MOVIE REVIEW: Superman

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Hey, this is Jeff Johns, writer of Batman Earth 1, Blackest Night, Flashpoint, and one of the founding creators of Ghost Machine.

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And you are listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast, my favorite bar.

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Blue Devil's there quite often.

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oh Welcome to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host Chris Hacker and Aaron Knowles.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 199 of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I'm someone who still annoyingly believes in truth, justice, and the American way, Chris Hacker.

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And joining me is everyone's pal and mutant toes other side piece, my co-host and BFF, Aaron Knowles.

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I'm going to be honest, have no idea how to respond to you calling me mutant.

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No, no, no, you're not mutant toes.

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You're just mutant toes side piece.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Tessa Maka.

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uh Of course, Aaron, what else could we be talking about this week?

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I mean, really honestly, if we were even thinking about talking about anything else, we should probably just stop the show.

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Yeah, if we weren't talking about Superman, then we would be, mean, this would not, there's no point in having a show.

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Yeah.

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The Ablobbing Bar is nothing if not a roundabout of the week of all things nerd.

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And this week, James Gunn's first entry in the DC universe, I should say DC studios, DC universe.

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Is it DCU?

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It's not the DCEU.

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That was kind DCU.

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That's what's been like been kind of circulating in my newsfeed.

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I think so as well.

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think DCU is probably a good sort of starting point.

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And also it's not really being talked about as much, but this is also the first entry in the gods and monsters saga, which I think is still happening because some of those movies that James announced a couple of years ago is not happening anymore.

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And like things are being shuffled around is James Mangold directing Swamp Thing is Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow being called Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow.

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We'll talk about some of that here in just a moment, but I will say just kind of off the top, everybody.

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episode 199, Aaron, this is uh we're on the brink.

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This is the penultimate episode leading up to episode 200, which we will actually be recording together in Philadelphia for no particular reason.

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It's not like we're just going to Philadelphia.

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I will be there for a work trip.

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You're a train right away.

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So just popping in like a a side piece on uh Quest for info.

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looking for some toes, you know.

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So we're just going to be in kind of the same area.

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So we decided we're just going to meet up and record episode 200 and quick, you know, peek behind the curtain.

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and I still don't really know what we're going to do.

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I haven't planned anything.

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Aaron hasn't really planned anything for the show.

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So we're just going to get together and I assume just kind of talk about, you know, the last 200 episodes of the Ablobbing Bar.

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Yeah.

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Where we've been, where we're going, what it's felt like, how good it's felt, how bad it's felt.

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Yeah.

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Um, you know, the emotional times we've laughed, we've cried.

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We read commercial.

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So yeah, anyway, episode 200, it's going to be exciting.

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Can't wait to hang out with you because we're actually going to see each other two weeks in a row because that following week after episode 200, we're going to be together in San Diego, which is the best time of the year.

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Hello, San Diego.

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It's exciting.

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Aaron, this will be your second San Diego.

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Is that correct?

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Yes.

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And are you excited?

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Yes, they are.

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Beats.

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That'll start a lie to go.

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The human torch was denied a bank loan.

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Yes.

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What excites you about San Diego?

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man, honestly, it's uh now that I have, well, A, it's the panel that I'm gonna be on.

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B, no, B is the panel, but A is seeing friends like you, family, almost, if you will.

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And what else?

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Man, just like hanging out with people.

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Like I, you know, I've been messaging some of my contacts and also messaging some people in my new...

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like industry area job circle that I'm going to be hopefully meeting up with.

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So I think it's going to be a good time.

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I'm looking forward to it.

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I have a lot of meetings as well.

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Business.

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San Diego Comic Con is not just the greatest place on earth.

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They always say Disney is the happiest place on earth for Aaron and I and people like us.

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I'm sure a lot of people listening.

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San Diego is the happiest place on earth from, you know, that third week of July, that entire week.

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And for some folks like Aaron and like comic creators, it's usually like a business trip.

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And I will say like even for the show, a lot of times we're meeting with publishers and meeting with comic friends that we've had on the show that we haven't had a chance to meet in real life.

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Comic friends, know, podcasting friends, all the things.

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I'm very excited to be in San Diego.

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Aaron, again, as I said a moment ago, no news and notes this week, no Aaron's Arcade, no Christmas Corner.

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This is just going to be all episode 199 is going to be completely Superman conversation.

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We feel like we need the entire hour plus to talk about this movie.

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Absolutely.

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So might as well just go ahead and get into it.

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No more preamble.

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Let's go ahead and get into our conversation of Superman.

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So.

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Alrighty, here we are talking about Superman, the first entry in the DC Studios, DCU, James Gunn's first entry and spoilers ahead.

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If you have not seen Superman and you still want to, I would recommend go seeing that film first and then coming back and listening to our conversation on it because we will be spoiling everything from the very jump.

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So Aaron, as we often do, initial thoughts on this first entry in the DCU.

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I think this is the word that stuck with me while I was watching the movie.

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was just like spectacular.

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I don't really know.

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I feel like that may not be the word that I'm looking for.

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I just wanted a word that kind of, there were these moments, like just moments that kind of paused or froze time for a second through the movie.

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And Yeah, moment like momentous, guess maybe would be a good a good word.

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That's that's kind of what I'm trying to that would be my first impression.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's purposeful, right?

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I think James Gunn very honestly and earnestly knows the importance of Superman and sort of his role within our pop culture and with a, with a nerd culture within just like culture in general, he is, I think one of the most iconic American figures in history.

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I don't think that's even really debatable.

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know, walking out of this movie, I felt slightly, I've seen this movie twice, everybody.

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should say that probably off the top.

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I saw it on Tuesday for the Amazon.

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early screenings.

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And then I saw it yesterday at the Alamo Draft House here in Indianapolis.

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And the first time that I left the film, I went and saw it with my partner, Olivia.

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We, she loved it.

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I also liked it, but I felt kind of conflicted, Aaron, a little like I felt like I had an amazing, you know, know, Martin Scorsese says these movies are supposed to be roller coasters.

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I kind of felt like, like it was a roller coaster.

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Like the rush was incredible.

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But then as soon as I got off the ride, I was like, Hmm, like, was that as great as I thought it was?

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Like Like I could see the cracks in the wall and I was like, need to this again.

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before.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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I needed to see it one more time because this movie is important.

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I think this is my most anticipated film of year.

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think it was, if not your most anticipated one of your.

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Yeah.

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So I was like, I need to see this at least one more time before we talk about it on the show, because this is very important.

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And I think what I came to the conclusion of is that regardless of seeing the.

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obvious flaws of this film, the pacing, some of the obvious winks and nods, a little bit of uh overstuffing in terms of character and story.

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I don't care.

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This movie was exactly what it should have been.

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It gave me exactly what I wanted.

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The feeling I had leaving both the first and second time is a feeling that I've felt very seldom as someone who goes to the movies very often.

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It's the exact feeling that I'm looking for.

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Not only when I go to see superhero films, but just film in general.

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It's a feeling of hopefulness.

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It's a feeling of a euphoric sort of happiness.

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um It's exactly what I want from not only, again, superhero movies, but Superman-focused movies.

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Not and not to give too much away.

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Like I wish like I wanted to walk out with that feeling, especially after you texted me and told me like, you know, like you're kind of initial.

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You're not initial thoughts, but like initial reaction kind of.

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uh I wish that I had and I'm not going to give my my my rating or anything away too early.

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You know, not going to blow my load too early.

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That's someone like you.

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feel like you're just, you're known for the quick release.

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Exactly.

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know, I, I just, wish that I had that same feeling.

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genuinely was, I genuinely enjoyed, there were some, there were some scenes that I'm just like, holy shit, this is incredible.

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And then there was like these moments where I'm just like, So like, you know, let's I don't want to, I don't want to get too much into that until we go through, until we get more into the movie.

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So let's, let's do this.

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Well, can I ask you really quickly?

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Cause I saw with a friend who's a John Ellis, if he's listening right now, good, good friend, also a comic book writer.

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He's done a ton of stuff in the comic book world.

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And he said something that was really important, I think where he said, like, I think if you don't come in with an established love of like the DC universe and Superman specifically, this film may not hit as hard as it did for like maybe me or even like you as someone who it sounds like you're not as hot on this movie as I was, but like, I still think you had a good time with it.

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I'm curious what it would be like for folks who aren't really like have like a deep earnest love for DC Comics and again Superman specifically.

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Well, go ahead.

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What we're gonna say.

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I'm, I'm so to, to go off of that, I feel like any normal movie goer that is not as invested into the comic genre realm industry as you and I are.

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feel like this is a movie that can definitely, that is, it's exciting.

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It's action packed.

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It's emotional at times.

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It's definitely very, um, approachable, you know, in, in every aspect like you don't I don't think that any non Superman like expert I think that I want I think that any non Superman expert can go into this movie and be like, okay, I'm learning about the the the DC characters.

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Like there's nothing in here that says, you know, you better know something before you walk in here.

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There's nothing like that.

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I don't think because this is this very much feels like a complete reboot of of everything in the DCU.

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So which I think is what it's supposed to feel like.

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And there's a little bit of, as we often say here on the show, little bit of fart sniffing of like the silver age of DC universe.

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Like James Gunn is very, very aware of the winks and nods, the truth, justice and American ways of it all.

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Right?

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Like he is trying to almost like in big pink balloon letters in front of your face go, this is what makes Superman really cool.

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Like, yeah, he's a little hokey, you know, he's a little silly, he's a little hammy.

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He says, oh golly, at one point in this movie, you know, like, He's gonna save a squirrel is what we're saying, right?

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Like that's what's important about Superman.

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And we understand that in 2025.

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And this is part of reason why I love this movie so much is that I think we need to change the way we think about what is cool in 2025.

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And I they did that.

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Yeah.

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mean, at least, at least they're, at least they're starting the process, which again is something that the MCU has 20, like two plus decades, you know, already built ahead of them, which we see much like, you know, any democracy in history eventually starts to kind of crumble a little bit towards what major power to slowly crumble.

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just slowly crumbles because they get too big for themselves and they start losing their way and they start losing their focus.

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And we see that with the MCU, but this, this feels like this, along with everything else that James Gunn is doing, very much like that pivot towards the right direction.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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The marketing is incredible too.

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I want to say I don't really have any part of that in this.

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You know, I work in marketing, Aaron, I know you've done a little bit of that with your public affairs work in the army, like they, this is a lot of you're doing it now.

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Like this movie, this Superman movie is everywhere.

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Like, I don't know if it's maybe the algorithm.

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I don't think it is.

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I genuinely think that like Warner Brothers and DC studios have been working their ass off with trying to promote this movie because it's important and it's It's everywhere.

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Social media, not just from the studios, but from the actors, from fans, from influencers, from experiences to everything.

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And to be honest, Marvel's doing a lot of the same, doing some very, from their own side of it.

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But I totally see what you're saying.

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It's not just the studio pumping money, or it is the studio pumping money into it, but I think it's more than that.

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Yeah.

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They're also being creative with it.

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I think that I saw one video of, it's like a cell phone in the, it's like the Superman suit on like a stand and there's a cell phone in like the belt and it slowly slips into the trunks, the red trunks.

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And then it's got Nicholas Holt.

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It looks like under a blanket going, Hey, Superman releases today.

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should go.

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It's like implying that Nicholas Holt is in his underpants.

00:16:29.144 --> 00:16:31.677
Anyway, I'm saying like they understand the demographic.

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You know I mean?

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Like they get it like Gen Z.

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If you really want to capture folks.

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you've got to make a footprint online.

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It's no longer release two trailers and then a movie is successful.

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You have to put the legwork in guerrilla marketing style.

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And I think that they're balancing it really well with that exact same approach in the film with having, you know, again, very approachable levels.

00:16:56.705 --> 00:17:03.340
Like we talked about this last week, I think, when we talked about like, which do you, which do I think is going to be more successful, you know?

00:17:03.340 --> 00:17:05.634
Jurassic World, Fantastic Four and this.

00:17:05.634 --> 00:17:05.903
Yeah.

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Yes.

00:17:06.773 --> 00:17:23.939
And again, like I will emphasize that I think it's going to be this one because of the, I didn't even think about this before, but like in the movie, like the generational, like, again, approach ability, accessibility between, you know, kids.

00:17:24.919 --> 00:17:31.221
And we'll talk about a little bit more, but like, cause there's some things in this movie, like there's like language, there's some violence, people are getting killed.

00:17:31.221 --> 00:17:37.593
Um, you know, the dog gets kicked, you know, like there's like, There's, there's stuff that happens.

00:17:38.154 --> 00:17:39.896
Eyes are getting poked, man.

00:17:40.579 --> 00:17:41.986
man, that was almost lewd.

00:17:41.986 --> 00:17:44.355
That is James Gunn coded right there.

00:17:44.355 --> 00:17:47.186
It's just Starro all over again from Suicide Squad.

00:17:47.186 --> 00:17:47.910
Exactly.

00:17:47.910 --> 00:17:48.510
Exactly.

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But it's just like that.

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you know, and then again, you have like Ma Pa Kent, are just like, again, older actors who are very, like very, again, very approachable.

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And they have that, that, very nostalgic uh yet.

00:18:00.142 --> 00:18:01.952
uh What would you call it?

00:18:01.952 --> 00:18:07.387
Like, somebody who is like very caring, you know, comforting.

00:18:07.387 --> 00:18:13.998
uh This movie very much has its arms open saying, please like come in for a big one.

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know what mean?

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And I think there's no like bigger emphasis on this idea than the final speech of Clark there at Lex Corp, you know, in that tower yelling at Lex for the first time.

00:18:25.407 --> 00:18:32.864
Even even that one and the one between, um, you know, John, John, John Kent, what's his dad's name?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jonathan Kent and, and, and Clark, when he's sitting on the pot, when he's on the porch and he's like, you know, parents aren't there to tell.

00:18:41.601 --> 00:18:47.376
And I don't want to get, again, I'm not going to give too much away, but like parents aren't there to tell kids, you know, like who they're supposed to be.

00:18:47.376 --> 00:18:47.797
Yeah.

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You know, like that moment right there, that was like, again, there's these moments that are so accessible.

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for everybody for anybody and everybody and I'm like holy shit like there's and again like I could go over every single thing in this moment but I know we got like stuff we're gonna hit.

00:19:06.549 --> 00:19:08.705
Let me let me ask you this just to continue on the conversation.

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How did you see the movie?

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What was the crowd like all the things?

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So I actually, you know, again, I told you like, I wasn't really comfortable going into like the bit, the city for this one, going into a big IMAX theater.

00:19:22.273 --> 00:19:34.794
So I saw it in a, really good, it was, there's just, I guess there's a franchise in Jersey and like there's one here in New York as well, um, called I pick and it's basically like, it's basically like Alamo.

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You go in, you can order food, you have really nice recliners.

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They give you blankets.

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If it gets cold, it gets a whole experience.

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It's awesome.

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Screen's great, sound is great.

