MOVIE REVIEW: Weapons w/ Erica Fett

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Hey, it's David Weiner, writer, director, producer of the In Search of Darkness trilogy and the upcoming In Search of Darkness 90s and In Search of Tomorrow, and a guy who's constantly on eBay trying to reclaim his childhood one toy at a time.

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And you are listening to the Oblivion Bar.

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to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Norris.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 202 of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I'm your depressed alcoholic elementary teacher, Chris Hacker.

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And joining me is the hair collecting hot dog loving co-host and BFF, Aaron Nolte.

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Just Naruto running around town with the stamina of a Clydesdale, by the way.

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That's right.

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Just eyes popping out.

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Truly in the moment.

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Yeah.

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Aaron, we're not alone this week.

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I'm sure.

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my God, we're not.

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Yeah.

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The people that are, you know, clicked on this episode probably know that A, we're talking about Zach Kroeger's second entry in his already impressive horror filmography weapons, but we're also joined by our good friend and uh monster enthusiast, world renowned cosplayer and host of the Sci-Fi Horror Podcast, Camp Cryptid, Eric Afet.

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Thank you so much for joining us back on the Oblivion Bar Podcast.

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Just so excited to talk to you all again.

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So the moment we hopped on camera, we're immediately just like bam, bam, bam, bam, craziness.

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Things are happening.

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All of a sudden, Erica just like pops on is like all of it coming to you at once.

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So Erica, we appreciate you not only joining us again, but dealing with that.

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Anytime, happily here.

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She fits right in.

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Like we could just have the conversation.

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She'll just pick up.

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She's right in it.

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I'm like, man, give me that tea.

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You know, that's exactly why we wanted to have you back on Erica.

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Not only because you gel so well with Aaron and I and our Tom Fullery, but also that you love horror as much as we do.

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I think folks that have been listening to the Oblivion Bar long.

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Horror.

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Horror.

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H-O-R-R-O-R.

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oh bit of everything right there.

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People who have been listening to the Oblivion Bar long enough know that Aaron and I mostly deal with like, know, nerd culture, comics, video games, anime.

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But I think if we have like, and Aaron, correct me if you think I'm sort of off base here.

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I will.

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I know you will.

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If there's like a side genre that we absolutely love and generally Kyanon, it's horror, right?

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And Erica, that's sort of your area of expertise, the thing that you love the most.

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And I'd love for folks who haven't gone back and listened to our first episode together, which was covering Oz Perkins, The Monkey from earlier.

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Was it earlier this year?

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Was that earlier this year?

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Time is weird.

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It's a construct.

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my gosh, think it was like, yeah, when did that come out?

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know.

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can't remember.

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anyway, if people hadn't listened to that episode, we hope that people do, Erika, tell the folks a little bit about like who you are, what you do over at Cam Cryptid and all those things.

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Yeah.

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So hi everyone.

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I'm Erica Fett.

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For those of you who haven't seen me online, I am a model, cosplayer, and podcast host of a little podcast named Camp Cryptid.

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um I mostly love to infuse sci-fi and horror into my work, whether that be like modeling themes or cosplay themes.

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And I just kind of carry that over into my podcast.

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So I get to do a lot of crossovers with all of my work, but...

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I'm really into World of Warcraft.

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I'm really into Warhammer.

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And I love horror.

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It's one of those genres that I have loved pretty much all my life.

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So getting to talk to these two awesome dudes about it is like an awesome way to spend my weekend.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, we're patrons of yours over at Camp Cryptid.

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We're lucky enough to have you over on our side as well, which we absolutely adore and love.

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You have a t-shirt on the way.

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Happy six months on the grid.

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So we'll have one coming your way.

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And I will ask you just really quickly on the Camp Cryptid side of things.

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You had a new episode.

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Was it last week?

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Okay.

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What did you cover last week?

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Because it's escaping me right now and I wanted to highlight it for the listeners.

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yes.

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So uh I do a lot of local festivals and that's kind of like one of the things I like to highlight in my podcast is like if there's urban legends and folklore of certain areas and regions to like go out and support those local festivals and kind of promote travel and promote, ah you know, supporting small business and small vendors within the community.

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And I had Squonka Palooza, which was in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.

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And, ah you know, that episode, just kind of focused on all the lore uh cryptids and hauntings of Pennsylvania because, you know, between Gettysburg and Pennhurst and all the cryptids there, there's a lot going on in Pennsylvania.

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So I just kind of wanted to celebrate, you know, being in that region and kind of give everybody that was there that weekend a little, you know, taste of everything that Pennsylvania has to offer.

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So squonk.

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I am by far not inclined in geographical stuff, is Pennsylvania, is that considered like part of Appalachia, Appalachians?

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So Mothman.

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Yeah.

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That is from that area.

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Okay.

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So it's crazy because Pennsylvania actually has kind of its own version of Mothman and it's called the Butler gargoyle and it's kind of like the similar, you know, has the red eyes like winged, like giant humanoid.

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Dressed like a button, which I yeah, that's another thing I love when I research these podcasts.

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I'm like, I had no idea that was a thing.

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yeah, Pennsylvania's little Butler gargoyle.

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Speaking of cryptids, we did give you an official nickname and I think that we wanted to check with you to make sure that that was fitting.

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And I kind of, I'll kind of take a little bit of the credit because I'll take it.

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we called you, we have named you and again, you can totally tell us to try again.

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The official Nessie of the Oblivion bar pond.

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I love that.

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Just a beautiful mystery.

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Yeah, just pops her head out of the water every once in a while.

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so we thought it was fitting, you know.

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I mean, I love Nessie was one.

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mean, obviously, I feel like it's kind of like the entryway for cryptids for a lot of us growing up.

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uh Yeah, What was that episode?

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um was like Champy, wasn't it?

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Or something like that?

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Poor dog in that episode.

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That's like the one where it's like at the end like Fox is on like he's like in the middle of this like pond or lake or something and then all of a sudden he's just like next to the shore and they're like where did you come from?

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And he's like oh I was on the I thought I was like I just found a rock and it like you know the assumption is that it was like a Nessie type creature that ferried him almost like a I'm gonna say a Blastoise using surf to HMO3 I believe.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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get him to the shore.

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There you go.

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think that's maybe and everyone, I don't know if we need to say this, but just for the layman, Nessie being the Loch Ness monster.

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hope I don't have to say that, but I will just in case there are people.

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We don't want to get a comment.

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You know how that is.

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Pris-side offence insulting your intelligence.

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assumed audience talking down, you know, just like he does constantly Well, Erin, you know what?

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Get it together.

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If you stay that long.

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That's right.

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And you should.

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And uh we decided before we started recording here with Erica that, you know, last time we put it through the ringer with a bunch of nerd news that, know, who cares about what's happening in the nerd world?

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We're doing horror today.

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We're doing Halloween early in the summer.

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think there's a lot more people doing like Halloween in the summer now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I've been seeing that a lot.

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main topic.

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Alrighty, let's talk about Zack Kragger's second entry and the latest horror film happening now here in 2025.

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So spoilers ahead.

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If you have not seen weapons yet, highly recommend that you do that.

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That's right, Hong Kong, because if you want to listen to this episode here, we're going to be talking full spoilers.

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I think it's almost impossible to talk about this film in a respectful way without talking about some details, right?

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And I will say you guys can tell me if maybe you feel something differently, but I think knowing the least amount about this movie is the proper way to go in.

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Like I would say if you haven't seen a trailer yet, but you're interested in this conversation, this movie, just go like we're just gonna tell you straight, you know, at least I'll say go see the film.

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I slightly disagree only because just like Barbarian, you could watch the trailer and still have no idea what you are in store for.

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No idea.

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you, like, yes.

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Trailer says kids disappeared from a classroom.

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Right.

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Josh Brolin's mad.

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Josh! Roland's mad and and you know, they run like fucking Naruto.

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But that's at the end of the day, that's all you know.

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And it's not even it is literally just skimming the surface.

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Right.

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Erica, let me ask you really quick.

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Did you see Barbarian?

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Okay.

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What were your thoughts?

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Cause we covered, funny enough, we've covered both of Zach Kroeger's films after this one.

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Yeah.

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And I think Erin, we both liked it.

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We were both sort of very surprised by it as most people who have seen it were.

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What were your thoughts on Barbarian Erica?

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You know, I actually really enjoyed it.

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It's almost like watching two little mini horror movies within a movie.

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I thought it was really good.

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had like a lot of comedic relief too in certain parts.

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But overall, I thought it was so gnarly and I wish I could have like uh tried to get that role of the being that's down in the tunnels.

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Yeah, I actually showed Barbarian to my partner Olivia two weeks ago in preparation to go see weapons together.

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And she knew nothing as we talked about here.

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I think that's the proper way to see Barbarian and to see the roller coaster of emotions of not only finding out that there's this weird tunnel basement below your your Airbnb, but also that there's this crazy mom inbred monster, but also Jump cut to Justin Long singing a 70s pop song randomly.

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this all of it together is just like this perfect mixture of what I think Zach Craig does so well.

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And Erica, you mentioned it in your analysis of Barbarian is that he does an incredible job of mixing sort of the psychological horror with the absurdist.

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I'm sorry.

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just say um psychological.

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Yeah.

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Psychological horror with like absurdist comedy.

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Right.

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I think that's like the perfect, perfect mixture of what Zach Craig does really well.

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And I want to ask you both just sort of an Aaron, I'm going to pass it off to you here.

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Initial thoughts on weapons, know, leaving this film.

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What were your feelings about this movie?

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Well, I'm going start with how I felt about Barbarian because I didn't get a chance to chime in on that.

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We talked about it for an hour and a half.

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We did.

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I feel like I should be given the opportunity to re-lay my feelings.

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this is what happens when there's a third person in the third chair.

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gets a little sensitive.

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I'm sensitive.

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I told you.

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Okay.

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I'm a little sensitive.

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um No barbarian.

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Exactly.

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I just, I'm going to echo what you said.

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And then moving on to.

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said and everything all that for all that as my opinions and go with it.

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Mirrored um weapons, man.

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Weapons is, it's exactly the vibe of Barbarian and it suits it very well.

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It's fitting, but again, just like Barbarian, like you don't really understand what you're in store for.

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And as you watch this immersive story just unfold in front of you and it's almost, it's incredibly well done because it's like this, I don't want to call it superficial, but there's so like little.

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like info that's being, it's like a buffet.

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Everything's kind of spread out in front of you.

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And you think you know like five things down the line, you're like, I definitely want that.

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But then by the time you get there, your plate is already full with all the everything that you've gotten already, all the portions.

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And like, now you need a second plate because you just need more.

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And that's the way I would say that this movie is.

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it was fun, even more so now to talk about afterwards, that that was the experience and how it rounds itself out with that absurdist comedy at the end.

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Yeah, Erica, how about you?

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No, I loved it.

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I thought that the storytelling aspect was insane in that movie.

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And it's amazing that it's a two hour movie or something like I don't remember the exact runtime, but it's like you go like an hour and a half, like trying to piece together what the hell you're watching, like what's going on.

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um And then when it finally like sinks in, you're like, okay, that's fucking cool.

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So.

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I thought it was so enjoyable the entire time.

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I said, even though it was like a longer movie, it didn't seem like it was that long because it was so ah it just had you kind of like in this grasp of storytelling where you're just like, give me more.

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I need more of this story.

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So very cool.

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I think to sort of speak on what you're both saying, and I absolutely agree, I'll echo it as well, that like the way that Zach Craig trickles out storylines through other characters within their own storyline is I think what makes this film so appetizing, right?

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Like it's sort of satisfying in that way because you're seeing things happen from another person's lens.

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And I think there's something to be said about like the unreliable narrator.

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And we see that a little bit in the side story and I'm spacing his name right now, but the kid who's Like the drug addict kid who gets attacked by James.

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James, I think.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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Um, sort of in his storyline, the way that Alden Eichreich's Paul character, the way he reacts in their sort of altercation together, Paul's reaction to that moment when he realizes that he effed up and punched the kid after being stabbed by a needle.

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It's different.

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I don't know if you caught that sort of subtle difference that like while Alden's story is being told, I guess Alden Wright, Paul's character is being told he's very apologetic, nervous, scared.

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But then when you have James's story.

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being told much later in the movie, Paul is like more angry and like assertive and more, I guess what most people say like more cop-like, right?

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Like more sort of in your face and sort of power hungry, right?

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I just found that really interesting.

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And I will just say from like a technical standpoint, Zach Craigor, what he does, there's this particular shot that he kept doing both in this film.

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And I noticed it also in Barbarian, where it's like a static dolly shot, right?

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You're looking at a character and there's a lot of foreground, a lot of like uh the setting is in the shot.

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And the way that he moves the camera very quickly to the left or to the right, almost as like you're like seeing something the same time as the character that he's focusing on is so amazing.

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And I know that I'm sure that's probably not a creation of Zach Craigert, but like the way he uses it in these films, both in Barbarian and in weapons is so satisfying because I hate a jump scare in film.

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I think it releases all this pent up tension that is so valuable in horror films.

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Like the cheap jump scare is so annoying to me.

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But what you get in this film, every jump scare I think is so satisfying.

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That tension is literally palpable.

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can feel, you could cut the tension in the theater with a butter knife.

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It is so thick and it's amazing.

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Yeah, just to piggyback off of that, part, there's a part specifically that had me so uncomfortable and it's the car scene where you, yeah.

