MOVIE REVIEW: Thunderbolts*

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Hey, this is Brian Michael Bendis, the co-creator of Miles Morales, Raby Williams, Jessica Jones, and the Jinx World line.

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And you are listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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Welcome to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Knowles.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 192 of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I'm your leading scorer on the West Chesapeake Bay Thunderbolts Chris Hacker and joining me is the dark void of President Thomas Whitmore, my co-host and BFF Aaron Knowles.

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We will not go quietly into the night.

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We will not vanish without a fight.

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We're going to live on.

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We're going to survive.

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Today, we celebrate our Independence Day! I a little Bill Pullman there in the beginning of the show uh for obvious reasons, Aaron, because this week we are talking about the thirty sixth film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe Thunderbolts Astric.

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Is it is the Astric actually part of the title or is that just a marketing thing?

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just a marketing thing.

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It's a a it's a little twist.

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Little nipple twist at the end of the movie.

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Little nipple twist.

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Yeah, you love that.

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We get we get why there's an asterisk, right?

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But then it actually well, we'll talk about it.

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We'll talk about it here in just a bit, because again, this week we're going to be talking about Thunderbolts.

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And you're probably wondering, Aaron, Chris, why did you do a Bill Pullman quote there at the beginning of the show?

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And it's because Lewis Pullman, his son, you know, star of Bad Times at the El Royale, Aaron, star of Top Gun Maverick, also named Bob, is in this film.

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No way.

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Are you just now realizing that that's Lewis Pullman?

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just now realizing that that was Lewis Holman.

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Caught up.

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saw both of those.

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Okay, we're all here.

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We're all here.

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all here.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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We're all present.

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Speaking of being present, Aaron, we're on the way to episode 200 here on the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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200.

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keep a real 200 110 % no which 100 % which we've talked is actually not even really true.

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We passed 200 a while ago because.

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Yeah, we've done some bonus episodes here and there.

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We're like legacy number 241 currently, but officially it'll be 200 here in a couple of months.

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But, you know, for episode one, 92, it's exciting to be back in the MCU because if listeners remember Aaron, just a couple of months ago, we discussed Captain America Brave New World and we had varying experiences with that film, I will say.

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uh If people remember, highly recommend people go listen to that conversation between Aaron and I, because I don't think we have disagreed on a film more.

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Can we take a step back?

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I feel like we jumped really quickly from the 200 road to 200.

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A little bit.

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I just want to like I want to I want to ruminate.

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I want to simmer.

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Yes.

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Aren't we doing like something special?

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We should save some space, you know, for 200 because this is an important time.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what we're doing.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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Why are you asking me?

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I mean, who would know?

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Right.

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Like, who would know if not?

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My dark void would know he's not here presently because I'm an aloof nerd.

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Negacris.

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No, we'll do something special for 200.

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We just don't know what it is yet.

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And Aaron, just like we have over the last five years here on the Oblivion Bar, because it was our five year anniversary on April 16th, uh we will figure it out two to three weeks before that episode drops.

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Yes, because we are nothing if not consistent.

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Yeah.

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We're inconsistently consistent.

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Consistently inconsistent.

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There we go.

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But again, back in the MCU, ah we're going to get into some news and notes and other things before we get into this review of Thunderbolts.

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Give me a brief teaser on those thoughts.

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Okay, you ready for it?

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Yeah.

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Deep sigh.

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deep side.

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All right, fair enough, fair enough.

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I'm gonna give a, hmm.

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um Oh, pretty concise.

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I wish you guys listening could see his his his voice or is not as I mean obviously can't see his voice his face right that's what I meant to say is give me the sound again hmm hold it no I wish I could have but like he just looks so innocently like I'm not sure like you ever look you ever like told a kid like you ever lied to a kid and like You're probably not a terrible person like I am but if you ever lie to a child and they have that face for a second where they're like I kind of believe you but I'm not sure that's his face their intuition hasn't fully clicked yet as a human being.

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So like I've been implicitly believing you my entire life, but now I sort of second guess that.

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Sure.

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Yeah, as we all should be right.

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That's what we should all just be skeptical.

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And, know, you're going to have to just wait a little bit, everybody, or you could check the show notes because I put time codes in there if you want to just go ahead and skip to that review of Thunderbolts.

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But Aaron, before we get to our news and notes, before we get to that review of Thunderbolts, we please tell the people at home how they can support this crazy shit that we do here.

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All right, enough of that silliness.

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Let's go ahead and get into our news and notes.

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OK.

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I don't know.

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Aaron, what's our first piece of news here today?

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Oh, it's disappointing.

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had so much hope for this.

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DC Studios Clayface solo film is reportedly undergoing a page one rewrite.

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oh If you guys don't know what a page one rewrite is, imagine taking something that could, we have no idea how good it was, how bad it was, and just chucking it in the fire.

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Yep.

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Yeah, it's gone.

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It's it's a control a delete.

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Just kidding getting it off my hands.

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Okay back in February horror director James Watkins uh Eden Lake speak no evil was tapped to bring clay face to life from a script written by Mike Flanagan We were all we were all rooting for you It's kind of a weird juxtaposition really quick just to start from the top there, because you've got James Watkins who he'd like.

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Not too bad.

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Speak no evil, Aaron.

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I think we were both pretty vocal how much we didn't like that remake.

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Right.

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But Mike Flanagan, I mean, Mike Flanagan is like a bona fide star in the horror world.

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think most notably people know him for his uh Doctor Sleep movie from 2019, but also the haunting series on Netflix.

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Hill House, Bly Manor, Midnight Mass, the Midnight Club, all the things.

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So that was exciting.

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And like you said, it's slightly disheartening that it seems like they're just going to scrap all of that.

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But let's let's hear what old James had to say about this.

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According to industry insider Jeff Snyder, the project may not be as far along as we had hoped.

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We revealed that Mike Flanagan only wrote a skeleton script for the movie, noting that Flanagan's attention has now shifted to his Amazon slash MGM Carrie TV series.

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This comes off the back of Colin Farrell's Sergeant Rock film, which was supposed to begin filming this summer in England, which has been halted indefinitely rumored.

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It's actually rumored to be scrapped due to the budget.

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think they were trying to get like Daniel Craig, Colin Farrell.

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They just couldn't get anybody to stick to it because obviously this is pretty much in development hell as of right now.

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DC Studios president James Gunn told Deadline, as I say all the time, everything here is about, I want to make sure we have the screenplay that works perfectly.

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That goes above and beyond anything else.

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You know, I'm glad that James and James Gunn has said this as he says here, he has been saying this from the very beginning since he and Peter Saffron took over DC Studios.

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The script comes first, right?

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We want to make a good movie and then we'll figure out how it fits into the universe, because as we know, Aaron, the DC universe, but specifically just comics, comic book characters, these types of worlds are pretty flexible.

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You know, you can work them in together.

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A lot of people thought that you could never do a live action Thor and Captain America and then Whoa, let's put them in a movie together like how's that ever going to work?

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Shocker.

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It worked out really well.

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So I believe in James Gunn and not to mention he also took five wild characters and put them on a team together called it the Guardians of the Galaxy.

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And I think it's probably the best corner of the MCU or it was for a long time.

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So I trust James Gunn and an association.

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I trust Peter Saffron.

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And if they don't think this is good, I'm fine.

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I'm not clamoring for a Clayface movie.

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I know you were excited because you like Clayface.

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And I'm excited.

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was excited because Mike Flanagan was attached to it.

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But if Mike Flanagan is barely paying attention to this, I really don't care.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's let's continue on with.

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on.

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I want to see what your thoughts are.

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What were your thoughts on all this?

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already know my thoughts.

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You just said my thoughts.

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know.

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No, I'm fucking disappointed.

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OK, I'm this is I was excited for this.

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Clayface is one of my favorite Batman rogues.

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And you know, I want them to do it right.

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I want them to.

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This is like he has so much potential.

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Like go back to one bad day.

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The one bad day series that they did, I think it was last year or 2020.

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Jackson Lansing.

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Yeah, they did an amazing one like one bad day.

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single issue of Clayface and just kind of it, for lack of a better word, humanized him and his and his strife and his plight.

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So it's just like it can be done.

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It can be done beautifully in a few pages.

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It could be amazing on a large screen.

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You got me ranting here now because you want to hear something.

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But all I'm saying is I'm disappointed, but I just want them to do it justice.

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Like this is take like the Batman, you know, and give a dark seedy, dangerous version of this and like almost make it psychological.

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We already kind of saw this with Penguin to write like people thought that why are we doing a Penguin show like yeah, Colin Farrell was great in the Batman.

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We get it.

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He was awesome as a character.

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He disappeared into that role.

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But we're all I think most of us I'm almost positive you and I were very skeptical about this HBO series.

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And then holy crap, it would just happen to be maybe one of the best crime dramas of last year.

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So, you know, it's one those things that I and it sounds like we're possibly still going to get Clayface.

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It looks like Sergeant Rock is dead.

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As you said, Daniel Craig was initially attached to it.

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Then Colin Farrell takes off the nose and the body suit decides he wants to play a hardened soldier from the forties, which he can totally do.

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He's a chameleon, but it sounds like they're reworking this thing completely.

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And they're not just scrapping it like they were Sergeant Rock.

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oh be surprised if they just make it into like another series like like the Penguin or something similar.

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Like I wouldn't even be mad at that.

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Like do it justice.

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Give it give it the time and it because he is not Penguin himself is not a simple villain.

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We've seen that Clayface even more so is a complex psychological psychologically driven villain.

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Like so I'm excited for them to do something better with it.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Let's move on to Jeremy Renner turned down Hawkeye season two over Disney's low ball offer.

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So one of the OG Avengers is that mincing words when it comes to why Hawkeye has not returned to the MCU in a candid interview with the podcast, High Performance, Jeremy Renner revealed that when Marvel approached him to reprise his role as Clint Barton in the second Disney plus season, the deal was, quote, insulting.

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He said, They asked me to do season two.

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They offered me half the money.

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What made the offer even more frustrating for Renner?

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was the sense that his 2023 near death accident might've played a role in the pay cut.

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He says, he continues on here.

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says, I'm like, I'm sorry, why?

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Did you think that I'm only half the Jeremy because I got ran over?

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Maybe that's why you want to only pay me half of what I made in the first season.

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This is not Marvel, mind you.

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This is not even really Disney.

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This is just the penny pinchers, the accountants.

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So he's, and it's funny, if you watch the actual video, it kind of seems like he like off the cuff from the hip is like.

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No, they didn't pay me.

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They didn't come correct with that Brinks truck.

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And then he was like, Oh, actually, hold on.

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I actually want to play this character again at some point.

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Let me back this up.

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Not Marvel, not Disney.

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It's the the suits.

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Right.

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That's who's making the issue here.

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Yeah.

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So on January 1st, and this is for people who maybe don't know what happened to Jeremy Renner and why he really hasn't been in any movies and hasn't really been in the spotlight uh as of until recently on January 1st, 2023, a fourteen thousand pound Snowcat plowed him over while he was helping his nephew during a snowstorm near Lake Tahoe.

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The actor suffered massive injuries, eight ribs broken in 14 places, a shattered right knee and ankle, a broken left leg, tibia ankle, a busted clavicle and more.

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And if you've seen videos of, know, Jeremy directly after that incident, it was scary.

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Like I think a lot of people, they like to poke fun at Jeremy Renner because he is like, he's hitting his midlife crisis right in front of rise.

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Like he's like singing, learn how to sing and play the guitar.

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And he has like he has his own app is like cringy app for a while that you could keep up with Jeremy Renner and what he's doing.

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And then like I say all this, but to say like truly he is like one of the more endearing actors working today.

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I feel like I like him in just about everything that he's in.

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And again, as I said there, he's an OG Avenger Hawkeye is always welcome.

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And it's always like a nice, warm and fuzzy when he shows up these movies.

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You know, it was a big bummer when it when it showed that he was hurt the way he was it was almost concerning to the point where we thought he may never play the character again or live.

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mean, or live.

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Right.

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More important.

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Yeah.

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It's I mean, I'm that's it's unfortunate they're treating him like this, but I feel like the I feel like they'll turn it around because I think you're right.

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I think he is one of the more uh apt staples in the MCU right now.

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You know, the stuff that he's touched and been in has been the successful, you know, property.

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So keep him around.

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I mean, he is genuinely one to be protected.

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You know, it doesn't help that Haley Steinfeld stock is like skyrocketing currently.

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So if they really wanted to move on from Clint in the universe and just go straight into Kate Bishop, I think they probably easily could.

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Because I think of the many like incel idiots that just yell on the Internet about the MCU and Haley Steinfeld seems to be the one it's like Haley Steinfeld and Yellenobelovah, or Florence Pugh's Yellenobelovah that people really like and like don't really have many bad things, if any bad things to say about.

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So.

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Aaron, speaking of Hailee Steinfeld, what's next?

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What's the last piece of news we have?

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Yeah, so Sinners is doing fucking gangbusters at the box office, Crossing $185 million at the global box office and have its third weekend in theaters.

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Sinners has managed to pull in many box office records, including one of the lowest second week weekend drops at just 6%.

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It's also a huge win for Warner Brothers and Ryan Coogler as Warner Brothers now has two of the biggest films performing well at the box office.

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The other including a Minecraft movie and Coogler making a buttload of cash from his deal giving him first dollar gross participation.

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Basically, he earns a large percentage of box office revenue immediately.

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How do they keep getting away with this?

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Remember that scene from Breaking Bad?

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You can't keep getting away with it! Warner Brothers, they just keep doing it.

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And they're like one of the most dysfunctional studios ever.

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We didn't talk about it much during the James Gunn Clayface section there.

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But like behind the scenes, I've heard of like massive horribleness happening behind the scenes where like James Gunn is just skipping whole executives and going straight to Zaslav because he can't because Zaslav doesn't know how to fucking run a studio.

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And but they I mean, last year.

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What were the two biggest movies of the year?

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Oppenheimer and Barbie.

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This year.

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What's the two biggest movies thus far?

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I mean, it's crazy.

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It's just crazy.

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They keep doing this.

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Yeah, and then the other thing is pretty interesting is they're also the ones that are like getting in the most heat for like just getting rid of films like just completely pretending they weren't made ever Batgirl, you know Batgirl, but also like last year, you know what the lowest grossing film, well, not the lowest grossing, but the lowest profit margin of a film last year was Joker Folly Ado.

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So not only did they have the two highest grossing films, but they had the least, like the least successful film of the year.

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uh You put enough shit out there.

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You're to get all the awards, right?

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with centers reaching 185 million at the global box office with the total consisting of 135 million domestically and 39.7 million internationally.

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This puts it on track to hit roughly 300 million worldwide on a $90 million budget.

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Yeah.

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Kugler's box office worldwide fruitvale station from 2013, 17.5 mil.

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Creed 2015 174.2 mil Black Panther in 2018 1.334 billion Black Panther Wakanda forever 2022 859.2 million almost almost a billion sinners 2025 186.4 billion with a net total of 2.571 billion Bob.

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Bob Bowie.

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uh As we talked about during our review of centers and warfare with good friend of the show and co-host of the comic book couples counseling, Brad Gullickson, Ryan Coogler is now the mouth dork.

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If you're nasty, ah this is I mean, right.

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Coogler is like far and away the most successful commercially black director of all time.