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um Yeah, so it's just like a whole experience.

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I would say the only thing that's slightly annoying about my experience though is that, you know, there are like waiters and waitresses like going around and like asking people like, know, are you ready for your check?

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You know, it's just like, wanna pay with Carter Cash?

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Carter Cash.

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Can I take this plate?

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I'm like, I'm watching fucking Lex Luthor on the screen.

00:20:05.886 --> 00:20:10.644
It's like it's literally the the the ultimate climax of this film and you're bust.

00:20:10.644 --> 00:20:20.006
You're like you're fucking you're edging here, you know Yeah, like Lex Luthor is getting thrown around by crypto and the waiters like, okay, so like it's an automatic 18 % gratuity.

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Do you want to add any more here?

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It's going to ask you a couple of questions.

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You are code, you know, don't forget to do the survey for a chance at a $50 gift card.

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Make sure you subscribe to my YouTube channel, like subscribe, which we do here, you know, like we don't do that at movie theater, but you know, we do that kind of thing.

00:20:41.405 --> 00:20:42.905
Yeah, it's interesting.

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So.

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My first time seeing it was the AMC 17 here in Indianapolis that Tuesday at the Amazon, you know, pre-release for folks who weren't aware Amazon.

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There was like this special opportunity where if you were able to get there quickly, you could log in with your Amazon account and you could get early screening tickets to see Superman on Tuesday instead of the normal preview night on Thursday.

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I took full advantage of that.

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It was a packed crowd.

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People were loving it, hooting, hollering, all the things.

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And then Friday went to a much more secluded crowd at the Alamo Drafthouse here in Indy, a couple of bad, eggs in the crowd.

00:21:18.109 --> 00:21:29.118
You know, this movie, this type of movie is going to bring out the the filthy casuals, as we like to call them here on the show, just people on their phone, talking, whispering.

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was, I don't, you know, the Alamo Drafthouse, have the really awesome recliner seats there and you know this, and there was, uh, I would say there was like less than 10 people in the theater and there was this kid, we were like, I was on the maybe third, you know, near the, near the top of the theater on the right side.

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And there was this kid in the middle who was just like pressing his button and the mechanized part of the chair.

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This is so not important to this conversation, but the mechanized like noise, I could hear it echoing from behind me in a little gap behind the chairs.

00:22:00.239 --> 00:22:03.171
And he was just constantly pressing just boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.

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And I had, at one point I gave him the Aaron stare.

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I was like, I just like looked over.

00:22:07.212 --> 00:22:11.316
was like, you know, what are you, what are you fucking doing?

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Come on, man.

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We're watching a movie.

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like, course, know, Alamo, you can order food, as you said, like, it's just part of the experience.

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can also pull an errand and complain.

00:22:21.397 --> 00:22:32.661
Well, I do at one point, I will get there, but this always annoys the fuck out of me is when people pull out their loud ass, bright cell phone and just use that as a light.

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Here's the thing.

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PSA for everybody who's listening.

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There are literal lights on the bottom of the tray, everybody.

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I know they're not, you know, like a harsh LED light that you need to see clearly of the entire menu.

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But if you hold it real close and look and scan it, you can use it.

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OK, it's it's meant to be discrete.

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for the viewing experience.

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And then there was this one woman at the front of the, like they were like sitting in the front row, which was really odd.

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But she was like cell phone in front of her fucking face, looking at Facebook up to, would say, right when Superman is getting his light heel there towards the beginning at the Fortress of Solitude.

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And I pressed the button, I was like, hey, you gotta get those guys or I'm gonna make a scene.

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You gotta get those folks either out of here or tell them to put their phone down.

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And to their credit, they did eventually.

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Man.

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So like, here's the thing.

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Instead of using that bright ass flashlight, just pull up the digital menu on your phone.

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I.

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Well, I know, I mean, at least the light, the least if you have your cell phone, you can turn the like the the the light down a little bit on your screen.

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So it's not like blinding everybody, but a flash because I had something to do.

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So so I pick is different because it has like the back three rows, which are like above the walkway.

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Uh, have like each of the, each of the sets of chairs is like in its own booth.

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So you almost have walls that block your view from other people, which is nice.

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However, at this time, uh, we, we opted for, uh, seats on the, the, like in front of it, it was like the last row, uh, in front of the, the walkway and these we didn't know, but they had, they didn't have the little booth.

00:24:15.923 --> 00:24:24.834
So it's just like seats, seats, seats, seats, seats, seats, but some of them are They're pretty much like, like double seats, not, love seats, but just like, there's still like an arm in the middle.

00:24:24.834 --> 00:24:28.999
Somebody on the far side of me was using their flashlight to look in.

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Oh, Jesus Christ.

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Was it bright?

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And then somebody kept having their like, like chime go off.

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Like every time they got a text.

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That's a, that's a like light.

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Okay.

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You're a big Dick, but I will not like make a scene.

00:24:43.605 --> 00:24:51.269
you're, if your phone is making noise, I will, it's like a flying elbow from the top rope coming your way and like very, near future.

00:24:51.554 --> 00:24:54.674
I the path of peace today.

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I chose Superman uh five quest for.

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And so I didn't say anything, but I will say I got to my camera dust on it.

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It's bothering me.

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um I will say this.

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When the credits finally, like the mid credit scene hit and it kind of gets a little bit quieter for a second.

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Sure.

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I literally stood up and I turned around.

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said.

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Whoever's phone was chiming, you need to learn to turn that thing the fuck off.

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Five times is too fucking much.

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You dick.

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That was it.

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of it.

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like, but yeah, that's that that was the that was the worst of it was that was, you the light on the and not only having to at the very beginning of the movie and then somebody's chime that kept going off.

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And I'm just like, that's so disrespectful.

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It literally says like, turn it off.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Well, lock in because we're to get at least one more time with Fantastic Four.

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You know, the, casuals will come up for that one too.

00:25:46.311 --> 00:25:52.451
But uh continuing on with Superman here, will say James Gunn tweeted out that this is kind of a weird transition.

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Sorry, everybody.

00:25:53.294 --> 00:26:01.746
James Gunn tweeted that the death of his father was the influence on the screenplay and the film's release, which was July 11th, was actually his father's birthday, which is really cool.

00:26:01.746 --> 00:26:04.717
So speaking of James Gunn, we all know who James Gunn is.

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I don't think we need to go into extreme detail about his career, but of course, You know, Scooby-Doo, Slither, Super, all the Guardians of the Galaxy films, Suicide Squad, Brightburn.

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I think it's important to note that he did Brightburn.

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He write it.

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He didn't direct it.

00:26:19.473 --> 00:26:20.374
He wrote it.

00:26:20.374 --> 00:26:23.134
But yeah, you know, yeah, I'm just the film.

00:26:23.134 --> 00:26:31.094
Like it's funny because like if you remember the trailers for Brightburn, they promoted it as a James Gunn film because this is in between Guardians 2 and whatever else he does in Suicide Squad.

00:26:31.094 --> 00:26:34.493
And they promote it as like this is a James Gunn joint, James Gunn joint.

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But in reality, he didn't direct it.

00:26:36.733 --> 00:26:38.374
So it's just one of those funny things.

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I don't know.

00:26:39.531 --> 00:26:40.913
I still, I I enjoyed that movie.

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That's still one of like the one of the, one of the ones that I constantly I do, it pops into my brain and like, man, I want to watch bright burn.

00:26:46.853 --> 00:26:50.508
Cause it's such, it's such a Superman story.

00:26:50.798 --> 00:26:53.357
It's definitely a deconstruction of the Superman origin.

00:26:53.357 --> 00:26:54.856
It's exactly the Superman origin.

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Just, Hey, this kid is a psycho, which is, I guess what, what, you know, the, the L's wanted like Cal, Cal's parents wanted him to come and do what did.

00:27:04.363 --> 00:27:08.367
So, I guess we haven't gotten into it, but like, want to ask about that in particular.

00:27:08.367 --> 00:27:12.413
I'm sure we'll get into it, but like, is that from, don't, okay.

00:27:12.413 --> 00:27:13.281
Again, pardon me.

00:27:13.281 --> 00:27:15.057
I don't know a whole lot.

00:27:15.057 --> 00:27:15.647
just.

00:27:15.647 --> 00:27:17.493
Should we do a quick establishment really quick?

00:27:17.493 --> 00:27:27.759
uh like a quick establishment because from my understanding of Superman, all right, Superman, obviously Krypton Krypton was OK.

00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.200
So you like the council there might.

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doesn't cover, doesn't cover the orchids.

00:27:31.624 --> 00:27:32.987
So Aaron's going to do it for you really quickly.

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Here we go.

00:27:33.451 --> 00:27:33.981
Really quickly.

00:27:33.981 --> 00:27:40.135
So like the council of of of Krypton is like, you know, they're like there's science going on.

00:27:40.135 --> 00:27:41.916
They're like drilling mining there.

00:27:41.916 --> 00:27:46.088
I think they are actually even using the material of the core to do something.

00:27:46.088 --> 00:27:54.513
And then at one point, like Jarrel's, who's a main scientist on Krypton, one of the best scientists is like, hey, you guys got to stop if you don't stop Krypton's doomed.

00:27:54.513 --> 00:27:55.453
They didn't stop.

00:27:55.453 --> 00:28:01.218
ah I don't remember if they exiled him or not, but I just know that at one point he's like, we're too fucking late.

00:28:01.218 --> 00:28:02.538
Send the baby off.

00:28:02.698 --> 00:28:04.439
Yeah, it's pretty much exactly that.

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em I will say that the origin differs between like the comics and you're very close to like the Zack Snyder version, which is like a sort of a longer drawn out.

00:28:13.426 --> 00:28:17.109
I think one of the highlights of Man of Steel is that intro, sort of the origin story.

00:28:17.109 --> 00:28:21.113
But I do love the fact that this movie just completely bypassed that and said, hey, we get it.

00:28:21.113 --> 00:28:22.165
We all have seen.

00:28:22.165 --> 00:28:23.626
I love the intro.

00:28:23.626 --> 00:28:52.595
Yeah, I love that is something that we have not and again I we talked about this on the grid We talked about this last week how you're like this movie absolutely is punk rock It is punk rock is is punk rock because punk rock does whatever the fuck punk rock wants to do Yeah, it is completely uh Anti-established terrorism uh it is like it is its own like it writes its own course It sets its own course its follows its own stars and that's what this movie did and I fucking loved it for it Yeah, absolutely.

00:28:52.595 --> 00:28:56.578
uh I will say that like, it was really cool to see.

00:28:56.578 --> 00:29:02.990
So as Bradley Cooper, he obviously plays Jor-El there as like the running voice memo that he's listening to throughout.

00:29:02.990 --> 00:29:04.490
You voicemail.

00:29:05.730 --> 00:29:11.451
The FaceTime message, you know, one of those, but also in there and I'm spacing her name.

00:29:11.451 --> 00:29:14.753
It's, uh Angela's, uh, saffron.

00:29:14.753 --> 00:29:22.696
She plays Laura, uh, Laura con Laura Vaughn, Laura Laura Vaughn, which is, uh, Jor-El's wife.

00:29:22.696 --> 00:29:23.387
don't, it's weird.

00:29:23.387 --> 00:29:28.880
I don't know if they actually like, I don't see, I don't even know like the full origin of them, of like their parents.

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.550
I thought her last name was L as well, but I guess not.

00:29:31.550 --> 00:29:34.609
Uh, point being is that she looks familiar.

00:29:35.501 --> 00:29:37.661
Well, I'm saying what.

00:29:37.837 --> 00:29:39.122
It's her maiden name.

00:29:39.185 --> 00:29:41.353
Laura Vaughn is her maiden name.

00:29:41.518 --> 00:29:47.097
Well, yeah, but I thought Elle was going to be her like pseudo last name, but it's not Vaughn is her last name.

00:29:47.097 --> 00:29:50.258
They either weren't, maybe they married at a wedlock.

00:29:50.258 --> 00:29:52.018
Kal-El is a bastard child.

00:29:52.018 --> 00:29:53.417
It's a shotgun wedding.

00:29:53.726 --> 00:29:55.488
the last bastard of Krypton.

00:29:55.488 --> 00:29:56.328
Here's what I want to know.

00:29:56.328 --> 00:30:07.548
This is a brief segue, but I do want to know how Millie Alcock's Kara Zor-El Supergirl, you know, in the origin, her parents also ship her off to like look after Clark.

00:30:07.548 --> 00:30:08.230
Yeah.

00:30:08.230 --> 00:30:12.834
But in this, she looks like Millie looks significantly younger than Kal-El.

00:30:12.834 --> 00:30:13.420
Yeah.

00:30:13.420 --> 00:30:15.789
She's like early twenties.

00:30:16.205 --> 00:30:19.250
So I'm just curious how they're gonna sort of dance around that.

00:30:19.928 --> 00:30:40.028
From what I understand in all the Superman lore is that she was sent with him, but the problem was that because of explosions or there was some kind of like took a longer route and she was like, because of like, you know, relative like like time dilation in space, she is younger.

00:30:40.028 --> 00:30:41.675
She arrived years after.

00:30:41.675 --> 00:30:43.037
You might be correct on that.

00:30:43.037 --> 00:30:43.467
think you're right.

00:30:43.467 --> 00:30:43.676
Yeah.

00:30:43.676 --> 00:30:44.386
I think you're right on that.

00:30:44.386 --> 00:30:51.670
She does often appear or like is actually younger than Clark in most iterations, but she is technically older, which is interesting.

00:30:51.869 --> 00:31:04.715
I want to say really quickly, going back to James Gunn, let me ask you, Aaron, what in terms of James Gunn's recent work, I think it's fair to say that this is a pretty good movie, but does this, and I know you're a big fan of the guardians films.

00:31:04.715 --> 00:31:07.017
I think you like suicide squad.

00:31:07.136 --> 00:31:10.258
Where is this sort of laying within?

00:31:10.347 --> 00:31:13.617
And I'll even throw Scooby Doo and Slytherin Super in there if you want to.

00:31:13.617 --> 00:31:17.226
But like, where does this land in terms of like James Gunn's filmography?

00:31:17.226 --> 00:31:20.642
Is this something that you consider an upper echelon James Gunn film?

00:31:20.642 --> 00:31:21.741
Yeah.

00:31:21.762 --> 00:31:22.103
Yeah.

00:31:22.103 --> 00:31:30.989
I mean, it's definitely, um, I would have to like, kind of rank rank rank, um, guardians of the galaxy is kind of like their own like package deal.

00:31:30.989 --> 00:31:35.571
Um, but I would say that like Superman.

00:31:36.112 --> 00:31:47.440
So I would say, I would say like guardians of the galaxy would be like number one, it's still kind of is like the best for me because I, know, one through three, two is meh one and three to me were like, we're really amazing, emotional, all that stuff.

00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:50.741
and then I would say below that is Superman.

00:31:50.816 --> 00:31:54.540
And then right below that is like Suicide Squad.