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That part where she pops in the back of the car at night.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I literally was like, that is genius.

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That is such like a, like, what a move.

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What a move.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Aaron is imitating the walk.

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Also, very similar.

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There's the scene as well.

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Obviously, Josh Brolin with his kid is very similar.

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But also is it Julia Gardner, her character, who again, I'm spacing out on top of my head here.

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it Gladys?

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Justine.

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Justine, the teacher.

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When she's home alone, it's sort of our first.

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And I think the film very expertly lets the audience know without outright telling them, without being that this is a dream.

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Right?

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Like there's this like very, um, right.

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What's a visual sort of a, uh, showing that like, yes, you see Justine in bed, but also here's the dream as well.

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Right.

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And, there's a scene where like she notices, she keeps hearing things in the bathroom and in the living room and then she goes to bed and she looks up and boom, there's a scary, I think it's a kid.

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Oh, was it Gladys?

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Okay.

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Gladys in her dream.

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So that's what I'm talking about.

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Like I think Zach Craiger is along with again, you know, speaking on the monkey from earlier, Oz Perkins, Ari Aster, naming others like there's a lot of great young voices and I'll say this in a very loose, how do I say this without sounding like a dick, elevated horror, right?

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Like this other than like slasher type of horror.

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I think we've got a lot of incredible folks in this class, but Aaron, I'm gonna pass it off to you.

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You know, again, folks that are listening to this probably already know the summary, but go ahead and give us a summary here for weapons.

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All right, I've been I've been working on this one for a second.

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Give me a Last night at 2 17 a.m.

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every child from Mrs.

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Gandy's class woke up, got out of bed, went downstairs, opened the front door, made a grocery list, walked into the dark and never came back.

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This is the story about the community that is left questioning who or what is behind their disappearance.

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Wow, that was spot on.

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Were you the narrator in the film?

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If you know, you know.

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Actually.

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Yeah, knew that.

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Uncredited.

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That's annoying.

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We need to talk to Zach Craig and New Line.

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him an email.

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I got a bounce back.

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So I think he me a fake email.

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That's annoying.

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right.

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Well, Erica, tell me about your crowd when you so I think if I sort of reading the tea leaves on social media, I think you may have seen this film first on Wednesday.

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Is that correct?

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I went on uh Thursday at 2 17.

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at 2 17.

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it really showing at 2 7?

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That is amazing.

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Okay.

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Tell us about that.

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And like at first when I was booking the tickets, I was like, why is it two 17?

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And then I was like, duh.

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uh You know, it was good.

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was, the crowd was really good.

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I would say, you know, for being a Thursday especially, but um you could really tell during the moments where it was very like full of like tension and suspense that like the crowd was really into it.

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And I was really hoping for post credit scenes.

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I don't know.

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I was like dying for some, some more of this story.

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I'm like, tell me more.

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But yeah, was a great time.

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had my pretzel and I was like good to go.

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to just imagine Gladys showing up at the end and the end credits scene and grabbing the Infinity Gauntlet and saying, fine, I'll do it myself.

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Yeah.

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Aaron, how was your viewing?

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know again, Eric, I don't know if you listen to a ton of the Oblivion Bar normal episodes, but one of our favorite running jokes between Aaron and I is like, how annoying was our crowd this week for this movie?

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So Aaron, how was your crowd for this one?

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Not too bad.

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I only had to shush once.

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I am a shusher versus a shut the F up.

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that's when I escalate.

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But honestly, I only had to shush one time.

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Carly and I were going to go see it together.

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And when we got to the theater, this was the mistake that we made.

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We did not buy tickets in advance.

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so we went, I think it was like a five o'clock showing or 540.

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The only thing that was left was the front row.

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And I don't feel like breaking my neck to watch this movie.

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So I actually, you we went home, but I bought a ticket for the, I want to say it was like nine o'clock, 9 p.m.

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showing.

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And when I got there, like, again, packed, packed audience, which you don't see a lot, to be honest.

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You don't see that really a lot.

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And so packed audience.

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And it's funny because you were mentioning the jump scares and they got me every single time.

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I was like, fuck, you know, and like I like audibly like shocked and like I have to keep up.

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I have to keep apologizing to like the guys to my left and right, because I was like, and like.

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I was like, I'm sorry.

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They're like, no, cool.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's funny.

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You could hear like people go after some of those jump scares in the crowd, right?

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Olivia and I went to go see it last night.

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We actually saw it in IMAX, which was really cool.

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You know, it's interesting.

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And we'll talk about it here in a moment during the box office section, but not a lot of horror films get that IMAX treatment, which, I think this film was better for it.

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And I remember, Aaron, you know, again, we talked about Barbarian on the show.

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We were excited about it based on the trailers, but I remember going to see Barbarian in theaters and it being like me and one other person.

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in like a normal theater.

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Again, it didn't get that IMAX treatment.

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So it is kind of cool to see people ultra excited for weapons.

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And again, it was competing against Freaky Friday and like two weeks old Fantastic Four and four weeks old Superman.

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But like at the same time, I think that horror is the new go-getter in terms of theater going, right?

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Like it brings out the casual crowd.

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It brings out people who don't often go to the theater and it's fun.

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And again, like if there's a uh film genre besides I would say like a big blockbuster superhero film.

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My second favorite crowd to be in when it's sort of interactive and people are really into it, in a respectful way of course, is horror, right?

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Like it's fun when everyone is sort of experienced in this film in a similar way.

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I think that the uh expectation for the longest time was horror was going to be the disappointment at the box office and superheroes, family films, Pixar, Dreamworks, Marvel, DC, like we're going to be the money makers.

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And unfortunately we've kind of those production houses, those companies are really losing their steam.

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I think really right now people are kind of shifting their view towards the other side of the spectrum and really seeing that horror is continuing to be the shocking, the impressive, the crowd pleasing genre that is consistently good or at least, because I mean, here's the thing, majority of Marvel, we talked about on the show, majority of Marvel has been meh or like kind of disappointing or okay.

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I mean, so far, I mean, think of a, can you think of a horror movie recently that released in theater that was disappointing to be honest?

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That's an excellent question, Erica.

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I'm gonna actually gonna annoyingly pass it off to you.

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Is there anything this year, because I'm gonna look at my letterbox while you're answering.

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Is there any horror films that you've seen this year that you were like, meh, not that great?

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No, to me, think that there are...

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I mean, here's the thing, is tough, Because there are different...

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People have different things that they find scary.

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You know, whether it's, you know, gore porn or, you know, the more like psychological intense thrillers.

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So it is, to me, it is a little bit harder to please the audience of horror, I think, because so many people find...

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There are differences in what they find scary.

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But for the most part, would say like, I'm one of those people who, as long as I'm like entertained in a film, I'm like thumbs up.

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know, like if it, if I like enjoyed it, you know, thumbs up.

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That's all I wanted.

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Thumbs up.

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Yeah.

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So it's like to me, I've seen, I mean, I literally watch, I try to find a new horror movie, like every single day to try to watch, whether it's, you know, obviously in the movie theaters or on streaming and stuff, just to also support.

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and D horror as well.

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But no, I mean, honestly, I've been pleasantly surprised with horror this year.

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I think we've had a great year for horror and I think the more and more people they give horror a chance, you know, I think the better.

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You know, you know, it's funny is that going, talking through all this.

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So I sort of keep a running list of the films that I've seen in 2025 and the, the last place in terms of horror is Wolfman, which coast, which coast star Julia Garger, who is in this film.

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So, and then I didn't not like Wolfman.

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I just think it's of the films that I've seen, you know, we're talking about like final destination bloodlines again, the monkey, which we talked about here together on the show, uh, hard eyes, this film, uh, centers, I guess you could consider a horror film.

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All of those films I think were.

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superior to Wolfman.

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But again, I'll echo what both of you guys are saying.

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Like horror has been really great in 2025.

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Again, I haven't seen Mithrigan 2.0 yet, but you know that.

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Yeah, I don't know what that is anymore.

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It's a sci-fi comedy, if anything.

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I mean, even things like The Gorge, which came out on Apple TV, was not bad.

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I mean, it was not great.

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But again, when you have properties like anything Marvel titled that is disappointing, and that's the baseline to shitty to disappointing to like, okay, if that's the area that they're consistently hitting, but then you take horror and horror is like great to okay.

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Like that's still a better area to be in and it's consistent.

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Death of a Unicorn, silly, stupid, but comedy horror, but fun.

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know, there's been quite, I mean, what was the one that you just mentioned?

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watched, we watched, um you just mentioned one the bloodlines.

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know, Carly and I just watched bloodlines and bloodlines was actually not horrible.

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It was, was, it's what you expect from, I don't know, the 38th Final Destination film.

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mean, you got more.

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another one too.

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uh You got like the same amount of final destinations as you do land before time.

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And I'm showing my age on that one.

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But yeah, it just got too much.

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It's like Alvin and the Chipmunks, another squeakle.

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And it's like, we don't need it.

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The Alvin the Chipmunks from like two years ago was actually pretty cool, I thought.

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I don't know, maybe I'm.

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I bet you Garfield too.

00:26:51.442 --> 00:27:02.048
uh Well, I would just want to talk really quickly about Zach Kroeger because and we'll talk about it more in depth here in just a moment, but he pitched weapons as uh sort of the script of a horror epic.

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And I know again, we talked about, but I think on sort of a subgenre level, and I think we can all agree on this, it's a more personal story about loss, partly because he lost his friend and co-star from the whitest kids you know, Trevor Moore, I think it was two years ago.

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And this film sort of instigated that inspiration.

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he, Kroeger went on to say that this script was partially inspired by those events, also Paul Thomas Anderson's Magnolia from 1999.

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And also I was really excited and surprised to hear this.

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Jennifer Egan's A Visit from a Goon Squad.

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I don't know if you guys have read this book and I'm currently holding up for the folks at home that can't see this.

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An incredible sort of masterclass in how to tell multiple character stories in this one through line, right?

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Like in a very similar as weapons, which again, you know, we're going to be, you know, we first follow Justine and then we go to Archer and then we go to you know, Alex at some point, actually we go to Alex at the end, but Paul's character, this book, A Visit from a Goon Squad, I cannot recommend highly enough, not only because it's incredible, but it does a very similar thing.

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You'll have a chapter where you'll follow one character and you'll meet the other characters that you'll have chapters on down the road.

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And I just find it really incredible.

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And it's cool to see that Zach Greger took inspiration from that.

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And then also to further capitalize on the themes of the film, some theaters, as Erica mentioned a moment ago, I didn't realize that you had done this, Erica.

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Some theaters were showing the film.

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at 2 17 in the morning.

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Aaron, I'm going to ask you and Erica both.

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Do you know the significance of the number 2 17 in this film?

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No, but I was thinking about it while I was watching the film because again, they explained kind of what the 217, like how, why it occurred at that time, or at least the time was.

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Um, but also I was, it was kind of odd because there were 17 kids in her classroom.

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And so that struck me as odd, but also it seemed like for whatever grade they were in, there was only two classrooms.

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So there was her classroom and another, so there's just like a lot of two and 17.

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Um, so, you know, Tell me more.

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Yeah, obviously I'm asking the question because I know and Eric, I'm going to ask you.

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Do you know?

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I I know I think most people listen to this probably understand that it's some Stephen King references, did we like watching the film, Erica, did you have that sort of knowledge beforehand or?

00:29:10.334 --> 00:29:17.559
So I didn't think Stephen King when I got the overall theme of the film, it made sense.

00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:17.869
Sure.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

00:29:18.780 --> 00:29:20.632
So here's what I found out about it.

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So 217 represents the number of votes that, and Zach Craig has talked about this quite a bit in interviews, you leading up to the release of weapons.

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It represented initially the votes of the bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which is a bill passed in 2022, which nationally bans the purchasing of assault weapons for minors and actually large firearms in general.

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The bill also includes extended background checks and firearm, for firearm purchases for people under the age of 21 as well.

00:29:45.069 --> 00:29:53.932
And m I think this is sort of a sort of holding up a clown mirror to that act because it's a lot of smoke and mirrors from, think this is what Zach is interpreting.

00:29:53.932 --> 00:30:03.055
Again, I'm maybe I'm off here, but it seems like this is Craig or saying you pass this bill as sort of this optic save me type of move.

00:30:03.055 --> 00:30:04.775
Like, Hey, look what I'm doing for the community.

00:30:04.775 --> 00:30:08.506
But in reality, this didn't change anything in terms of the overall safety for communities.

00:30:08.506 --> 00:30:15.061
Like you can throw out statistics all day, but in reality, the, the fact that we have assault weapons out there and we even see like a giant.

00:30:15.061 --> 00:30:19.222
assault weapon in one of the dreams that has the number 217 across it.

00:30:19.383 --> 00:30:21.144
You can't get any more literal than that.

00:30:21.144 --> 00:30:33.317
But I will say that like, yeah, I can totally see Craig are poking fun at this idea that like the U S government is trying to pass this bill to, uh you know, assault weapons to make schools safer.

00:30:33.317 --> 00:30:35.288
But in reality, it doesn't do anything.

00:30:35.288 --> 00:30:40.326
But again, as I mentioned a moment ago, Stephen King, here's the Stephen King reference room 217.

00:30:40.326 --> 00:30:42.894
I think most people who have read The Shining or Dr.

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Sleep know that that room is where the old naked lady is in.

00:30:46.326 --> 00:30:49.519
It's the green bathroom, 217.