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ah Not only that, but he's also and you see this a lot during the press junket.

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Because everyone's asking like, what's it like being the most successful black director?

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And Ryan Cooler to his credit is often like, I think I'm just like one of the most successful directors period.

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I don't think we necessarily need, I mean, I get it because he is the most like he is number one.

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It'd be different if they were like, you're one of the most successful, but no, he is the most successful commercially.

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So guess that holds a little bit of weight, but yeah, I mean, he is like, he's not even 40, Aaron, he's 38.

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Like he's five years younger or older than I am.

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And somehow he's making billion, but a billion dollar movie.

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Hey, more power to him, man.

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That's right.

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em All right.

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So.

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All righty, let's get into our Thunderbolts review, Astric review.

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Aaron spoilers.

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You can spoil everything from here on.

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OK, say a spoiler right now.

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uh Iron Man dies That was like six movies ago, but yes, you're so right.

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from this movie.

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yeah.

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Century has a dark side.

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Yeah.

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Call the void.

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Also.

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yeah.

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ahead.

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You what?

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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I was.

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What's the spoiler?

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What's the spoiler?

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Taskmaster dies in the first 10 minutes of movie.

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OK, there we go.

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What the fuck?

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Oh, wow.

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What happened?

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What the actual fuck, man?

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I've been waiting to talk about that.

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What the fuck?

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Why?

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Every fucking advertiser.

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out, time out.

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Initial thoughts, initial thoughts on Thunderbolts.

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Disappointing.

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Oh.

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Wow, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Hold on.

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Hold on to your big brush and britches.

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Why was it disappointing?

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Okay, slightly, I'll just get, I'll adjust it.

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Slightly disappointing.

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I just want to say like the things that I was hoping, I don't even know.

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hear, okay.

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I know I'm fucking stammering here, but it's because I've been waiting over a week to talk about this fucking movie with Chris.

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And part of it is because I don't understand what went wrong.

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I don't understand like how the stuff that we saw in the trailer in the trailers was so good.

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And this movie was just kind of like, eh, you know, like, yeah, mine's like, the thing that bothers me the most is like when I was leaving the screening or the screening for this movie, people were like doing the little Marvel Disney, like, like vignettes thing where they were talking to the camera, saying, this is the best movie.

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In the MCU, the action was amazing.

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Let's fucking go.

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And I'm just thinking like, I'm sorry, but this holds no candle to some of the greatest scenes in the MCU.

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When Thor was getting his ass beat by Thanos.

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And all of a sudden we see the Mjolnir raise up and you got Stormbreaker and Mjolnir being held by Captain America.

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Well, just that's me on here.

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But yes, I get what you're saying.

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He like he does at one point and then the words like Yeah.

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But I'm just saying the fact that we knew he could wield both of them, like that whole moment right there from the fight from him getting his act.

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Like there are moments like that that are so significantly, significantly amazing in the MCU.

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And you're telling me that Thunderbolt is the best MCU film you've seen.

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Fuck out of here.

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Yeah, there's like no nuance anymore.

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I think just and I know that's not like a hot take for anybody like that's not even really a nuance take anymore to say that there's no nuance like everyone is like this is the worst movie ever.

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The MCU needs to be canceled and all that.

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And then like other people like this is the best movie ever.

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This like it goes like Thunderbolts and then like distantly second is in game and Winter Soldier.

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You know, I am like so in the middle.

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I said this.

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to Olivia, my partner, Olivia, the other day or yesterday actually, cause I just saw it a couple of days ago.

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Enough went right to where I had a good time and couldn't like the cracks in the wall were so apparent, but this is just like far and away, way better than like Captain America, Brave New World.

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And what else we've gotten from the MCU recently?

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Like I very vividly think of like Guardians of the Galaxy volume three, Agatha all along, Deadpool and Wolverine.

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and thunderbolts like that's kind of.

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Like the way you describe this, you make me feel like I like, I'm not saying you, but I, in general, I feel like maybe I'm the problem.

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It's me.

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Maybe I'm expecting too much of like Marvel films because like I'm still expecting like again, Avenger size fights.

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I'm expecting like Avenger size powers and, and obstacles and issues and, and not.

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Talking down the bad guy with words, you know, See, that's the most surprising thing about all this, Aaron, is that this movie tugs on like the villain that is trauma, right?

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Yes.

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And this is something that I feel like more so than anybody else in my life seems to, if not have a great tackle on this, but also like understands the ebbing and flowing of that trauma.

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Right.

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And like, I kind of like the idea that there wasn't just a big blue light in the sky.

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And I mean, it was like, it wasn't a big blue light in the sky.

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It was an entire city in black, which is still this like very glossy, kind of broad sort of muddy third act, you know, but like it's different enough.

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And I love that.

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Like you just have all the Thunderbolts traversing different traumatic events and they're all like Looney Tunes style running from scene to scene, trying to get out of this world.

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Let me clarify something.

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I'm not saying that I did not enjoy this film because I did enjoy it.

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I didn't.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm going to reframe how I'm talking about this film because I don't want people thinking I'm not rewinding.

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I'm reframing.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I did enjoy the movie itself.

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I am just slightly disappointed with it as well.

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Hmm.

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Parallel.

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We're going to discuss where it sort of slots in in phase five, because this is actually the last film of phase five.

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So I am curious to sort of just discuss where this sort of lands and we don't have to like definitively place it somewhere on a rank.

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But like, I'm curious just like where the quality level is for you.

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And again, you sort of hinted at this.

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We've talked about a couple of times now.

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And before we get into the summary, I just want to ask you, how did you see the movie?

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How is your crowd?

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All the things.

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So I saw this, uh, in a screening.

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was an early screening, uh, through Fandango and it was, it was IMAX.

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I said you lucky lucky minks.

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Uh, was, yeah, I IMAX AMC IMAX in, I want to say Kips Bay, which is not exactly, it's in the city, but not in like downtown Manhattan.

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So, uh, and then it was really cool because they gave us again, like I showed you those popcorn boxes that were the Wheaties boxes with the Thunderbolts on them, which had like a bunch of like little like funny sayings and like the ingredients were like 10 % loyalty, you know, have like the crosswords and things on the back like normal cereal boxes.

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No, so it's got it's like on the side.

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It's like 100 % whole pain per serving.

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So not the whole grain nutrition facts about six servings per container serving size one Thunderbolt the cat there's hundred and twenty five thousand eight hundred and twenty calories in a box or per serving.

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So like it's funny because it's like fairness six percent optimism two percent lethallness ninety nine percent loyalty to be determined.

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You know, so it's got a little fun bunch of things on it.

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this was like a fun project for some marketing, like some senior marketing associate.

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Yes.

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Some kind of some very talented intern, which I think real quick, before you move on, I just want to say like broadly the marketing for this movie was excellent compared to again, I'm to keep comparing it to Brave New World because it's the only movie other movie we've gotten this year.

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And I guess we could compare it to Fantastic Four because I think that marketing has been pretty excellent thus far too.

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But like Thunderbolts, the you know, the quote a 24 trailer they put out.

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Obviously the Wheaties box, the multiple posters, just all the trailers in general, we're all really good.

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And it doesn't hurt that the majority of the cast has at least like an Oscar nom each.

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So that helps, but continue on.

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Sorry, I cut you off there.

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No, I was just going to say the crowd was good.

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It was quiet.

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wasn't like there was not a lot of like there was no interruptions.

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Like, like, think I actually might have been at one point the loudest person at the theater.

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Let's go.

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No, I'll tell you.

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I mean, we can talk about it right now.

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There's a scene where when the century comes out and he's just like fucking like poofing people into black dust, like the little girl when when uh who is it?

00:32:11.390 --> 00:32:12.921
Red Guardian like saves her.

00:32:12.921 --> 00:32:13.381
Yeah.

00:32:13.381 --> 00:32:15.281
And all of sudden he's like, it's OK.

00:32:15.281 --> 00:32:16.006
Go to your family.

00:32:16.006 --> 00:32:16.895
And all of a sudden.

00:32:17.451 --> 00:32:32.226
Yeah, I'm just like holy shit and Carly was like It wasn't kind of a shot like this movie is not afraid to pull his punches, which I really appreciate, which again, let's do a summary and then let's talk about Taskmaster.

00:32:32.226 --> 00:32:34.487
Okay.

00:32:35.167 --> 00:32:52.220
Insnared by a death trap together, an unconventional team of jerks, Yelena Belova, Bucky Barnes, Red Guardian, me, Ghost and John Walker embark on a dangerous mission that forces them to confront the darkest corners of their paths while having to rely on someone other than themselves.

00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:55.281
how is that for Red?

00:32:55.281 --> 00:32:55.801
that was great.

00:32:55.801 --> 00:32:59.682
I'm so glad that you can do a Russian accent, I'm probably going to ask you to do it again at some point.

00:32:59.682 --> 00:33:07.781
The sort of the setup of this movie, the opening scene, obviously we get the normal Marvel Studios intro, except for this time, there's not the normal fanfare.

00:33:07.781 --> 00:33:12.321
It's actually sort of a play on the older Marvel fanfare, where it was the flipping of the comics.

00:33:12.321 --> 00:33:15.162
It was obviously a bunch of normal Thunderbolts comics.

00:33:15.162 --> 00:33:17.582
I saw a lot of century in those in those comics as well.

00:33:17.582 --> 00:33:22.392
And then it slowly blackens to that void sort of aesthetic.

00:33:22.392 --> 00:33:24.643
Then we get a voiceover from Yelena Belova.

00:33:24.643 --> 00:33:27.025
So we're talking about how she's not feeling fulfilled.

00:33:27.025 --> 00:33:32.147
We get sort of a catch up of what she's been doing since the end of Hawkeye season two or excuse me, season one.

00:33:32.147 --> 00:33:35.269
We already established we're never getting a season two of Hawkeye.

00:33:35.286 --> 00:33:36.211
Not yet.

00:33:36.211 --> 00:33:36.752
Not yet.

00:33:36.752 --> 00:33:37.034
Not yet.

00:33:37.034 --> 00:33:37.943
Re-negotiations.

00:33:37.943 --> 00:33:38.954
pay Jeremy Renner.

00:33:38.954 --> 00:33:43.618
ah And I think this movie really kicked off.

00:33:43.618 --> 00:33:47.721
I think I officially established in my brain that like, OK, I'm on board.

00:33:47.721 --> 00:33:52.566
I can trust this movie at least a little bit when we get to that sort of vault.

00:33:52.566 --> 00:34:05.416
She gets this task from Valentina to go to this, go to this fall, pick up some, you know, Tyson loose ends up and we end up meeting up with Taskmaster, with John Walker and with Ghost, obviously in Yelena as well and Bob.

00:34:05.416 --> 00:34:12.411
So tell me a little bit about sort of your reaction, not only to that fight, but also what ends up happening at the end of that fight.

00:34:12.411 --> 00:34:25.516
oh as a proponent of like good mental health, as somebody who is like constantly like dealing with it, but also trying to help others with it and just trying to be, you know, like a meaningful person in the community to help with mental health.

00:34:25.637 --> 00:34:32.262
This movie was something like, soon as I started watching, I'm like, okay, the theme here is mental health.

00:34:32.262 --> 00:34:33.342
is emotional.

00:34:33.342 --> 00:34:38.742
is, it is, we're looking a little bit deeper because these are just people.

00:34:38.742 --> 00:34:40.577
I'm okay not being okay.

00:34:40.577 --> 00:34:42.679
Yeah, it's okay not to be okay.

00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:44.239
It's a struggle.

00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.181
All of these people are struggling in their own way.

00:34:46.181 --> 00:34:54.244
They're not like, again, God-like superheroes that can just go and like blast to another planet and be like, I'm going to drink my stuff to death.

00:34:54.244 --> 00:34:59.228
you know, like, so for me, was, I already was on board with the movie itself.

00:34:59.228 --> 00:35:01.148
I think I was just kind of still hoping.

00:35:01.148 --> 00:35:06.641
And there was some moments in there, but like, like, let's say when we get to the vault, the vault was, was cool.

00:35:06.641 --> 00:35:14.163
The vault, the vault was a fun idea where they had that first fight and everybody's kind of like, You know, like, they're they're pinging off each other because like this person is after this person.

00:35:14.163 --> 00:35:15.434
This person's after this person.

00:35:15.434 --> 00:35:16.554
This person's after this person.

00:35:16.554 --> 00:35:17.855
And it's a big old trap.

00:35:17.855 --> 00:35:22.199
But to me, like it started getting a little bit silly when they were trying to escape the vault.

00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:29.423
And it's like the old like there just happened to be one trap that was designed to stop the one person that couldn't get out of.

00:35:29.423 --> 00:35:34.706
But the rest of like, but they could just crack into the engine or the the the generator of this thing to shut it down.

00:35:34.706 --> 00:35:38.699
Like it did not seem like it was thought well thought out.

00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:43.543
You notice that John Walker, when he is going over to smash that machine, he goes on your left.

00:35:44.268 --> 00:35:45.130
Did you.

00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:46.461
I didn't, I didn't, missed that.

00:35:46.461 --> 00:35:47.277
That's cool.

00:35:47.277 --> 00:35:53.538
Yeah, I really, really enjoyed that opening scene there with the with all of the team when they're after each other.

00:35:53.538 --> 00:36:04.338
Like, I remember thinking when they're like catching each other's knives and like blasting each other and you've got Yelena using her her widow bites and you know, you've got a ghost phasing in and out of the quantum realm.

00:36:04.797 --> 00:36:07.197
It's all working for me at this point in the story.

00:36:07.197 --> 00:36:08.157
I'm really liking it.

00:36:08.157 --> 00:36:16.876
And then as we sort of established already, we sort of already let the cat out of the bag is that John Walker just come up comes up and domes Taskmaster at one point in this movie.

00:36:16.876 --> 00:36:17.295
I'm sorry.

00:36:17.295 --> 00:36:18.456
Is it is it John Walker?

00:36:18.456 --> 00:36:19.768
Is it ghost?

00:36:20.528 --> 00:36:24.251
OK, as I say, it's John Walker, who we already know as a fucking psychopath.

00:36:24.251 --> 00:36:28.793
We witnessed him do this live and on TV in Falcon and Winter Soldier.

00:36:28.893 --> 00:36:43.403
This is the endearing part of Wyatt Russell is that I think through everything that he did in Falcon and Winter Soldier and even in that moment where he shoots Taskmaster, who truthfully, let's be real, everybody, sort of a nothing burger of a villain, even in Black Widow.

00:36:43.403 --> 00:36:48.795
And we get like four minutes of Screen time in one face reveal in this movie.

00:36:48.795 --> 00:37:04.103
I was like, okay It sounds like this is sort of a collateral for him for like a longer journey for John Walker Like at this point in the story He is still very much the John Walker that we left at the end of Falcon and Winter Soldier And we see that progression as time goes on but yeah, I don't know.

00:37:04.103 --> 00:37:16.300
I just I didn't have a problem with it I actually sort of appreciated it Aaron's pointing currently at Taskmaster on the way Why is taskmaster so much in any of the advertising for four fucking minutes, man?

00:37:16.300 --> 00:37:17.094
Yeah, that's true.

00:37:17.094 --> 00:37:20.344
She like she even gets her own poster, like multiple posters.

00:37:20.344 --> 00:37:22.074
That irritates me so much.