00:31:54.705 --> 00:31:56.034
Suicide Squad.

00:31:56.034 --> 00:31:56.615
Yeah.

00:31:56.615 --> 00:31:57.444
Yeah, I agree.

00:31:57.444 --> 00:31:57.923
I will.

00:31:57.923 --> 00:32:01.428
My only differ is that I think Guardians one is a the perfect MCU film.

00:32:01.428 --> 00:32:05.461
It's like it's safe in all the right ways, but it's more again, punk rock.

00:32:05.461 --> 00:32:10.213
That's what James Gunn does really well as he integrates a lot of his own personal taste and his friends.

00:32:10.213 --> 00:32:15.729
And like he, feel like he just is like the best person to work with or one of the best people to work with in Hollywood.

00:32:15.729 --> 00:32:17.289
He gets emotion.

00:32:17.289 --> 00:32:28.442
Like all of his films have an emotional through line that is very resident and like it's always like found family and you blood, water, water is thicker than blood and all these things like it's no one is unredeemable.

00:32:28.442 --> 00:32:29.714
It's bad people doing good things.

00:32:29.714 --> 00:32:30.928
It's good people doing bad things.

00:32:30.928 --> 00:32:32.448
Like it's all very new on.

00:32:32.448 --> 00:32:34.519
And he's like, he's a human being.

00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:43.563
James Gunn is an absolute like human being who is not a terrible person, who has not been in like just overwhelmed by all the money and all the fame and all the glory.

00:32:43.563 --> 00:32:46.244
And he is doing it like as a fan and as a person.

00:32:46.244 --> 00:32:48.076
And one thing is absolutely clear.

00:32:48.076 --> 00:32:49.357
He is a pet lover.

00:32:49.357 --> 00:32:50.490
Yeah, he definitely is.

00:32:50.490 --> 00:32:52.104
Yeah.

00:32:52.246 --> 00:32:54.240
Speaking of which, go ahead and talk about Uzu.

00:32:54.241 --> 00:33:13.993
Well, I was going to say, because like one of the things that I absolutely love, not just, uh, Ozu who is so James gun, modeled crypto after Ozu, whom he adopted during COVID, which 2022, uh, from a shelter gun is, you know, he's regularly shared, shared photos of the dog and he's promoted hashtag adopt don't shop.

00:33:13.993 --> 00:33:18.896
And I, from what I understand, he actually like, what do you call it?

00:33:18.896 --> 00:33:21.089
Like, like dot what's that dot thing?

00:33:21.089 --> 00:33:26.678
Like he basically used like Ozu was crypto in like a a dot whatever.

00:33:26.678 --> 00:33:36.660
like every sense of the word outside of the look like Ozzie has like sort of a dirty blonde black look to him, but like the ear bend the overall size of the dog.

00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:43.251
I don't actually I think I don't know what Ozzie actually is in terms of breed, but like it is crypto except for crypto wears a cape and his wife.

00:33:43.251 --> 00:33:48.365
You know, because James Gunn has gone on the record saying that Ozu is a is a bad dog.

00:33:48.365 --> 00:33:52.156
He's a good dog, but he just he is he is not well behaved.

00:33:52.156 --> 00:33:57.128
this is perfect example is is crypto in this film.

00:33:57.169 --> 00:33:59.520
Some of the most sweet scenes are with crypto.

00:33:59.520 --> 00:34:01.912
Some of the hardest scenes to watch are with crypto.

00:34:01.912 --> 00:34:14.635
uh But, you know, for the reason of him doing all this stuff with animals, you know, at one point in twenty three, Pete actually declared James Gunn as being their person of year.

00:34:14.635 --> 00:34:19.496
um And again, Ozzy served as the redesign for pretty much all of crypto.

00:34:19.496 --> 00:34:34.449
The interesting thing also is like, knew watching this film that James Gunn is like a uh animal person, a pet person, because very few movies have you ever seen so many shots of people like rescuing their pets in a time of emergency.

00:34:34.449 --> 00:34:39.317
Like you got an old lady getting on a bus with like her turtles in a little plastic container.

00:34:39.317 --> 00:34:42.742
Some ladies carrying her cat and some guy has got his dog.

00:34:42.742 --> 00:34:49.429
So it's like, you could tell that just by those small little details that he gives a shit about animals.

00:34:49.461 --> 00:34:54.684
I think this has been maybe James Gunn's central pillar of his career.

00:34:54.684 --> 00:35:00.907
mean, again, you go back to Scooby Doo, who is like treated as a normal character in that movie.

00:35:01.007 --> 00:35:05.949
You've got obviously Rocket Raccoon, although often called a pet or a panda.

00:35:05.949 --> 00:35:07.710
He is trash panda.

00:35:07.710 --> 00:35:10.280
You know, he he is like seen as a normal human.

00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.262
And I think Guardians of the Galaxy volume three is the perfect sort of ensemble of that idea.

00:35:14.262 --> 00:35:17.739
Like, you know, real kick in the heart.

00:35:17.739 --> 00:35:23.934
like type of movie, but, and then of course, like suicide squad, rat catcher, a great example of someone who was just an absolute animal lover.

00:35:23.934 --> 00:35:31.688
uh, peacemaker with eagerly like, yeah, it's all very in your face that like James gun is clearly an animal person.

00:35:31.688 --> 00:35:45.358
And I want to just sort of briefly touch on two things that we're not going to spend a ton of time on, but I just want to say, I do not care what Fox news or Trump says about this film because they get angry every single time that gene came.

00:35:45.358 --> 00:35:51.117
or Dean Cain, anybody there on the far right that like is like bad mouthing this movie.

00:35:51.117 --> 00:35:53.577
First of all, you've never read a Superman comic in your life.

00:35:53.577 --> 00:35:58.478
Secondly, you only talk about this shit when it's like performative and part of your agenda.

00:35:58.478 --> 00:36:08.577
And then also I will say that like James Gunn in the 2012s, of course, like most folks on the internet was sort of an edge Lord would say crazy shit to get likes.

00:36:08.577 --> 00:36:15.277
it's hard to think back to the internet at that time, like on like Facebook and Twitter.

00:36:15.277 --> 00:36:21.161
We're like, this shit was so normal to just go off and say some half-cocked, terrible shit on the internet.

00:36:21.161 --> 00:36:22.402
And people were just like, that's funny.

00:36:22.402 --> 00:36:25.224
Like, you know, that's honestly what the internet was.

00:36:25.224 --> 00:36:27.706
And it's hard to look, like look back on those tweets.

00:36:27.706 --> 00:36:45.090
And I'm not excusing what he said, cause some of that shit is pretty heinous, but like, I truly believe knowing, I don't know James Gunn, but like knowing his work, being a long time fan of his and like following his career, following him as a person, it is so obvious that he is not the person that like was, he was like working in the Tromo.

00:36:45.090 --> 00:36:54.364
kind of arena of like toxic Avenger, sort of like over abundance of like violence and horribleness, but like it's all out of like comedy.

00:36:54.364 --> 00:36:59.083
You know, it's hard to explain that to like people like grandma and grandpa that watch Fox news, but like that's who it was.

00:36:59.083 --> 00:37:00.423
That's who he was at the time.

00:37:00.536 --> 00:37:12.989
think that's, know, James Gunn is one of those people that is the perfect example of the fact that people say dumb shit online sometimes and they are not always that person.

00:37:12.989 --> 00:37:26.202
know, like they and it is forget like there's some things that you can't like there's some things that like when you're younger, you say like you say dumb shit and it's like if you put it out in the world, like that's probably something like a racist child would say or like and you might still be racist.

00:37:26.202 --> 00:37:28.094
You know, it's like stuff that we have to really think about.

00:37:28.094 --> 00:37:29.902
But like just saying dumb shit.

00:37:29.902 --> 00:37:36.902
Like this, like I'll be honest, when I was like really young and I first started learning about the internet, I made a website that was called I Hate Canada.

00:37:37.822 --> 00:37:51.139
I mean, I think we were all so immature Canadian, you know, so like obviously I've changed so I don't even know if she knows that it was like a stupid thing because I was just trying to be funny I was trying to create a website like any it's edgy, you know, and we do dumb shit as kids.

00:37:51.139 --> 00:37:53.670
So like, yeah, he's like look at him now.

00:37:53.670 --> 00:37:55.001
He's redeemed himself.

00:37:55.202 --> 00:38:00.704
think it was like not even necessarily a maturity of age, it's an immaturity of the platform.

00:38:00.704 --> 00:38:10.867
Like the Internet was this very, I mean, the Internet had been around for a long time at that point in like the 2010s, but like convenient Internet where it was in our pocket at all times.

00:38:10.867 --> 00:38:12.186
That was a very new thing.

00:38:12.186 --> 00:38:15.708
And like a lot of us have like stupid shit that pops into our brains.

00:38:15.708 --> 00:38:18.378
And at that time, we all just put it on the Internet.

00:38:18.378 --> 00:38:22.838
And unfortunately, we didn't remember or didn't think that like the Internet was forever.

00:38:22.838 --> 00:38:23.679
Oopsie.

00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:24.298
is.

00:38:24.298 --> 00:38:25.400
It is forever.

00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:26.860
Like it will live there forever.

00:38:26.860 --> 00:38:30.762
And people will bring that shit up when, you know, you're starting to get success.

00:38:30.762 --> 00:38:36.985
It happened with James Gunn when he was doing Guardians 2 going into Guardians 3 and Marvel fired him for like a good amount of time.

00:38:36.985 --> 00:38:39.927
And luckily he came back to do the Christmas special in volume three.

00:38:39.927 --> 00:38:51.764
But like, I firmly believe that if James Gunn, that, if Marvel and Disney had not fired him the way they did at it, like half cocked out of nowhere, gave into the incels and just fired him.

00:38:51.918 --> 00:38:54.197
James Gunn would still be at Marvel right now.

00:38:54.197 --> 00:38:58.838
He would not be doing this movie, which, know, blessing in disguise, I guess, because we got this movie.

00:38:59.257 --> 00:39:03.918
So moving on here, let's talk about the composers, John Murphy and David Fleming.

00:39:03.998 --> 00:39:10.077
This is the first film for Superman film since Superman returns in 2006 to utilize John Williams main theme.

00:39:10.237 --> 00:39:13.157
This is obviously iconic.

00:39:13.237 --> 00:39:14.838
This is like one of those themes.

00:39:14.838 --> 00:39:19.177
John Williams Superman theme is just like that should be Superman's theme.

00:39:19.177 --> 00:39:19.737
Yeah.

00:39:19.737 --> 00:39:21.175
In every iteration.

00:39:21.175 --> 00:39:25.268
Cartoon, comic, movie, radio serial.

00:39:25.268 --> 00:39:29.461
should just be dun dun dun dun dun dun dun.

00:39:29.461 --> 00:39:30.463
Like always.

00:39:30.463 --> 00:39:31.393
It's just, it's the same.

00:39:31.393 --> 00:39:35.237
Like I kind of think the same thing about like Batman with Danny Elfman's theme.

00:39:35.237 --> 00:39:38.119
It should just a Danny Elfman, our Spider-Man theme.

00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.199
Like there are just certain themes.

00:39:40.740 --> 00:39:42.442
It's mostly John Williams, honestly.

00:39:42.442 --> 00:39:48.503
And Danny Elfman's Batman, by the way.

00:39:48.503 --> 00:39:50.385
So like, yeah.

00:39:50.385 --> 00:39:59.918
But like, composition behind this film was so good.

00:39:59.918 --> 00:40:02.219
The soundtrack was amazing.

00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:21.621
But just from the very beginning, when like, you know, The intro to this movie, when it talks about like 300 years, know, 30 years or three decades, it's it's just like, and then the moment where we first see that like full closeup of the Superman S and then it goes into the, it goes into the theme.

00:40:21.621 --> 00:40:29.768
was like so beautiful, bad-ass and just bussin'.

00:40:30.485 --> 00:40:33.987
That's it gives the Aaron gives that four out of five bussens.

00:40:34.768 --> 00:40:35.639
Yeah.

00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:41.373
think it's a perfect sort of levy of homage and recreation.

00:40:41.373 --> 00:40:41.693
Right.

00:40:41.693 --> 00:40:42.074
Yeah.

00:40:42.074 --> 00:40:50.320
I think you could say the same thing about the way the suit looks, the way David Cornswett plays the role of Clark Kent Superman, which we'll talk about here in just a moment.

00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:56.045
It's all pulling from very specific parts, but also very much its own version at the same time.

00:40:56.045 --> 00:40:56.925
Let's.

00:40:57.626 --> 00:40:58.565
Okay.

00:40:59.208 --> 00:41:00.726
How did you feel about the suit?

00:41:00.726 --> 00:41:01.626
Love it.

00:41:01.867 --> 00:41:03.858
I love the, I love the creases.

00:41:03.858 --> 00:41:05.389
I love the color scheme.

00:41:05.389 --> 00:41:06.630
I love the trunks.

00:41:06.630 --> 00:41:07.742
I love the S on the back.

00:41:07.742 --> 00:41:15.679
We'll talk about a little bit of that here in just a moment, but like every part of it worked for me because it, the whole like Henry Cavill being sewed into his suit.

00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:16.018
Yeah.

00:41:16.018 --> 00:41:16.739
It looks cool.

00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:22.043
Like on a static image, but when he's walking around, he looks like a Dorito, like he's like triangle up.

00:41:22.043 --> 00:41:22.574
You know what mean?

00:41:22.574 --> 00:41:24.186
Like he can't move his arms.

00:41:24.186 --> 00:41:27.739
He's all like his elbows are pointing out when he's wearing the suit.

00:41:27.739 --> 00:41:27.996
You know?

00:41:27.996 --> 00:41:28.429
Yeah.

00:41:28.429 --> 00:41:35.063
Like It honestly could be Henry Cavill's like lats that are just so jacked from him doing some curls off screen.

00:41:35.063 --> 00:41:44.248
shotgun the shotgun fist that's yeah But like this seems so much more practical and David Cornsworth's a fucking unit in this movie.

00:41:44.248 --> 00:41:49.023
He's 240 pounds like he gained 30 pounds for this role, but it looks realistic.

00:41:49.068 --> 00:41:52.860
Yeah, the suit is practical.

00:41:53.101 --> 00:41:54.072
It makes sense.

00:41:54.072 --> 00:41:55.063
The lines are there.

00:41:55.063 --> 00:41:57.204
It has almost this.

00:41:59.777 --> 00:42:05.980
It's hard to put it into words, but it's it's designed to be what it is.

00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.099
And it looks good.

00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:19.514
I was actually very, very hesitant on, like, because I kept looking at the suit from different angles when I was watching the movie, like, and like one particular scene where he was kind of like, I think he was in in Mr.

00:42:19.514 --> 00:42:20.353
Terrific Saucer.

00:42:20.353 --> 00:42:27.365
He's just like sitting there and he kind of just like, you know, I was like, at that moment, the color, it was just like the colors that were popping.