00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:58.496
And also, and Aaron, you may know this because you're a big Stephen King fan yourself, 19 is also a very symbolic number for a lot of Stephen King's books and properties and such.

00:30:58.496 --> 00:31:26.965
Interesting enough though, for some reason, and I don't, maybe I didn't think about this before, but this makes a lot more sense now about his previous film, Barbarian, because if he's using this as kind of a vehicle to, you know, again, bring attention to assault weapons, bans, and this whole idea of it's supposed like, that we're supposed to be putting into legislation and putting into law, like these things that protect children uh from weapons or becoming weaponized.

00:31:27.082 --> 00:31:39.012
It's kind of the same thing if you think about it with Barbarian and how Airbnbs are kind of being overtaking the affordable housing market because they're all being bought out and turned into Airbnbs.

00:31:39.012 --> 00:31:53.678
And it's really becoming a problem for young Americans, especially young single folks, young married couples looking to buy their first home because of the lack of supply of homes available just to purchase at a reasonable cost.

00:31:53.678 --> 00:32:03.117
uh It does make more sense now why barbarianist is a little bit more of a commentary, a social commentary as well, and not just a uh psychological comedic horror type thing.

00:32:03.117 --> 00:32:04.377
Yeah, that's an excellent connection.

00:32:04.377 --> 00:32:06.157
And honestly, I didn't even put those two together.

00:32:06.157 --> 00:32:18.958
And Olivia and I were even talking after seeing weapons, the meaning of the name of weapons and also barbarian sort of a looser sense like on the surface, those two titles don't mean much to the overall story of what we just watched.

00:32:18.958 --> 00:32:23.478
But if you think about them a little more in depth and I do want to do that, I want to noodle on that here in just a moment.

00:32:23.478 --> 00:32:26.200
But Erica, I'm going to pass it off to you really quickly here.

00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.016
Tell us about Zach Craig a little bit here.

00:32:28.016 --> 00:32:28.898
Just a couple of notes here.

00:32:28.898 --> 00:32:33.632
Obviously he's really new in his career, but I just want to highlight sort of the stuff that he's doing and will be doing here soon.

00:32:33.632 --> 00:32:37.962
yeah, so I mean you have Barbarian, which I mean to me was like kind of like a cult classic.

00:32:37.962 --> 00:32:39.564
I mean it was instantly popular.

00:32:39.564 --> 00:32:43.944
uh A lot of people really, really loved it because it was so unexpected.

00:32:43.944 --> 00:32:54.688
And I think the best thing about his films is that so far you have this element of going in, especially when it's pleasantly like unknowing like anything about the movie.

00:32:54.688 --> 00:33:00.009
You really are in for a treat because he does so well with this storytelling aspect.

00:33:00.068 --> 00:33:03.516
And then you've got the Resident Evil reboot in 2020.

00:33:03.516 --> 00:33:06.266
Untitled Resident Evil review, which I'm very, very excited.

00:33:06.266 --> 00:33:09.330
I I know Aaron and I both love, well, I love Resident Evil.

00:33:09.330 --> 00:33:12.713
I think Aaron likes Resident Evil-ish, at least the video games.

00:33:12.713 --> 00:33:17.238
And Eric, I was going to ask you, because again, I know you, you sort of dive into multiple facets of horror and such.

00:33:17.238 --> 00:33:17.917
Yes.

00:33:17.917 --> 00:33:27.145
I think Resident Evil is the, I don't know, Night of the Living Dead, of course, is like a classic survival horror sort of genre uh flick.

00:33:27.145 --> 00:33:31.859
But I think Resident Evil for me as a young person, and I know that Resident Evil is inspired by Night of the Living Dead.

00:33:31.862 --> 00:33:35.698
What's your relationship to Resident Evil and did you ever play the games as a young person?

00:33:35.698 --> 00:33:37.090
Do you care about it now?

00:33:37.090 --> 00:33:39.086
now that you know, Zach Kragger is gonna be directing a new one.

00:33:39.086 --> 00:33:48.286
So yes, I actually have my T virus vials, like literally, literally right next to me, like all my umbrella.

00:33:49.766 --> 00:33:51.346
Literally, I love it.

00:33:51.346 --> 00:33:54.086
So I always loved Resident Evil.

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I grew up playing games.

00:33:55.766 --> 00:33:58.205
I have cosplayed Jill Valentine multiple times.

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I think I actually did it at New York Comic Con 2018.

00:34:02.105 --> 00:34:03.965
No, maybe 2022.

00:34:03.965 --> 00:34:05.862
I can't remember, but I've cosplayed her a lot.

00:34:05.902 --> 00:34:09.362
Which Jill are we talking Resident Evil 1, Resident Evil 3?

00:34:09.382 --> 00:34:11.469
think she in six, I think as well or five.

00:34:11.469 --> 00:34:21.059
I would say with the stars logo and a hat and everything like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:24.101
But I absolutely love Resident Evil.

00:34:24.101 --> 00:34:37.978
um And I think honestly, to me, Resident Evil was kind of one of the first great modern zombie movies that is it mixed like action with thriller with horror elements.

00:34:37.978 --> 00:34:42.311
And I think they did a really great job with that first the first movie.

00:34:42.311 --> 00:34:42.641
Yeah.

00:34:42.641 --> 00:34:47.565
Granted, I, you know, I watched them all because they're all, you know, they all have their own like little thing, but.

00:34:47.565 --> 00:34:48.565
You're better than me.

00:34:48.565 --> 00:34:49.909
I stopped after like three.

00:34:49.909 --> 00:34:52.809
I have to at least watch it.

00:34:52.809 --> 00:35:05.710
uh But I love Resident Evil, so I am really excited to see what he does with this because there are so many characters and there so many classic moments in Resident Evil that you can really make just amazing and I have no doubts that he will make it amazing.

00:35:05.710 --> 00:35:12.789
Aaron, let me ask you, I know we've talked loosely about the Resident Evil stuff and Erica, I don't know if you know this or if the listeners know this.

00:35:13.570 --> 00:35:17.150
Erica, maybe both of you, ultimate love is Milya Jovovich.

00:35:17.150 --> 00:35:19.190
Aaron loves Milya Jovovich.

00:35:19.190 --> 00:35:21.550
What is your relationship to those films, Aaron?

00:35:21.550 --> 00:35:24.998
I know, again, you love her, but do you like those films at all because of her?

00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:26.751
I it's Jovovich.

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um I multi pass.

00:35:30.954 --> 00:35:33.197
I really enjoy the Resident Evil films.

00:35:33.197 --> 00:35:34.657
I really do.

00:35:34.717 --> 00:35:36.659
It's hard to continue to.

00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:45.757
It's like it's almost a guilty pleasure now because they went there's nothing that goes a little bit more ridiculous than the Fast and the Furious franchise other than the Resident Evil franchise.

00:35:45.757 --> 00:35:48.389
Like it goes off the fucking rails.

00:35:48.389 --> 00:35:51.552
Like at one point it's like a desert planet.

00:35:51.552 --> 00:35:55.835
And then the next movie we have like full cities again in Japan still exists.

00:35:55.835 --> 00:35:57.666
it's like, it's like city mega cities.

00:35:57.666 --> 00:36:01.597
And it's like, I have no idea where we are in the timeline or what's happening.

00:36:01.597 --> 00:36:04.139
uh But then we've seen multiple reboots.

00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:06.161
We've seen animated films.

00:36:06.161 --> 00:36:07.561
We've seen all these things.

00:36:07.561 --> 00:36:14.684
So there's, there is a lot of fun to be had with the resident evil films, shows, games, et cetera, comic books, even.

00:36:15.342 --> 00:36:17.782
That surprises me real quick if I can just interject.

00:36:17.782 --> 00:36:19.862
Why don't we have a Resident Evil comic?

00:36:19.862 --> 00:36:20.961
That's crazy to me.

00:36:20.961 --> 00:36:21.902
You did.

00:36:22.001 --> 00:36:22.902
Oh, what do you I did?

00:36:22.902 --> 00:36:23.681
What do you mean?

00:36:24.262 --> 00:36:25.742
Didn't Oh, oh, sorry.

00:36:25.742 --> 00:36:25.882
Yes.

00:36:25.882 --> 00:36:27.342
You're talking of an Eric.

00:36:27.342 --> 00:36:38.001
don't know if you know this from back in the day, but when you went to go buy the first Resident Evil game from Toys R Us back in 1997 or 96, one of the two, you got a free sample comic.

00:36:38.001 --> 00:36:44.222
It was like a six pager comic with a cover by Bill Sienkiewicz, who's one of the greatest comic book artists of all time.

00:36:44.253 --> 00:36:47.175
And I have one of the graded versions of that comic.

00:36:47.175 --> 00:36:48.965
And it's like this, it's a little six pager.

00:36:48.965 --> 00:36:52.998
It's a little crap thing you give for free to like the kids that also bought the Resident Evil game.

00:36:52.998 --> 00:36:54.557
And that's what Aaron's referencing.

00:36:54.557 --> 00:36:56.068
And I think something like that would be great.

00:36:56.068 --> 00:36:58.119
Like let's build off the lore a little bit.

00:36:58.119 --> 00:36:59.199
know, I think that'd be really cool.

00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:04.231
You had a little bit here too about uh Zach Craigers wife in this film as well.

00:37:04.556 --> 00:37:14.704
Yeah, so his wife and she's also an actor, Sarah Paxton, she makes a cameo in the film alongside of the other actor, Justin Long, who was also in Barbarian.

00:37:14.704 --> 00:37:16.106
So pretty cool.

00:37:16.106 --> 00:37:24.713
Seeing those two together on film, obviously we all know Jess and Long and Sarah Paxson, I definitely have seen her in different films throughout time.

00:37:24.713 --> 00:37:31.545
She looked really familiar and that was like one of the only impulses I had during the film to like pull up my phone on the lowest brightness and look and see who she was.

00:37:31.545 --> 00:37:32.978
I didn't do that everybody.

00:37:33.065 --> 00:37:34.800
I would never do that in a theater.

00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:35.621
Wow.

00:37:35.621 --> 00:37:37.822
I definitely thought about it, right?

00:37:38.925 --> 00:37:46.130
But I do want to like move on to something that I have truly been grappling with for the last 12 hours since seeing this film.

00:37:46.157 --> 00:37:48.739
Because I didn't mention earlier we were talking about how we saw this film.

00:37:48.739 --> 00:37:50.938
I saw it I'm actually like I said earlier, but we saw it last night.

00:37:50.938 --> 00:37:53.860
So it's still really fresh for me on the ride home.

00:37:53.860 --> 00:38:01.572
Olivia and I were sitting there chatting about it because I immediately needed to know like what her thoughts were and we were both sort of bewildered by this film and like of course it was entertaining.

00:38:01.572 --> 00:38:04.202
It was really well shot acting was incredible.

00:38:04.202 --> 00:38:15.534
I liked what I was seeing on screen, but I had a really hard time at least initially placing what I thought the film was actually about and can I give you sort of my a very unorganized sort of overview of what I thought?

00:38:15.534 --> 00:38:17.833
weapons was about if that's okay with you guys.

00:38:18.074 --> 00:38:18.773
Yeah.

00:38:18.773 --> 00:38:19.534
Okay.

00:38:20.614 --> 00:38:23.153
Aaron says, no, I was waiting for him to say no.

00:38:24.014 --> 00:38:34.693
So what this film I think is saying is again, this is about a small town where a bunch of kids go missing and the community immediately flips on this teacher who for all intents and purposes has nothing to do with this.

00:38:34.693 --> 00:38:41.094
They know almost immediately that Julia Gardner's character, Justine has no involvement with the kids actually leaving.

00:38:41.153 --> 00:38:44.713
But what I think it says is that like in 2025 teachers are up against it.

00:38:44.713 --> 00:38:49.260
Educators have an incredibly difficult time just doing their job.

00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:53.081
Like the minimum of just not only doing their job, but making a living from doing their job.

00:38:53.081 --> 00:38:58.237
I have a lot of sympathy for educators at all levels in 2025.

00:38:58.505 --> 00:39:01.416
And what happens is these kids go missing.

00:39:01.416 --> 00:39:15.393
These parents are upset and angry and stressed, and they just all sort of hyper-focus on this teacher, even though this teacher, again, there's no tangible reason to blame her, but they do because they need something to direct all this emotion and energy towards.

00:39:15.393 --> 00:39:21.336
And I found that really interesting because I think it says a lot about how, and again, everybody you're listening to this conversation about weapons.

00:39:21.336 --> 00:39:23.438
Uh, Erica doesn't have any children.

00:39:23.438 --> 00:39:24.349
I don't have any children.

00:39:24.349 --> 00:39:25.719
Aaron doesn't have any children.

00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.661
We're all 30 plus year old people with no kids.

00:39:28.661 --> 00:39:31.163
So like we're coming from a place of that, right?

00:39:31.163 --> 00:39:39.577
But at the same time, I think parents are relying a lot on the internet and our teachers and folks like that to raise our kids in a significant way.

00:39:39.577 --> 00:39:44.750
Whereas like back in the day, uh, even maybe before our time, parents were a lot more involved in their kids' lives.

00:39:44.750 --> 00:39:45.398
So.

00:39:45.398 --> 00:39:51.050
I think what happens is that like teachers are like forced to raise these kids in a more significant way than they're supposed to.

00:39:51.050 --> 00:39:53.170
And we see a lot of that in Justine's character.