00:37:22.074 --> 00:37:24.036
I like, I like taskmaster.

00:37:24.036 --> 00:37:26.778
wanted, I wanted some development from taskmaster.

00:37:26.778 --> 00:37:28.369
I wanted some, some autonomy.

00:37:28.369 --> 00:37:35.454
I wanted some, some interesting, because again, we don't even see like the potential of her fighting prowess.

00:37:35.454 --> 00:37:43.740
Like that would have been a great thing to have going against Sentry to see if there was any, even any way that she could have, you know, like, like learn and counteracted.

00:37:43.740 --> 00:37:45.742
Like there's, would have been a great challenge.

00:37:45.742 --> 00:37:46.382
Like, shit.

00:37:46.382 --> 00:37:48.268
Like this is the one person or something like, I don't know.

00:37:48.268 --> 00:37:53.923
I just feel like there was a lot of potential there and it didn't need to be just such a uh four minute character in this movie.

00:37:53.923 --> 00:37:55.005
maybe that was a rewrite.

00:37:55.005 --> 00:37:55.565
I don't know.

00:37:55.565 --> 00:37:56.905
It could have been cool.

00:37:57.237 --> 00:37:58.557
Yeah, I mean, maybe.

00:37:58.557 --> 00:38:03.532
I mean, there's a point in this movie where someone says it might have been John Walker, maybe Yelena.

00:38:03.532 --> 00:38:06.644
That's like we all shoot and punch hard or something like that.

00:38:06.644 --> 00:38:07.576
Like that's all they do.

00:38:07.576 --> 00:38:09.106
That's all any of them do.

00:38:09.106 --> 00:38:14.449
So and that's just what Taskmaster did, except for she can mimic your moves a little bit better than like say Bucky.

00:38:14.449 --> 00:38:16.771
But like Bucky could probably do a similar thing.

00:38:16.771 --> 00:38:55.159
Point point is, that like I think there had to be a little bit of collateral in this movie with a roster of folks who are all like objectively bad, you know, like It uh all have their own objective and at some point they at points they become they come together and they realize that it's all like a mutual objective together.

00:38:55.159 --> 00:39:07.744
one thing I really enjoyed especially was in the development of those relationships was the little little pings a little ratatat, you know, the little like at one point during the fight, they're like, I have these little like, you know, widow bites thing.

00:39:07.744 --> 00:39:17.737
He's like, I got a gun, you know, and they're like showing off their weapons like that's a big gun and like, know, like they're like kind of Yeah, it's a little long, like making fun of each other and like all of that.

00:39:17.737 --> 00:39:21.760
He has like the helmet that the whole discussion like it's great.

00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:22.521
It's great.

00:39:22.521 --> 00:39:24.963
Like like dialogue, you know, it's not derivative.

00:39:24.963 --> 00:39:26.025
It's not boring.

00:39:26.025 --> 00:39:26.905
It's like quippy.

00:39:26.905 --> 00:39:27.405
It's fun.

00:39:27.405 --> 00:39:30.298
It's like it's what a bunch of like misfits would probably talk about.

00:39:30.298 --> 00:39:36.393
They're going to make fun of each other and they're going to like they're going to have fun at each other's expense while still trying to get the job done.

00:39:36.393 --> 00:39:37.775
Marvel loves their quips, don't they?

00:39:37.775 --> 00:39:40.255
I mean, there's no more Artie J who was the king of the quip.

00:39:40.255 --> 00:39:43.969
But like, yeah, everybody's a quick machine, but it doesn't really bother me in this movie.

00:39:43.969 --> 00:39:48.003
Like it has in previous installments because it wasn't done well.

00:39:48.003 --> 00:39:52.387
But I think what this movie does especially really well is it gets the small moments really, really.

00:39:52.387 --> 00:39:53.429
It gets it right.

00:39:53.429 --> 00:40:04.018
Like I think very specifically of like Yelena and Lewis Pullman's Bob character in this movie, like those two specifically, I think are like really they bounce off each other really well.

00:40:04.018 --> 00:40:04.846
I almost like.

00:40:04.846 --> 00:40:06.326
really wanted them to like get together.

00:40:06.326 --> 00:40:07.065
You know what mean?

00:40:07.065 --> 00:40:08.965
Like I, kind of love that.

00:40:08.965 --> 00:40:12.585
both of them are really fighting an uphill battle in their trial and their venture through trauma.

00:40:12.585 --> 00:40:16.166
I don't know if they've confirmed that like they're going to like, what do you think?

00:40:16.166 --> 00:40:18.306
Like was there romantic chemistry there?

00:40:18.306 --> 00:40:22.981
Or do you think it was mostly just like Yelena trying to help Bob through his shit?

00:40:23.233 --> 00:40:25.096
think there's potential for chemistry.

00:40:25.096 --> 00:40:38.101
think it was like there was a little bit of a glimmer, like a little spark, you know, but I think I don't, think it was, innocent to the point where it doesn't have to be like a, like a staple in any other, like any other storyline, you know I mean?

00:40:38.101 --> 00:40:42.992
Doesn't have to be like a sub subtext storyline of, of that romantic involvement.

00:40:43.632 --> 00:40:53.427
one thing that I enjoyed though, again, it was the, the whole, the, the quips are definitely a cover for the insecurities and the sadness that we feel.

00:40:53.427 --> 00:41:02.846
when, and it makes sense that a lot of them are at each other's throats constantly with these quips and the knives, because they're trying to hide like the things that are going on with them.

00:41:02.846 --> 00:41:20.641
Like again, like the whole thing with, you know, John Walker and, you know, us agent and his wife and child leaving him, you know, they don't really talk about like they it's things are not like revealed about their personal lives or personal things that are going on unless it's like, a really like a good moment for it.

00:41:20.641 --> 00:41:32.467
think the only one we didn't really explore too much of her background or her trauma necessarily, because I mean, we got a lot of it in, you know, Ant Man 2, Ant Man and the Wasp was Ghost, you know, we you.

00:41:32.467 --> 00:41:34.177
You literally took the words right out of my mouth.

00:41:34.177 --> 00:41:39.753
Like if there's one character that I think didn't everybody gets a moment in this movie, except for, think, ghost.

00:41:39.753 --> 00:41:41.085
She's the only one that doesn't.

00:41:41.085 --> 00:41:46.599
And let me pitch you something here real quick, Aaron, because I don't really like ghosts as sort of point in this movie.

00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.681
Like she obviously has like a reason to be in this movie.

00:41:48.681 --> 00:41:52.753
She does a lot of important things throughout it, like getting them out of the vault, for instance.

00:41:53.295 --> 00:41:55.277
Yeah, that's about it.

00:41:55.277 --> 00:41:55.797
Yeah.

00:41:55.797 --> 00:41:56.677
Yeah.

00:41:56.878 --> 00:41:58.539
Well, she also like drives.

00:41:58.539 --> 00:41:59.519
She gets the truck.

00:41:59.519 --> 00:41:59.869
Right.

00:41:59.869 --> 00:42:00.581
That's true.

00:42:00.581 --> 00:42:01.521
Yeah.

00:42:02.188 --> 00:42:05.423
But you know, you know who I would have really loved in this movie?

00:42:05.423 --> 00:42:06.757
This is a crazy thing, everybody.

00:42:06.757 --> 00:42:07.829
But hear me out.

00:42:07.829 --> 00:42:13.108
I really wish they would have substituted Ghost for Star-Lord.

00:42:13.530 --> 00:42:14.411
I feel your pain.

00:42:14.411 --> 00:42:19.659
I feel your pain as well because, I mean, it's not a competition, but I've been through a lot.

00:42:19.659 --> 00:42:23.304
My father killed my mother, and then I had to kill my father.

00:42:23.304 --> 00:42:24.465
That was hard.

00:42:24.465 --> 00:42:27.088
Probably even harder than having to kill a sister.

00:42:27.510 --> 00:42:30.652
Plus, I came out with both my eyes.

00:42:30.893 --> 00:42:33.155
Because talk about trauma, that dude has been through it.

00:42:33.155 --> 00:42:34.574
He has watched his mom die.

00:42:34.574 --> 00:42:36.034
He's had to kill his dad.

00:42:36.034 --> 00:42:36.615
He had to.

00:42:36.615 --> 00:42:40.777
He had he watched his girlfriend die like he's done all the things.

00:42:40.777 --> 00:42:49.599
So I just think he and him being like he is the ultimate sort of poster child of this thing we're talking about where they quipped their way through trauma and through like pain.

00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.460
That's what that's all he does is joke around.

00:42:51.460 --> 00:42:52.559
He's a man child.

00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.322
Like he's the reason why Thanos ended up succeeding in Infinity War because he couldn't hold his temper back.

00:42:57.322 --> 00:42:59.402
So like I just think he would have been a really.

00:42:59.414 --> 00:43:17.829
Interesting fun inclusion here and he would have done something slightly different from everybody else Like Ghost is really not that much different from like Taskmaster and Yelena and even Winter Soldier They all kind of like shoot and punch that's I mean she phases and you know Winter Soldier has his arm and like they all have small things but like Star-Lord He's a guardian of the galaxy.

00:43:17.829 --> 00:43:24.951
He's a fucking he's a celestial apart celestial at least but he's also human he's He was he was a heart.

00:43:24.951 --> 00:43:26.681
He was the he was the Star-Lord.

00:43:26.681 --> 00:43:30.893
He was like You know, he's reformed, of course, but like, he's not a good dude.

00:43:30.893 --> 00:43:33.139
oh on Earth.

00:43:33.139 --> 00:43:37.362
So he has no reason to be indebted to somebody for whatever.

00:43:38.143 --> 00:43:41.788
But let's let's get into some some interesting tidbits here.

00:43:41.788 --> 00:43:44.365
One particularly uh tell me about Ox.

00:43:44.365 --> 00:43:47.746
Yeah, the mysterious Ox group throughout this movie.

00:43:47.746 --> 00:43:48.246
Yeah.

00:43:48.246 --> 00:44:01.826
First appearing in 2023's Thunderbolts, number one again written by our good friends of the show, Colin Kelly and Jackson Lansing, a relatively new group in the comics was a company technically founded by Valentina's life model decoy in that comic.

00:44:02.666 --> 00:44:09.025
you know, speaking of prior to that vault break in, we have Yelena visits Alexia, his home.

00:44:09.025 --> 00:44:11.096
The Red Guardian is watching old footage.

00:44:11.096 --> 00:44:26.134
from a Soviet Union parade where he's shown standing next to Stalin, which again, sort of, you know, who might be we'll talk about during the cast, but I think maybe both of our favorite people in this movie or favorite person in this movie is probably Red Guardian.

00:44:26.875 --> 00:44:29.775
And yet he is standing next to a fucking dictator at one point in this movie.

00:44:29.775 --> 00:44:40.541
uh Ghost is referred to as a shield reject, referring to her past that she worked as a covert agent for shield again, first mentioned in 2018's Eight Man and the Wasp, which you talked about earlier.

00:44:40.989 --> 00:44:43.271
Let's talk about the director here Jack Schaeffer.

00:44:43.271 --> 00:44:46.974
He directed paper towns in 2015 Shout out.

00:44:46.974 --> 00:44:57.375
That's a that's a great movie and it was authored by John Green who's here from here in Indianapolis And then also he was the creator and showrunner and also directed all six episodes of beef over on Netflix.

00:44:57.375 --> 00:44:58.625
Did you ever watch that?

00:44:59.567 --> 00:45:00.726
It's excellent.

00:45:00.987 --> 00:45:11.865
It's basically it's about Stephen Yuen and Ali Wong and they just get in this like weird stupid fight in a parking lot and they just end up going at each other.

00:45:11.865 --> 00:45:14.436
It's like a road rage incident and they just end up.

00:45:14.436 --> 00:45:15.367
It just escalates.

00:45:15.367 --> 00:45:22.170
It just keeps escalating, escalating throughout each episode where they're like almost about to murder each other and like threatening each other's family.

00:45:22.170 --> 00:45:24.940
It's like this weird, stupid fight, but it's so interesting.

00:45:24.940 --> 00:45:29.422
And like the way that they maneuver through each other's lives, it's really good.

00:45:29.422 --> 00:45:30.722
I highly recommend it.

00:45:31.244 --> 00:45:32.244
Yeah, it's great.

00:45:32.244 --> 00:45:37.056
Also speaking of which, Steven, you and which we'll talk about here in just a bit, but I just think it's an interesting spot to say this.

00:45:37.153 --> 00:45:38.717
He was supposed to play century in this movie.

00:45:38.717 --> 00:45:46.740
was like widely rumored and then almost confirmed at one point that he was supposed to play century in this movie, but had to back out because of scheduling conflict.

00:45:46.740 --> 00:45:49.596
So we ended up getting Lewis Pullman last minute, which is great.

00:45:49.596 --> 00:45:50.697
I think he's getting this movie.

00:45:50.697 --> 00:45:51.358
So.

00:45:51.438 --> 00:45:55.117
Well, the budget for this film, 180 million.

00:45:55.117 --> 00:45:57.358
Yeah, a little bit below the normal, right?

00:45:57.358 --> 00:46:00.657
These MCU films generally sit around around 200.

00:46:01.257 --> 00:46:01.478
Yeah.

00:46:01.478 --> 00:46:02.858
And I think it looks good.

00:46:02.858 --> 00:46:09.577
Like talk about a movie that is so wildly better looking than Captain America, Brave New World.

00:46:09.577 --> 00:46:13.070
Like, can we, I know you liked Captain America, Brave New World, but like, can you agree?

00:46:13.070 --> 00:46:14.059
They're like, you're right.

00:46:14.059 --> 00:46:21.449
Yeah, it looked it looked really good from from the century in his costume to like the scenes where he's just flying.

00:46:21.449 --> 00:46:28.226
Even the scenes where he's just this when he is the void and he's just like like this floating black mass.

00:46:28.226 --> 00:46:31.623
It's almost like a nega bob, you know?

00:46:31.623 --> 00:46:37.677
You know, that sort of figure of the void could have very easily looked cheesy and bad.

00:46:37.677 --> 00:46:38.960
Exactly, exactly.

00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.005
But they made it look ominous and scary as fuck.

00:46:42.005 --> 00:46:42.425
Right.

00:46:42.425 --> 00:46:43.967
Not even just the CGI moments.

00:46:43.967 --> 00:46:49.351
I think there is sort of like a cartoony looking group shot where they're all trying to fight century.

00:46:49.351 --> 00:46:53.394
Like when they're all jumping at century, they all they look a little cartoony in that moment.

00:46:53.394 --> 00:47:02.134
But I think overall, the CGI looks great, but also just like the lighting of the movie and like the way the shots are set up and like all of that is just wildly better.

00:47:02.134 --> 00:47:05.766
I'm just like, know a lot of people are gonna be like, why didn't he just fucking like decimate them?

00:47:05.766 --> 00:47:10.679
But like you could tell there's a little bit of, of, know, he even explains it like he doesn't want to necessarily kill them, right?

00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:24.891
Like he doesn't need to kill them because they're not bad people, you know, which I think is amazing because like, God damn, like he just, he kicks the shit out of them in that fight scene in, in, in Avengers, formerly known as Avengers tower.

00:47:24.891 --> 00:47:28.452
Uh, now the watch tower.