00:42:27.365 --> 00:42:33.206
And then, The only thing that kind of threw me off was throughout this movie, he's like flying through fire.

00:42:33.206 --> 00:42:34.577
He's like getting his ass kicked.

00:42:34.577 --> 00:42:35.208
There's blood.

00:42:35.208 --> 00:42:35.570
There's this.

00:42:35.570 --> 00:42:38.634
And then the next scene, it would be like almost brand new again.

00:42:38.789 --> 00:42:41.891
Yeah, that's actually very, very apparent at the very end of the film.

00:42:41.891 --> 00:42:42.742
Yeah.

00:42:42.742 --> 00:42:46.014
He gets the laser beams, Ultraman beams him in the face.

00:42:46.014 --> 00:42:48.574
He's all dirty from the fight against the Raptors.

00:42:48.574 --> 00:42:51.295
And then like the next scene where Lois and him are kissing and floating.

00:42:51.295 --> 00:42:52.016
Yeah.

00:42:52.016 --> 00:42:52.927
Fully cleans.

00:42:52.927 --> 00:42:55.554
Like did he go through a car wash or like what happened?

00:42:55.554 --> 00:43:03.150
Maybe when he was spinning he spun fast enough that the dirt just went whee! to just like dove into the Atlantic Ocean, like pop back out.

00:43:03.150 --> 00:43:04.070
We don't know what happened.

00:43:04.070 --> 00:43:05.050
We don't know.

00:43:05.070 --> 00:43:13.797
That's, and I think, so I think for me, that was really one of the things I would just say, um the suit, yes, looked great.

00:43:13.797 --> 00:43:16.119
I liked how the trunks weren't just like underwear.

00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:17.860
They were actually like trunks.

00:43:17.860 --> 00:43:20.483
um The belt looked good.

00:43:20.483 --> 00:43:28.210
The suit, the lines, the design, the color, even the way that the emblem in his chest was just kind of like almost just a part of it.

00:43:28.210 --> 00:43:31.032
It didn't necessarily have like all of that like.

00:43:31.032 --> 00:43:32.228
texturization to it.

00:43:32.228 --> 00:43:34.280
It just kind of felt like it was part of the suit.

00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:35.965
I thought that that was really cool.

00:43:36.074 --> 00:43:36.795
interesting.

00:43:36.795 --> 00:43:47.065
So all transitioning off that Aaron, I would love for you to talk about how David Corn sweat, Rachel Brosnahan and Nicholas Holt sort of gotten their got sort of got their role.

00:43:47.065 --> 00:43:50.920
And then also like it also there's a little bit about this, uh the suit as well.

00:43:50.989 --> 00:43:51.769
Okay.

00:43:51.909 --> 00:43:58.610
So really, Cornslet became a top contender for Superman in 23 and was set to do a screen test early June.

00:43:58.809 --> 00:44:06.550
Jacob Lordy, Tom Brittney and Andrew Richardson were also in consideration through though Lordy declined to read for the role.

00:44:06.550 --> 00:44:11.050
Patrick Schwarzenegger, which I don't think would have been a great fit for this.

00:44:11.050 --> 00:44:19.853
The Arrowverse series, Supergirl guest star, Pearson Foday and Jack Quaid, which I love Jack Quaid.

00:44:19.853 --> 00:44:23.021
But I don't think Jack Quaid could have pulled this off in any shape or form.

00:44:23.021 --> 00:44:25.981
It's the curls, You gotta have the curl in the front.

00:44:25.981 --> 00:44:29.342
It's gotta be black, sort of Italian, straight hair on top.

00:44:29.342 --> 00:44:33.710
You also can't, like Jack Quaid is purely a blonde.

00:44:33.710 --> 00:44:34.289
Right.

00:44:34.289 --> 00:44:39.170
Well, to be fair, Clark has that sort of curly head.

00:44:39.170 --> 00:44:40.590
has like a mop.

00:44:40.849 --> 00:44:41.489
Right.

00:44:41.489 --> 00:44:41.873
Yeah.

00:44:41.873 --> 00:44:44.519
And I don't think Jack Quaid would look good as a brunette.

00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:44.860
Sure.

00:44:44.860 --> 00:44:47.873
um He's an autumn, know, he's not a summer.

00:44:47.873 --> 00:44:54.697
So Jack Wade, the voice of Superman in the animated series, My Adventures with Superman, which I actually did not know from 2023 till now.

00:44:54.697 --> 00:44:56.898
They all submitted self tapes for Superman.

00:44:56.898 --> 00:45:03.643
uh Emma Mackey, Rachel Brosnahan, Samara Weaving and Phoebe Dynavor tested for Lane.

00:45:03.643 --> 00:45:06.403
Dynavor was one of the final contests or contenders for it.

00:45:06.403 --> 00:45:11.367
Brosnahan made an audition tape with her husband, Jason Ralph, who reads Superman's lines.

00:45:11.367 --> 00:45:17.326
uh then Nicholas Holt, who, you know, he was the runner up to play Bruce Wayne.

00:45:17.326 --> 00:45:24.405
Which is interesting about my In Matt Reeves is the Batman film from 22.

00:45:24.405 --> 00:45:31.731
He was actually in contention with Gotta have a scars guard Alexander scars guard I'm close to having two scars guards in this.

00:45:32.137 --> 00:45:37.221
and Bill scars guard for Luther, but actually chose to pursue the role of Superman instead.

00:45:37.221 --> 00:45:45.626
Gunn considered a list actors he had already worked with for Luther such as Bradley Cooper and Bryan Cranston with Holt ultimately winning out.

00:45:45.626 --> 00:45:48.057
Can you imagine Bradley Cooper as Luther?

00:45:48.057 --> 00:45:50.268
That would have been, I would say that would have been pretty good.

00:45:50.268 --> 00:45:50.809
I think.

00:45:50.809 --> 00:45:51.384
Yeah.

00:45:51.384 --> 00:45:54.418
don't want to see I don't want to see Bradley Cooper bald I think.

00:45:54.418 --> 00:45:59.750
uh thing that makes you uncomfortable is Bradley Cooper in a bald cap.

00:45:59.750 --> 00:46:02.295
I mean, Ryan Cranston bald as Walter White.

00:46:02.295 --> 00:46:03.195
So.

00:46:03.617 --> 00:46:08.556
So exactly Rangers, I need your help.

00:46:10.047 --> 00:46:11.429
Use the morphing grid.

00:46:11.429 --> 00:46:26.121
um The Superman crest is actually based on Alex Ross's original design, which is amazing because I think Alex Ross does some of the best Superman work.

00:46:26.483 --> 00:46:31.648
know, basically from his original design from Kingdom Come, which Chris, you love Kingdom Come.

00:46:31.648 --> 00:46:34.458
uh You also love those separately.

00:46:34.458 --> 00:46:45.728
But filled with yellow instead of black, the design was previously featured on the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover with Brandon Ruth reprising his role from Superman Returns.

00:46:47.771 --> 00:46:54.338
The new cinematic Glyph also sports a yellow border reminiscent of Superman's 30s and 40s era appearances according to James Gunn.

00:46:54.338 --> 00:46:58.670
The costume is made out of real texture rather than inks.

00:46:58.670 --> 00:46:59.170
So there you go.

00:46:59.170 --> 00:47:05.525
There's the answer for that S and why it looks so much like it should be included in the, in the suit, the way it is.

00:47:05.954 --> 00:47:10.014
I also love that this is also the first Superman movie since Superman four.

00:47:10.014 --> 00:47:10.746
I was wrong.

00:47:10.746 --> 00:47:13.677
It's Superman four, the quest for peace from.

00:47:13.677 --> 00:47:15.019
People have already left their comment, Aaron.

00:47:15.019 --> 00:47:16.664
They've already said, like, God damn.

00:47:16.664 --> 00:47:22.594
such an idiot in which Superman sports a yellow s symbol on the back of his cape Yeah.

00:47:22.594 --> 00:47:23.014
All right.

00:47:23.014 --> 00:47:23.893
Let's talk about the budget.

00:47:23.893 --> 00:47:25.054
$225 million.

00:47:25.054 --> 00:47:26.554
Pretty standard superhero stuff there.

00:47:26.554 --> 00:47:28.114
That's your modern blockbuster.

00:47:28.114 --> 00:47:32.034
You know, Aaron, it's 175 to 225 in that range.

00:47:32.034 --> 00:47:34.974
You know, Disney, Marvel, DC.

00:47:35.134 --> 00:47:37.474
That's that's the basic range.

00:47:37.474 --> 00:47:37.974
Box office.

00:47:37.974 --> 00:47:38.974
Let's talk about the box office.

00:47:38.974 --> 00:47:46.173
And I know, Aaron, you generally don't care about this, but I think it's interesting because again, as we said, this movie is competing with the Jurassic World rebirth.

00:47:46.173 --> 00:47:49.173
Fantastic Four, First Steps, F1.

00:47:49.322 --> 00:47:53.766
Yeah, generally I don't necessarily care about this only because I don't care about what a movie makes.

00:47:53.766 --> 00:48:09.983
But in this case, as we as we've discussed over the last few episodes with our own something like internal competition between the major side bet uh for this and you know, Fantastic Four and like you Jurassic World.

00:48:09.983 --> 00:48:11.384
So it does it does.

00:48:11.384 --> 00:48:13.326
uh I am invested.

00:48:13.326 --> 00:48:13.806
Sure.

00:48:13.806 --> 00:48:18.132
And I just, just to like reiterate, Aaron believes that it's going to go.

00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:22.449
Superman Fantastic Four Jurassic Park.

00:48:22.581 --> 00:48:24.077
In that order in the box office.

00:48:24.077 --> 00:48:26.358
In that order, number one, Superman.

00:48:26.358 --> 00:48:27.130
Yes.

00:48:27.585 --> 00:48:34.311
And I'm saying that it's going to be Jurassic World, then Superman, then Fantastic Four, I think in a distant third.

00:48:34.311 --> 00:48:42.876
So which is kind of a bummer, but I firmly believe that people just fucking will come out in droves for an average Jurassic Park movie like this movie.

00:48:42.876 --> 00:48:47.460
Like Superman could have been a perfect five out of five film and people will still go see Jurassic World.

00:48:47.460 --> 00:48:52.222
And I think at the time of this recording, Jurassic World is sitting at about three hundred eighty seven million.

00:48:52.222 --> 00:49:03.601
And then going into Superman here, according to the Thursday previews, which would include the uh Tuesday Amazon Prime screenings, the film made 200, or excuse me, $22.5 million.

00:49:03.601 --> 00:49:11.686
This is the best preview box office of any film released in the year 2025 as well as a record for a film directed by James Gunn.

00:49:11.985 --> 00:49:21.831
The film is currently projected to make 115 to $121 million domestic box office in its opening weekend with over $210 million worldwide as well at the time of this recording.

00:49:21.831 --> 00:49:26.797
The film made $56.5 million in its first day, the second highest of 2025.

00:49:26.797 --> 00:49:28.358
just behind Minecraft movie.

00:49:28.358 --> 00:49:30.438
think it's 60 million, if I'm not mistaken.

00:49:30.458 --> 00:49:35.858
So if Superman hits that $210 million range, which we're thinking it should, I think it's got good word of mouth.

00:49:35.858 --> 00:49:37.177
I people are excited about it.

00:49:37.177 --> 00:49:39.557
Some people are seeing it twice like myself.

00:49:39.557 --> 00:49:43.137
It will probably hit that 210 million benchmark.

00:49:43.157 --> 00:49:54.077
It will be Zack Snyder's 2013 Man of Steel at 116.7 million and Batman V Superman Donald Justice at 166.6 million over Easter weekend of 2016.

00:49:54.077 --> 00:49:58.829
And it will rank as the highest domestic launch ever of a live action Superman film.

00:49:58.829 --> 00:50:00.525
So pretty confident in that.

00:50:00.525 --> 00:50:01.365
Yeah.

00:50:01.365 --> 00:50:10.106
we, this movie, okay, again, you said projected to make 100, between 115 and 121 million during its opening weekend.

00:50:10.726 --> 00:50:19.510
So like we're talking, we, is the opening weekend like the first five, like the first five days, that, does the first opening weekend consider that five day opening?

00:50:19.510 --> 00:50:21.375
It's Thursday through Sunday.

00:50:21.375 --> 00:50:23.001
That's okay.

00:50:23.001 --> 00:50:26.599
And also Tuesday in this particular setting with Superman.

00:50:26.702 --> 00:50:27.422
Okay.

00:50:27.422 --> 00:50:29.541
So yeah.

00:50:29.541 --> 00:50:37.702
So I guess Jurassic world did in the, in the five day opening 147.3 million.

00:50:37.742 --> 00:50:38.101
Right.

00:50:38.101 --> 00:50:38.782
Yeah.

00:50:38.782 --> 00:50:42.675
So here's the thing, you gotta think worldwide is the more important thing.

00:50:42.675 --> 00:50:45.737
Jurassic World is bigger worldwide.

00:50:46.077 --> 00:50:49.717
I actually have a side bet as well with Greg Lictide, good friend of the show over at the First Asia Club.

00:50:49.717 --> 00:50:52.679
He actually has the same exact rank as you, Aaron.

00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.510
He thinks that Superman, and I get it, everyone's excited.

00:50:55.510 --> 00:50:56.771
I clearly really like this movie.

00:50:56.771 --> 00:51:02.143
think Superman fans, superhero fans, modern audiences are excited by this movie.

00:51:02.143 --> 00:51:05.824
Here's the thing, everyone loves Jurassic Park.

00:51:05.824 --> 00:51:11.527
Even though Aaron and I haven't seen it, and I think most people, Like grandma and grandpa are gonna go see Jurassic Park over Superman.

00:51:11.608 --> 00:51:12.608
That's just the way it is.

00:51:12.608 --> 00:51:21.235
Unfortunately, even though that movie, from what I understand, is pretty average, dinosaurs killing humans is more interesting than The Man of Tomorrow.

00:51:21.235 --> 00:51:23.331
Let's just wait and see.

00:51:23.693 --> 00:51:27.293
And here's the thing, like Superman could very well gain momentum.

00:51:27.293 --> 00:51:31.733
Like it could do a centers and it could like have a bigger second weekend than it did his first.

00:51:31.733 --> 00:51:33.054
But like that's extremely rare.

00:51:33.054 --> 00:51:39.454
Centers is like one of the only movies to ever do that to where the second, the second week is, you know, higher than the first week.

00:51:39.954 --> 00:51:40.813
Why?

00:51:41.514 --> 00:51:42.114
Why?

00:51:42.153 --> 00:51:43.873
Just the Kug, man.

00:51:45.393 --> 00:51:47.713
Oh man, I'm telling you.

00:51:47.833 --> 00:51:53.193
But like Jurassic Park did fall off in its second weekend because it was still playing this week during Superman.

00:51:53.260 --> 00:51:54.811
Obviously Superman finished first.

