 --> 01:34:06.622
All right, Aaron, we've talked about this thing enough.

01:34:06.622 --> 01:34:08.381
I just want to say two incredible scenes.

01:34:08.381 --> 01:34:09.387
We already talked about them.

01:34:09.387 --> 01:34:09.698
Dr.

01:34:09.698 --> 01:34:11.332
Doom shows up to Franklin.

01:34:11.332 --> 01:34:14.698
We get a intro to the fake 1960s cartoon.

01:34:14.698 --> 01:34:15.640
That's the incredible scenes.

01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:17.171
They're pretty throwaway.

01:34:17.363 --> 01:34:19.404
that cartoon one pissed me off.

01:34:19.404 --> 01:34:34.537
Yeah, I will say the cool part though was at the end of the film they ended it with a Jack Kirby quote which was, And I think for a long time Jack Kirby has not gotten his due.

01:34:34.537 --> 01:34:37.498
I think Stan Lee has been sort of in the spotlight since the beginning.

01:34:37.498 --> 01:34:44.180
If you've read up on your history of Marvel comics, you know that Stan Lee often threw himself into the spotlight, always.

01:34:44.180 --> 01:34:53.622
And Jack Kirby, Steve Jetko, folks like them were left sort of at their art table, sort of left without, with little to no credit.

01:34:53.622 --> 01:34:54.703
Or flowers, absolutely.

01:34:54.703 --> 01:34:55.125
Yeah.

01:34:55.125 --> 01:34:57.006
I'm not to that Stan Lee is not worth anything.

01:34:57.006 --> 01:35:04.173
We know, everybody here knows that we love Stan Lee, but like Jack Kirby, you can make a strong argument that Jack Kirby created a lot of these characters.

01:35:04.173 --> 01:35:05.123
So, shout out to the king.

01:35:05.123 --> 01:35:08.608
All right, Aaron, final thoughts on Fantastic Four First Steps.

01:35:08.855 --> 01:35:10.028
I had fun, I enjoyed it.

01:35:10.028 --> 01:35:12.403
didn't think it was great.

01:35:12.403 --> 01:35:16.814
We saw it pretty late, I did kind of, there was like a moment where I did fall asleep.

01:35:16.814 --> 01:35:17.793
We did see that 10 p.m.

01:35:17.793 --> 01:35:18.613
We should say that.

01:35:18.613 --> 01:35:22.293
like, yeah, get out of theater to like 1 30 and west west coast time.

01:35:22.293 --> 01:35:24.453
So it's like four o'clock in the morning East Coast.

01:35:24.453 --> 01:35:25.166
We were.

01:35:25.166 --> 01:35:26.247
Brutally tired.

01:35:26.247 --> 01:35:26.587
Yes.

01:35:26.587 --> 01:35:32.277
I will I will say this like again not not a terrible film not a terrible film Not a terrible movie.

01:35:32.277 --> 01:35:36.677
I did I did very much enjoy it more than Thunderbolts though Sure.

01:35:36.677 --> 01:35:37.398
Okay.

01:35:37.398 --> 01:35:38.418
That makes sense.

01:35:38.418 --> 01:35:38.759
Yeah.

01:35:38.759 --> 01:35:44.720
Again, as I said, it's sort of this weird amalgamation of average to cool things.

01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:46.501
It's showing me a lot of things that I like.

01:35:46.501 --> 01:35:49.372
It's doing a lot of things that I asked for from a movie like this.

01:35:49.372 --> 01:35:51.582
Like I wanted this space age.

01:35:51.582 --> 01:35:52.743
I wanted the Fantastic Four.

01:35:52.743 --> 01:35:54.703
I'm a huge Fantastic Four fan.

01:35:54.703 --> 01:36:01.465
Two of my favorite characters in comics, not Marvel DC comics as a whole, are Doctor Doom and Silver Surfer.

01:36:01.465 --> 01:36:05.626
So I have a very strong attachment to this corner of the Marvel universe.

01:36:05.966 --> 01:36:12.445
And I liked some of it, but I didn't like enough of it to come out totally satisfied.

01:36:12.445 --> 01:36:13.506
You know what mean?

01:36:13.985 --> 01:36:18.365
So for that, and I'll go and give my rating, Aaron, first, because you often give yours first.