00:47:28.994 --> 00:47:33.266
mean, I mean, is he just like far and away the strongest MCU character now?

00:47:33.311 --> 00:47:44.898
It seems like he is literally the like like a god oh maybe like like maybe Icarus who I think flew into the sun at the end of eternal's but point being is that like maybe he stands up to this.

00:47:44.898 --> 00:47:49.123
I don't even think Thor is is like unpenetrable is what century is that currently.

00:47:49.123 --> 00:47:52.878
There's also like that weird uh shape shifting character from Secret Invasion.

00:47:52.878 --> 00:47:55.771
But I think we're just looking the other direction currently.

00:47:56.751 --> 00:47:57.632
We look over there.

00:47:57.632 --> 00:47:58.561
Don't look over there.

00:47:58.561 --> 00:48:00.322
Don't sit with us at lunch.

00:48:01.304 --> 00:48:02.606
Let's talk about the box office.

00:48:02.606 --> 00:48:16.146
We talked about the budget being 180 million dollars Thunderbolts was initially projected to earn around somewhere between 70 million to 75 million in its opening weekend, which would place it between Shang-Chi and the Eternals, speaking of which.

00:48:16.565 --> 00:48:21.425
So, you know, middling opening weekend, I think it would have been really, really.

00:48:21.425 --> 00:48:24.045
I mean, again, we're recording this on May 2nd.

00:48:24.045 --> 00:48:27.005
So Friday hasn't even hit really the box office weekend yet.

00:48:27.005 --> 00:48:28.646
But I think if this movie makes.

00:48:28.672 --> 00:48:37.184
Anywhere between 70, 80 million, 80 million that will be considered a win for Marvel, especially with centers still currently in theaters, especially with Minecraft still in theaters.

00:48:37.706 --> 00:48:42.608
At the time of this recording, it has earned approximately eleven point five million from Thursday night.

00:48:42.608 --> 00:48:44.969
That's preview night for here in the U.S.

00:48:44.969 --> 00:48:49.740
This figure is slightly below the 12 million earned by Captain America Brave New World during its Thursday preview.

00:48:49.740 --> 00:48:52.391
So that's sort of I mean, that's expected.

00:48:52.391 --> 00:48:58.465
Like there is no world where Thunderbolts should outperform a Captain America movie.

00:48:58.465 --> 00:48:59.726
That should never happen.

00:48:59.726 --> 00:49:08.795
oh Even if Captain America was, in my opinion, not anywhere near as good as this, but you know, just like on the projection side of it, Captain America should always do better.

00:49:08.795 --> 00:49:11.177
So let's get into the cast here.

00:49:11.213 --> 00:49:11.534
All right.

00:49:11.534 --> 00:49:12.675
You got Florence Pugh.

00:49:12.675 --> 00:49:16.777
uh As Yelena Belova or Black Widow.

00:49:16.778 --> 00:49:20.422
Sebastian Stan James Bucky Barnes, Winter Soldier.

00:49:20.422 --> 00:49:23.704
David Harbour as Alexei Shostakov.

00:49:23.704 --> 00:49:24.344
Shostakov.

00:49:24.344 --> 00:49:25.365
Red Guardian.

00:49:25.365 --> 00:49:29.168
uh Wyatt Russell as John Walker, US agent.

00:49:29.228 --> 00:49:32.952
Hannah John Kamen as Ava Starr or Ghost.

00:49:33.472 --> 00:49:37.436
Who gives a shit about Olga Kurylenko as Antonia.

00:49:37.436 --> 00:49:39.157
She got Antonia.

00:49:39.746 --> 00:49:41.157
Drakov taskmaster.

00:49:41.157 --> 00:49:43.791
I wanted her to be in this more.

00:49:44.226 --> 00:49:46.036
So sad.

00:49:46.458 --> 00:49:46.858
my God.

00:49:46.858 --> 00:49:52.307
And I'm just remembering now that that picture of US agent writing his tacos shield.

00:49:52.307 --> 00:49:57.442
uh We're going to talk about that in credit scene because I have questions.

00:49:58.121 --> 00:50:06.027
you got Louis Pullman as Robert Bob Reynolds, century Earth's mightiest hero, a power of 1000 sons, golden guardian of good.

00:50:06.298 --> 00:50:15.235
Julia, Julia, Dreyfus is Valentina Allegra, Dave Fontaine, not the secretary of fence, the secretary of defense.

00:50:16.177 --> 00:50:23.063
Geraldine, Geraldine, this one-a-thon as Mel, I liked Mel as the secretary.

00:50:23.063 --> 00:50:24.023
did a great job.

00:50:24.023 --> 00:50:27.346
Um, kind of becoming a Bucky's.

00:50:27.373 --> 00:50:29.038
uh You know informant.

00:50:29.038 --> 00:50:31.693
Yeah in the mix, so I really liked her character.

00:50:31.693 --> 00:51:09.574
Yeah Florence few actually jumped off the and forgive me here everybody the Merck DACA 118 in the Kuala Lumpur Malaysia in the opening scene, which is the second tallest building in the world at 2227 feet tall No CGI or stunt double there and she's pulling the Tom Cruise and just doing doing her own stunts willy-nilly She apparently had to beg Schaefer in order to do that herself Like he really really needed her to do a stunt use a stunt double and she's like no I want to do it myself So Hannah John Cayman and Wyatt Russell previously worked together on the Black Mirror episode play test from season three.

00:51:09.574 --> 00:51:10.699
Have you seen that one?

00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:12.112
Black Mirror fan.

00:51:12.112 --> 00:51:12.552
I am.

00:51:12.552 --> 00:51:13.579
I love Black Mirror.

00:51:13.579 --> 00:51:14.346
You may have.

00:51:14.346 --> 00:51:14.786
that one.

00:51:14.786 --> 00:51:18.346
It's from back in like 2013, if I'm not mistaken.

00:51:18.346 --> 00:51:21.826
It's the one where they put the video game in 2016.

00:51:21.826 --> 00:51:24.065
They put the video game in Wyatt Russell's head.

00:51:24.065 --> 00:51:25.465
Remember that one?

00:51:26.065 --> 00:51:27.146
It's it's really good.

00:51:27.146 --> 00:51:35.653
It's basically he like playtests an augmented reality game in London and it and like it's a horror game and it like starts to weave itself into his real life.

00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:36.862
my God, I need to read.

00:51:36.862 --> 00:51:41.123
need to watch this because I don't, it's like, it's escaping me and I know I've probably seen it.

00:51:41.123 --> 00:51:41.643
So.

00:51:41.643 --> 00:51:42.023
It's great.

00:51:42.023 --> 00:51:46.146
And I think it was really, it might've been why it Russell sort of, you know, jump onto the scene.

00:51:46.146 --> 00:51:51.760
Like people finally stopped being like, uh, you know, why Russell's only here because his dad is, is Kurt Russell.

00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:55.032
They actually like saw his potential here with that, with that episode.

00:51:55.032 --> 00:52:05.389
So Mel is shown wearing a bird necklace supporting the popular fan theory that she's the MCU's Melissa Gold, aka Songbird, an original Thunderbolt in the comics, which would be really cool.

00:52:05.389 --> 00:52:07.293
Aaron, what do know about Songbird?

00:52:07.293 --> 00:52:09.670
I know nothing about song.

00:52:09.750 --> 00:52:10.369
That's okay.

00:52:10.369 --> 00:52:29.556
Honestly, I songbird is I mean this respectfully to all the diehard songbird fans out there, but she's sort of a barely see list character uh She sort of ebbs and flows between good and bad But she basically has the powers to like deploy sound based Like who's the X-Men that can like yell and it creates like sound like shriek.

00:52:29.556 --> 00:52:36.697
Yeah, basically that it's just that basically It's like black canary knockoff from Marvel Gotta love those.

00:52:36.697 --> 00:52:37.077
Yep.

00:52:37.077 --> 00:52:38.597
Pastachios as you'd call them.

00:52:38.597 --> 00:52:38.617
Yeah.

00:52:38.617 --> 00:52:50.797
We already talked about this but Steven Ewan was originally cast as Robert Reynolds Sentry but after filming was delayed due to the SAG after strikes in 2023 that's when he dropped out due to scheduling conflicts.

00:52:50.978 --> 00:52:59.521
of last minute replacements Geraldine Viswanathan replaced Io Edibiri after she left due to scheduling conflicts as well.

00:52:59.521 --> 00:53:01.902
Yeah, you like the bear, right?

00:53:02.023 --> 00:53:02.403
Yeah.

00:53:02.403 --> 00:53:03.233
Yeah.

00:53:03.233 --> 00:53:05.244
She's the she's from the bear.

00:53:05.505 --> 00:53:06.965
I think it's the.

00:53:07.827 --> 00:53:10.507
Yeah, yeah, I really liked Geraldine in this movie.

00:53:10.507 --> 00:53:20.893
She's sort of a fun presence, sort of a nice equilibrium, someone who like will put up with Valentina's bullshit and like maybe grounds her a little bit to or at least will going forward.

00:53:20.893 --> 00:53:24.835
She had sort of a hard time doing that in this movie, but I think going forward, she'll have a little bit more pull.

00:53:24.835 --> 00:53:28.940
uh It seems like by the end of this movie, which we'll talk about here right now.

00:53:28.940 --> 00:53:30.652
Valentina is kind of up against it.

00:53:30.652 --> 00:53:34.155
Even though her plan worked, she is sort of no longer.

00:53:34.155 --> 00:53:37.038
She doesn't have that leverage that she's used to having, at least not currently.

00:53:37.038 --> 00:53:38.099
I'm sure she will at some point.

00:53:38.099 --> 00:53:39.820
That's what these characters do.

00:53:39.820 --> 00:53:44.945
So let's sort of talk about, well, where do you want to go from here?

00:53:44.945 --> 00:53:47.427
I mean, we could sort of talk about the finale.

00:53:47.427 --> 00:53:49.610
What else is there to really discuss there in the middle?

00:53:49.610 --> 00:53:54.239
I mean, I really liked the interaction when Red Guardian shows up in his limo.

00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.204
my god, that was so fucking funny.

00:53:56.204 --> 00:54:01.972
Yeah, again, it just sort of adds to our pledge of, you know, Red Guardian being a true highlight in this movie.

00:54:01.972 --> 00:54:04.157
Is he your favorite character in this movie, Red Guardian?

00:54:04.226 --> 00:54:06.786
He is absolutely my favorite character.

00:54:06.786 --> 00:54:15.842
He just has all these moments where he is the father figure for the for the he's he's like, you know, what's his name?

00:54:15.842 --> 00:54:17.373
Speed racer's dad.

00:54:17.373 --> 00:54:19.614
You know, he like runs the garage.

00:54:19.614 --> 00:54:22.456
He's like the he gives the sage advice.

00:54:22.456 --> 00:54:29.739
He is such the dad character that I love it because he's like unapologetically a cheerleader for each of these characters.

00:54:29.739 --> 00:54:30.530
No matter what.

00:54:30.530 --> 00:54:33.547
And it's so fucking wholesome.

00:54:33.547 --> 00:54:35.679
Yeah, he's like, what's super soldier serum?

00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:40.463
Did you get and Bucky's like, I don't know, like the original one.

00:54:40.463 --> 00:54:41.273
I don't know what it is.

00:54:41.273 --> 00:54:42.545
Yeah.

00:54:42.746 --> 00:54:58.038
He's like, I got I got the I got the Russian one, uh which is funny because it seems like from my count in this movie, there are three characters that get like a Captain America knockoff super soldier serum.

00:54:58.038 --> 00:55:02.173
Yeah, you got a guardian, a Bucky and US agent.

00:55:02.347 --> 00:55:08.559
Well, and so and Bob to Bob was part of this sort of recreation of the weapon expert or weapon program.

00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:09.889
Weapon X would be Wolverine.

00:55:09.889 --> 00:55:16.452
But like there are so many characters in the Marvel universe that get their powers from people just trying to fucking recreate Captain America.

00:55:16.452 --> 00:55:18.882
And like, I don't think people realize this.

00:55:18.882 --> 00:55:20.802
Captain America doesn't actually have superpowers.

00:55:20.802 --> 00:55:24.264
OK, he is as strong as the strongest human.

00:55:24.264 --> 00:55:26.764
He is as fast as the fastest human.

00:55:26.764 --> 00:55:31.755
Note the running scene in Infinity War where it's he and Black Panther running ahead of everybody else.

00:55:31.820 --> 00:55:43.521
The fact that really the only like bylaw on that is that he holds Thanos's arm for like a second in Infinity War, which I still think is a true red herring in sort of the lore of Captain America's powers.

00:55:43.521 --> 00:55:45.963
Like he's not like advanced strong.

00:55:45.963 --> 00:55:48.405
He is just like very strong.

00:55:49.655 --> 00:55:53.829
I mean, but they also like in this scene with, know, Wyatt Russell, right?

00:55:53.829 --> 00:55:56.422
was, was the US agent that holds that, that wall up.

00:55:56.422 --> 00:56:02.135
um You know, and that didn't really seem like somebody with normal human shrink could probably do that.

00:56:02.135 --> 00:56:11.630
I also didn't love when a agent tries to jump out of the hole and he does this like cartoonish giant leap up into the hole and then crashes down.

00:56:11.925 --> 00:56:12.791
I don't know.

00:56:12.791 --> 00:56:18.264
There's just something optically weird about seeing a relatively normal looking man jump that high.

00:56:18.264 --> 00:56:18.842
I don't know.

00:56:18.842 --> 00:56:21.733
Like I just feel like I don't even think like Captain America could do that.

00:56:21.996 --> 00:56:43.347
think that in these moments though, don't think that like any of it really, like this movie was making you look at and think about so many other things than just like thinking about them and their powers, which I think is probably a very positive thing to say about this film because you're not thinking about them as superheroes.

00:56:43.347 --> 00:56:47.070
You're not thinking about them as their powers.

00:56:47.070 --> 00:56:51.802
You're looking at them in their struggles and in their And they're false.

00:56:51.802 --> 00:56:54.954
So I think that this is something that that movie did very well.

00:56:54.954 --> 00:56:56.043
I think that's an excellent point.

00:56:56.043 --> 00:56:58.114
think that like, yeah, you're you're so right.

00:56:58.114 --> 00:57:03.615
This movie is definitely showcasing where these people are in their lives currently and in this universe.

00:57:03.615 --> 00:57:07.967
And like the superheroing definitely takes a bit of a backseat in certain instances.

00:57:07.967 --> 00:57:12.478
But that's not to say that when they do do a punch and a kick, it's not excellent.

00:57:12.478 --> 00:57:17.320
Like, again, as I said earlier, the fight scenes, the choreography of everything, it looks great.

00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:21.161
Like there was maybe one scene.

00:57:21.173 --> 00:57:32.307
I think Yelena's hallway scene at the beginning was a a little rough and then they sort of picked it like when she first walks in the room, she does like a preplanned move and a dodge and that looked kind of bad.

00:57:32.307 --> 00:57:38.090
But then like as the camera starts to pan over top and has like an aerial view of the fight, I think it looks pretty great.

00:57:38.090 --> 00:57:41.221
So ah let's move on here uh again.

00:57:41.221 --> 00:57:47.311
Going into the third act, we've got the void out doing a doing a shadow over New York.