00:51:54.811 --> 00:52:01.155
So we'll know a lot more going into like the end of the month, like around San Diego Comic-Con, we'll check back.

00:52:01.155 --> 00:52:04.757
And then I like genuinely, I don't think Fantastic Four is even going to be in the running.

00:52:04.757 --> 00:52:06.728
Like I'm excited for it, Aaron.

00:52:06.728 --> 00:52:07.858
I think you're excited for it.

00:52:07.858 --> 00:52:11.500
I think most folks listening to this conversation is excited for Fantastic Four.

00:52:12.121 --> 00:52:18.505
The MCU does not have enough goodwill at the moment to do Superman slash Jurassic world numbers.

00:52:18.505 --> 00:52:19.465
It's just not going to happen.

00:52:19.465 --> 00:52:21.346
So Aaron, let's go.

00:52:21.403 --> 00:52:25.726
It's going to be lucky if it's better than if it does better than Thunderbolts.

00:52:26.431 --> 00:52:27.063
Yeah.

00:52:27.063 --> 00:52:31.684
I, well, yeah, I think that if it hits $500 million, that is a huge win for the MCU.

00:52:31.684 --> 00:52:37.018
that's like really sad because this is like, Let's just make profitability here.

00:52:37.018 --> 00:52:38.157
Can we please be profitable?

00:52:38.157 --> 00:52:39.117
Yeah.

00:52:39.117 --> 00:52:42.097
Can we do, you know, again, double the budget.

00:52:42.097 --> 00:52:43.518
It's times to the budget, right?

00:52:43.518 --> 00:52:45.398
And these movies again, $200 million.

00:52:45.518 --> 00:52:50.797
And with some marketing in there, $500 million, you're making your money back at the minimum.

00:52:51.577 --> 00:52:53.197
So, Aaron, let's talk about the cast here.

00:52:53.197 --> 00:52:54.465
And man, is this a good cast.

00:52:54.465 --> 00:52:54.786
Yes.

00:52:54.786 --> 00:52:55.465
All right.

00:52:55.465 --> 00:52:58.557
Uh, David corn sweat or, or, you know, big blue.

00:52:58.557 --> 00:53:02.869
Oh, get super bad.

00:53:03.570 --> 00:53:05.811
Rachel Brosnan is lowest lane.

00:53:05.811 --> 00:53:07.902
You might know her from, the marvelous Ms.

00:53:07.902 --> 00:53:08.512
Maisel.

00:53:08.512 --> 00:53:08.992
Yes.

00:53:08.992 --> 00:53:13.518
Uh, Nicholas Holt as Lex Luther, AKA first-class beast.

00:53:13.518 --> 00:53:15.284
You also may know him as Renfield.

00:53:15.726 --> 00:53:16.186
Oh yeah.

00:53:16.186 --> 00:53:17.346
And Renfield.

00:53:18.085 --> 00:53:20.626
You know, that's things that fall off my brain.

00:53:20.666 --> 00:53:24.106
Uh, Edie, I feel like that's how I'm supposed to say it.

00:53:24.326 --> 00:53:25.045
Okay.

00:53:25.045 --> 00:53:25.726
Yeah.

00:53:25.905 --> 00:53:29.045
Uh, as Michael Holt, Mr.

00:53:29.045 --> 00:53:40.798
Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, Edie, We're going to talk about our favorite characters in this movie.

00:53:40.798 --> 00:53:44.619
I think it's pretty safe to assume that like he's a highlight for sure.

00:53:44.619 --> 00:53:44.920
Yeah.

00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:45.269
Yeah.

00:53:45.269 --> 00:53:46.610
Uh, Nathan Fillion.

00:53:46.610 --> 00:53:47.670
We all know and love him.

00:53:47.670 --> 00:53:54.655
Uh, as Guy Gardner, uh, Green Lantern, Isabella Merkhead as Kendra Saunders, hot girl.

00:53:59.041 --> 00:54:00.039
Later.

00:54:02.992 --> 00:54:06.016
Skylar Gizando plays Jimmy Olsen.

00:54:06.016 --> 00:54:09.541
uh Maria Gabriela de Faria.

00:54:11.925 --> 00:54:14.298
Angelica Spica, the engineer.

00:54:14.298 --> 00:54:15.409
I'm sorry.

00:54:15.565 --> 00:54:16.965
Are you laughing at spiker?

00:54:16.965 --> 00:54:17.505
No.

00:54:17.505 --> 00:54:19.146
Maria Gabriella de Feria.

00:54:19.146 --> 00:54:21.389
uh That's just fun to say.

00:54:21.389 --> 00:54:25.251
you don't say Maria Gabriella de Feria, just, it's...

00:54:26.172 --> 00:54:27.333
Francisco.

00:54:27.333 --> 00:54:34.340
uh Anthony Kerrigan plays Rex Mason, Metamorpho, which we definitely need to talk about him more.

00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:38.382
Sarah Sempeo plays Eve Tesemacher, Mutant Toes.

00:54:38.382 --> 00:54:41.246
uh Wendell Pierce plays Perry White.

00:54:41.246 --> 00:54:43.556
Michaela Hoover as columnist Kat Grant.

00:54:43.556 --> 00:54:45.969
We got to talk about her because I have questions.

00:54:45.969 --> 00:54:47.039
Beck Bennett.

00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:48.822
as reporter Steve Lombard.

00:54:48.822 --> 00:54:49.932
hate that guy.

00:54:49.932 --> 00:54:56.137
Pruitt, Taylor Vince and Neva and Neva Howell respectively played Jonathan and Martha Kent.

00:54:56.137 --> 00:54:57.548
uh Frank Grillo.

00:54:57.548 --> 00:55:01.983
This is my face if you drop a building on it.

00:55:03.083 --> 00:55:07.286
Francis Roel as Argus director Rick Flagg Sr.

00:55:08.289 --> 00:55:12.492
And then brief appearances by Millie Alcock as uncredited cameo appearance.

00:55:12.492 --> 00:55:14.733
Superman's cousin Kara Zor-El.

00:55:14.762 --> 00:55:18.324
AKA Supergirl, a head of her own film in 2026.

00:55:18.324 --> 00:55:24.387
John Cena has an uncredited cameo appearance as Christopher Smith, Peace Faker.

00:55:27.070 --> 00:55:30.733
Sean Gunn has a cameo appearance as tech billionaire businessman.

00:55:30.733 --> 00:55:43.081
uh Maxwell Lord, the head of Lord Tech, who funds the corporate sponsored Justice Gang, who also, by the way, I think was also the creator of uh Lois's tape recorder.

00:55:43.081 --> 00:55:44.382
It was Lord Tech.

00:55:45.166 --> 00:55:58.637
um Bradley Cooper and Angela Sarah Sarah Sarah fine portray Superman's Kryptonian parents Jor-El and Laura Lorvan ah Laura Astor van Remember what I was saying?

00:55:58.637 --> 00:56:00.818
That it's weird that their last names aren't the same.

00:56:01.376 --> 00:56:02.835
They're more progressive, I think.

00:56:02.835 --> 00:56:04.597
Somebody, somebody Google that shit.

00:56:04.597 --> 00:56:09.490
One of the fans, one of the, one of the programs listeners, uh, Christopher Reeves, son, ABC news correspondent.

00:56:09.490 --> 00:56:12.063
Well, I did not even recognize.

00:56:12.724 --> 00:56:13.893
I did not pick that up.

00:56:13.893 --> 00:56:23.992
I knew he was, he had, was involved, but, and, I know that recently he put out a statement saying that, you know, James gun and like, you know, corn sweat, like they don't need the Reeves family's approval.

00:56:23.992 --> 00:56:25.452
I remember, like I saw that headline.

00:56:25.452 --> 00:56:30.342
uh We'll also interview David Corn sweat for ABC today as well.

00:56:30.342 --> 00:56:30.822
That's cool.

00:56:30.822 --> 00:56:32.268
Our more good morning today something like that.

00:56:32.268 --> 00:56:40.762
Yeah he makes a camera appearance as the on the ground news reporter Michael Rosenbaum, who previously portrayed Lex Luthor in Smallville.

00:56:47.063 --> 00:56:50.744
voices, of Luther's raptor guards missed that completely.

00:56:50.744 --> 00:56:51.657
That's incredible.

00:56:51.657 --> 00:56:52.349
I love that.

00:56:52.349 --> 00:56:58.791
Um, so of course, what diff quick before we get into all that I'm just curious what was your question about Metamorpho?

00:56:59.594 --> 00:57:02.498
Do you want to know who baby Jacob is or baby Joey excuse me?

00:57:02.498 --> 00:57:05.684
Baby, so that's, yes, answer that question.

00:57:05.684 --> 00:57:06.431
Okay.

00:57:06.431 --> 00:57:12.588
So baby Joey Joseph Mason is the son of Metamorpho and Sapphire Stag.

00:57:12.588 --> 00:57:16.673
Sapphire is actually the daughter of Simon Stag who's in charge of Stag Industries.

00:57:16.673 --> 00:57:20.938
He's a big villain for The Flash and other uh Silver Age DC heroes.

00:57:20.938 --> 00:57:29.492
That was a there was an easter egg of stag corporate or stag incorporate or whatever in this movie as well Yeah, I think it's stag industries or it could be incorporated in this universe.

00:57:29.492 --> 00:57:38.007
But I will say that like those two fell in love before Rex turned into Metamorpho and then they just stayed together, which is really beautiful.

00:57:38.007 --> 00:57:45.090
And then they had whenever Sapphire got pregnant, she gave birth to Joey and he came out looking the way he does.

00:57:45.250 --> 00:57:48.112
And he doesn't I don't know if he has any powers, to be honest.

00:57:48.112 --> 00:57:50.572
I'm actually almost positive he does.

00:57:50.572 --> 00:57:53.418
And you know how Metamorpho has the ability to change.

00:57:53.418 --> 00:57:57.380
elements like he can combine elements to turn himself into different things.

00:57:57.641 --> 00:57:58.938
Gas, yes or otherwise.

00:57:58.938 --> 00:58:03.367
I think Joey has the ability to change uh solid material.

00:58:03.367 --> 00:58:08.472
He has some kind of other transformative ability as a like a preteen.

00:58:08.472 --> 00:58:14.739
And I think in Canon, eventually at some point he is cured of his, uh, the sort of metamorpho look.

00:58:14.739 --> 00:58:16.030
Uh, Aaron, did you look it up there?

00:58:16.030 --> 00:58:16.800
you?

00:58:17.442 --> 00:58:18.222
Yeah.

00:58:18.222 --> 00:58:19.664
like a little goblin.

00:58:19.744 --> 00:58:27.269
Joey Mason, his name's Joey Mason, can alter the protonic makeup of any material, transforming them from one element into another, including living beings.

00:58:27.269 --> 00:58:35.195
This involves overcoming the strong nuclear force where protons are removed and the electromagnetic magnetic force where protons are added.

00:58:35.195 --> 00:58:37.637
He also has his weaknesses, power instability.

00:58:37.637 --> 00:58:41.000
Formerly being a norm newborn, he is not even aware of his ability.

00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:44.322
Only those who are genetically related can safely interact with him.

00:58:44.610 --> 00:58:45.271
Yeah.

00:58:45.271 --> 00:58:48.315
And I know eventually, like I said, he gets sort of a cure of that.

00:58:48.315 --> 00:58:53.612
know that Metamorpho is a like true blue golden slash Silver Age hero.

00:58:53.612 --> 00:58:55.485
He is like one of the DC.

00:58:55.661 --> 00:58:58.710
I always thought he was uh a villain.

00:58:59.481 --> 00:59:13.969
Well, it's interesting because in the animated series, he plays a very similar role as this movie where he starts off as sort of like a higher, like a fist for hire to sort of make money in order to get Sapphire and himself out of whatever city they're from.

00:59:13.969 --> 00:59:21.074
I'm spacing out the top of my head now, but uh he eventually sort of comes to grips and is like, Hey, I can actually be a hero.

00:59:21.074 --> 00:59:24.666
uh And then he like, I know he joins like Justice League International.

00:59:24.666 --> 00:59:26.237
He's part of the outsiders at one point.

00:59:26.237 --> 00:59:28.172
I he's a founding member, if I'm not mistaken.

00:59:28.172 --> 00:59:36.447
Like he's a really cool character and he's sort of, um, he's sort of like a, what's, what's a good comparison.

00:59:36.447 --> 00:59:44.641
I wanted to say Ben Grimm type where he's like just sort of ashamed of his ailments, but in reality he's more than he gives himself credit for.

00:59:45.070 --> 00:59:52.076
Regardless, you know, like, cause here's the thing, we live in a day and age now where heroes and villains are constantly being rewritten to be the opposite.

00:59:52.076 --> 00:59:56.639
And I think that regardless of where I saw him, I loved his character.

00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:58.121
I absolutely loved his character.

00:59:58.121 --> 01:00:06.106
The emotion that he evoked when, he was like in this movie, this, just the scenes, like, I feel like he really stole the scenes that he was in.

01:00:06.210 --> 01:00:07.958
And he did an amazing job.

01:00:07.958 --> 01:00:09.659
And, and yes, you're right.

01:00:09.659 --> 01:00:13.914
I looked it up and, and Joey is eventually cured of his goblinism.

01:00:13.914 --> 01:00:17.902
oh The other one was a cat grant.

01:00:17.902 --> 01:00:18.742
Yeah.

01:00:18.742 --> 01:00:19.802
What's your question?

01:00:20.141 --> 01:00:24.641
She's just a, you know, a columnist at the daily planet.

01:00:24.641 --> 01:00:34.501
She's sort of just a side character in most of the Superman mythos, but I think she's going to be a fan favorite going forward, mostly because of what's her name.

01:00:34.501 --> 01:00:36.021
Oh, what?

01:00:36.262 --> 01:00:40.202
No, because of why am I spacing your name?

01:00:40.382 --> 01:00:46.581
Oh, Michaela Hoover, who actually voices the rabbit in the Guardians of the Galaxy volume three as well.

01:00:46.581 --> 01:00:47.641
So.

01:00:48.784 --> 01:00:51.496
see if there's anybody else that I had questions about.

01:00:51.496 --> 01:00:53.318
want to just make sure I get them out of the way.

01:00:53.318 --> 01:00:54.518
We also know like the engineer.

01:00:54.518 --> 01:01:00.280
So Maria Gabriela de Freya will be in the authority film, obviously.

01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:03.052
supposed to happen like supposed to happen.

01:01:03.052 --> 01:01:03.592
We'll see.

01:01:03.592 --> 01:01:06.916
uh Can I give you a quick theory, Aaron, while you're thinking of a question?

01:01:07.717 --> 01:01:08.478
Send it.

01:01:08.478 --> 01:01:17.489
I will say that I think the Ultraman, the clone of Clark that gets thrown into a dark black hole.

01:01:17.489 --> 01:01:18.809
Here's my theory.

01:01:20.692 --> 01:01:21.373
Okay.

01:01:21.373 --> 01:01:23.014
What do you think it's going to be?