01:36:18.365 --> 01:36:19.225
Out of five David A.

01:36:19.225 --> 01:36:22.570
Weiner's, I'm going to give Fantastic Four first steps a 3.5 out of.

01:36:22.570 --> 01:36:25.448
Yeah, it's funny because we always do it very much the same way.

01:36:25.448 --> 01:36:26.796
I was gonna give it a three.

01:36:26.796 --> 01:36:27.646
Okay.

01:36:27.929 --> 01:36:28.789
It's interesting.

01:36:28.789 --> 01:36:31.095
I honestly thought that you would like this movie more than I did.

01:36:31.095 --> 01:36:36.795
Just based on our conversations about- I mean, again, I really liked the way that it looked aesthetically.

01:36:36.795 --> 01:36:40.525
I really liked the Galactus design.

01:36:40.525 --> 01:36:48.438
The things for me that I really enjoyed about it were not the things that mattered in the grand scheme of the film.

01:36:48.438 --> 01:36:55.399
Again, the power scaling between Galactus and like Sue Storm and some of these guys, it wasn't there for me.

01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:55.810
I don't know.

01:36:55.810 --> 01:37:02.601
I even feel like this point, the fact that, again, the Herald of Galactus could knock him back into a black hole.

01:37:02.797 --> 01:37:04.430
to me is like a problem.

01:37:04.430 --> 01:37:12.569
Sure, I mean there are instances where Silver Surfer goes up against Galactus but very similar to like my favorite, one of my favorite stories of all time is Silver Surfer parable.

01:37:12.569 --> 01:37:19.250
Galactus shows up one day and he has to sort of take on Galactus by himself and one character asked him, he's like, why are you doing this?

01:37:19.250 --> 01:37:20.630
Like he's gonna kill you.

01:37:20.630 --> 01:37:31.050
You have no shot at beating Galactus and Silver Surfer was part of the reason why I love him so much is because he nobly says, you don't do things because you think you're gonna win or because you think that you're gonna get praise.

01:37:31.050 --> 01:37:32.789
You do it because it's the right thing to do.

01:37:32.789 --> 01:37:34.119
And I, but I tend to agree with you there.

01:37:34.119 --> 01:37:37.600
think it's interesting that like these characters were able to take on Galactus.

01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:39.231
But point being, we've already talked about it.

01:37:39.231 --> 01:37:40.391
Let's get out of here.

01:37:40.391 --> 01:37:44.873
That'll do it for our conversation about both Sandia Comic-Con and Fantastic Four.

01:37:44.873 --> 01:37:46.673
Great week for nerding, I'll say.

01:37:46.673 --> 01:37:47.533
Third week of July?

01:37:47.533 --> 01:37:48.215
What a time.

01:37:48.215 --> 01:37:49.545
Great.

01:37:49.545 --> 01:37:50.215
Absolutely.

01:37:50.215 --> 01:37:50.694
Good times.

01:37:50.694 --> 01:37:53.076
Glad I got to see you twice in two weeks.

01:37:53.076 --> 01:37:54.036
Very fun.

01:37:54.036 --> 01:38:00.608
Aaron, next week on the show, episode 202, we're going to be joined by good friend of the show, fellow podcaster of the Camp Cryptid podcast.

01:38:00.608 --> 01:38:03.359
Erica Fett will be joining us back here on the show.

01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:06.347
Again, every time we cover a horror film, we've got to bring Erica back on.

01:38:06.347 --> 01:38:08.301
We've got to bring in the big guns, the experts.

01:38:08.301 --> 01:38:17.146
So she's going to be here to join us to talk about the highly anticipated Zack Kroeger mystery horror weapons, which again, as we said, stars Julia Gardner.

01:38:17.146 --> 01:38:23.251
also shows our stars Josh Brolin and I think Benedict Wong, I think is also in it as well.

01:38:23.251 --> 01:38:23.610
Yeah.

01:38:23.610 --> 01:38:25.292
So very excited for that film.

01:38:25.292 --> 01:38:26.492
Very excited to chat with Erica.

01:38:26.492 --> 01:38:28.113
Always great to talk to her.

01:38:28.172 --> 01:38:29.837
And yeah, and that'll do it.

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