00:57:47.311 --> 00:57:54.333
The only the only thing I can think this entire time is where the fuck is Spider-Man?

00:57:54.561 --> 00:57:57.623
Where the fuck is Daredevil Punisher?

00:57:57.623 --> 00:57:59.585
Where are all these New York based heroes?

00:57:59.585 --> 00:58:06.835
Because like I can sort of suspend belief when like they're in Ohio or upstate New York even like, of course, we're not going to be able to get there very quickly.

00:58:06.835 --> 00:58:08.771
But like we're in Manhattan.

00:58:08.771 --> 00:58:13.922
We're like we're like on 39th Street in Hell's Kitchen during this during these scenes.

00:58:13.922 --> 00:58:14.833
We I mean, who knows?

00:58:14.833 --> 00:58:18.157
Maybe we'll get an answer because maybe they're on Battle World.

00:58:18.157 --> 00:58:20.958
Maybe like brand new brand new day is the new Spider-Man movie coming.

00:58:20.958 --> 00:58:26.478
Maybe like in that at some point he like sees the shadow overtake the I don't know.

00:58:26.478 --> 00:58:27.057
We'll see.

00:58:27.057 --> 00:58:31.757
I guess I'm going to bet you a silver nickel that they don't approach it and talk about it at all in that movie.

00:58:31.757 --> 00:58:39.918
But I will tell you what we will talk about, Aaron, is the new Avengers, which is what we basically by the end of film, everybody gets a hug.

00:58:39.918 --> 00:58:41.577
Trauma no longer exists.

00:58:41.577 --> 00:58:41.797
Right.

00:58:41.797 --> 00:58:43.378
It's gone forever.

00:58:46.077 --> 00:58:46.829
Q.

00:58:46.829 --> 00:58:51.530
Ferell's because I'm happy, happy, kept along all the things.

00:58:51.730 --> 00:58:53.030
Valentina is scrambling.

00:58:53.030 --> 00:59:00.829
They're all like, we need to go punch this 50 year old woman and she escapes through a drape and they all like, OK, come here.

00:59:00.829 --> 00:59:02.610
We're going to punch you, Valentina.

00:59:02.610 --> 00:59:04.849
And oh, hey, look, we're at a press conference.

00:59:04.849 --> 00:59:11.610
You know, we're at a Trump style press conference where the media is all like, oh, my God, Valentina, way to go.

00:59:11.610 --> 00:59:12.670
You saved the city.

00:59:12.670 --> 00:59:16.896
And she goes, everybody, look, it's the new Avengers.

00:59:16.896 --> 00:59:18.501
Aaron, were your thoughts in that moment?

00:59:18.751 --> 00:59:26.237
I was like, well, we all knew that we all kind of knew that like that's you didn't need the asterisk.

00:59:26.744 --> 00:59:28.077
Did you like the execution though?

00:59:28.077 --> 00:59:33.416
Because I felt myself being slightly tickled by the way they announced that this was like the Avengers team.

00:59:33.449 --> 00:59:33.920
I did.

00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:35.090
Yeah, I did enjoy it.

00:59:35.090 --> 00:59:41.333
It was like a fun way to just kind of like shoehorn it into the film.

00:59:41.333 --> 00:59:43.434
Again, you don't really know when it's going to happen.

00:59:43.434 --> 00:59:52.099
So during this film, you're kind of distracted by everything that's going on, the faults, the fights, the issues, the errors, the mistakes, blah, blah.

00:59:52.099 --> 00:59:54.829
And then all of sudden, bam, you get this press conference.

00:59:54.829 --> 00:59:55.809
Like, okay.

00:59:55.809 --> 00:59:57.641
That was pretty smart and smooth.

00:59:57.641 --> 00:59:59.081
Good job, Valentina.

00:59:59.777 --> 01:00:11.862
I want to go back very, very briefly before we get into like the New Avengers of it all, because the two funniest parts of this movie, I I wanted to ask you about this because one of them deals with the the sort of traversing of trauma in the void.

01:00:12.083 --> 01:00:23.447
At one point, they're all being attacked by the chicken that, oh, God, is he's the the sign twirling chicken and Red Guardian's like, why did you punch me?

01:00:23.447 --> 01:00:27.786
And Bob, like quick pans over to Bob and Bob's like, I was on meth.

01:00:27.786 --> 01:00:28.670
Yeah.

01:00:29.586 --> 01:00:30.536
So that was great.

01:00:30.536 --> 01:00:40.233
And then towards the beginning of the movie in the vault, when I forget who, it's, Bob versus uh John Walker.

01:00:40.454 --> 01:00:44.586
Yelena is trying to get them to split up and she's like, all right, put your two dick showing.

01:00:44.586 --> 01:00:46.438
What's the dick showing joke that she says?

01:00:46.438 --> 01:00:51.740
She's like, let's, let's stop the dick showing contest and get over measuring something like that.

01:00:51.740 --> 01:00:53.382
That made me chuckle.

01:00:53.422 --> 01:00:58.635
And then whenever Yelena's having her breakdown there, when they get their ass beat by century.

01:00:58.635 --> 01:01:01.206
And she's like going around and telling everyone how much they suck.

01:01:01.487 --> 01:01:04.048
She gets a John Walker and John's like, it's my turn now.

01:01:04.048 --> 01:01:08.851
uh Like it's just the comedy really works for me.

01:01:08.851 --> 01:01:11.532
This movie, I think it like the quips are quipping, I think.

01:01:11.532 --> 01:01:13.101
And I'm really happy about that.

01:01:13.101 --> 01:01:19.961
Yeah, I mean, it just goes to show like this is a movie where like nobody's holding back the shit that they're talking about each other because that's what you get in this.

01:01:19.961 --> 01:01:24.802
Then this Thunderbolt slash New Avengers team where the other one it's like, oh, you're the Hulk.

01:01:24.802 --> 01:01:25.722
You're Thor.

01:01:25.722 --> 01:01:26.702
Oh, you're a God.

01:01:26.702 --> 01:01:27.101
Wow.

01:01:27.101 --> 01:01:30.382
But these guys are like, you're an asshole.

01:01:30.722 --> 01:01:33.782
You're just a bunch of a bunch of assholes like I don't like you guys.

01:01:33.782 --> 01:01:42.405
And, you know, I really liked again, there was the we see it in like the trailer, but it's, you know, like Red Guardians talking to.

01:01:42.614 --> 01:01:44.356
Yelena and he's like, believe in you.

01:01:44.356 --> 01:01:46.248
She goes, okay, that's what's really good.

01:01:46.248 --> 01:01:47.429
And I'm like, that's cute.

01:01:47.429 --> 01:01:50.934
Like again, just he gives off total like daddy vibe.

01:01:50.934 --> 01:01:52.414
He's the total heart of this.

01:01:52.414 --> 01:01:57.715
mean, like you could make an argument that like it's either Yelena or maybe Bucky as the leader of the team.

01:01:57.715 --> 01:01:59.757
But like Red Guardian is the heart.

01:01:59.757 --> 01:02:03.507
And yeah, he says in that moment, he's like, when I look at you, I don't see your mistakes.

01:02:03.507 --> 01:02:05.697
I see I see you for the good.

01:02:05.757 --> 01:02:08.639
And, know, that's that's that's how we should see people.

01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.139
We should stop looking at people, you know, by their worst elements.

01:02:12.139 --> 01:02:15.201
Let me ask you one more question before we get into the New Avengers.

01:02:15.900 --> 01:02:18.615
What was sort of your read on Bucky in this movie like?

01:02:18.615 --> 01:02:19.898
How did you feel about his role?

01:02:19.898 --> 01:02:25.393
Because I found myself not this is not my favorite Bucky role in the MCU.

01:02:25.538 --> 01:02:31.802
So it's slightly annoying to see him trying to be this election elected official.

01:02:33.503 --> 01:02:35.224
He's a congressman.

01:02:35.224 --> 01:02:37.090
He obviously doesn't know what he's doing.

01:02:37.090 --> 01:02:40.478
presenting your section of the New York.

01:02:40.976 --> 01:02:46.505
I was like, I don't know why like why would who would elect this guy like first off like who ran the campaign?

01:02:46.505 --> 01:02:47.496
How did he get elected?

01:02:47.496 --> 01:02:52.217
Like this is crazy ah I mean, it's definitely not the weirdest person to be elected.

01:02:52.217 --> 01:02:54.579
Like it's definitely like, yes, I agree.

01:02:54.579 --> 01:03:03.797
We should not elect a former Russian spy super soldier into the office, but we currently have a reality star dipshit as our president.

01:03:03.797 --> 01:03:09.923
I mean, hey, and also we just like a red Hulk just destroyed Washington, DC four months ago in this universe.

01:03:09.923 --> 01:03:10.623
So.

01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:13.231
Yeah, I mean, and we got an orange one wrecking it now.

01:03:13.231 --> 01:03:17.123
ah So sorry.

01:03:17.123 --> 01:03:19.733
I normally don't get involved, but I couldn't help.

01:03:20.875 --> 01:03:22.114
I won't.

01:03:23.070 --> 01:03:24.635
I should have Harrison Ford was orange.

01:03:24.635 --> 01:03:25.657
Right.

01:03:25.657 --> 01:03:28.197
So it's a giant angry.

01:03:28.197 --> 01:03:30.418
ah Yeah.

01:03:30.418 --> 01:03:36.391
So it's like, I forgot my whole point, but Bucky did not need to be an elected official.

01:03:36.391 --> 01:03:37.867
It didn't really fit him.

01:03:37.867 --> 01:03:40.443
You could tell that he was just itching to get back in the action.

01:03:40.443 --> 01:03:50.291
So good for him for hopefully, you know, resigning and being now at, at the watch tower, you know, Just like, he keep his contribution?

01:03:50.291 --> 01:03:53.353
Like all the campaign funds that he occurred?

01:03:53.353 --> 01:03:55.775
What was his running topic?

01:03:55.775 --> 01:03:56.876
Like what did he run on?

01:03:56.876 --> 01:03:58.547
What did Bucky run on, I wonder?

01:03:58.561 --> 01:03:59.664
Justice.

01:04:00.447 --> 01:04:01.161
don't know.

01:04:01.161 --> 01:04:02.411
I don't know.

01:04:02.815 --> 01:04:03.938
history back in the schools.

01:04:03.938 --> 01:04:06.271
Yeah All right, let's talk about the new Avengers.

01:04:06.271 --> 01:04:07.554
So Aaron, go ahead.

01:04:07.554 --> 01:04:09.215
saving her own neck at the end of the film.

01:04:09.215 --> 01:04:11.326
know, obviously Valentina is in the press conference.

01:04:11.326 --> 01:04:19.719
She declares the Dunderbolts to be the new uh Avengers explaining that the title's asterisk was also making the group another classic comics team entirely.

01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:32.684
uh Although this was originally used in Brian Michael Bendis and Mike Deodato's 2009 Dark Avengers run, the team is then on full display for the world appearing before the public as the new Avengers.

01:04:32.684 --> 01:04:38.175
uh Alan Silvestri's classic Avengers theme can be heard as the movie cuts to the credits.

01:04:38.815 --> 01:04:47.114
Aaron, have you ever been interested in that Brian Michael Bendis, good friend of the show, by the way, uh Brian Michael Bendis, Mike D'Addato's Dark Avengers run.

01:04:47.489 --> 01:04:53.514
I'm curious about it because now obviously I want to know who some of these characters are, maybe go a little bit in depth.

01:04:53.514 --> 01:04:57.356
I see this picture that you've included in our show notes.

01:04:57.677 --> 01:05:00.498
And I see, you know, we got Red Guardian.

01:05:00.498 --> 01:05:01.978
I'm assuming that's...

01:05:02.179 --> 01:05:03.905
I'm sorry, not Red Guardian, but Century.

01:05:03.905 --> 01:05:05.311
We got Century, but I'm not sure who's...

01:05:05.311 --> 01:05:07.333
Maybe that's Star Fox?

01:05:07.333 --> 01:05:09.614
Who is that to the left of Century?

01:05:09.614 --> 01:05:12.994
He's in a green and white and gold outfit.

01:05:12.994 --> 01:05:14.554
So basically, here's the team.

01:05:14.554 --> 01:05:20.117
OK, so in the middle, you have Iron Patriot, which you're never going to guess who's in that Iron Man suit.

01:05:20.856 --> 01:05:21.757
Norman Osborn.

01:05:21.757 --> 01:05:22.177
That's right.

01:05:22.177 --> 01:05:29.300
This is the time in the Marvel universe where the Green Goblin has like somehow it's like one of the many times that he's been like corrected internally.

01:05:29.300 --> 01:05:32.251
But then this is around the time where he's like, is he cured?

01:05:32.251 --> 01:05:34.822
Like, is he actually a good guy because he's in charge of shield?

01:05:34.822 --> 01:05:36.713
That's how he gets to form this Avengers team.

01:05:36.713 --> 01:05:38.523
This is after Civil War in the comics.

01:05:38.523 --> 01:05:42.925
Spider-Man is actually Matt Gargan, who is Venom at this point in the story.

01:05:42.925 --> 01:05:51.331
uh Matt Gargan, people may know he's actually Scorpion generally, but for some reason he had the venom symbiote at this point in the story.

01:05:51.331 --> 01:05:55.315
Yeah, you've Hawkeye who was actually Bullseye who we just recently saw in Daredevil.

01:05:55.315 --> 01:06:00.378
Oh, so they made him Hawkeye in this and they gave him the classic suit, which is funny.

01:06:00.378 --> 01:06:04.001
You've got Miss Marvel, AKA Carla Safran.

01:06:04.001 --> 01:06:06.954
She's actually Moonstone in the comics.

01:06:06.954 --> 01:06:09.125
she Moonstone.

01:06:10.110 --> 01:06:11.110
describe Moonstone.

01:06:11.110 --> 01:06:11.831
Not really important.

01:06:11.831 --> 01:06:16.012
She, she is essentially just like playing the Carol Danvers role in this, in this story.

01:06:18.813 --> 01:06:21.782
no, um, she's just like kind of an evil captain Marvel.

01:06:21.782 --> 01:06:22.713
That's the easiest way to put it.

01:06:22.713 --> 01:06:26.795
She's just got like generic space powers, right?

01:06:26.795 --> 01:06:32.137
Uh, you've got, Wolverine in this is, and it looks like Wolverine.

01:06:32.137 --> 01:06:33.797
It's actually his son.

01:06:34.237 --> 01:06:34.766
Dragon.

01:06:34.766 --> 01:06:35.297
Yep.

01:06:35.297 --> 01:06:35.938
Or Deakin.

01:06:35.938 --> 01:06:47.925
think it's actually, think You have and then to your to the left there as you were talking about there of century is No var who is uh Captain Marvel in the comics.

01:06:47.925 --> 01:07:06.336
He is a Marvel boy Grant Morrison wrote a really excellent Marvel Knight story about him but he's sort of all over the place in terms of his morals and such and then you have Ares who is essentially playing the Thor character on this team Who as we know Ares we actually saw Ares at the end of Thor love and thunder.

01:07:06.336 --> 01:07:08.949
He is the son of Zeus.

01:07:08.949 --> 01:07:12.090
He's a real dickhead, too, by the way, just out of nowhere.

01:07:12.150 --> 01:07:14.730
But OK, we're going to talk about the end credit scene.