01:01:23.074 --> 01:01:24.557
I think he's gonna come back as Bizarro.

01:01:24.557 --> 01:01:25.197
Okay, perfect.

01:01:25.197 --> 01:01:25.398
Yeah.

01:01:25.398 --> 01:01:26.498
That's what I was going to say.

01:01:26.498 --> 01:01:28.938
It's almost like it's, it's gotta happen.

01:01:28.938 --> 01:01:29.297
Right?

01:01:29.297 --> 01:01:36.657
Like, I have a feeling that that version of, um, that version of David Corn sweats Bizarro is going to end up being the bad guy in super girl.

01:01:36.657 --> 01:01:39.898
And he's going to look all jacked up and hit and Lobo and super girl.

01:01:39.898 --> 01:01:41.518
I'm have to team up to take him out.

01:01:41.518 --> 01:01:43.878
And then he's going to like join the team.

01:01:43.878 --> 01:01:50.177
I think honestly, they're going to create like a little, like a very James gun coated, uh, uh, what do they call that?

01:01:50.177 --> 01:01:55.768
Like a band of misfits of Lobo Supergirl and Bizarro as a team together.

01:01:55.768 --> 01:01:57.063
think that'd be really cool.

01:01:57.121 --> 01:02:01.083
would be a fun like like almost you know that's the Justice Gang.

01:02:02.206 --> 01:02:12.121
No, I mean, I think everybody this is one of those rare occasions where everybody on the like the major cast list really held their own.

01:02:12.121 --> 01:02:14.923
Really held.

01:02:14.923 --> 01:02:26.572
There's not a single actor or character that was not flushed out in a necessary way and was not really given their moment in, you know, pun intended in the sun.

01:02:26.751 --> 01:02:37.510
And I really, like, really, God, like again, who, who for you really stood out like right, like right from the introduction of their character.

01:02:37.911 --> 01:02:41.094
Well, let me say really quickly, I'm just going to slightly challenge just a little bit on that.

01:02:41.094 --> 01:02:41.773
Cause I agree with you.

01:02:41.773 --> 01:02:42.905
It's a great cast.

01:02:42.905 --> 01:02:43.925
I love everyone on the role.

01:02:43.925 --> 01:02:45.365
I wanted to see more of everybody.

01:02:45.365 --> 01:02:48.307
There wasn't anyone in particular that I was kind of like, okay, get them off the screen.

01:02:48.307 --> 01:02:51.820
But there was, it's just packed a little too tight.

01:02:51.820 --> 01:02:57.893
I think if we could have just maybe took out two or three of these characters, maybe possibly we could have had a little more room to breathe.

01:02:57.893 --> 01:03:01.385
like, so for instance, like, uh, you know, Perry white, don't call me chief.

01:03:01.385 --> 01:03:03.576
Like more time with him would have been great.

01:03:03.576 --> 01:03:07.177
I didn't really know anything about Peck Beck Pruitt, Steve Lamber.

01:03:07.478 --> 01:03:10.684
I don't, you know, I don't, Frank Grillo is in the film for like two scenes.

01:03:10.684 --> 01:03:14.327
Um, you uh That's important for connective tissue.

01:03:14.327 --> 01:03:15.130
We already know that.

01:03:15.130 --> 01:03:17.557
He has to be there for that.

01:03:17.557 --> 01:03:18.278
Yeah, I agree.

01:03:18.278 --> 01:03:25.425
And it's sort of a larger DCU sort of Hawk Girl is another one that I think could have maybe used a little more screen time, but I get it.

01:03:25.425 --> 01:03:32.090
Hawk Girl, Hawk Man, both are like two of the most uh like the backstory for those two characters.

01:03:32.090 --> 01:03:40.257
Like if you were to separate each of their origin stories from the silver, the golden, modern, all the, you know, all of that, it is the most convoluted bullshit ever.

01:03:40.257 --> 01:03:44.860
Like those two characters specifically have the craziest backstories because they're all over the place.

01:03:44.860 --> 01:03:48.690
But to answer your original question, I don't want think about it too hard here.

01:03:48.690 --> 01:03:55.605
Like if I'm going to pick like a true blue spoilers for my answer, uh favorite character, it's Superman.

01:03:55.605 --> 01:03:59.918
Like David Cornsworth Superman, I think is like the perfect embodiment of the character.

01:03:59.918 --> 01:04:03.349
But if we're going for a dark horse, I don't think this is like a hot take, but Mr.

01:04:03.349 --> 01:04:04.059
Terrific, E.

01:04:04.059 --> 01:04:05.451
Giga Thedies, Mr.

01:04:05.451 --> 01:04:08.492
Terrific, uh Michael Holt is a true standout.

01:04:08.492 --> 01:04:09.543
And I think purposely so.

01:04:09.543 --> 01:04:13.885
He's really funny and like a real breath of fresh air in every scene he's in.

01:04:14.030 --> 01:04:23.610
I just did a quick, again, this is so interesting because again, I love the idea of what James Gunn is doing in this sandbox already.

01:04:23.610 --> 01:04:29.150
So I just did a quick Google search on Steve Lombard and his character, like the character of Steve Lombard.

01:04:29.150 --> 01:04:44.451
And apparently he is one of the only characters that was really just consistently him, but also consistently in almost every Superman scripters like like writing.

01:04:44.451 --> 01:04:44.672
sure.

01:04:44.672 --> 01:04:46.516
Like multiple versions of the script.

01:04:46.641 --> 01:04:46.952
Yeah.

01:04:46.952 --> 01:04:55.364
Well, I'm saying like just comics in general throughout com throughout Superman history, like Lana Lang constantly change, like kind of her character, her characteristics, things like that.

01:04:55.364 --> 01:05:02.646
But Steve Lombard apparently has been just consistently in this and also one of Clark Kent's, like one of his best friends.

01:05:03.286 --> 01:05:13.099
Oh, definitely an interesting, like, that just that that is a uh kind of a like giving giving James Gunn the flowers for really just.

01:05:13.409 --> 01:05:26.856
doing his homework and really including characters that mean something, not just Jimmy Olsen, not just Lois Lane, people like Steve Lombard and Kat Grant and all that, like really giving a shit about who is appearing by name in this film.

01:05:26.856 --> 01:05:32.657
So I do hear what you're saying, but at the same time, I think that that is something really incredible that James Gunn shows to do.

01:05:33.134 --> 01:05:34.405
Well, let me flip the question on you.

01:05:34.405 --> 01:05:36.260
Who was your standout for this movie?

01:05:36.260 --> 01:05:40.606
Besides crypto, because I think we all fully get that crypto is awesome.

01:05:41.922 --> 01:05:45.043
I mean, honestly, I really got to say it was either between Mr.

01:05:45.043 --> 01:05:56.666
Terrific and I mean, this is a very difficult question because honestly, I had my doubts about Corn Sweat and he killed it.

01:05:56.702 --> 01:05:59.347
is an incredible actor.

01:05:59.947 --> 01:06:03.768
he killed it as both Clark Kent and Superman.

01:06:03.768 --> 01:06:04.688
Those moments.

01:06:04.688 --> 01:06:40.509
uh I read somewhere that this moment was really about the kind of like that Clark Kent slash Superman's his anger and his temper put under a microscope and really like just about anybody put into that the like the situation where you think your parents were like one way your entire life and they're not around to defend themselves but then you find out that they're the complete opposite or anybody in your life anybody who's ever been betrayed by somebody who is kind of like in their life and is no longer in their life anymore like that is a hit to the gut that is a killing blow and that is something that will change you forever.

01:06:40.509 --> 01:06:51.402
And the fact that, that he like created this relatable feeling and emotion, not just like losing his temper and like, you know, punching the shit out of people.

01:06:51.402 --> 01:06:58.923
Like he literally, like at one point he just walks in that building and like put his hands down and just like almost couldn't breathe.

01:06:58.923 --> 01:07:01.545
Like that is a human reaction.

01:07:01.545 --> 01:07:06.666
And I honestly, like I loved his, his portrayal of these moments of Superman.

01:07:06.853 --> 01:07:11.519
Um, but again, you had guys like, I'm forgetting his name now.

01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:12.181
God damn it.

01:07:12.181 --> 01:07:13.782
Uh, Metamorpho.

01:07:13.782 --> 01:07:17.226
Anthony Carrigan as, as, as, know, Rex Mason, Metamorpho.

01:07:17.867 --> 01:07:21.382
Just those, the few moments that he was in these scenes, like he was funny.

01:07:21.382 --> 01:07:22.432
He was emotional.

01:07:22.432 --> 01:07:23.394
Like he nailed it.

01:07:23.394 --> 01:07:25.297
Like this, it's so good.

01:07:25.297 --> 01:07:26.407
It's so good.

01:07:26.407 --> 01:07:27.677
I want to go back really briefly.

01:07:27.677 --> 01:07:34.753
What you were saying there a moment ago about how Clark sort of realizes that his actual parents from Krypton weren't exactly who he thought he was.

01:07:34.753 --> 01:07:44.181
And he sort of was living this lie of like, they brought me here to earth to defend this planet from outside threats, foreign and domestic, all the things.

01:07:44.742 --> 01:07:55.409
There is a time, I think in all of our lives as actual human beings, where we start to, I think on some level, you know, most healthy relationships with our parents, we idolize our parents and think that they know everything.

01:07:55.436 --> 01:08:02.090
Like for most of our early life, we think my mom or dad have the answer to everything.

01:08:02.090 --> 01:08:07.282
And then at some point as like either young adults or maybe even much older, we differ.

01:08:07.282 --> 01:08:08.302
start to stray.

01:08:08.302 --> 01:08:13.275
Most of us again, in healthy relationships, we start to stray from like our parents path.

01:08:13.275 --> 01:08:23.101
And we realized that like they are just human beings doing the best that they can again, most of time they're trying their best to do what they can for their kids.

01:08:23.101 --> 01:08:37.275
And I think we see that very specifically with again, his actual parents from, from Krypton, but also with mom, Paul Kent, where at one point, you know, he's again, as you said, he gets angry at the fact that his parents sent him for, I would say nefarious reasons, right?

01:08:37.275 --> 01:08:40.127
And this is sort of used and weaponized against him.

01:08:40.127 --> 01:08:42.827
But at the end of day, they saved his life.

01:08:42.827 --> 01:08:45.177
And I think that that is something, if not nothing, right?

01:08:45.177 --> 01:08:50.430
Like that is not, regardless of the reason they put him on a path to safety.

01:08:50.430 --> 01:08:55.789
And then, and again, Jonathan says this very well, know, Pruitt, what's his name?

01:08:55.789 --> 01:08:59.893
Pruitt Taylor Vince at one point says it's one of the best scenes in the movie.

01:08:59.893 --> 01:09:01.083
You said this earlier as well.

01:09:01.083 --> 01:09:06.427
They're like, as parents, our role is not to create you and make you into the person you're going to become.

01:09:06.427 --> 01:09:10.350
We just put you in a position to succeed and it's kind of up to you at this point.

01:09:10.350 --> 01:09:20.118
you are the people are their choices, you know, like you, you don't get to like, um, manufacture this idealized version of yourself.

01:09:20.118 --> 01:09:21.228
You are.

01:09:21.925 --> 01:09:25.582
You are with your actions and you know, think that best exemplifies Superman.

01:09:25.582 --> 01:09:32.971
I want to watch this movie simply because I want to watch that conversation between Clark Kent and and Paw Kent.

01:09:33.252 --> 01:09:41.543
I want to watch that because that that that that right there was probably one of the most emotional like points in the movie for me.

01:09:41.824 --> 01:09:42.845
know that.

01:09:42.869 --> 01:09:46.992
And that's another thing is normally it's not the relationships that I want to see.

01:09:46.992 --> 01:09:49.963
In a movie like Superman, I want to see the action.

01:09:49.963 --> 01:09:53.525
I want to see him beating the shit out and destroying cities and buildings.

01:09:53.525 --> 01:09:59.198
I want Superman versus uh Zod in fucking Superman.

01:09:59.198 --> 01:10:02.161
I want those movies, Man of Steel.

01:10:02.161 --> 01:10:02.850
I want that.

01:10:02.850 --> 01:10:08.804
But in this one, I find myself really being attracted to the moments of emotion.

01:10:08.804 --> 01:10:12.524
And I think that that speaks volumes about the writing and the directing.

01:10:12.524 --> 01:10:18.738
because there's that moment between, you know, there's, there's a several moments between Lois Lane and Superman.

01:10:18.738 --> 01:10:23.641
And then there's the moments between, you know, the, the mom, pa Kent and Clark Kent.

01:10:23.641 --> 01:10:29.886
And it's just like, those were the moments that really, really stood out along with the action scenes.

01:10:29.886 --> 01:10:31.738
Like just incredible.

01:10:31.738 --> 01:10:35.462
But also like we got to, I know we're going like Can I add something really?

01:10:35.462 --> 01:10:37.442
Yeah, we're going a little long, but can I ask something really quick?

01:10:37.442 --> 01:10:47.782
Because what you said there is like when you think of Superman, you want to see him like in action and the sort of emotional core of the character is sort of secondary, which I don't think there's any wrong way to like a character.

01:10:47.782 --> 01:10:50.962
I think you can sort of like you can pick and choose and and all those things.

01:10:50.962 --> 01:10:59.481
But I think you've basically perfectly exemplified what why I think Zack Snyder's version of this character didn't work because he I think thinks the same exact thing as you.

01:10:59.481 --> 01:11:05.922
I want to see him in action using his laser eyes and flying and All the things, the super breath.

01:11:06.003 --> 01:11:10.417
But like, as soon as you get to the emotional core of things, he falters and doesn't know how to react.

01:11:10.417 --> 01:11:12.708
He starts snapping necks.

01:11:12.708 --> 01:11:14.300
And like, I don't know.

01:11:14.300 --> 01:11:27.038
It's again, I'm not trying to like gatekeep this character and like say that my ideal version of his character is the best version, but like, I think you're just completely missing the point of the character when you only focus on how he, is the most powerful character in the world.

01:11:27.038 --> 01:11:35.956
And I think it's why James Gunn understands this character so well is that how does an all powerful, the most powerful person on earth.

01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:40.427
How does an alien from not our planet become the most human person?

01:11:40.993 --> 01:11:42.173
How does that happen?

01:11:42.594 --> 01:11:45.694
To argue with you, which I feel like I must do now.

01:11:47.296 --> 01:11:58.288
It's not that I want like it's not that I ignore the fact that that Superman slash Clark Clark Kent slash Kal-El is not like does not have like have humanity in him, does not have emotions.

01:11:58.288 --> 01:11:59.679
I know he wants peace.

01:11:59.679 --> 01:12:03.909
He wants to improve humanity and not by fighting, not by throwing a fist.

01:12:03.909 --> 01:12:10.042
He wants to do the uh the Wonder Woman 84 uh like approach to solving problems.

01:12:10.042 --> 01:12:10.752
OK.