00:39:53.170 --> 00:40:02.164
She gets hyper involved with these kids because I think she feels like she needs to, but then she gets chastised and basically crucified for doing that.

00:40:02.164 --> 00:40:10.489
Like for being, for taking kids home when they miss the bus or asking these, you see it in the film, you see her sit Alex down at one point and go, Hey, listen, you know, you can talk to me.

00:40:10.489 --> 00:40:16.818
I am someone, and maybe this is inappropriate to do to a six year old, but like, she's looking him in the eyeballs and saying, hey, talk to me if something's wrong.

00:40:16.818 --> 00:40:32.976
And Alex is, you know, of course hiding the fact that his aunt is this crazy witch, but point being is that, you know, like she's making a true, like she's making a concerted effort to have an involvement with her kids and is eventually like becomes the town witch because of it, right?

00:40:32.976 --> 00:40:34.097
I just found that really interesting.

00:40:34.097 --> 00:40:41.402
And I think the last thing I'll say, cause I know I'm being long-winded here, but like Josh Brolin's character, I think was really interesting too, that he is this.

00:40:41.518 --> 00:40:44.518
immediate helicopter parent, the moment that his kid is gone.

00:40:44.518 --> 00:40:54.197
And I think that again, says a lot about parenting today in 2025 is that like a lot of parents and maybe I'm getting too personal here, so I apologize, but like I know growing up and I love my mom, she's incredible.

00:40:54.197 --> 00:40:57.338
She deserves a statue for being a single mother for my sister and I growing up.

00:40:57.338 --> 00:41:05.398
But I think when our relationship truly blossomed and took like the next level and became like truly special to me was when I left home.

00:41:05.398 --> 00:41:08.898
Like growing up, she was so fixated on being a parent because that's tough.

00:41:08.898 --> 00:41:10.114
It's tough being a parent.

00:41:10.114 --> 00:41:12.994
But we didn't like truly have a great relationship until I left.

00:41:12.994 --> 00:41:15.414
And I think that says a lot about like parents.

00:41:15.414 --> 00:41:25.476
A lot of times don't they take for granted being a parent, you know, like when their kids young, it's not until they get much older that they realize, shit, I love this thing that I created.

00:41:25.476 --> 00:41:26.818
I need to be involved.

00:41:26.818 --> 00:41:29.476
And by that time we're adults, we can make decisions for ourselves.

00:41:29.476 --> 00:41:31.230
We become our own person, all those things.

00:41:31.230 --> 00:41:32.159
So anyway, I'm sorry.

00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:38.751
I know I had a lot, a long winded thing, but I had all these thoughts leaving the film and I couldn't quite organize them in a constructive way.

00:41:38.751 --> 00:41:40.088
And I just wanted to sort of.

00:41:40.088 --> 00:41:42.324
put that on the table and see if you guys had anything similar.

00:41:42.324 --> 00:41:50.047
I have my theory, but I want to hear Erica's first because I feel like it would be, you know, much like the Jill Valentine quote, you know, we'll make an Erica sandwich.

00:41:50.934 --> 00:41:52.074
I love it.

00:41:52.375 --> 00:41:54.394
Yeah, so exactly what you're saying.

00:41:54.394 --> 00:42:00.416
think that the fact that, you know, this is also showing grief in different ways as well too.

00:42:00.416 --> 00:42:12.599
So the fact that, you know, you have all these parents kind of trying to find a scapegoat for what's happening and the fact that they just pinned it on Justine because it was the common denominator and everything, right?

00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:18.954
But then I think the beauty of this is it shows different perspectives in different ways in the storytelling of this movie.

00:42:18.954 --> 00:42:23.516
So you start to really see deeper into the actions of others.

00:42:23.516 --> 00:42:33.541
You really start to see the other side of things where, you know, one perspective may look this way, but then there's another whole another side of the perspective that you aren't seeing.

00:42:33.702 --> 00:42:41.927
And, you know, when it comes to kids, you know, there's always all of these, these uh talks about, know, this generation versus this generation.

00:42:42.007 --> 00:42:47.179
And, you know, the thing is, is we do have a lot more to worry about with children these days with.

00:42:47.179 --> 00:42:51.853
whether it's technology or threats like gun violence in schools.

00:42:51.853 --> 00:43:06.536
I think that showing that there are different perspectives through storytelling and really finding the cause of what's going on versus pointing and saying, no, it's this, this, this, and this, right, I think is really, important.

00:43:06.536 --> 00:43:27.764
And I think that he did a great job in this movie showing that there's a problem, but then showing different perspectives of different people and people who, like especially the drug addict, James, who someone would probably completely just not even listen to, but showing that even though he may have a troubled past, he still has very, ah he still has the solution.

00:43:27.764 --> 00:43:31.646
He still had at the end of the day, he knew what was going on.

00:43:32.666 --> 00:43:33.556
He did, he did.

00:43:33.556 --> 00:43:45.922
then that's the funny thing is like, and it just shows like even the fact that the police officer, uh just went, mean, really honestly, if Paul would have just stopped and listened to him, everything would have been better.

00:43:45.922 --> 00:43:51.206
but ah emotions, this is a story about emotions as well.

00:43:51.206 --> 00:43:57.293
You've got all of these, you've got anger, you've got grief, you've got sadness, you've got confusion, you've got guilt.

00:43:57.293 --> 00:44:03.960
So I think that this is a movie that is, while on surface value, you've got a story of witchcraft, right?

00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.862
But there's something deeper in the surface of that movie.

00:44:06.862 --> 00:44:09.844
So I think that's what I took out of it.

00:44:10.293 --> 00:44:13.235
Well, my approach is just a little bit different.

00:44:13.235 --> 00:44:17.536
So I came at this with the idea of like school shootings.

00:44:17.536 --> 00:44:26.240
If you imagine like generally in a singular classroom, a kid takes a school, a gun to school, you know, because of bullying, because the kid gets bullied.

00:44:26.621 --> 00:44:31.762
We see that, we see kind of parents who are, they're caring, or at least they come off as caring.

00:44:31.762 --> 00:44:38.905
And then we see, you know, what occurs when this kid goes in there and basically he is the only survivor.

00:44:38.905 --> 00:44:44.730
of what could be considered the aftermath of a school shooting, which takes out like a class of kids.

00:44:44.730 --> 00:44:47.391
So that's kind of like what my thought was behind this.

00:44:47.391 --> 00:44:55.235
have a bunch of parents who have all lost their children and like they're questioning, they're reaching out, they're lashing out.

00:44:55.235 --> 00:44:56.396
Why this classroom?

00:44:56.396 --> 00:44:58.567
Why just our kids?

00:44:58.567 --> 00:45:01.418
Why was this, why did this happen to your classroom?

00:45:01.418 --> 00:45:02.449
Like, what did you teach them?

00:45:02.449 --> 00:45:03.119
What were you taught?

00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.795
Like all of this kind of like to me focuses on that and it becomes this.

00:45:06.795 --> 00:45:13.831
townwide thing where, know, there's this one person who was not even at fault, who's like, nobody's going after the parents.

00:45:13.831 --> 00:45:14.612
Nobody's talking.

00:45:14.612 --> 00:45:18.614
Nobody has even done a welfare check on this, on the one kid who survived.

00:45:18.614 --> 00:45:20.496
Nobody's asked the parent like, what is going on?

00:45:20.496 --> 00:45:22.387
Nobody's noticed that this kid is being bullied.

00:45:22.387 --> 00:45:23.907
He's being uh ostracized.

00:45:23.907 --> 00:45:26.840
He's being, you know, he's on his own constantly.

00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:34.806
So like the only person who does care, who's interacting with the kid is his teacher, who is then made to feel like the enemy.

00:45:34.818 --> 00:45:41.159
because she's trying to interact past what people perceive as the boundaries of what a teacher should do.

00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:54.032
So that's kind of like my view of this was also, and then again, also the weaponization of like school shootings, the weaponization and politics of gun control laws.

00:45:54.032 --> 00:45:56.043
know, we're talking about a small town.

00:45:56.103 --> 00:46:00.925
And the reason is because like Josh Brolin's character, which we haven't really talked about the characters yet, we'll get into that in a minute.

00:46:00.925 --> 00:46:04.735
I don't know if you've ever watched the original, the Stargate film.

00:46:05.847 --> 00:46:12.512
So in that Kurt Russell's, Kurt Russell's child has died from shooting himself from a gun, a gun, you know.

00:46:12.512 --> 00:46:23.708
And so for me, when I saw Josh Brolin like laying in his bed and he's just like kind of sitting there, like, you know, looking out, like that kind of remind me of Kurt Russell's, you know, portrayal of a parent who lost a kid to a school shooting.

00:46:23.708 --> 00:46:28.822
And I know that's a weird kind of connection, but it just, that's kind of resonated with me.

00:46:28.822 --> 00:46:32.264
again, like that's kind of how I put my pieces together.

00:46:32.264 --> 00:46:45.934
And so, uh Yeah, I feel like this is definitely a commentary again on gun control and school shootings and how we really just tend to let the parents kind of flounder without answers.

00:46:45.934 --> 00:46:57.974
We let the people who are not responsible take the fall and then we don't address the ones that are truly, to be honest, like the ones who should be focused on and ask the true questions.

00:46:57.974 --> 00:47:03.117
You know, it's just, it's like, it's so limited what the interaction is after, you know, the event.

00:47:03.117 --> 00:47:04.500
that's, that was mine.

00:47:04.833 --> 00:47:10.976
Yeah, it's so crazy that all three of us had wildly different sort of central pillars, north stars of this film.

00:47:10.976 --> 00:47:14.918
And I think that not only sort of highlights the flexibility of horror, right?

00:47:14.918 --> 00:47:21.800
And the flexibility and the skill that Zach Kroeger has within his tool belt, both again, with this and Barbarian.

00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.382
Because again, as you said, this film is both a comedy and a horror in different ways.

00:47:25.382 --> 00:47:31.244
But the fact that we all sort of took wildly different things that I don't think any of those are bad takes at all on this film.

00:47:31.244 --> 00:47:35.514
I think truly highlights why this film is an incredible feet, right?

00:47:35.514 --> 00:47:45.090
Like leaving this, and I said this last night, leaving the film, the fact that I'm sitting here internally burning on this film and what it meant and what, was he trying to say?

00:47:45.090 --> 00:47:49.911
And all these, like that right there, think justifies it and legitimizes the whole operation, right?

00:47:49.911 --> 00:47:53.934
That, that, that proves to me that this film was worth it in the end, you know?

00:47:53.934 --> 00:47:55.965
That's right.

00:47:55.965 --> 00:47:56.545
That's right.

00:47:56.545 --> 00:47:59.708
um Let's talk about, let's move on to the budget here.

00:47:59.708 --> 00:48:01.559
So $38 million for this film.

00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:03.239
Pretty standard horror film.

00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:04.173
think horror films.

00:48:04.173 --> 00:48:08.454
You know, modern horror films are somewhere in the 40s to 50s in terms of a million dollars.

00:48:08.454 --> 00:48:12.074
I will say that Netflix at one point was the top buyer for this film.

00:48:12.074 --> 00:48:15.773
They were willing to pay more money for the rights to the script from Zach Craigor.

00:48:15.773 --> 00:48:20.333
But New Line Cinema came in and said, hey buddy, you know, if you want to release this in theaters, we'll do this.

00:48:20.333 --> 00:48:22.273
I know Netflix doesn't release lot of films in theaters.

00:48:22.273 --> 00:48:23.233
Let's do that for you.

00:48:23.233 --> 00:48:31.016
And then also if you want to bring it over to New Line Cinema, you will also get for Final Cut privilege, which is I think for a lot of creatives.

00:48:31.016 --> 00:48:35.168
We talked about a similar thing with Ryan Coogler over with centers.

00:48:35.168 --> 00:48:38.590
The final cut privilege is incredibly important to some of these directors.

00:48:38.590 --> 00:48:40.431
I would say all of them in some capacity.

00:48:40.431 --> 00:48:42.614
But then also shout out to New Line Cinema.

00:48:42.614 --> 00:48:43.494
Welcome back.

00:48:43.494 --> 00:48:46.597
Like where has New Line Cinema been in the 90s?

00:48:46.597 --> 00:48:51.519
Eric, know and Eric and both of you guys can speak to this as a young person in the 80s and 90s.

00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.021
New Line Cinema was the place for horror.

00:48:54.021 --> 00:48:54.282
Right.

00:48:54.282 --> 00:48:55.943
Like that's where you got horror.

00:48:55.943 --> 00:48:57.784
And it was so cool to see that.

00:48:57.784 --> 00:48:58.434
What do you call it?

00:48:58.434 --> 00:49:00.840
Like a movie marker and the multiple.

00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.402
Black, you know, all that is just so nostalgic.

00:49:03.402 --> 00:49:08.045
the film reels like kind of like the, yeah, like coming together.

00:49:08.045 --> 00:49:09.572
It's like, that was comforting.

00:49:09.572 --> 00:49:17.244
Like there's certain like, like when you'd see like Deke, D-I-C, you know, at the end of your shows, like, you know, and then.

00:49:17.269 --> 00:49:19.871
Also like the Orion intro.

00:49:19.871 --> 00:49:21.630
It burns in my brain.

00:49:21.630 --> 00:49:28.152
uh I will say that Warner Brothers currently owns New Line Cinema, so it's not its own production company anymore, but you know, it's cool that it's still a thing.