01:07:14.730 --> 01:07:16.289
But I want to ask you really quick.

01:07:16.530 --> 01:07:19.010
We talked we sort of touched on this a little bit.

01:07:19.010 --> 01:07:20.510
The end credits.

01:07:20.650 --> 01:07:22.409
Did those look a idea?

01:07:23.010 --> 01:07:25.353
I didn't notice anything AI-ish about them.

01:07:25.353 --> 01:07:27.094
I mean, I couldn't say I didn't.

01:07:27.094 --> 01:07:30.228
I liked the art on them, but I couldn't say if they were AI or not.

01:07:30.414 --> 01:07:32.693
Yeah, that's kind of the bummer is that like I like them.

01:07:32.693 --> 01:07:40.054
I like what they were doing in terms of like recreating classic American homages throughout history and such and magazine covers and such.

01:07:40.054 --> 01:07:45.414
You got like John Walker on the on the boat with everybody going across the Mayflower and all that.

01:07:45.414 --> 01:07:45.934
Yeah.

01:07:45.934 --> 01:07:47.474
Or the Hudson River, excuse me.

01:07:47.474 --> 01:07:54.653
But like they have that weird texture where it almost looks like kind of feathery that emulates A.I.

01:07:54.653 --> 01:07:55.373
generated art.

01:07:55.373 --> 01:07:56.914
That's why I was wondering.

01:07:56.914 --> 01:07:57.594
I don't even know.

01:07:57.594 --> 01:07:58.534
There's no way of knowing.

01:07:58.534 --> 01:07:59.954
And maybe it'll come out later.

01:08:00.088 --> 01:08:03.581
But like, I think we just really need to police this shit.

01:08:03.581 --> 01:08:04.702
We need to be on top of this.

01:08:04.702 --> 01:08:07.813
We cannot let these big studios or really anyone.

01:08:07.813 --> 01:08:14.230
And it's naive to think that they're not ever going to use AI, but like, don't know.

01:08:14.230 --> 01:08:15.079
What are your thoughts here?

01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:18.832
You know, like I hate being hyper vigilant about this stuff because it's annoying.

01:08:18.832 --> 01:08:24.006
I'm sure for some people who don't care about this, but I just know that there's someone out there that could have made this and made it better.

01:08:24.109 --> 01:08:32.715
I until we find out if they were or they weren't AI, I mean, we can just only hope that they did the right thing.

01:08:32.849 --> 01:08:50.025
I would agree that, you again, as I've said before, as we said many times in the show, uh if you could easily get some no name up and coming artist who just needs to make some money, who like who can do incredible art, find them on DeviantArt, find them on something.

01:08:50.025 --> 01:08:53.417
And have them do like these credits and be like, holy shit, I get to do a credit scene.

01:08:53.417 --> 01:08:57.359
I are piece of art for Marvel, for Disney, you know, and that would be amazing.

01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:05.774
But, you know, until we get a, you know, a definitive yes or no, we can't really like, I, to me, I didn't, I didn't see that generally.

01:09:05.774 --> 01:09:09.287
I'm not like so struggling to see if it's AI or not.

01:09:09.287 --> 01:09:11.778
It's pretty, pretty substantial when you first look at it.

01:09:11.778 --> 01:09:14.380
And to me, I didn't, I didn't think about that when I saw them.

01:09:14.380 --> 01:09:16.881
So I would say, I don't think they were.

01:09:17.582 --> 01:09:20.021
It almost like it struck me today, too.

01:09:20.021 --> 01:09:24.742
I don't know if you saw Fantastic Four through, I think, Regal Cinemas or maybe Cinemark.

01:09:24.742 --> 01:09:33.202
They're releasing a five pack of trading cards and the silhouettes of each Fantastic Four family member looks a little AI.

01:09:33.202 --> 01:09:34.862
I just don't I just don't trust these.

01:09:34.862 --> 01:09:37.601
I don't trust Marvel because they've already tried to do it with Secret Invasion.

01:09:37.601 --> 01:09:39.761
You know, I I just don't I don't like it.

01:09:39.761 --> 01:09:43.822
And also, like what you were saying there, there's so many people out there that could do this well.

01:09:43.822 --> 01:09:45.181
I I'm thinking of like Severance.

01:09:45.181 --> 01:09:47.681
Have you seen Severance right over on Apple TV plus?

01:09:47.936 --> 01:09:52.019
You know, Ben Stiller and those guys, they found the people who did that opening sequence.

01:09:52.019 --> 01:09:53.717
It's an iconic opening sequence now.

01:09:53.717 --> 01:09:55.600
There's only two seasons of this fucking series.

01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:58.902
And yet this opener for Severance is already like one of the best.

01:09:58.902 --> 01:10:05.085
And Ben Stiller and crew found the creator, which is his name's extra wag or Oliver Latta.

01:10:05.085 --> 01:10:06.545
They found him on Twitter.

01:10:06.545 --> 01:10:20.100
Like he just like was posting on Twitter and they're like, Hey, do you want to do the intro to our Apple TV plus series that is now maybe the best TV show currently like That can happen pretty easily, I think.

01:10:20.100 --> 01:10:22.962
So ah let's move on to the end credits.

01:10:22.962 --> 01:10:28.207
Aaron, you teased this before we actually, before I was able to see it again, you saw it many weeks before me.

01:10:28.207 --> 01:10:32.853
You were teasing that like these end credit scenes are pretty great, specifically the post credit scene.

01:10:32.853 --> 01:10:34.944
Go ahead and talk about these end credit scenes.

01:10:35.394 --> 01:10:41.865
Well, the first one is the mid credit scene, is a red guardian at the, the grocery store.

01:10:41.865 --> 01:10:45.087
Uh, just looking pretty slick, looking pretty dashing.

01:10:45.087 --> 01:10:49.677
And he's trying to get this lady to be impressed by the fact that there, that she can't tell.

01:10:49.677 --> 01:10:53.909
She doesn't care that he is on the Wheaties box with the new Avengers.

01:10:53.909 --> 01:10:58.480
And so it's funny to see him like, it's me, you know, I'm on, I'm on the box.

01:10:59.981 --> 01:11:00.862
Yeah.

01:11:01.902 --> 01:11:10.827
uh Small peeve, Aaron, if I can say, I hate that Red Guardian looks different from like he looks different from the end of the movie to that scene.

01:11:10.907 --> 01:11:14.509
And then he also looks different from that scene and to the post credit scene.

01:11:14.509 --> 01:11:24.021
Like I don't like and then the passage of time and like I'm sure they just like got David Harper in for like a day for four hours to film this scene, I'm sure.

01:11:24.021 --> 01:11:27.856
And they just gave him like the the shiny teeth and all that.

01:11:28.016 --> 01:11:28.978
But yeah, I don't know.

01:11:28.978 --> 01:11:29.757
I just.

01:11:30.376 --> 01:11:34.613
He looks too much just like David Harbour in this scene.

01:11:34.613 --> 01:11:35.974
It's a funny scene though.

01:11:36.055 --> 01:11:45.631
And then the, and then the post credit scene, is obviously in the new, in their new watch tower layer, new logo.

01:11:46.311 --> 01:11:56.657
And, uh, it's funny cause like, I guess they're talking about, um, Sam Wilson suing them for the Avengers, like name and copyright lawsuit.

01:11:57.037 --> 01:12:01.699
so, uh, red guardian, he has these jumpsuits made that looked really stupid.

01:12:01.699 --> 01:12:03.701
And he just, he's like, I have an answer.

01:12:03.701 --> 01:12:05.921
Put it Avengers with a Z.

01:12:06.047 --> 01:12:16.402
Adventure is no copyright, you know, and so like Johnny Storm from the Chris Evans with all the patches like or like who's the bad guy in mystery men?

01:12:16.402 --> 01:12:20.265
Amazo man or something.

01:12:21.327 --> 01:12:23.868
Amazing with all the all the different like.

01:12:23.868 --> 01:12:26.769
uh Yeah.

01:12:26.769 --> 01:12:30.978
And then there's then they they mentioned dealing with a space crisis.

01:12:30.978 --> 01:12:38.304
Yeah, well, real quick before we move on to the space crisis, because that's sort of the big thing is that like looking at because they say it's 14 months later.

01:12:38.904 --> 01:12:44.849
Looking at everyone, I'm getting like weird vibes from like everybody's look.

01:12:44.849 --> 01:12:50.033
They've all got like blown out hair and brand new suits and they all look a little too clean and pressed.

01:12:50.054 --> 01:12:50.663
I don't know.

01:12:50.663 --> 01:12:54.577
What were your thoughts when seeing everybody because like Bucky got a new suit.

01:12:54.596 --> 01:12:58.560
His suit looks almost like an upgraded version of his Falcon and Winter soldier suit.

01:12:58.881 --> 01:13:00.652
Yelena's got a new look.

01:13:01.037 --> 01:13:05.863
ah Even Ghost has sort of a different hairdo and style and...

01:13:05.869 --> 01:13:11.632
I feel like it's my thoughts are that it's a like they're trying to use them constantly as like publicity.

01:13:11.632 --> 01:13:13.023
So they want to upgrade them.

01:13:13.023 --> 01:13:13.684
They want them always.

01:13:13.684 --> 01:13:17.954
So they probably like whenever they do something, they get like they have like makeup.

01:13:17.954 --> 01:13:18.945
They have people around them.

01:13:18.945 --> 01:13:23.438
So they're kind of like, you know, prift and you know, and prettied and puffed and all these things.

01:13:23.438 --> 01:13:23.898
Yeah.

01:13:23.898 --> 01:13:26.359
You know, to look good for maybe they just came.

01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:27.460
I don't remember what they were talking about.

01:13:27.460 --> 01:13:31.440
Maybe they just came from like, you know, some kind of meeting or.

01:13:32.122 --> 01:13:32.835
Yeah.

01:13:32.835 --> 01:13:38.430
public affairs events where Valentina has them talking to kids, like make a wish or something.

01:13:38.430 --> 01:13:38.820
Who knows?

01:13:38.820 --> 01:13:40.761
Like, yeah, you're probably right with that.

01:13:41.023 --> 01:13:43.425
OK, so moving on, we get this space event.

01:13:43.425 --> 01:13:44.685
We hear a ping.

01:13:44.685 --> 01:13:50.873
Well, they said that was before the ping actually, I think that they're talking about they've been dealing with this space event.

01:13:50.935 --> 01:13:54.619
So this is before the alarms go off and say that there's something going on.

01:13:54.619 --> 01:13:58.114
So I'm curious about what space event they're dealing with.

01:13:58.114 --> 01:13:59.086
I have theory.

01:13:59.086 --> 01:14:01.858
uh Galactus?

01:14:01.858 --> 01:14:06.380
Maybe or I think we're just we're back to the incursions thing.

01:14:06.500 --> 01:14:10.992
You've got whole universe crashing into each other like we had in multiverse of madness.

01:14:10.992 --> 01:14:18.185
I think that's happening because from my understanding, this, you know, doomsday is supposed to be taking heavily from Jonathan Hickman's.

01:14:18.185 --> 01:14:20.935
uh What's it called?

01:14:20.935 --> 01:14:24.957
His Avengers run leading up to secret wars was called running out of time.

01:14:24.957 --> 01:14:25.587
There it is.

01:14:25.587 --> 01:14:26.948
It was on the tip of my tongue.

01:14:26.948 --> 01:14:29.350
During that, it's the Avengers team.

01:14:29.350 --> 01:14:30.434
Reed Richards.

01:14:30.434 --> 01:14:37.878
Tony Stark, Black Panther, all these folks are getting together trying to figure out why whole universes are just colliding into each other.

01:14:37.878 --> 01:14:42.188
And it's because you have the ultimate universe, which at that time Marvel had the ultimate universe.

01:14:42.188 --> 01:14:43.542
They had the normal books.

01:14:43.563 --> 01:14:47.305
These universes were crushing into each other and they were destroying both of them.

01:14:47.305 --> 01:14:50.067
And I think that's what's going to happen with Dr.

01:14:50.067 --> 01:14:52.429
Doom and the Fantastic Four.

01:14:52.429 --> 01:14:57.591
know, Reed figures out how to get over into and again, I've talked about this many times.

01:14:57.591 --> 01:15:00.206
I hate the fact that the MCU is called Earth 616.

01:15:00.206 --> 01:15:02.149
because that's the Marvel Comics universe.

01:15:02.149 --> 01:15:10.097
Point being is that they find a way over to 616 and that's like part of the space issues that they're having.

01:15:10.326 --> 01:15:10.786
Yes.

01:15:10.786 --> 01:15:19.402
And so then leading to the klaxon, the alarms going off and all of sudden that the, say that they can see something in this, there's a satellite image or whatever.

01:15:19.402 --> 01:15:22.493
And so they tell them, Hey, pull up a satellite image.

01:15:22.493 --> 01:15:26.917
And I knew it as soon as I saw the image, I was like, Oh, fuck.

01:15:26.917 --> 01:15:27.537
I knew it.

01:15:27.537 --> 01:15:34.212
And all of a sudden like, It turns and it has the four symbol on it on the side of the ship and it's fantastic.

01:15:34.212 --> 01:15:34.601
Yeah.

01:15:34.601 --> 01:15:39.934
And like all of a sudden, like the rest of the, rest of the audience goes fucking nuts, but I'm already like, holy shit.

01:15:39.934 --> 01:15:41.414
As soon as I saw the ship.

01:15:42.135 --> 01:15:44.386
but yeah, so it was, that was kind of my let's go.

01:15:44.386 --> 01:15:46.157
Let's fucking go moment.

01:15:46.157 --> 01:15:48.537
Cause I was like, I was like pretty pumped that I saw that.

01:15:48.537 --> 01:15:53.676
um I'm wondering if like Nick Fury and the sword crew can see what's going on.

01:15:53.676 --> 01:15:56.418
Remember in the Marvels, he's up in space doing some shit.

01:15:56.418 --> 01:16:04.083
So I wonder if like maybe he's tracking what's going on right now with the Fantastic Four careening into the planet currently, you know.

01:16:04.203 --> 01:16:14.350
And, know, again, and this is think the last thing that we can say about the movie is that like, yeah, I mean, we knew the fantastic for going to show up in this universe at some point.

01:16:14.350 --> 01:16:18.475
And I assume that what's going to happen in Fantastic Four first steps is that.

01:16:18.475 --> 01:16:20.087
Galactus is going to come to Earth.

01:16:20.087 --> 01:16:23.677
Silver surfer shallow ball is going to be like, Hey bro, you got to get out of here.

01:16:23.677 --> 01:16:27.606
Cause like I got this guy, he's going to eat this thing that you live on currently.

01:16:27.606 --> 01:16:29.168
You should probably scoot.

01:16:29.168 --> 01:16:30.649
You've got four days.

01:16:30.770 --> 01:16:31.609
Yeah.

01:16:31.609 --> 01:16:33.270
You need to, you need to skedaddle.

01:16:33.270 --> 01:16:39.101
You need to kick rocks because this guy he's like cosmic, cosmic, cosmically mad.

01:16:39.101 --> 01:16:39.752
Okay.

01:16:39.752 --> 01:16:44.583
So you've got four days do it and read puts the other plan.

01:16:44.583 --> 01:16:51.161
He's like, Hey, guilt and sadness, but hey, we got to jump ship because our planet is dying or is about to die.