01:12:10.752 --> 01:12:13.685
So he wants to hug it out and talk it out.

01:12:13.685 --> 01:12:23.987
um but what I'm saying for me is I like, um, when there's like more than powerful people on the screen, people to physically challenge him.

01:12:24.257 --> 01:12:39.826
Yeah, well, I just like I want to see I since a kid I've wanted like, you know me I love giant robots I Pacific Rim There's no talking to a kaiju like I want to see two major fucking powered things beating the shit out of each other with no holds barred You know, and that's what I got in Man of Steel.

01:12:39.826 --> 01:12:52.216
However, I do understand that Superman is at his core a human who a human a human He's human it human ish.

01:12:52.216 --> 01:12:54.024
What the fuck is the word I'm thinking of?

01:12:54.024 --> 01:12:56.099
He's he's whatever.

01:12:56.099 --> 01:13:04.305
um Looking to to make things like finish out peacefully instead of snapping necks and lasering fucking faces like I get that.

01:13:04.305 --> 01:13:04.536
Yeah.

01:13:04.536 --> 01:13:05.086
You know.

01:13:05.086 --> 01:13:09.298
But at the same time, I want to see the use of the power like because that's what you know.

01:13:09.298 --> 01:13:10.305
Yeah.

01:13:10.305 --> 01:13:22.164
I'm not going to say that your preference and Zack Snyder's preference and people who like, I'm not, not, I'm not comparing you to, I'm just saying that like those, I think that Zack Snyder's preference is the same as yours, which is that like, I want to see him do cool bad-ass shit.

01:13:22.164 --> 01:13:22.916
And that's not wrong.

01:13:22.916 --> 01:13:23.476
Cause I agree.

01:13:23.476 --> 01:13:24.970
I also want to see him do cool.

01:13:24.970 --> 01:13:26.215
Anybody it's not just Superman.

01:13:26.215 --> 01:13:30.442
It's anybody that's what I'm putting out using this as like the context of Superman.

01:13:30.921 --> 01:13:35.662
the reason why Man of Steel doesn't work for is- damn it! You're not hearing what I'm saying.

01:13:35.662 --> 01:13:35.761
No.

01:13:35.761 --> 01:13:36.681
You're not.

01:13:36.952 --> 01:13:39.292
Look at me and hear what I'm saying.

01:13:39.315 --> 01:13:40.127
Okay.

01:13:40.127 --> 01:13:41.557
This is for everyone at home and Aaron.

01:13:41.557 --> 01:13:43.309
I'm not comparing you to Zack Snyder.

01:13:43.309 --> 01:13:53.255
What I'm saying is that like the preference that you have, which is you want to see superheroes do cool shit, totally get is that like it is.

01:13:53.255 --> 01:13:56.497
uh It's not all it's not.

01:13:56.497 --> 01:13:57.719
I don't think it's the most important.

01:13:57.719 --> 01:13:58.158
Right.

01:13:58.158 --> 01:13:59.409
But again, that's my preference.

01:13:59.409 --> 01:14:01.461
And I don't think that one is more important than the other.

01:14:01.461 --> 01:14:03.181
I think that both are important.

01:14:03.181 --> 01:14:05.154
I just think that one is more important than the other.

01:14:05.154 --> 01:14:05.583
Right.

01:14:05.583 --> 01:14:07.454
So that's my only argument.

01:14:07.454 --> 01:14:08.981
And I just think that James Gunn.

01:14:08.981 --> 01:14:17.548
If there's an alignment there, I think James Gunn thinks the same thing that I do, which is that like, when we think about Superman, the first thing that we should think of is, damn, this guy is wholesome.

01:14:17.548 --> 01:14:19.331
Like he is human.

01:14:19.331 --> 01:14:24.304
He could punch a hole through every skyscraper in Metropolis, but he doesn't.

01:14:24.304 --> 01:14:27.569
He tries his best not to because of the collateral.

01:14:27.569 --> 01:14:28.818
What are you laughing at?

01:14:29.097 --> 01:14:30.699
You hear like, damn, he's wholesome.

01:14:30.699 --> 01:14:33.101
And it reminded me of our conversation we were talking about.

01:14:33.101 --> 01:14:37.324
When we were talking about the Predator film, it's like, damn, you got a big pussy.

01:14:38.367 --> 01:14:39.488
Little shame black reference.

01:14:39.488 --> 01:14:40.810
Why'd you say it twice?

01:14:40.810 --> 01:14:50.518
I didn't Yeah, Cornsweat actually differentiated the role between Clark's interactions with his parents, his job at the Daily Planet and as Superman.

01:14:50.518 --> 01:14:52.988
He describes Superman as a public facing character.

01:14:52.988 --> 01:14:54.140
I'm doing the air quotes right now.

01:14:54.140 --> 01:14:54.529
Yeah.

01:14:54.529 --> 01:14:58.981
Public facing character who wants to present himself as calm, but with authority.

01:14:58.981 --> 01:15:10.609
Oh, Cornsweat drew inspiration from Clark from the comic book All-Star Superman from the All-Star Superman run 2005 to 2008 by Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly.

01:15:10.609 --> 01:15:11.149
Quietly.

01:15:11.149 --> 01:15:11.662
Quietly.

01:15:11.662 --> 01:15:12.628
It's quietly.

01:15:13.261 --> 01:15:18.663
uh and the posture of Christopher Reeves' portrayal from 1978 to 87 Superman film series.

01:15:18.663 --> 01:15:32.680
uh Gunn consulted DC Comics writer and good friend of the show Tom King regarding other characters' suspension of disbelief regarding Clark's dual identity, which was attributed to the use of hypnotic glasses to subtly distort his appearance.

01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:40.764
Gunn included this in the film, God damn you Guy Gardner, uh noting that it had kind of been forgotten from the comic book canon.

01:15:40.764 --> 01:15:42.163
I never knew that.

01:15:46.743 --> 01:15:48.515
Yeah, it was so stupid.

01:15:48.515 --> 01:15:48.815
Yeah.

01:15:48.815 --> 01:15:49.987
Funny.

01:15:50.027 --> 01:15:55.953
and then Holt was inspired by Michael Rosen bombs like Luther, which I love, in smallville.

01:16:05.229 --> 01:16:05.949
I'm going to go back.

01:16:05.949 --> 01:16:07.029
I bought the whole series.

01:16:07.029 --> 01:16:08.310
I don't even give a shit.

01:16:08.310 --> 01:16:10.210
I'm going to watch it all over again.

01:16:10.289 --> 01:16:12.069
Was it Nexium or not?

01:16:12.069 --> 01:16:14.329
know, I'll see.

01:16:14.329 --> 01:16:16.090
I lost my spot.

01:16:16.409 --> 01:16:17.289
Lex Luthor.

01:16:17.289 --> 01:16:20.409
Oh, and by billionaire Steve Jobs for Lex Luthor's uniform.

01:16:20.409 --> 01:16:24.350
Choosing to work out for the role based on the depiction of Luther on All-Star Superman.

01:16:24.350 --> 01:16:28.069
His son Joaquin shaved Holt's head in preparation for the role.

01:16:28.270 --> 01:16:28.989
Damn.

01:16:29.390 --> 01:16:35.253
Gunn took inspiration for the character from Brian Azzarello's limited comic book series Lex Luthor, of Steel.

01:16:35.253 --> 01:16:42.439
as well as Jerry Siegel's reckless scientific genius version of Luther in the comic books from the 1950s and 1960s, which is funny because Mr.

01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:49.359
Toreffi actually references that when he's talking about the black hole or not the black hole, but like the the portal machines into the pocket universe.

01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:52.166
The only big pocket universe is with a black hole.

01:16:52.166 --> 01:16:54.606
It sounds like Shaft.

01:16:55.688 --> 01:17:04.673
Finally, Nathan Fillion drew inspiration for Gardner, speaking his mind with no filter from Estelle Getty's Sophia Petrillo from the sitcom The Golden Girls.

01:17:04.673 --> 01:17:12.703
That is like of all the references that everybody took, leave it to Nathan Fillion to fucking reference the Golden Girls, man.

01:17:12.963 --> 01:17:22.503
Fillion referred back to the character's origin story in which Gardner was hit by a bus and in a coma as what flipped the switch for his personality, making him off a little bit.

01:17:22.510 --> 01:17:23.189
What?

01:17:23.189 --> 01:17:28.090
Real quick, I just want to say like, Joy Gardner is the biggest dick in the DC universe.

01:17:28.090 --> 01:17:29.529
He is everyone's little brother.

01:17:29.529 --> 01:17:31.550
He is just this hot head.

01:17:31.550 --> 01:17:34.409
Just react first and ask questions later.

01:17:34.430 --> 01:17:35.149
Nathan.

01:17:37.149 --> 01:17:38.770
Yeah, I would.

01:17:38.770 --> 01:17:42.130
would have you believe that the three hundred and forty six women would disagree.

01:17:42.689 --> 01:17:46.350
I still don't know what he's referencing there, but I think.

01:17:47.229 --> 01:17:49.350
Maybe he's on a dating website or something.

01:17:49.350 --> 01:17:50.289
Yeah.

01:17:50.956 --> 01:17:52.627
Or maybe the amount of women he slept with.

01:17:52.627 --> 01:17:53.997
Yeah.

01:17:53.997 --> 01:18:04.895
So this marks the seventh time that Philean has appeared in a film directed by James Gunn, continuing the tradition of the actor making an appearance in every one of Gunn's films owing to the pair's longtime friendship.

01:18:04.895 --> 01:18:07.957
I want to be Nathan Philean's friend.

01:18:07.957 --> 01:18:08.386
Yeah.

01:18:08.386 --> 01:18:09.127
That's it.

01:18:09.127 --> 01:18:17.854
think it's like those two with like, you know, Alan Tudyk and uh maybe Sean Gunn as well as in there probably somewhere.

01:18:17.854 --> 01:18:20.168
What's him gun?

01:18:20.168 --> 01:18:21.319
Who's Tim Gunn?

01:18:21.561 --> 01:18:22.905
my god, Chris.

01:18:23.088 --> 01:18:23.851
Make it work.

01:18:23.851 --> 01:18:25.377
The fashion icon.

01:18:25.377 --> 01:18:26.347
Tim got, nevermind.

01:18:26.347 --> 01:18:26.880
Okay.

01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:27.782
Nevermind.

01:18:27.782 --> 01:18:29.203
I don't know who that is.

01:18:30.420 --> 01:18:34.984
I want a movie called The Three Guns and it's Sean Gunn, Tim Gunn and James Gunn.

01:18:35.962 --> 01:18:40.721
All right, we're going to quick hit a couple of fun facts before we close out of the conversation here.

01:18:40.721 --> 01:18:48.002
Clit as part of the Metropolis locale maps of the downtown part of the city were featured on set detailing street names for a general outline of the area.

01:18:48.002 --> 01:18:59.761
As part of the street names, several of them reference individuals associated with Superman's character, including George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, Kidder, Margot Kidder, Richard Donner, David S.

01:18:59.761 --> 01:19:03.949
Goyer, Mark Wade, Grant Morrison, Alan Moore, John Byrne, Kurt Swan.

01:19:03.949 --> 01:19:08.369
Good friend of show, Jeff Johns, good friend of the show, Gary Frank and many, many others.

01:19:08.409 --> 01:19:22.149
The robots assisting Superman in the Fortress of Solitude are voiced by several familiar actors in Guns Past, including Jennifer Holland, his wife, longtime BFF Alan Tudyk and Guardians of the Galaxy alum, Michael Rooker and Pom Clementi...

01:19:22.149 --> 01:19:23.869
I don't know.

01:19:24.069 --> 01:19:25.390
What's her name?

01:19:26.010 --> 01:19:27.770
Clementi, Pom Clementi.

01:19:28.243 --> 01:19:29.728
I loved out number four.

01:19:29.728 --> 01:19:31.600
One of them be named Gary.

01:19:31.818 --> 01:19:33.029
And then he calls him Gary at the end.

01:19:33.029 --> 01:19:34.219
Isn't that sweet?

01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:40.543
There are a few reference to Zesty Cola and Chocos, which is a sandwich cookie in the DC universe.

01:19:40.543 --> 01:19:44.235
This this is also the favorite snack of Martian Manhunter.

01:19:44.235 --> 01:19:47.307
We get a couple of Martian Manhunter references in this movie.

01:19:47.307 --> 01:19:55.353
Arrowverse staple Big Belly Burger also makes appearance as a billboard in the skyline while Superman and co are fighting the big Kaiju.

01:19:55.353 --> 01:19:56.993
So, Aaron, you want to do a couple there?

01:19:57.354 --> 01:19:59.814
I fucking love that little goodie goodie.

01:19:59.814 --> 01:20:04.974
I I laughed nobody else in the audience laughed when that little when they let him go He's like kind of small.

01:20:04.974 --> 01:20:12.213
He like runs out and he goes Nobody was dead silent like nobody was like this isn't funny.

01:20:12.213 --> 01:20:13.314
This isn't fun.

01:20:13.314 --> 01:20:17.234
I'm just like he's so fucking cute Yeah, you ever watch the show my pet monster.

01:20:17.234 --> 01:20:18.573
Do you remember that?

01:20:19.014 --> 01:20:28.444
Never mind then okay So the Justice Gang operates from the Hall of Justice, which I was like, my God, when I saw that, I loved it.

01:20:29.005 --> 01:20:38.988
Yep, this building was first introduced in the Super Friends animated series on September 8th, 1973, and it eventually appeared in the comic book titles related to the Justice League, as well as video games and other media.

01:20:38.988 --> 01:20:40.750
Chris, where is that building at?

01:20:40.750 --> 01:20:42.993
It's in Cincinnati, not too far from where I am.

01:20:42.993 --> 01:20:43.967
You're, uh.

01:20:43.967 --> 01:20:45.795
Hi.

01:20:46.411 --> 01:20:51.377
I think it was some Hannah Barbera folks lived in Ohio and they used it as just like a reference point.

01:20:51.377 --> 01:20:52.408
And now it's iconic.

01:20:52.408 --> 01:20:55.872
It's literally the image of the Hall of Justice, which is incredible.

01:20:55.890 --> 01:20:57.069
so cool.

01:20:57.451 --> 01:21:00.712
Lex Luthor utilizes a pocket dimension for his prison.

01:21:00.771 --> 01:21:04.591
Technology previously seen in the hands of Peacemaker's father in Peacemaker Season 1.

01:21:04.591 --> 01:21:06.574
A mysterious inmate referred to as Mr.

01:21:06.574 --> 01:21:13.016
Handsome is speculated to be a white Martian, ultimate rival to Martian Manhunter's green Martians.

01:21:13.016 --> 01:21:14.667
I thought that was super cool.

01:21:14.667 --> 01:21:20.087
Yeah, I think it's actually the white Martians that set Mars on fire that sends John Johns to Earth.

01:21:20.503 --> 01:21:24.838
And that's why he has all the whenever he sees fire, he has that like PTSD reaction.