00:49:28.152 --> 00:49:41.597
I'll even say like the intro text for Weapons was very sort of early 90s with like the sort of neon with the shadowy sort of foggy outline was very nostalgic as well.

00:49:41.597 --> 00:49:42.396
Very cool.

00:49:42.396 --> 00:49:45.038
Aaron, talk a little bit about the box office here and...

00:49:45.038 --> 00:49:48.811
uh sort of the optimistic look for weapons in the next couple weeks.

00:49:48.811 --> 00:49:49.103
Yeah.

00:49:49.103 --> 00:49:59.039
So it's looking good because in the United States and Canada weapons release alongside a freakier Friday, which I'm just going to ask Erica, do you give a crap about it all?

00:49:59.641 --> 00:50:00.612
Okay.

00:50:00.612 --> 00:50:02.478
Chris, any, any difference?

00:50:02.478 --> 00:50:08.527
ah You know, it between this, was between Freakier Friday and weapons and I ultimately decided that weapons would be a more interesting decision.

00:50:08.527 --> 00:50:08.813
Yeah.

00:50:08.813 --> 00:50:09.597
Yeah.

00:50:10.349 --> 00:50:11.155
I'm not going to lie.

00:50:11.155 --> 00:50:13.789
Jamie Lee Curtis is a silver Fox and I love.

00:50:13.789 --> 00:50:17.190
She is going to be hot until the day she dies, undoubtedly.

00:50:17.190 --> 00:50:21.132
I apologize for being like, I don't, nevermind.

00:50:21.132 --> 00:50:21.911
I'm going to move on.

00:50:21.911 --> 00:50:25.623
But like there's this scene where she's wearing this outfit in the Corvette.

00:50:25.623 --> 00:50:26.963
I think it's a Corvette in the trailer.

00:50:26.963 --> 00:50:29.155
I'm just like, damn.

00:50:29.454 --> 00:50:30.293
Jamie's got it.

00:50:30.293 --> 00:50:30.876
Jamie's got it.

00:50:30.876 --> 00:50:32.195
Ever since True Lies.

00:50:32.195 --> 00:50:33.677
Okay.

00:50:34.516 --> 00:50:36.478
Dance slowly.

00:50:36.478 --> 00:50:41.789
And was originally projected to gross around 25 to 27 million in its opening weekend.

00:50:41.789 --> 00:50:45.981
3,200 theaters with a surprising IMAX formatted release for Weapons, huh?

00:50:46.389 --> 00:50:54.114
The Thursday previews numbers also have weapons at 3.9 million for Thursday previews, beating Freakier Friday, shocker, at 3 million.

00:50:54.114 --> 00:51:02.699
So weapons has a good shot of taking the number one box office this weekend over Fantastic Four after only one week.

00:51:05.501 --> 00:51:12.728
Yeah, while Freakier Friday is estimated to open to 30 million dollars, weapons current projection is looking a little closer to 38 million.

00:51:12.728 --> 00:51:19.577
possibly more with, you know, the amount of word of mouth that it's getting and the amount of coverage that the Oblivion Bar Pod podcast is taking.

00:51:19.577 --> 00:51:22.001
That's, that's weird that they would cover that in article.

00:51:22.001 --> 00:51:29.005
So we only mentioned the Fantastic Four because A, Fantastic Four costs over $200 million to produce.

00:51:29.005 --> 00:51:31.996
uh B, it's obviously it's a Marvel Studios film.

00:51:31.996 --> 00:51:38.889
And then C, Pedro Pascal dropped out of this movie to star in Fantastic Four First Steps, LOL.

00:51:38.889 --> 00:51:47.445
And Josh Brolin replaced Let me ask you, I think all of us here on this pod, I'm going to assume Erica as well are fans of Pedro Pascal.

00:51:47.445 --> 00:51:50.786
I would dare to say that all of us are pretty big fans of his.

00:51:50.786 --> 00:51:53.706
I don't know many folks that dislike Pedro Pascal, right?

00:51:53.706 --> 00:51:55.965
like, same.

00:51:55.965 --> 00:51:56.146
Yeah.

00:51:56.146 --> 00:51:57.286
Just straight up list.

00:51:57.286 --> 00:51:58.626
Like he's on the list.

00:51:59.626 --> 00:52:10.286
Like there's been some chatter because of 2025 and the movies that Pedro Pascal has been in, which is like, and we'll include the last of a season two, RIP to Joel.

00:52:10.286 --> 00:52:16.286
spoilers if you haven't seen that season, but this has been sort of a lukewarm year for Pedro Pascal.

00:52:16.286 --> 00:52:25.085
And again, I say this as someone who's a big fan of his, you know, you had the materialist, you had Eddington, you had Fantastic Four, you have Gladiator Two, which I think actually came out late last year.

00:52:25.085 --> 00:52:32.405
But point being is it's been a lot here recently with Pedro Pascal and folks are starting to think of like, is there Pedro Pascal fatigue happening right now?

00:52:32.405 --> 00:52:39.030
And while I think that Josh Brolin is like a better pick for this film, like I like Josh Brolin a lot in this role.

00:52:39.030 --> 00:52:41.170
I have no fatigue for Pedro Pascal.

00:52:41.170 --> 00:52:47.014
I thought he was great and fantastic for, I think he's great and everything he's done is she's just been in some stinkers and that happens when you do a lot of films.

00:52:47.014 --> 00:52:49.876
So I just want to ask both of you and Eric, I'll start with you.

00:52:49.876 --> 00:52:51.628
Have you felt that at all with Pedro Pascal?

00:52:51.628 --> 00:52:58.050
I know it's a weird sort of sidebar on weapons in a film that he's not in, but like, what are your thoughts on Pedro Pascal in 2025?

00:52:58.050 --> 00:52:59.550
think he's incredibly likeable.

00:52:59.550 --> 00:53:04.753
think that he comes off as a very genuine, kind, down-to-earth person.

00:53:04.753 --> 00:53:20.440
And I think at the end of the day, if you look on a sheet of paper and you get offered a contract, right, and it's weapons, which is gonna be, I don't wanna say like it's not gonna have the budget of 200 million, uh at the end of the day, you're probably gonna go with the bigger paycheck, right?

00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:24.461
And it's a Marvel film, and it gets you in the door to Marvel films.

00:53:24.461 --> 00:53:30.005
ah And it's just a safe bet for actors to do Marvel films and to be in that cinematic universe.

00:53:30.005 --> 00:53:35.929
So I don't fault him at all, you know, for going with, you know, Fantastic Four over weapons.

00:53:35.929 --> 00:53:41.092
And I think that there's, I think that it's just like, just like a normal human with any job, right?

00:53:41.092 --> 00:53:45.494
You could be at a job, doing a job for 15 years and he's been acting for so long.

00:53:45.494 --> 00:53:50.434
And you're going to have a year maybe where you're like, I just, I'm not, you know, I'm not vibing with my job.

00:53:50.434 --> 00:53:55.827
but I think that Pedro Pascal has a lot of great years ahead of him and I think he's got a lot of great roles ahead of him.

00:53:55.827 --> 00:53:57.268
I think he's an incredible actor.

00:53:57.268 --> 00:54:05.744
And I just think that the thing is, it's one of those things, it's like Denzel Washington said, like, you don't want to oversaturate yourself too much, right?

00:54:05.744 --> 00:54:08.086
But it's also like strike while the iron's hot.

00:54:08.086 --> 00:54:17.793
So it's like, you can't fault someone for, you know, having this huge surge in their career, you know, getting offered a ton of roles, making a ton of movies and trying to like better their life.

00:54:17.793 --> 00:54:18.135
So.

00:54:18.135 --> 00:54:23.570
To me, I'm like, be in as many movies as you can, make that money, have fun.

00:54:24.150 --> 00:54:24.952
Exactly.

00:54:24.952 --> 00:54:27.673
So like to me, I'm like, keep doing your thing, Pedro.

00:54:27.673 --> 00:54:35.619
Like the people who love you will love you and the people who just want to have fatigue to be sassy because they're just, you know, I don't know.

00:54:35.619 --> 00:54:36.820
I love Pedro Pascal.

00:54:36.820 --> 00:54:39.353
I think he's great and I want to see him in everything.

00:54:39.353 --> 00:54:41.965
I don't even care if it's like 15 movies a year.

00:54:41.965 --> 00:54:54.478
Give it to think the best point that you made also is that, you know, when you get into the MCU, you are essentially almost putting yourself into longevity, a long...

00:54:54.478 --> 00:55:02.297
Like a potentially a lot, sorry, Jonathan Majors, um, like a potential like long lasting, you know, at least contract franchise, you know?

00:55:02.297 --> 00:55:04.538
So, so that's definitely like, I, I agree.

00:55:04.538 --> 00:55:06.538
Like, again, I can't get mad at somebody for getting mad.

00:55:06.538 --> 00:55:08.938
Like I'm not going to get mad at somebody for taking a bunch of roles.

00:55:08.938 --> 00:55:24.706
I mean, the thing that's really incredible about Pedro Pascal and the fact that I know that I don't have any kind of fatigue for, for his daddy is the fact that that man is so talented with just what he can portray, whether it's good, bad.

00:55:24.706 --> 00:55:39.141
towing the line, you know, like we saw in Gladiator 2, uh he can do an incredible, you know, different accents like we saw in, you know, what's the one with the dragons and people, yeah, the thrones, the big chair.

00:55:39.141 --> 00:55:42.105
Did you just misplace Game of Thrones in your head?

00:55:43.327 --> 00:55:46.650
I thought it was, but you were really, that's a really good acting lesson by you there.

00:55:46.650 --> 00:55:50.824
And I honestly thought you were like, what is the movie on HBO that was really successful for like 10 years?

00:55:50.824 --> 00:55:53.969
yeah, As a dragons, I think I can.

00:55:53.969 --> 00:55:55.570
What's that one where they were training dragons?

00:55:55.570 --> 00:55:56.670
There was like Vikings.

00:55:56.670 --> 00:55:57.829
They were there flying around.

00:55:57.829 --> 00:56:03.469
What's that one called with the guy cough is the main character's name was cough.

00:56:04.550 --> 00:56:05.909
See, I can do it again.

00:56:05.909 --> 00:56:06.769
Good job.

00:56:08.289 --> 00:56:10.869
They really love me.

00:56:10.869 --> 00:56:16.090
So I again, I think that he is just a an uber talented guy.

00:56:16.090 --> 00:56:19.750
And again, he just he can play Wonder Woman 1984.

00:56:19.750 --> 00:56:21.628
He was probably one of the best actors.

00:56:21.628 --> 00:56:22.617
next Lord, yeah.

00:56:22.617 --> 00:56:24.039
Lord in that.

00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:36.036
again, just if you pick any role that he has done, it is he is so versatile that it's almost impossible to get fatigue from him because he's just so different in every role.

00:56:36.036 --> 00:56:38.586
So that's that's my perception and my view.

00:56:38.586 --> 00:56:42.103
There's no there should not be any uh zaddy fatigue.

00:56:42.103 --> 00:56:47.757
think it has to do with a lot with the fact that as Erica was saying, and Aaron, think you agree with this too, is that like he's awesome.

00:56:47.873 --> 00:56:50.699
Like he's just a really cool guy and he's a great actor.

00:56:50.699 --> 00:56:52.989
And people like to punch down is what it comes down to.

00:56:52.989 --> 00:56:55.942
Because I think all of us agree that none of us have the fatigue with Pedro.

00:56:55.942 --> 00:56:57.393
It's just that he's having a heater.

00:56:57.393 --> 00:56:58.322
He's on a heater right now.

00:56:58.322 --> 00:57:00.494
And as you said, Erica, get your money.

00:57:00.494 --> 00:57:02.846
Like the business wants zaddy right now.

00:57:02.846 --> 00:57:04.786
They need all the zaddy they can get.

00:57:05.226 --> 00:57:10.793
you know, and Aaron, you said this a moment ago, like even the films that aren't very good.

00:57:10.793 --> 00:57:13.657
He's still like one of the best, if not the best part about that film.

00:57:13.657 --> 00:57:15.199
So I totally agree.

00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:15.880
He's not in this film.

00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:16.362
It doesn't matter.

00:57:16.362 --> 00:57:19.246
I just thought it was interesting that he dropped out of this film to be in.

00:57:19.246 --> 00:57:20.112
He's associated with it.

00:57:20.112 --> 00:57:21.121
He's adjacent.

00:57:21.121 --> 00:57:22.615
is weapons adjacent.

00:57:22.615 --> 00:57:23.411
That's right.

00:57:23.411 --> 00:57:26.264
Aaron, let's talk about the cast, which is awesome.

00:57:26.264 --> 00:57:26.554
Yes.

00:57:26.554 --> 00:57:32.697
Julia Garner as Justine Gandhi, the teacher who finds out that all but one of the students in her class has vanished.

00:57:32.697 --> 00:57:37.260
Josh Brolin as Archer Graf, the father of Matthew, one of the missing children.

00:57:37.260 --> 00:57:46.385
You got Chris messing around with the list and you got Carrie Christopher as Alex Lilly, the only child from Justine's class who did not disappear.

00:57:46.385 --> 00:57:46.755
Did I not?

00:57:46.755 --> 00:57:46.896
Okay.

00:57:46.896 --> 00:57:54.389
Anyways, uh Alden Ehrenreich as Paul Morgan, a police officer who has a complicated relationship.