01:16:51.161 --> 01:16:54.805
And they do that right before Galactus, you know, eats the planet.

01:16:54.805 --> 01:16:55.917
And that's where we pick.

01:16:55.917 --> 01:17:00.497
feel like it's almost going to be something along the lines of they're going to try and approach him.

01:17:00.497 --> 01:17:02.337
They're going to try and figure out how to fight him.

01:17:02.337 --> 01:17:14.018
And then maybe even at the last moment, you're going to have Reed Richard to maybe even like tricks the rest of the team into like, says, Oh, we're going to go fight him or we're going to go do something.

01:17:14.018 --> 01:17:25.198
And he tricks them and then takes them to like, takes them through like, like all of sudden, maybe like a portal shows up or like there's a conversion and he uses that or he figures out, know, like I could see.

01:17:25.198 --> 01:17:29.786
cause that I always feel like there might be ethical or moral drama.

01:17:29.786 --> 01:17:34.422
The dilemma that gets created by him leaving their earth behind.

01:17:34.422 --> 01:17:37.667
And he's like, well, I did it to protect the child, you our child.

01:17:38.068 --> 01:17:39.109
Yeah, frankly.

01:17:39.109 --> 01:17:45.497
So I mean, I think it's it's been announced already that like Franklin will be born at some point in this movie and in first steps.

01:17:45.497 --> 01:17:50.489
And like at this point, he has to think about someone other than him and the family is think about his son.

01:17:50.489 --> 01:17:51.340
Right.

01:17:51.739 --> 01:17:53.871
I love that idea because, yeah, Reed is a real son of a bitch.

01:17:53.871 --> 01:17:58.162
Like he will do shit willy nilly because it's either for the betterment of existence.

01:17:58.502 --> 01:18:05.546
You know, he'll like the Council of Reads is like just a group of assholes that like.

01:18:05.652 --> 01:18:15.868
are big braining this whole thing and just like have zero morality and like really just like who gives a shit if we kill these seven planets because this eighth planet right here has the cure for cancer.

01:18:15.868 --> 01:18:21.511
You know, like that's the way they think, which is like objectively right, but also like really fucked up.

01:18:21.511 --> 01:18:29.194
So anyway, Aaron, last thing actually, where does this sort of sit in the pantheon of phase five?

01:18:29.194 --> 01:18:31.317
Again, this is the last movie of phase five.

01:18:31.317 --> 01:18:33.966
So let me list off the movies in the TV series and you sort of.

01:18:33.966 --> 01:18:35.497
I say one thing real quick.

01:18:35.497 --> 01:18:36.408
Yeah.

01:18:36.408 --> 01:18:40.930
Just so you know, this is the longest post credit scene in MCU history.

01:18:40.930 --> 01:18:42.918
Yeah, it kind of feels like it.

01:18:42.957 --> 01:18:44.673
three, nearly three minutes.

01:18:44.673 --> 01:18:52.278
I bet you this is going to be like a, do you remember at the end of Ant-Man, the post credit scene or is it no, it's civil war actually.

01:18:52.278 --> 01:18:53.087
No, no.

01:18:53.087 --> 01:18:53.286
Yeah.

01:18:53.286 --> 01:18:57.899
It's Ant-Man at the end of Ant-Man, the post, one of the post credit scenes was just a scene from civil war.

01:18:57.979 --> 01:19:04.734
was when Bucky had his arm underneath that weight and you've got Sam Wilson and Captain America coming to me like, Hey, are you Bucky or what's going on here?

01:19:04.734 --> 01:19:06.724
You know, like that whole thing.

01:19:06.824 --> 01:19:07.944
okay.

01:19:07.944 --> 01:19:09.125
Movies.

01:19:09.145 --> 01:19:12.594
And we've talked about Everyone no, you know, it's funny.

01:19:12.594 --> 01:19:29.333
The only movie that we did not talk about are the only two movies We didn't talk about here on the show Were guardians the galaxy volume 3 and Deadpool Wolverine, which I think are the two best movies in phase 5 But we did talk about Ant-Man and the lost quantum media the marvels and Captain America brave new world.

01:19:29.333 --> 01:19:33.765
So of the movies Where does thunderbolt sit for you?

01:19:33.985 --> 01:19:37.287
Number six is Ant-Man and the Wasp, quantumania.

01:19:37.287 --> 01:19:38.287
Resolve.

01:19:38.568 --> 01:19:39.429
Yep.

01:19:40.208 --> 01:19:43.990
Number five is the Marvels.

01:19:44.832 --> 01:19:48.113
Number four is Captain America, Brave New World.

01:19:49.033 --> 01:19:52.295
Number three is Thunderbolts.

01:19:52.735 --> 01:19:56.622
Number two is Guardians of the Galaxy and number one is Deadpool and Wolverine.

01:19:56.622 --> 01:19:57.421
Okay.

01:19:57.783 --> 01:20:00.845
My number six is Captain America Brave New World.

01:20:01.005 --> 01:20:02.645
My number five is quantum media.

01:20:02.645 --> 01:20:03.587
Excuse me.

01:20:03.587 --> 01:20:07.949
My number four is the Marvel's.

01:20:07.949 --> 01:20:09.390
Yeah, the Marvel's.

01:20:09.390 --> 01:20:11.912
And we like the Marvel's like like we we enjoyed it.

01:20:11.912 --> 01:20:14.837
uh It's mid.

01:20:14.837 --> 01:20:15.989
It's mid.

01:20:15.989 --> 01:20:17.020
It also made no money.

01:20:17.020 --> 01:20:23.381
Also remember we were talking earlier about Follyadoo that the Marvels like barely made more money than Follyadoo and it probably cost more to be honest.

01:20:23.381 --> 01:20:26.462
But uh number three is.

01:20:26.462 --> 01:20:29.113
Yeah, it's Thunderbolts.

01:20:29.113 --> 01:20:30.003
Number three is Thunderbolts.

01:20:30.003 --> 01:20:31.213
Number two.

01:20:31.474 --> 01:20:32.694
Gosh, this is close, everybody.

01:20:32.694 --> 01:20:34.595
Guardians three is really, really good.

01:20:34.595 --> 01:20:37.262
But I think it's not as good as Deadpool Wolverine.

01:20:37.262 --> 01:20:39.235
So I'm going to put Guardians two.

01:20:39.576 --> 01:20:42.216
Our Guardians three at two and then Deadpool Wolverine at one.

01:20:42.216 --> 01:20:57.734
We actually I just showed Olivia Deadpool Wolverine the other day because we watched The MCU all the way through up to endgame and I said to her if you just follow me through the infinity saga You will just watch whatever you want after this So we went straight from endgame to Deadpool Wolverine.

01:20:57.734 --> 01:21:23.181
She don't want to watch any of the crap in between that So we'll probably end up watching Guardians of the Galaxy volume 3 at some point but Okay of the TV shows though, and if you scroll down there a little bit there, you've got secret invasion Loki season 2 what if season 2 and 3 Echo, Agatha All Along, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, I still haven't watched, Daredevil Born Again, and Iron Heart, which hasn't come out yet.

01:21:23.561 --> 01:21:30.641
Like where's Thunderbolt, you don't have to rank those, but like where is Thunderbolt at in that, in phase five of the TV shows?

01:21:30.904 --> 01:21:34.698
So I'm just going to say right off the right off the back Loki is my number one.

01:21:34.698 --> 01:21:34.988
Sure.

01:21:34.988 --> 01:21:35.439
All this.

01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:45.091
And so I would say more than likely ah the Thunderbolts is probably between Loki and Daredevil.

01:21:47.054 --> 01:21:47.448
No.

01:21:47.448 --> 01:21:51.270
OK, we'll see how you feel about it when you get to the end.

01:21:51.952 --> 01:21:58.479
I want to say, yeah, Loki season two and then Thunderbolts and then Agatha all along and then miscellaneous from there.

01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:00.439
So, OK, cool.

01:22:00.541 --> 01:22:03.412
So it's like better than better than like average.

01:22:03.412 --> 01:22:05.385
I think it's like good, not great.

01:22:05.685 --> 01:22:08.738
OK, well, that's a good transition into our final thoughts, Aaron.

01:22:08.738 --> 01:22:10.390
Final thoughts on the Thunderbolts.

01:22:10.837 --> 01:22:14.520
I that I needed to change the, like, I needed to re- Again, I've been saying reframe.

01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:25.086
I need to reframe how I thought about this movie because I realized that maybe I was anticipating, uh again, uh another Avengers level, like, fight film with powers, things like that.

01:22:25.086 --> 01:22:33.449
And this is just more of, again, an emotional journey, a growth journey, uh a redemption story, if you will.

01:22:33.510 --> 01:22:37.271
And, you know, I appreciate it for what it's worth.

01:22:37.652 --> 01:22:47.824
And I appreciate especially the focus on Like the heavy focus and themes on mental health and how important it is for us to like really like support each other.

01:22:47.824 --> 01:22:52.208
Even if we're not the greatest people, we can still find people that will support us, you know?

01:22:52.877 --> 01:22:57.329
Yeah, I mean, to go back on what Red Guardian said earlier, it's not what it's not the bad that we do.

01:22:57.329 --> 01:22:57.840
It's the good.

01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:58.739
That's how we should be.

01:22:58.739 --> 01:22:59.761
So we judge ourselves.

01:22:59.761 --> 01:23:03.521
So we just judge it to people is like that's what's valuable in this world.

01:23:03.521 --> 01:23:08.923
ah You know, this movie is kind of messy in parts and like it's not perfect.

01:23:08.923 --> 01:23:12.805
But I think the things that it does really well, it does like really well.

01:23:12.805 --> 01:23:15.506
And I think this is like sort of a return to form.

01:23:15.527 --> 01:23:17.988
That's such a played out tropey fucking saying.

01:23:17.988 --> 01:23:22.119
But like it really is like this feels like sort of a phase two Marvel film.

01:23:22.373 --> 01:23:28.956
And I appreciated it for that because again, I have not had a good time with a lot of these Marvel movies and just properties in general.

01:23:28.956 --> 01:23:31.497
We'll get go back to what we just said a moment ago with our rankings.

01:23:31.497 --> 01:23:39.779
It's like Guardians of the Galaxy, volume three Thunderbolts and Deadpool Wolverine are really like the major hits of the last three years in this universe.

01:23:39.779 --> 01:23:42.350
So yeah, you know, I had a good time with it.

01:23:42.350 --> 01:23:47.890
Like I kept trying to like trick myself into thinking I didn't like this movie as much as I did, but I did.

01:23:47.890 --> 01:23:59.966
I just I just I had a good time with it and It's a movie that I'm actually excited to see again, actually of the face five, because I don't really consider Guardians of the Galaxy volume three super rewatchable because it's a real gut punch.

01:23:59.966 --> 01:24:01.126
It's a real kick in the deck.

01:24:01.126 --> 01:24:08.145
So like, I I still haven't gone back and watched Guardians three since seeing it in theaters because and I loved it, but like I don't need to cry.

01:24:08.265 --> 01:24:14.105
So of like phase five besides Deadpool of rain, this is probably the most rewatchable.

01:24:14.105 --> 01:24:16.826
Of those of the of the entire phase.

01:24:17.286 --> 01:24:18.305
So out of five David A.

01:24:18.305 --> 01:24:19.895
Weiner's Aaron, what are you going to give?

01:24:19.895 --> 01:24:21.203
Thunderbolt Asterisk.

01:24:21.582 --> 01:24:27.756
I'm going to go with ask you to give yours first because I think that I give mine plenty of times first and I think it's your turn.

01:24:27.756 --> 01:24:30.289
Okay, I'm going to give it a three point five.

01:24:30.391 --> 01:24:31.073
It's good.

01:24:31.073 --> 01:24:31.802
It's good, Aaron.

01:24:31.802 --> 01:24:35.662
It's just not just not like excellent, you know.

01:24:35.662 --> 01:24:39.202
Yeah, I'll give it a I'll give it a 3.5.

01:24:39.202 --> 01:24:40.862
I'll give it a 3.5.

01:24:40.862 --> 01:24:41.181
Yeah.

01:24:41.181 --> 01:24:41.442
All right.

01:24:41.442 --> 01:24:42.282
It is rewatchable.

01:24:42.282 --> 01:24:43.801
It's definitely rewatchable.

01:24:43.801 --> 01:24:48.042
It's definitely a good, a very good hearted film.

01:24:48.042 --> 01:24:50.421
It's got a lot of heart, you know.

01:24:51.162 --> 01:24:52.421
So, yeah, I like it.

01:24:52.421 --> 01:24:53.402
I think it's a good film.

01:24:53.402 --> 01:24:55.029
I think it's a 3.5.

01:24:55.029 --> 01:25:00.028
You know, for a movie that's tackling a lot of serious things, it's pretty breezy and that's good.

01:25:00.028 --> 01:25:00.801
Yeah, I agree.

01:25:00.801 --> 01:25:01.868
I like light on its feet.

01:25:01.868 --> 01:25:02.572
Yeah.

01:25:02.572 --> 01:25:04.590
It's a little toe-tapper, you know?

01:25:04.590 --> 01:25:08.109
Little Bob, Bob, you know, a little bobbing around.

01:25:08.109 --> 01:25:12.860
You know, speaking of bobbing around, though, we need to get over to a section that we haven't been to in quite a while.

01:25:12.860 --> 01:25:18.712
It's been, I want to say, a couple of months now since we've been to Aaron Aaron's arcade.

01:25:20.597 --> 01:25:23.771
It's time for Aaron's Arcade.

01:25:27.351 --> 01:25:31.626
Welcome to Aaron's Arcade sponsored by nobody at the moment.

01:25:31.626 --> 01:25:40.592
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01:25:40.592 --> 01:25:43.242
So make sure you go over there and drop a follow.

01:25:43.242 --> 01:25:50.541
We will be probably streaming no man's sky again until what I'm going to talk about today is what I'm super excited about.

01:25:50.541 --> 01:25:52.832
I know I'm not playing it just yet, but guess what?

01:25:52.832 --> 01:26:03.113
We've got less than two weeks until the next installment of the doom franchise releases and I've already started getting my pre-ordered items from it.

01:26:03.113 --> 01:26:07.234
got my play mat with the medieval doom Slayer on it.

01:26:07.234 --> 01:26:12.654
I've got the helmet, which is the replica of his new helmet from his new armor.

01:26:12.654 --> 01:26:15.953
I've got, even just ordered a new three, uh, Xbox three 60 controller.

01:26:15.953 --> 01:26:17.594
That is the doom, the dark ages.

01:26:17.594 --> 01:26:20.663
I'll post some stuff over on, uh, Instagram.

01:26:20.663 --> 01:26:22.576
this on Xbox 360.

01:26:22.829 --> 01:26:25.930
No, but I can use the controller on my PC.

01:26:26.229 --> 01:26:28.750
Oh, it's I don't even know if I'm going to use it.

01:26:28.750 --> 01:26:29.810
This thing is sexy as hell.

01:26:29.810 --> 01:26:32.470
Like it's got the spikes from his armor.

01:26:32.470 --> 01:26:33.750
It's, awesome.

01:26:33.750 --> 01:26:43.890
But again, yeah, no man's sky is kind of my current obsession, exploring the universe, doing what a, little Aaron, when he was a kid wanted to do, which was go into space and just explore and be free.

01:26:43.890 --> 01:26:46.229
And again, it's like Minecraft in space.

01:26:46.229 --> 01:26:53.010
So I, I, I love the fact that, you know, Chris would probably enjoy this game if it weren't so complex.

01:26:54.194 --> 01:26:54.914
I'm just kidding.

01:26:54.914 --> 01:26:55.444
I'm kidding.

01:26:55.444 --> 01:26:56.645
It's a joke.

01:26:56.645 --> 01:27:10.713
the do I don't doom the dark ages is the prequel to the critically acclaimed doom 2016 and doom eternal that tells an epic cinematic story worthy of doom Slayers legend uh in this third installment of the modern doom series.

01:27:10.713 --> 01:27:11.113
Excuse me.

01:27:11.113 --> 01:27:18.518
Players will step into the bloodstained boots of the doom Slayer in this never before seen dark and sinister medieval war against hell.

01:27:18.518 --> 01:27:25.661
So this is technically a prequel that is going back before time was time going into we're going to hell again.

01:27:25.661 --> 01:27:27.551
We're getting uh new realms.

01:27:27.551 --> 01:27:28.641
We're getting new weapons.

01:27:28.641 --> 01:27:32.533
There's a fucking shield that has like a saw on it.

01:27:32.573 --> 01:27:35.094
It's like some crazy ass new weapons.

01:27:35.094 --> 01:27:36.213
I'm so excited about.

01:27:36.213 --> 01:27:46.938
ah He's the other thing is some demon crushingly cool like Mecha's like there's a fucking like Doom Slayer Dragon Mecha that we get to write on at some point in the game.

01:27:46.938 --> 01:27:51.181
It is like Did you like peer into one of your wet dreams and go, OK, let's make a game out of this.

01:27:51.181 --> 01:27:52.782
I swear to God they did.

01:27:52.782 --> 01:27:54.301
And this is why I love the doom series.

01:27:54.301 --> 01:28:00.341
is everything that like they have again, robot Mecha's dragon Mecha's like, ah, I'm so excited.

01:28:00.341 --> 01:28:03.046
Are there like orc women in this game too or no?

01:28:04.252 --> 01:28:07.587
DLC, Aaron DLC, it's just She-Hulk skin.

01:28:07.587 --> 01:28:10.460
a, yeah, it's like a, uh, like a dating game.

01:28:10.460 --> 01:28:13.462
You know, like a, like a dating SIM, for ork women.

01:28:13.462 --> 01:28:18.274
need that game is if anybody knows of a ork gate dating, uh, SIM game, let me know.

01:28:18.274 --> 01:28:19.738
Uh, I'm totally down for it.

01:28:19.738 --> 01:28:22.818
Uh, if you aren't a fan of the doom series, now is the time to become one.

01:28:22.818 --> 01:28:30.132
And if you are grab a friend strap the fuck in cause it's time to rip and tear, doom, the dark ages drops may 13th.

01:28:30.253 --> 01:28:36.358
I ordered the collector's edition, which comes with like the statue, the key card, like the steel case.

01:28:36.358 --> 01:28:37.154
It's going to be.

01:28:37.154 --> 01:28:37.984
Bat shit crazy.

01:28:37.984 --> 01:28:38.465
I'm excited.

01:28:38.465 --> 01:28:40.596
I'll do some photos once it gets here.

01:28:40.596 --> 01:28:42.979
And yeah, that's it for Aaron's arcade.

01:28:42.979 --> 01:28:47.631
ah Once again, please go over and check out twitch.tv forward slash Olivia and bar pod.

01:28:47.631 --> 01:28:52.305
Drop us a follow and we'll be streaming on that Tuesdays and Thursdays.

01:28:53.306 --> 01:28:57.640
And then with that, like, let's get to my favorite part of the show, which is Chris's corner.

01:28:59.822 --> 01:29:02.823
It's time for Chris's Corner.

01:29:08.108 --> 01:29:10.831
Rippin' in the Tarrin', Aaron, the Rippin' in the Tarrin'.

01:29:10.976 --> 01:29:12.341
You love that, right?

01:29:12.493 --> 01:29:13.511
especially after Taco Bell.

01:29:13.511 --> 01:29:17.551
oh ah Welcome, everybody to Chris's Corner.

01:29:17.551 --> 01:29:20.533
This week, we are talking about here's the thing.

01:29:20.533 --> 01:29:23.454
Real quick, I tell you what I actually picked this week.

01:29:23.454 --> 01:29:36.323
I think one of my favorite things about being a comic book fan in twenty twenty five is that I've seen this creator go from a relative nobody to now probably maybe the biggest creator in the medium.

01:29:36.323 --> 01:29:42.605
At one point, Daniel Warren Johnson was known by a couple of us through Ghost Fleet.

01:29:42.631 --> 01:29:45.965
and space mullet and a little book called extremity.

01:29:45.965 --> 01:29:50.306
And then all of a sudden out of nowhere, he became like a household name.

01:29:50.507 --> 01:29:58.412
And part of the reason why he is such a big name now, I mean, I think he was already becoming one before, but now I think and it's my pick this week.

01:29:58.412 --> 01:29:59.573
is transformers.

01:29:59.573 --> 01:30:06.418
The first book actually just came out and it actually has issues one through 12 of that series.

01:30:06.418 --> 01:30:14.753
It was mostly written and drawn by Daniel Warren Johnson, but then also in chapter two, Jorge Corona takes over for art, which is like equally as good.

01:30:14.753 --> 01:30:20.847
Like Daniel Warren Johnson is obviously the goat, but like Jorge Corona is very excellent as well.

01:30:20.847 --> 01:30:27.271
So here's the thing about this series, though, Aaron, is that I've been collecting it sort of on the side because of course, Daniel Warren Johnson.

01:30:27.271 --> 01:30:28.917
But like I haven't been keeping up with it.

01:30:28.917 --> 01:30:30.092
I haven't been reading it.

01:30:30.092 --> 01:30:38.667
So this is like as we were saying earlier, this is like sort of the new fun trend that we like to do is we like to wait until a bunch of issues have backed up and we can read it all in one big binge.

01:30:38.783 --> 01:30:39.604
And I'm excited to do it.

01:30:39.604 --> 01:30:41.335
This is a beautiful hardcover from Skybound.

01:30:41.335 --> 01:30:43.195
They did a is a credible job.

01:30:43.195 --> 01:30:44.546
This is actually believe it or not, Aaron.

01:30:44.546 --> 01:30:48.618
This is me being a little braggy asshole is that this is the DM variant of Book One.

01:30:48.618 --> 01:30:55.421
So you can only get this purple sort of metallic glossy version from your local comic book shop if you ordered it.

01:30:55.421 --> 01:30:58.402
Like if you go to your comic book shop and Aaron, you can see it in the transcript.

01:30:58.402 --> 01:31:00.632
It's this blue normal version.

01:31:00.632 --> 01:31:02.162
Yeah.

01:31:02.923 --> 01:31:03.304
Yeah.

01:31:03.304 --> 01:31:08.605
And then this one obviously has our star scream here on the front cover of this book one.

01:31:09.176 --> 01:31:18.371
So very excited to catch up again, if you're not familiar with the Transformers, Energon universe, the Autobots and Decepticons have renewed their endless war on Earth.

01:31:18.371 --> 01:31:20.752
And the one thing is immediately clear.

01:31:20.752 --> 01:31:22.082
The planet will never be the same.

01:31:22.082 --> 01:31:23.233
New alliances are struck.

01:31:23.233 --> 01:31:29.215
Battle lines are redrawn and humanity's only hope of survival is Optimus Prime.

01:31:29.256 --> 01:31:31.176
We do the do the Transformers.

01:31:31.176 --> 01:31:32.396
Nice as I can do.

01:31:36.655 --> 01:31:41.048
Okay, so, as I said, Danny Warren Johnson do a power bomb or a corona.

01:31:41.048 --> 01:31:45.261
He worked with Scott Young over on Middle West and of course, Mike Spicer on colors.

01:31:45.261 --> 01:31:54.708
So I'm imagining that most people listen to most people who listen to this are already either tracking the Daniel Warren Johnson's on Transformers or reading it.

01:31:54.708 --> 01:31:55.890
And like Chris, you're an idiot.

01:31:55.890 --> 01:31:57.371
Why haven't you been keeping up?

01:31:57.371 --> 01:31:59.471
Well, I'm going to now.

01:31:59.471 --> 01:32:02.453
So Transformers book number one.

01:32:02.667 --> 01:32:04.671
is Chris's corner this week.

01:32:04.805 --> 01:32:06.528
Aaron, have you been keeping up with Transformers?

01:32:06.655 --> 01:32:10.099
Yes, I avoid rivals, transformers, all of them.

01:32:10.099 --> 01:32:13.523
It is, I am just anticipating every issue.

01:32:13.523 --> 01:32:14.445
It's so good.

01:32:14.445 --> 01:32:16.873
Real little slut for the Energon universe.

01:32:16.873 --> 01:32:24.155
I am absolutely a slut for the energon universe for uh some of the nacelle universe.

01:32:24.155 --> 01:32:27.617
Some of the massive, not, not, not, what is it?

01:32:27.617 --> 01:32:28.006
What is it?

01:32:28.006 --> 01:32:28.997
Not the black.

01:32:28.997 --> 01:32:29.547
What is that?

01:32:29.547 --> 01:32:31.448
Radiant black, not the radiant black.

01:32:31.448 --> 01:32:33.378
Cause that's the massive versus that.

01:32:33.838 --> 01:32:34.248
Yeah.

01:32:34.248 --> 01:32:46.622
I, I, when I say massive verse, mean like the massive comics verse had their, um AstroBot series and I want them to bring that back.

01:32:46.622 --> 01:32:50.212
uh But yeah, it's like I'm more for some of their stuff.

01:32:50.212 --> 01:33:03.951
oh Well, I'm really happy that you're a huge slut for the inner John universe, Aaron, because next week on the show for episode one ninety three now it's sort of inner John universe adjacent, but kind of a big deal.

01:33:03.951 --> 01:33:15.350
Everybody next week we are joined by the creator of The Walking Dead of invincible of outcast of oblivion song of void rivals.

01:33:15.350 --> 01:33:16.530
Thank you, Aaron.

01:33:16.711 --> 01:33:17.942
Of Marvel zombies.

01:33:17.942 --> 01:33:20.365
We didn't even talk about that at all in this conversation.

01:33:20.365 --> 01:33:25.966
Robert Kirkman will be here on the Oblivion Bar podcast and Aaron, I'm setting it up.

01:33:25.966 --> 01:33:27.746
You're getting ahead of me here.

01:33:28.105 --> 01:33:32.966
You're jumping the Optimus Prime Autobot gun that's on his arm.

01:33:33.565 --> 01:33:35.845
He's he's he's not alone, Aaron.

01:33:35.845 --> 01:33:39.206
I'm not going to cut it out, but you didn't say that was going to be there.

01:33:39.206 --> 01:33:40.025
Who's going to be there?

01:33:40.025 --> 01:33:42.945
And do you want to know who's going to also be there with Robert Kirkman?

01:33:43.206 --> 01:33:43.865
Tell me.

01:33:43.865 --> 01:33:44.485
OK, yeah.

01:33:44.485 --> 01:33:48.605
So he was the artist on one hundred and twenty seven of one hundred and forty four issues of invincible.

01:33:48.605 --> 01:33:50.380
He was the one the only.

01:33:50.380 --> 01:33:51.530
The one and only yes.

01:33:51.530 --> 01:34:01.279
He also was the artist on Amazing Spider-Man with Nick Spencer and he was the artist on the Hulk run with Donny Cates where he wrote the last six issues because Donny Cates disappeared into a void.

01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:03.600
Not the century void, not that one.

01:34:03.621 --> 01:34:08.185
But yeah, actually probably closer to that than whatever.

01:34:08.685 --> 01:34:10.936
Ryan Otley was he joined us here on the show as well.

01:34:10.936 --> 01:34:12.828
Yes, Robert and Rodley.

01:34:12.828 --> 01:34:15.270
Ryan Otley joined us here on the Oblivion Bar podcast.

01:34:15.270 --> 01:34:16.072
How did we do it?

01:34:16.072 --> 01:34:17.072
I don't know.

01:34:17.592 --> 01:34:18.985
Was it a good conversation?

01:34:18.985 --> 01:34:19.188
Yes.

01:34:19.188 --> 01:34:21.699
Yeah.

01:34:21.699 --> 01:34:26.783
It was a short conversation because we were, we were stuck into a little box of time.

01:34:29.613 --> 01:34:33.655
Yes, sure you don't fuck up.

01:34:33.655 --> 01:34:37.992
like, Chris, Aaron, we know what kind of shenanigans you have over there on the Oblivion bar.

01:34:37.992 --> 01:34:38.622
This is Robert.

01:34:38.622 --> 01:34:40.283
This is the Robert Kirkman.

01:34:40.525 --> 01:34:42.471
Please don't mention muscle mommies.

01:34:43.949 --> 01:34:45.909
But yeah, that's next week on the show.

01:34:45.909 --> 01:34:50.369
Episode one ninety three will be our conversation with Robert Kirkman and Ryan Ali.

01:34:50.369 --> 01:34:52.229
Genuinely a huge honor.

01:34:52.229 --> 01:34:55.890
A gigantic milestone here on the Abloving Bar.

01:34:55.989 --> 01:34:57.210
What a pleasure it was.

01:34:57.210 --> 01:34:59.510
And we're excited to share that conversation with everybody.

01:34:59.729 --> 01:35:01.689
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01:35:01.689 --> 01:35:04.130
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01:35:04.595 --> 01:35:07.317
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01:36:19.414 --> 01:36:20.460
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01:36:20.460 --> 01:36:24.640
actually just mean you'll be exiled to ah Australia where everything wants to kill you.

01:36:24.640 --> 01:36:24.920
yes.

01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:25.291
Yes.

01:36:25.291 --> 01:36:25.581
Yeah.

01:36:25.581 --> 01:36:28.033
You don't want to go anywhere in Australia like the middle.

01:36:28.033 --> 01:36:31.135
Most of that land is a little that's not even where you like.

01:36:31.135 --> 01:36:36.037
If you're not living on the southeast coast of Australia, you're in like hell.

01:36:36.322 --> 01:36:38.283
Sorry to any Australians that are listening.

01:36:38.283 --> 01:36:41.167
We know nothing about Australia.

01:36:41.167 --> 01:36:45.180
calling the middle of your country hell uh was inconsiderate.

01:36:45.180 --> 01:36:49.975
So on behalf of the oblivion bar pod, we apologize.

01:36:50.087 --> 01:36:54.786
know, the government of Australia also lost two separate wars to two separate animals.

01:36:54.806 --> 01:36:58.012
Kangaroos and I think was ostriches.

01:36:58.012 --> 01:37:00.917
So, you know, when the shoe fits.

01:37:03.438 --> 01:37:05.438
All right, that'll do it for the Oblivion Bar podcast, everybody.

01:37:05.438 --> 01:37:07.497
Thank you so much for listening to episode 192.

01:37:07.497 --> 01:37:12.158
We will see you next week talking to Robert Kirkman and Ryan Otley during episode 193.

01:37:12.158 --> 01:37:14.158
But until then, see you later.