00:57:54.454 --> 00:57:55.894
with Justine and alcohol.

00:57:55.894 --> 00:58:00.186
uh Austin Abrams as James, a homeless drug addict and burglar.

00:58:00.186 --> 00:58:02.306
That guy was ridiculous.

00:58:02.306 --> 00:58:06.219
Benedict Wong, Wongers as Andrew Marcus.

00:58:07.438 --> 00:58:09.199
School principal.

00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:11.010
Who eats hot dogs like that?

00:58:11.010 --> 00:58:13.262
I mean, the presentation was phenomenal though.

00:58:13.262 --> 00:58:15.583
uh Amy Madigan as Gladys Lilly.

00:58:15.583 --> 00:58:23.786
uh I will be, I'm just going to say this Gladys Lilly, that character was like the female version of Willy Wonka.

00:58:24.065 --> 00:58:24.909
loved it.

00:58:24.909 --> 00:58:31.710
Um, so that's Alex's great aunt, uh, Toby Hus as Ed Locke, the police captain and Donna's father.

00:58:31.710 --> 00:58:43.289
Um, if you've never seen a movie called, uh, down periscope, I highly recommend that because Toby Hus in that is hilarious as the electrician for this submarine.

00:58:43.289 --> 00:58:44.090
It's like all about it.

00:58:44.090 --> 00:58:46.172
It's like a Navy based comedy.

00:58:46.172 --> 00:58:47.021
It's hilarious.

00:58:47.021 --> 00:58:48.041
He's also in King of the Hill.

00:58:48.041 --> 00:58:52.242
don't know if you know which actor he actually plays.

00:58:52.481 --> 00:58:54.521
one second, let me tell you, he is.

00:58:54.521 --> 00:58:55.461
He plays a lot of people.

00:58:55.461 --> 00:58:57.442
It's Khan, Supa, Hana.

00:58:57.521 --> 00:58:59.918
I can't I can't even say his name, but you guys know I'm talking about.

00:58:59.918 --> 00:59:13.523
So in Down Periscope, he plays like the electrician and every time he's got so much, like he's been electrocuted so many times that every time he gets zapped again, he starts like, he starts singing like, like he's basically em catching radio station signals.

00:59:13.523 --> 00:59:18.045
So like in the movie he'll be like, he'll get zapped and be like, no, you're listening to easy listening.

00:59:18.204 --> 00:59:18.646
Wow.

00:59:18.646 --> 00:59:20.175
Another hard rock station.

00:59:20.175 --> 00:59:25.307
You know, it's like, it's so, it's such seamless and hilarious acting.

00:59:25.688 --> 00:59:26.429
got to check it out.

00:59:26.429 --> 00:59:29.762
uh June Diane Raphael as Donna Morgan.

00:59:29.762 --> 00:59:35.284
who is Paul's wife and wow, just yeah, it was a great cast.

00:59:35.284 --> 00:59:36.717
What a great cast.

00:59:36.717 --> 00:59:42.793
Just speaking on that, Aaron, while you're sitting there talking about it, who in this film were you sort of captured by?

00:59:42.793 --> 00:59:47.606
Because again, I think this film is very specific in the fact that we're following these characters for a certain amount of time.

00:59:47.606 --> 00:59:54.012
We get, again, their POV of this story in like a very specific way, unlike many other films.

00:59:54.012 --> 01:00:04.340
So we get like a really cool opportunity to see these films, see these actors and these characters in a sort of, uh not romantic, but like in a very like specific way.

01:00:04.340 --> 01:00:05.972
Who sort of stands out to you?

01:00:06.349 --> 01:00:09.371
I actually have a really hard time making this call.

01:00:10.090 --> 01:00:25.215
beyond, mean, to be honest, out of everybody, uh Amy Madigan as Gladys Lilly really like, and that could be partially the on the like whoever did her makeup and style and her hair, that whole team, because we've got to give credit to that.

01:00:25.215 --> 01:00:34.382
In this movie, that team did a phenomenal job with making her look like she was going from dying to thriving to.

01:00:34.382 --> 01:00:48.047
Powerful to weak and it was just incredible and the horror like if you've never seen a movie like like the nun where you see these like Jump scare versions of the nun, which is absolutely terrifying Nothing in the nun.

01:00:48.047 --> 01:00:51.101
Nothing in that movie is scary except for the jump scares with a nun.

01:00:51.101 --> 01:00:53.190
Nothing As I mentioned earlier, they're cheap.

01:00:53.190 --> 01:00:54.606
They're thrills.

01:00:54.606 --> 01:01:02.271
But in this one, seeing Gladys in multiple counts in this film as a jump scare is terrifying.

01:01:02.271 --> 01:01:03.472
It is absolutely terrifying.

01:01:03.472 --> 01:01:09.639
So she, would say if anybody stands out as the scary like villain, obviously it's her.

01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:15.023
But to be honest, I got to give it up to Austin Abrams as James, the homeless drug user, because I don't know.

01:01:15.023 --> 01:01:19.166
Like that was just like wrong place, wrong time, wrong situation.

01:01:19.166 --> 01:01:21.137
Like just, you know, I get it.

01:01:21.137 --> 01:01:21.547
I don't know.

01:01:21.547 --> 01:01:23.989
He just stood out so much as like this.

01:01:24.248 --> 01:01:28.664
kind of palate cleansing crazy part of the film, like right there in the middle.

01:01:28.664 --> 01:01:33.929
And then the fact that, you know, at the end when we see him, like just doesn't know when to quit, man.

01:01:33.929 --> 01:01:37.994
Like, like again, so much, so much.

01:01:38.235 --> 01:01:41.539
I want to, I want to keep going, but I want to give you guys the time on the podium.

01:01:41.539 --> 01:01:44.072
Cause like, yeah, everybody is incredible.

01:01:44.086 --> 01:01:48.795
That scene in the house between Archer and Josh is so funny.

01:01:48.795 --> 01:01:55.369
It's like that got the biggest laugh, I think, the entire during the entire film is James is not giving up and just keeps going after.

01:01:55.369 --> 01:01:57.806
the biggest laugh happened shortly after that.

01:01:57.806 --> 01:01:59.945
Oh, yeah, I guess the finale.

01:02:00.005 --> 01:02:01.166
Eric, I'm going to pass it off to you.

01:02:01.166 --> 01:02:07.242
there anybody specifically or a couple of folks that really stood out to you in this film that you really enjoyed sort of seeing their POV?

01:02:07.242 --> 01:02:09.242
Yeah, see, I love Julia Garner.

01:02:09.242 --> 01:02:15.606
think she is an incredible actress and I loved her from Ozark and I actually even loved her in The Wolf Man.

01:02:15.606 --> 01:02:23.369
But I just, I love her as an actress and I want to see her in more stuff and I'm happy that she's been like doing more horror because I think she's perfect for it.

01:02:23.369 --> 01:02:34.677
ah But also Amy Madigan because my goodness, how do you like, it's just like the small things that were so unsettling about her, whether it's her makeup being just so off.

01:02:34.677 --> 01:02:37.338
you know, and her just being so confident, you know?

01:02:37.338 --> 01:02:39.201
I absolutely loved it.

01:02:39.201 --> 01:02:47.226
And it's like, how do you make this adorable little woman who is like precious and like, in bright colors, how do you make her so unsettling?

01:02:47.226 --> 01:03:08.007
You know, and I think that that's the most amazing thing of this film is like, you have this older woman where you see shots of her throughout the film and even in the woods when James is out in the woods and it's like, how do you, yeah, it's like, you've made this like woman dressed in like, daisies and bright colors and like adorable, just like an adorable, cute grandma.

01:03:08.007 --> 01:03:09.947
You make her look so unsettling.

01:03:09.947 --> 01:03:12.659
And to me, I think that that is like just like so great.

01:03:12.659 --> 01:03:13.389
It's amazing.

01:03:13.389 --> 01:03:15.460
She did such an amazing job.

01:03:15.460 --> 01:03:17.554
And obviously Josh Brolin, I love Josh Brolin.

01:03:17.554 --> 01:03:21.494
I've been watching him my entire life, you know, on, on, on films and movies.

01:03:21.494 --> 01:03:23.465
So it's just kind of like seeing him.

01:03:23.465 --> 01:03:27.016
I, know, as much as I do love Pedro Pascal, he did an amazing job with this.

01:03:27.016 --> 01:03:32.568
So, and, and also Carrie Christopher, the little kid, like he does, you know.

01:03:32.568 --> 01:03:38.806
Holy cow, like I hope he has a great career ahead of him because he did an amazing job.

01:03:38.806 --> 01:03:40.559
no, loved everybody in this.

01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:43.251
thought there wasn't one person that I thought was like a weak link.

01:03:43.251 --> 01:03:44.934
I thought everybody did a great job.

01:03:45.143 --> 01:03:46.385
Can I interject real quick?

01:03:46.385 --> 01:03:52.266
I want to just comment real quick on what you said, Erica, about uh Amy Madigan as Gladys Lilly.

01:03:52.266 --> 01:03:55.938
Again, selling the idea of everything being okay at home.

01:03:55.938 --> 01:03:57.219
There's no problem here.

01:03:57.219 --> 01:03:57.969
Everything's good.

01:03:57.969 --> 01:03:59.030
Mom and dad are sick.

01:03:59.030 --> 01:04:00.179
I'm taking care of them.

01:04:00.179 --> 01:04:01.101
I'm just visiting.

01:04:01.101 --> 01:04:20.153
ah If I could convey the idea again of the legislation around school shootings and weapon control, I would say that Gladys's character could portray that of a politician or that of a, you know, like a, what do you call it?

01:04:20.153 --> 01:04:23.534
A, not a politician, not a.

01:04:23.534 --> 01:04:24.173
Damn it.

01:04:24.173 --> 01:04:25.153
Who's the people that work?

01:04:25.153 --> 01:04:26.833
A lobbyist, a lobbyist.

01:04:26.833 --> 01:04:33.833
know, somebody who is in Hollywood who just makes things seem like a Pollyanna, think it is, somebody who makes everything seem okay.

01:04:33.833 --> 01:04:34.994
Like there's no problem here.

01:04:34.994 --> 01:04:36.074
We're good.

01:04:36.094 --> 01:04:38.034
you know, these kids aren't in danger.

01:04:38.034 --> 01:04:38.853
He's fine.

01:04:38.853 --> 01:04:40.434
You know, like, sorry.

01:04:40.434 --> 01:04:43.519
That to me is like a good way to kind of.

01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:47.170
metaphorically portray those people in this film.

01:04:47.822 --> 01:04:50.293
And I'll continue to give Amy Madigan her flowers.

01:04:50.293 --> 01:04:53.405
I think she is one of the best, if not the best part of this film.

01:04:53.405 --> 01:04:55.527
I mean, I remember her from like Field of Dreams.

01:04:55.527 --> 01:04:57.469
That's like when I think of her.

01:04:57.469 --> 01:04:58.760
That's the first thing that comes to mind.

01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:00.851
she was in Grey's Anatomy for a while too.

01:05:01.152 --> 01:05:01.652
Yeah.

01:05:01.652 --> 01:05:03.623
I mean, like she is truly decorated.

01:05:03.623 --> 01:05:05.934
But and again, I'll agree with everything you guys are saying.

01:05:05.934 --> 01:05:08.516
Julia Gardner, Josh Brolin, Benedict Wong even.

01:05:08.516 --> 01:05:10.518
Wonger is incredible in this film.

01:05:10.518 --> 01:05:13.119
And I got to give a very specific shout out to Alden Knighton, right?

01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:18.501
Who, you know, everybody knows him from Solo, but also I kept thinking of that Hail Caesar scene.

01:05:18.501 --> 01:05:20.601
Have you guys seen Hail Caesar from the Coen brothers?

01:05:20.842 --> 01:05:24.641
it's like, what would it were so simple?

01:05:24.641 --> 01:05:29.161
It's a scene between him and oh gosh, Ralph Fiennes.

01:05:29.161 --> 01:05:31.561
If you guys haven't seen the film and I don't want to spoil anything for you.

01:05:31.561 --> 01:05:35.842
Alden Eidreich's character is sort of a new star in new Hollywood in like the forties and fifties.

01:05:35.922 --> 01:05:45.099
And Ralph Fiennes is trying to like teach him how to say a term and like without his accent because Alden Eidreich's character has a very thick Southern accent.

01:05:45.099 --> 01:05:46.030
and the scene is gold.

01:05:46.030 --> 01:05:47.452
It's like three minutes long in the film.

01:05:47.452 --> 01:05:51.748
The film is like okay around it, but that scene specifically is, it's gold.

01:05:51.748 --> 01:05:53.260
It's so incredible.

01:05:53.380 --> 01:05:56.563
Your line, just say it as I said.

01:05:56.565 --> 01:05:59.969
Say your line exactly as I'm about to, just as I'm about to do.

01:05:59.969 --> 01:06:01.300
Sure, okay.

01:06:03.489 --> 01:06:05.217
or that it were so simple?

01:06:33.485 --> 01:06:43.715
And I mean, since then, everything I've seen him in, up to even Ironheart recently, which Aaron, know you haven't seen and Eric, I don't know if you watched Ironheart over on Disney plus all night rice character was really great.

01:06:43.715 --> 01:06:50.237
I won't spoil who he is in case anyone hasn't seen it, but I just want to give him a specific shout out because he's someone that he's one of my favorite.

01:06:50.237 --> 01:06:50.456
shit.

01:06:50.456 --> 01:06:51.568
He's in this guy.

01:06:51.568 --> 01:06:53.048
Like he's one my new favorites of that.

01:06:53.048 --> 01:06:55.889
When I see him in a film or TV series, I'm like, I'm cool.

01:06:55.889 --> 01:06:56.809
Like I love this.

01:06:56.809 --> 01:06:59.911
So gosh, I think we've talked about this thing to death guys.

01:06:59.911 --> 01:07:05.512
I don't know if there's anything actually one last thing I guess I'll bring up before we sort of close this conversation out.

01:07:05.514 --> 01:07:06.786
And that is the finale.

01:07:06.786 --> 01:07:11.568
I'll say the last 12 to 10 minutes of this film, Aaron, you mentioned it, sort of a crowd pleaser.

01:07:11.568 --> 01:07:14.751
I'll tell you guys, and maybe I'm alone in this, you can tell me.

01:07:14.751 --> 01:07:22.753
This movie to me, and this might be a spoiler for my eventual rating, was a solid 4.5 until the last 10 minutes of this film.

01:07:22.753 --> 01:07:29.559
I loved the line that it was towing between sort of this absurdist comedy slash psychological horror there for the entire runtime.

01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:34.177
And then it got maybe just a little too silly for me there at the end with these kids sort of just.

01:07:34.177 --> 01:07:38.862
going through windows and jumping over fences and what all the things.

01:07:38.862 --> 01:07:42.882
absurd comedy happened before this finale.

01:07:42.882 --> 01:07:47.885
I don't know, here's the thing, I am not smart enough or creative enough to know what the proper ending to this film should have been.

01:07:47.885 --> 01:07:49.398
I just know that watching that.

01:07:49.398 --> 01:07:50.422
Answer the question.

01:07:50.422 --> 01:07:51.985
Don't avoid my question.

01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:56.929
What absurd comedy happened before the finale?

01:07:56.929 --> 01:07:59.510
This film had a lot of absurd comedy scenes.

01:07:59.811 --> 01:08:04.175
Julia Garner got vodka poured on her in the middle of a drug store.

01:08:04.175 --> 01:08:08.557
Alden Eyright got stabbed with a needle while trying to pat someone down.

01:08:08.557 --> 01:08:14.501
The James kid is constantly going through, like he's like slipping on banana peels throughout this film trying to do stuff.

01:08:14.501 --> 01:08:15.523
So it's all funny.

01:08:15.523 --> 01:08:21.106
Also real quick, Aaron, before you move on, because this brought up an idea, the pawn shop in this film in Maybrook.

01:08:21.106 --> 01:08:24.168
Did that not remind you of the pawn shop from the beginning of The Monkey?

01:08:24.654 --> 01:08:25.435
Oh.

01:08:25.591 --> 01:08:27.953
Didn't that seem like almost the exact same pawn shop?

01:08:27.953 --> 01:08:30.345
Because we've obviously covered that film together, all three of us.

01:08:30.345 --> 01:08:32.146
It made me immediately think of The Monkey.

01:08:32.146 --> 01:08:36.179
anyway, Aaron, go on with your rebuttal, because then you're going to say that I'm wrong here.

01:08:36.715 --> 01:08:43.588
just saying, if you watch, if you liked Barbarian, this movie almost followed the same exact format.

01:08:43.588 --> 01:08:49.112
To me, didn't see, I don't consider any of what you've just stated, again, personal opinion.

01:08:49.112 --> 01:09:01.989
I don't see any of what you stated, like the pouring of the vodka, any of that stuff, the needle, all of that stuff was building anxiety, building, because here's the thing, I see the woman pouring alcohol on her.

01:09:01.989 --> 01:09:05.560
My initial thought is, she's gonna light that bitch on fire.

01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:30.904
I see, I saw the needles as like just being kind of a thing that was just like poking the bear, coaxing, know, like, you know, fanning the flames of what Paul was already dealing with and the alcoholism and the stress and another person in this community, he's, but who is being put on edge by trying to do their job, but having expectations of the community that he works for and he's just trying to do his job and his relationship.

01:09:30.904 --> 01:09:40.318
who is, everybody just needs something from him and he's not getting what he needs and we don't exactly ever really know what that is because that's his own personal quarry slash battle.

01:09:40.318 --> 01:09:42.779
So like none of that to me was absurdist comedy.

01:09:42.779 --> 01:09:46.689
The absurdist comedy was the absolute finale, was all of that.

01:09:46.689 --> 01:10:00.365
And to me, that's exactly how it played out just like it did in Barbarian when we see this fucking crazy ass chase down of this basement old lady ripping arms off and beating people to death.

01:10:00.365 --> 01:10:04.945
jumping off of uh like a grain water and whatever.

01:10:04.966 --> 01:10:09.408
like that to me, that was exactly like what we saw here.

01:10:09.408 --> 01:10:37.914
My favorite part of this entire film, besides like the slow build of what was being created with the anxiety up to this, but the fact that you have this insane kindergarten class of just like monsters who have just been like, again, this is re-weaponizing them and turning them against the people that were manipulating them and using them to really take down what like, again, This is to me again, back to my metaphor of it being, you know, weapon control and school shootings.

01:10:37.914 --> 01:10:48.243
This is the youth taking it back and being redirected to actually go after the people who are responsible for what is going on in their, in their town, taking that power.

01:10:48.243 --> 01:10:55.368
and despite anybody, nobody knew what the hell was going on, but these kids knew what, like they, whether they knew it or not, they went after her.

01:10:55.368 --> 01:10:58.170
And the, again, it was ridiculous with tearing her apart.

01:10:58.170 --> 01:11:00.550
was almost like, what was it?

01:11:00.550 --> 01:11:01.601
A shot of the dead.

01:11:01.601 --> 01:11:08.752
You know, but like, and it was crazy and it's like, but that to me, that was the absurdist comedy that really, you know, came to a head at the end.

01:11:08.752 --> 01:11:16.444
And it was just so entertaining to watch the smashing of the kids running through the windows and like not just going fucking ham.

01:11:16.444 --> 01:11:19.829
oh Okay, well, Erica, care to be the tiebreaker here.

01:11:19.829 --> 01:11:21.060
What were your thoughts on that finale?

01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:25.966
Did you like it like Aaron or were you sort of in between slash didn't love it as much like me?

01:11:25.966 --> 01:11:32.466
Oh, as soon as, and know, spoilers, mean, I would hope that by now, anybody who's listening has hopefully seen it.

01:11:32.466 --> 01:11:38.326
But spoilers, as soon as she had that comment where she said she can make him even eat another person, I knew it.

01:11:38.326 --> 01:11:39.225
I knew.

01:11:39.405 --> 01:11:41.305
So I loved the cannibalism at the end.

01:11:41.305 --> 01:11:42.166
I thought it was sick.

01:11:42.166 --> 01:11:44.386
I was like, I really enjoyed it.

01:11:44.386 --> 01:12:03.127
was like, you know, especially after so much heavy, you know, know, trauma and all of these heavy themes to have like kind of like something that's a little bit more like light and, you know, and it too, it like, It kind of goes back to how Amy Madigan looked as Gladys, you know, this like very carefree, like almost like she should be like a kindergarten teacher.

01:12:03.127 --> 01:12:07.472
And then for her to be just completely annihilated by these kids was awesome.

01:12:07.472 --> 01:12:08.421
I loved it.

01:12:08.421 --> 01:12:37.163
I think the thing that really that I wish they would have at least commented on a little bit but didn't, but at the same time it kind of left it up to the viewers uh own imagination was while they were under the control of this, you know, these trances, if they were aware and they didn't really comment on that, but that would to me would make more sense as to why again it took a while for kids.

01:12:37.163 --> 01:12:41.717
Cause they mentioned at the end, like his parents were being fed soup, you know, not by him.

01:12:41.717 --> 01:12:44.859
So they obviously had to go somewhere to be taken care of.

01:12:44.859 --> 01:12:50.802
They were obviously traumatized by everything that occurred, stabbing themselves in the face, all that crazy shit.

01:12:50.802 --> 01:12:53.625
And then the kids themselves, some of them even started talking again.

01:12:53.625 --> 01:13:00.088
Again, this is a lot of, of the aftermath of these violent events that occur within small communities.

01:13:00.088 --> 01:13:09.055
The traumatization that will conduct that they'll carry on throughout the lives of these children, not just because they, you know, they were, basically kidnapped.

01:13:09.055 --> 01:13:13.500
Uh, and then also the fact that they ripped an ADA person to death alive.

01:13:13.500 --> 01:13:30.283
So again, there's just like that to me would have been the one thing I wish I would have, you know, would have been like kind of made clear, but at the same time, I kind of also on the other side of it, like the idea of it being left up to our imagination as to why they weren't just like immediately snapping out out of these trances.

01:13:30.412 --> 01:13:30.707
Yeah.

01:13:30.707 --> 01:13:35.039
uh Did you guys see that he actually came out and said he wants to do a sequel?

01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:35.698
Interesting.

01:13:35.698 --> 01:13:36.444
didn't see that.

01:13:36.444 --> 01:13:38.238
oh more of the story.

01:13:38.238 --> 01:13:43.020
Yeah, he said there's more of the story that he has to tell or that he would like to see unravel.

01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:54.686
So I'm hoping that with, you know, hopefully people loving this movie that it gets made, because I think all of us who have seen it kind of want more to the story, whether it me personally, I wanted a prequel of Gladys.

01:13:54.686 --> 01:13:59.810
Yeah, because I'm like, I need to know how that even came to be, because that's a thing in itself.

01:13:59.810 --> 01:14:05.438
ah gonna say, but they've also have confirmed that this is in the same universe, same world as Barbarian.

01:14:05.578 --> 01:14:06.564
Oh, I didn't know that.

01:14:06.564 --> 01:14:08.125
ah That's interesting.

01:14:08.125 --> 01:14:09.528
I mean, guess I could see that.

01:14:09.528 --> 01:14:15.021
Which if is the case, means Justin Long's character might actually be the same character from Barbarian.

01:14:15.021 --> 01:14:20.702
Yeah, I mean, while he's an actor in Barbarian and he eventually gets his head smashed at the end of Barbarian.

01:14:20.702 --> 01:14:22.641
weapons could be.

01:14:23.261 --> 01:14:24.502
Yeah, I don't know.

01:14:24.502 --> 01:14:25.221
Interesting.

01:14:25.221 --> 01:14:27.221
Well, I'll tell you what, let's go ahead and round this thing out.

01:14:27.221 --> 01:14:32.301
I think we've talked weapons pretty in depth here and let's go and give our final thoughts here.

01:14:32.462 --> 01:14:40.122
So again, as we always do, Erica, again, I don't remember our sort of rating system here on the Oblivion Bar, but we rate everything out of five David A.

01:14:40.122 --> 01:14:44.442
Weiner's, who is the director and writer of In Search of Darkness, In Search of Tomorrow.

01:14:44.489 --> 01:14:46.631
famed horror fanatic as well.

01:14:46.631 --> 01:14:48.091
I'm sure he would enjoy this conversation.

01:14:48.091 --> 01:14:50.233
David, if out there, we love you.

01:14:50.292 --> 01:14:52.054
So Erica, we're gonna start with you.

01:14:52.054 --> 01:14:53.034
Out of five David A.

01:14:53.034 --> 01:14:59.307
Weiners, and you can do a half fractions of a rating, what are you gonna give Zack Kroeger's weapons?

01:14:59.341 --> 01:15:01.833
Let's say a 4.5.

01:15:01.963 --> 01:15:03.105
Mmm, okay.

01:15:03.105 --> 01:15:03.832
All right.

01:15:03.832 --> 01:15:04.801
That's solid.

01:15:04.801 --> 01:15:06.524
Yeah, I love that.

01:15:06.524 --> 01:15:09.548
To me, it's like you, mean, horror has always been a little political, right?

01:15:09.548 --> 01:15:13.734
But uh you mix that message with witchcraft and I'm in.

01:15:14.577 --> 01:15:15.637
I'm in.

01:15:15.637 --> 01:15:16.479
Yeah.

01:15:16.484 --> 01:15:17.738
Aaron, how about you?

01:15:18.166 --> 01:15:19.648
I'm going to give it a four.

01:15:20.712 --> 01:15:23.115
Really, really strong four.

01:15:23.939 --> 01:15:25.261
Too much hair.

01:15:26.506 --> 01:15:29.069
A lot of hair being wrapped around, but.

01:15:29.069 --> 01:15:29.989
Yeah.

01:15:30.329 --> 01:15:31.750
I will say four as well.

01:15:31.750 --> 01:15:39.869
And again, as I said earlier, Erica, similar as you, like I was like everything about this film up to I think maybe Alex's sort of solo story.

01:15:39.869 --> 01:15:42.289
Gosh, was I just so into this film.

01:15:42.289 --> 01:15:45.770
was was thinking this is this could be in contention for a five.

01:15:45.770 --> 01:15:46.770
I was very close.

01:15:46.770 --> 01:15:53.109
I loved everything about this film up until I'd say like Alex's story back, like everything, everything from the film on.

01:15:53.109 --> 01:15:53.609
And I don't know.

01:15:53.609 --> 01:15:56.010
I'm not even saying that I didn't like Alex's portion.

01:15:56.010 --> 01:16:00.661
And again, I'm not even say I didn't necessarily love or I didn't necessarily like the finale.

01:16:00.661 --> 01:16:03.435
just, I think that's where I started to sort of like back off.

01:16:03.435 --> 01:16:07.912
I sort of uh became a little more precious of this rating in that moment.

01:16:07.912 --> 01:16:11.086
So yeah, I'm gonna give it a four though, a solid four.

01:16:11.086 --> 01:16:12.805
I need to get I need to get some clarity.

01:16:12.805 --> 01:16:14.126
I need to get some clarity Erica.

01:16:14.126 --> 01:16:20.666
Did you agree with me on the the Okay, I I I kind of wanted to hear it from her again.

01:16:20.666 --> 01:16:22.362
Oh, My apologies.

01:16:22.890 --> 01:16:24.024
Yeah.

01:16:24.445 --> 01:16:30.612
I don't get a lot of chances to be at least agreed with or winning certain arguments.

01:16:30.932 --> 01:16:31.733
Battle Royale.

01:16:31.733 --> 01:16:34.787
um And so I have to take it where I can get it.

01:16:34.787 --> 01:16:38.340
So thank you for confirming that.

01:16:38.340 --> 01:16:44.365
Before we go though, before we move into giving, I know we're about to wrap this up, but I have two questions I really wanted.

01:16:44.365 --> 01:16:48.460
I wrote down that I wanted to ask you, Erica, Chris, nothing to do with you.

01:16:48.677 --> 01:16:49.720
I'll leave.

01:16:49.770 --> 01:16:50.319
Bye.

01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:52.931
Just go ahead and mute and walk away for a little, go get a snack.

01:16:52.931 --> 01:16:59.890
Um, no, I wanted to ask if, uh, I know we're gonna pro Chris is probably going to ask this during the, during, you know, when we say goodbye.

01:16:59.890 --> 01:17:02.208
Uh, but is there any like horror stuff?

01:17:02.208 --> 01:17:07.282
Is there anything in like genres that you really love that you're getting that you're excited for coming up?

01:17:08.382 --> 01:17:14.127
Movies, uh, shows and cause then my next question is actually going to be, are you excited about alien earth?

01:17:14.127 --> 01:17:17.338
Because that's kind of a cryptic story core to be honest.

01:17:17.338 --> 01:17:20.280
Like it's, you know, it's the boogeyman in space type thing.

01:17:20.280 --> 01:17:22.608
So I kind of want to know if, you know, that's an example.

01:17:22.608 --> 01:17:24.934
Is there anything else that you're like pumped about?

01:17:25.431 --> 01:17:30.265
I'm excited for Eggers' uh werewolf movie.

01:17:30.265 --> 01:17:31.886
I love werewolves.

01:17:31.886 --> 01:17:38.109
So the fact that he's making something that's like a period piece, because I love horror when it's like a period piece.

01:17:38.109 --> 01:17:40.951
I just think there's something that's so like raw about like the witch.

01:17:40.951 --> 01:17:52.926
You you have like this, it just seems like a little bit more, I don't know the word I'm looking for, but it's just so like so rough to be, you know, back in the 1300s and have to deal with a werewolf, right?

01:17:52.926 --> 01:17:55.149
Because it's already awful conditions.

01:17:55.149 --> 01:17:58.162
ah Yes, yes, I loved it.

01:17:58.162 --> 01:17:58.634
I loved it.

01:17:58.634 --> 01:18:02.658
And also the costuming like very excited for Badlands.

01:18:02.658 --> 01:18:05.130
I think that that looks very, very good.

01:18:05.130 --> 01:18:06.682
I am a huge Predator fan.

01:18:06.682 --> 01:18:14.409
So doing anything with like an underdog Predator on like a planet where there's tons of crazy shit, I'm down for that.

01:18:14.831 --> 01:18:17.421
I'm trying to think of anything else that I know is coming out.

01:18:17.421 --> 01:18:24.300
We got a trailer during this, uh at least I got a trailer before this film for Oz Perkins Keeper film that's coming out later this year.

01:18:24.300 --> 01:18:31.376
yeah, so I remember seeing the preview of that during the monkey, so I'm curious as to what that's gonna be about.

01:18:31.376 --> 01:18:36.118
But I mean, anything else Perkins, I'm totally excited to watch too, so yeah.

01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:38.752
But yeah, Alien Earth, of course.

01:18:38.752 --> 01:18:43.845
I loved Romulus, I just want that universe to just continue.

01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:44.881
to succeed.

01:18:44.881 --> 01:18:45.970
Yes.

01:18:45.970 --> 01:18:47.622
I finally it took me this long.

01:18:47.622 --> 01:18:49.322
I just got it in the mail like two days ago.

01:18:49.322 --> 01:18:54.028
I had to wait because I don't know if you saw like they came up with all those popcorn buckets.

01:18:54.028 --> 01:18:54.738
Yes.

01:18:54.738 --> 01:18:56.840
Alien uh Romulus.

01:18:56.841 --> 01:19:00.764
And there was one I think it might have been AMC.

01:19:00.764 --> 01:19:04.326
It was the it was the containment unit that has the alien that glows in it.

01:19:04.327 --> 01:19:08.569
People were charging like one hundred fifty to two hundred dollars just for that one.

01:19:08.569 --> 01:19:09.840
And it's so small.

01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:11.061
Like I finally got one in the mail.

01:19:11.061 --> 01:19:13.587
I paid I paid 30 bucks.

01:19:13.587 --> 01:19:14.770
Good job.

01:19:15.335 --> 01:19:18.537
I was patient, the thing is like this big.

01:19:19.314 --> 01:19:21.293
I don't even know how they fit any popcorn in there.

01:19:21.293 --> 01:19:25.502
Like you can get like six kernels that are puffed and it's like you're full.

01:19:25.502 --> 01:19:26.143
But yeah.

01:19:26.143 --> 01:19:27.113
So that I'm excited.

01:19:27.113 --> 01:19:28.154
I'm a huge fan as well.

01:19:28.154 --> 01:19:33.569
Chris knows we talked about um killer of killers on the show recently.

01:19:33.569 --> 01:19:40.807
um Can I say real quick on the alien front to San Diego Comic Con that Aaron and I were both at, we were working most of the time or somewhere else.

01:19:40.807 --> 01:19:46.248
They gave out an alien earth tradmore poster who tradmore we're to have on the show later in August.

01:19:46.368 --> 01:19:47.510
I bought it in the aftermarket.

01:19:47.510 --> 01:19:48.619
I paid 70 bucks again.

01:19:48.619 --> 01:19:50.319
It's not, I mean, it's a Mondo poster.

01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:52.990
So that's how I sort of justified it in my brain.

01:19:52.990 --> 01:19:56.351
But at the same time, tradmore doing alien doing a xenomorph.

01:19:56.351 --> 01:19:57.532
How do you not get that?

01:19:57.532 --> 01:19:59.752
I think it's my, my justification for it.

01:19:59.752 --> 01:20:04.521
So, and Aaron, to speak on your popcorn buckets and this of it all, I am I that.

01:20:04.521 --> 01:20:20.087
uh My wife has banned me from buying any more popcorn.

01:20:20.158 --> 01:20:25.315
no, got my jaws, chum bucket, and then the actual jaws behind me right here.

01:20:25.315 --> 01:20:26.247
Cause I bought both of them.

01:20:26.247 --> 01:20:27.106
was like, yeah.

01:20:27.106 --> 01:20:43.210
Don't have room for I I don't even I can't even display I got we got the the Batman the 80th anniversary the spotlight and I can't even display it cuz it's that one's that one is so big it is so fucking big It's like the Jurassic Park one that's like huge.

01:20:43.591 --> 01:21:00.448
But it's also like the so the only other one that I wanted recently after that was you know Captain America brave new world They had the shield that extended into a popcorn bucket and I was like I have to get that one So I bought that one, but it's like how do you display that?

01:21:00.711 --> 01:21:09.515
Like you can't display it as a bucket It's like and I have like 16 shields because I used to cosplay as Captain America before I got my kovat weight Now you're Thank you.

01:21:09.515 --> 01:21:09.875
Thank you.

01:21:09.875 --> 01:21:13.890
I was gonna go with fat Thor, but like now more like Red Guardian.

01:21:14.389 --> 01:21:14.829
All right.

01:21:14.829 --> 01:21:15.970
Well, let's close this thing out of here.

01:21:15.970 --> 01:21:17.949
Erica, I'm going to pass it off to you once again.

01:21:17.949 --> 01:21:20.369
And we absolutely and I'll speak for Aaron here.

01:21:20.369 --> 01:21:21.909
If Aaron wants to add anything, he totally can.

01:21:21.909 --> 01:21:23.770
But I always add in things.

01:21:23.770 --> 01:21:24.590
Yeah.

01:21:24.630 --> 01:21:25.470
Absolute pleasure.

01:21:25.470 --> 01:21:30.909
Not only to get you on the show to talk about both the monkey and now weapons, but just, you know, being friends with you now.

01:21:30.909 --> 01:21:33.369
Also, again, you supporting the show and us doing the same for you.

01:21:33.369 --> 01:21:39.170
It's so easy to support you and all your ventures and just absolutely enjoy having you here on the show to talk about all things horror.

01:21:39.170 --> 01:21:41.289
And one day maybe we would have you on for something that's not horror.

01:21:41.289 --> 01:21:43.717
But I want to pass it off to you one last time.

01:21:44.011 --> 01:21:49.363
How do you want folks to sort of keep an eye out for you and your, all the things that you do and can't crypt it and all those things.

01:21:49.503 --> 01:21:54.055
So you can listen to my podcast at CampCryptidPod.com.

01:21:54.095 --> 01:21:55.087
It's free to listen to.

01:21:55.087 --> 01:21:59.198
then you can just, if you just go to my Instagram, it's Erica Fett.

01:21:59.259 --> 01:22:03.400
It's pretty easy to find like Boba Fett by Erica Fett, because I'm a bounty hunter.

01:22:03.400 --> 01:22:14.681
ah But uh yeah, other than that, I have a couple of movies coming out that are horror, like Gettysburg Haunting and then um the Fairfield County Four.

01:22:14.681 --> 01:22:16.534
which is a found footage where we'll film.

01:22:16.534 --> 01:22:19.257
So hopefully I will have more information about those this fall.

01:22:19.257 --> 01:22:20.729
But yeah, I'm very excited.

01:22:20.729 --> 01:22:24.585
So that's kind of like, you know, where you can catch me at a local cryptid convention.

01:22:24.585 --> 01:22:26.829
I'm usually just bouncing around all over.

01:22:26.829 --> 01:22:27.890
And New York Comic Con.

01:22:27.890 --> 01:22:28.670
We'll see you there.

01:22:28.670 --> 01:22:28.750
Right.

01:22:28.750 --> 01:22:30.243
Yes, yes, I will be in New York Comic Con.

01:22:30.243 --> 01:22:32.488
I'm a cosplay guest this year again.

01:22:32.488 --> 01:22:35.837
So I will be at New York Comic Con in the Cosplay Central area this year.

01:22:35.837 --> 01:22:36.814
So come see.

01:22:36.814 --> 01:22:37.373
Amazing.

01:22:37.373 --> 01:22:39.635
Well, once again, Erica, thank you so much for joining us.

01:22:39.635 --> 01:22:40.484
We greatly appreciate it.

01:22:40.484 --> 01:22:42.615
Love to have you back on as soon as possible.

01:22:42.615 --> 01:22:46.177
Maybe for Keeper in the fall, if you have time.

01:22:46.177 --> 01:22:47.738
We do a Halloween special every year.

01:22:47.738 --> 01:22:55.837
mean, you know, if it's, if you have the availability, we'd love to have you back on in some way, but either way we'll see you at New York Comic Con and that will do it for episode 202.

01:22:55.837 --> 01:22:57.774
Aaron, take us out of here.

01:22:57.774 --> 01:22:59.715
I'll do pick that.

01:22:59.715 --> 01:23:00.085
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01:24:01.524 --> 01:24:02.105
Yeah.

01:24:02.105 --> 01:24:04.725
Erica, I don't know why he tries to do it so quickly, but this is the thing.

01:24:04.725 --> 01:24:05.786
I love it.

01:24:05.845 --> 01:24:12.006
It's a running joke or running theme that Aaron likes to try to speed through the call to action.

01:24:12.126 --> 01:24:13.926
But Aaron, mean, it gets better.

01:24:13.926 --> 01:24:14.680
It gets better.

01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:15.810
It's my personal bit.

01:24:15.810 --> 01:24:18.153
But because people are always asking like, don't you pre-record it?

01:24:18.153 --> 01:24:19.083
Because I don't want to.

01:24:19.083 --> 01:24:20.083
I want to do it fun.

01:24:20.083 --> 01:24:21.695
It's my passion.

01:24:21.695 --> 01:24:23.436
I don't get to do much in the show.

01:24:23.436 --> 01:24:27.900
I'm like uh Sigourney Weaver in Galaxy Quest.

01:24:27.900 --> 01:24:30.922
I have one job and it's repeating what the ship says.

01:24:31.292 --> 01:24:35.113
I'm wearing low cut shirts that shows off your V.

01:24:35.113 --> 01:24:36.014
That's right.

01:24:36.014 --> 01:24:36.434
All right, everybody.

01:24:36.434 --> 01:24:37.974
Thank you so much for listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

01:24:37.974 --> 01:24:41.814
We will see you all next week for episode 203.