01:21:24.838 --> 01:21:33.728
The Mighty Crabjoys uh is they are fictional pop band and their reference in Superman, having already been mentioned in Creature Commandos and Peacemaker Season 2.

01:21:33.728 --> 01:21:36.398
And it's one of Clark's favorite bands as a kid.

01:21:36.398 --> 01:21:41.442
I love that when he and Rachel Brazahan's Lois Lane are talking about that and he's like, they're rock and roll.

01:21:41.442 --> 01:21:50.579
And I love, again, speaking on the wholesomeness of Clark is like, she says something about like you save, uh what's the quote, Aaron?

01:21:50.702 --> 01:21:54.507
um He says that like you find everybody to be beautiful.

01:21:54.507 --> 01:21:54.747
Yeah.

01:21:54.747 --> 01:21:56.681
And he's like, I think that's rock and roll.

01:21:56.681 --> 01:21:57.963
It's, mean, on.

01:21:57.963 --> 01:22:00.146
That's punk That's punk rock.

01:22:00.146 --> 01:22:00.769
I I'm like that.

01:22:00.769 --> 01:22:03.313
That is so hammy.

01:22:03.313 --> 01:22:06.146
But God is it like, do we not need that more than ever right now?

01:22:06.146 --> 01:22:07.007
You know?

01:22:07.069 --> 01:22:11.934
Can I can I share a little bit of a beautiful moment that I had in the movie?

01:22:12.435 --> 01:22:22.302
So, um, I thought that was such a cute scene when he was like, you know, she's like you you find everybody to be beautiful and he's like, yeah, like, you know, maybe that's punk rock.

01:22:22.302 --> 01:22:26.305
Yeah, and then Carly looked over at me and goes, that's you.

01:22:27.108 --> 01:22:30.130
And I just like that made my heart like explode.

01:22:30.130 --> 01:22:33.052
You know, I felt like because I do like I love everybody.

01:22:33.052 --> 01:22:34.944
Like I think everybody has the potential.

01:22:34.944 --> 01:22:50.190
I'm not saying that I'm in no way at all comparison to Superman, but like I do believe that I do believe and I'm a hopeless, I don't want to say hopeless romantic, but I'm like hopeless at the point where I believe that everybody has the capacity for good.

01:22:50.190 --> 01:22:56.904
And it's so disappointing and much like Superman and Clark Kent, it's so disappointing when people aren't that.

01:22:56.904 --> 01:23:00.250
And that's kind of like the thing that can drop you the lowest.

01:23:00.250 --> 01:23:02.231
We could totally use more of that.

01:23:02.231 --> 01:23:11.462
to share a quick same story is that like crypto throughout the movie is this very cute, energetic, maybe doesn't know how strong he is type of character and every puppy.

01:23:11.462 --> 01:23:11.851
Yeah.

01:23:11.851 --> 01:23:12.403
Yeah.

01:23:12.403 --> 01:23:16.407
And Olivia at one point she's like, that's Toby, which my dog is golden.

01:23:16.407 --> 01:23:21.412
He's the same way he is like this creature that needs constant attention.

01:23:21.412 --> 01:23:24.054
And if you don't give it to him, he's going to wreck the place.

01:23:24.054 --> 01:23:34.347
And crypto again, we've talked very little about crypto, but I think he has just such an incredible inclusion and again continues the trend of James Gunn just understanding how to market cute little animals into his films.

01:23:34.347 --> 01:23:38.862
So how Probably do you the dog named Crypto is gonna be?

01:23:38.862 --> 01:23:40.654
It's going to be so insanely used.

01:23:40.654 --> 01:23:49.557
It's going to be like the same as like Caraxes and like it's like those popular, you know, fantasy names, you know, so it'll definitely be.

01:23:49.557 --> 01:23:54.658
Uh, what was, what did they call, um, to, lead, to lease, to Lisi.

01:23:54.658 --> 01:23:56.680
Yeah.

01:23:56.680 --> 01:24:01.921
Like how, there was like, there's like a whole generation of young women named Khaleesi and Drago.

01:24:01.921 --> 01:24:05.902
The whole bunch of young, a whole generation of young babies named Drago.

01:24:07.262 --> 01:24:10.184
She's a murder and incestuous.

01:24:10.184 --> 01:24:14.125
Um, lastly, as seen in the pocket dimension, baby Joe J.

01:24:14.125 --> 01:24:18.957
we were talking about baby Joe being the son of Rex and Sapphire stag daughter of industrialist Simon stag.

01:24:18.957 --> 01:24:25.757
Yeah, Aaron, why don't you talk about the in credits, which I will say if there's one sort of big complaint about this movie, it is the two in credit scenes.

01:24:25.757 --> 01:24:36.814
They are so just unimportant and my God, was like, yeah, might've actually been a ruining, a ruinous thing for me of how like underwhelming they were.

01:24:36.814 --> 01:24:38.014
I try to real quick.

01:24:38.014 --> 01:24:38.774
I'm sorry.

01:24:38.774 --> 01:24:49.854
I always try to judge these movies by the movie and like even like trying to give an example, but like maybe Thunderbolts is a good example of like a movie that's not very good, but the in credit scenes pretty cool.

01:24:49.854 --> 01:24:51.373
You know, like not Thunderbolts is a good movie.

01:24:51.373 --> 01:24:55.554
That's not a good example, but like there have been moments where I think so.

01:24:55.554 --> 01:24:57.213
I think it's pretty good.

01:24:57.213 --> 01:25:00.613
We're like a movie is not very good, but like the in credit scene is awesome.

01:25:01.474 --> 01:25:03.253
And this is this it's the opposite.

01:25:03.253 --> 01:25:13.900
I think the movie is very good, but like the in credit scenes are pretty insignificant and this is kind of a bummer, but I kind of get it the same time because if this fails, you don't want to set up a universe that like goes nowhere.

01:25:13.900 --> 01:25:17.954
You know, this responsible post-scene.

01:25:18.735 --> 01:25:22.177
This is responsible like post credit cuddling.

01:25:22.177 --> 01:25:29.600
Yeah, so just to comment on that, um I don't know.

01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:30.921
I like to look at the whole thing.

01:25:30.921 --> 01:25:36.224
The whole movie itself is the experience, not just the movie, because the credits are part of it.

01:25:36.703 --> 01:25:38.805
The post credit scenes are part of it as well.

01:25:38.805 --> 01:25:44.921
Like, you know, there are people who love to sit and just watch the credits for any movie post-credit scene or not.

01:25:45.101 --> 01:25:55.404
So I think that to me, it's like, because if the credits did not matter, if it was just the movie to be based off the movie, there would not be any score during the credits.

01:25:55.404 --> 01:25:56.833
Yeah.

01:25:56.833 --> 01:26:02.996
I wish they would have just pushed the super girl inclusion to the like the mid credit scene.

01:26:03.735 --> 01:26:05.176
I would have made things so much better.

01:26:05.176 --> 01:26:07.368
You know, he, he like lays down in the bed.

01:26:07.368 --> 01:26:12.378
He's looking at all the really touching moment there at the end where he's looking at all the videos of mom.

01:26:13.474 --> 01:26:15.840
We're real switcheroo with Gary there.

01:26:15.899 --> 01:26:16.239
yeah.

01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:16.880
Love that.

01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:22.594
And then like cut to black, do the mighty crab joy mid credit scene.

01:26:22.594 --> 01:26:24.176
and then bam, pop right back in.

01:26:24.176 --> 01:26:27.662
He gets up off the table and then Millie Alcock's Supergirl walks in.

01:26:27.662 --> 01:26:29.274
that's uh perfect right there.

01:26:29.274 --> 01:26:30.284
But again, I understand.

01:26:30.284 --> 01:26:31.365
Later, bitch.

01:26:32.068 --> 01:26:32.769
See you later.

01:26:32.769 --> 01:26:34.070
No boundaries.

01:26:34.070 --> 01:26:36.094
Irresponsible parenting.

01:26:36.109 --> 01:26:38.051
That's why he's that like that.

01:26:38.051 --> 01:26:42.676
um Okay, so we have a mid-credit scene, which is beautiful.

01:26:42.676 --> 01:26:47.479
The mid-credit scene is the one that we kind of all saw already, which was...

01:26:48.740 --> 01:26:49.811
It was like a teaser.

01:26:49.811 --> 01:26:54.725
was that one of, guess, maybe he's sitting on the moon or he's sitting on something.

01:26:54.827 --> 01:26:56.889
Maybe he's sitting on Batman's fucking...

01:26:56.889 --> 01:27:03.069
ah floating a solid floating ship for the of solitude, his satellite.

01:27:03.069 --> 01:27:06.501
Batman's, Bruce Wayne's fucking satellite of a base.

01:27:06.501 --> 01:27:09.202
Maybe that's the true mid-credit scene.

01:27:09.202 --> 01:27:16.796
um And then the post-credit scene is uh basically a conversation between Superman and Mr.

01:27:16.796 --> 01:27:17.947
Terrific S.

01:27:17.947 --> 01:27:28.353
They're looking at this building and it's just like, it's where the rift has been re-connected, like it has come together and the building is just slightly off.

01:27:28.353 --> 01:27:29.868
And it's funny because...

01:27:29.868 --> 01:27:31.248
Like he's basically telling Mr.

01:27:31.248 --> 01:27:37.393
Terrific, like without so much as saying it, he's like, he is saying like, it's just, it's not straight.

01:27:37.393 --> 01:27:38.213
Like something happened.

01:27:38.213 --> 01:27:41.051
Like it's not 100 % correct.

01:27:41.051 --> 01:27:42.716
Like something's off, you know?

01:27:42.716 --> 01:27:43.226
And then Mr.

01:27:43.226 --> 01:27:46.538
Terrific is taking it very personally, almost passive aggressively.

01:27:46.538 --> 01:27:47.890
Like he's upset about it.

01:27:47.890 --> 01:27:50.532
Cause he's like, you had to say that you had to bring it up.

01:27:50.532 --> 01:27:53.283
Like in my opinion, there was two things that were going to happen here.

01:27:53.283 --> 01:27:54.645
I was waiting for something to happen.

01:27:54.645 --> 01:28:07.717
was waiting for A, the reason that it's off is because something was stuck in there like holding it and it could have been like, it could have been, you know, the black hole still being there and like maybe again, Bizarro was gonna come out of it.

01:28:07.717 --> 01:28:16.097
Or I thought it would have been funny if, you know, Superman would have like shown like his true strength where he just would have walked up to it and kind of like shifted it back.

01:28:16.097 --> 01:28:20.078
know, like I thought, I thought that would have been like a good touch.

01:28:20.078 --> 01:28:22.997
Like to me, there's just so many different things that I was expecting.

01:28:22.997 --> 01:28:29.777
And I think that was the most disappointing thing was that, I got nothing of anything that I was expecting in a post-credit scene.

01:28:29.777 --> 01:28:34.969
That right there is like the only thing that I was kind of like, ugh, about.

01:28:34.978 --> 01:28:40.170
think it's this speaks to a larger idea that I think is again, one of my major complaints with this movie.

01:28:40.170 --> 01:28:43.161
One of my only major complaints is that it just plays it extremely safe.

01:28:43.161 --> 01:28:45.802
This movie is made for the broadest audience possible.

01:28:45.802 --> 01:29:00.849
Although I think it's touching on a lot of really interesting, important themes, you know, but I still think that like the the paint by number sort of structure of the film is sort of again, very it's very MCU phase one coded, right?

01:29:00.849 --> 01:29:03.243
Like, let's let's just get this.

01:29:03.243 --> 01:29:07.375
Let's let's nail it right like it kind of reminds me of the Super Mario Bros movie.

01:29:07.375 --> 01:29:09.216
We're like, thank you.

01:29:10.555 --> 01:29:14.556
No real chances were made, but like they didn't really mess anything up either.

01:29:14.556 --> 01:29:20.259
So like it just feels very satisfying, but not like overwhelming in any role.

01:29:20.259 --> 01:29:22.059
I mean, I don't know.

01:29:22.659 --> 01:29:31.612
I feel like I'm sort of backtracking on my overwhelming praise of this movie, but I think it's important to reference it like this movie is not perfect, ah but it is like very, very solid.

01:29:31.818 --> 01:29:34.340
It is, it hits all the right notes.

01:29:34.340 --> 01:29:47.118
And the funny thing is like now that we've kind of like reviewed it and I thought about the whole movie again over in my head, this shows this movie even itself shows a little bit of the trauma background of James Gunn.

01:29:47.118 --> 01:29:52.131
Like it has that like the weirdness, it has the humor, it has the quips.

01:29:52.131 --> 01:29:58.275
Again, there's that scene where Metamorpho is like a floating squid head, cause that's all he's got on him now.

01:29:58.275 --> 01:30:06.184
And like Superman's like got a like re like connect his jaw because he used his super breath so strongly that he's like, you're weird.

01:30:06.184 --> 01:30:06.524
Yeah.

01:30:06.524 --> 01:30:06.904
You know?

01:30:06.904 --> 01:30:15.676
And like, there's like these little moments that just, cause if you've ever watched a trauma film, you know how like just bat shit crazy body horror and all that stuff.

01:30:15.676 --> 01:30:18.948
And this, this, this movie like kind of like proves it.

01:30:18.948 --> 01:30:22.994
I will say this, there's like the overall, I really, really enjoy it.

01:30:22.994 --> 01:30:23.509
Sorry.

01:30:23.509 --> 01:30:24.750
I think we're getting into final thoughts.

01:30:24.750 --> 01:30:26.006
oh a moment.

01:30:26.006 --> 01:30:27.265
I want to say really briefly though.

01:30:27.265 --> 01:30:40.065
I agree with you with the James Gunn of it all in terms of like his like roots as a trauma director because again, the eye poking you even have like, I think a little bit of slither in there as well with Superman pulling out the nanites from his lungs.

01:30:40.105 --> 01:30:42.305
there's, and there's a lot of like bone reconnections.

01:30:42.305 --> 01:30:45.286
And at one point someone gets punched so hard, their teeth fall out.

01:30:45.286 --> 01:30:50.426
Like it's, all very, um, it's not, it's not round on the edges.

01:30:50.426 --> 01:30:52.145
Like it's not Disney fight.

01:30:53.185 --> 01:30:58.006
is also Yeah, like structurally, it's safe, but like there's still a little bit of.

01:30:58.006 --> 01:30:58.568
Right.

01:30:58.568 --> 01:31:02.350
It's still a little um it's still a little punk.

01:31:02.350 --> 01:31:04.493
Again, punk rock seems to be the overwhelming theme of this.

01:31:04.493 --> 01:31:07.534
Like there is still a little bit of that like rebelliousness in it.

01:31:07.534 --> 01:31:10.136
Like how much can we get away with with the PG 13 rating?

01:31:10.136 --> 01:31:12.078
There's a couple of bombs, right?

01:31:12.078 --> 01:31:14.279
Maybe one bomb, but there's a lot of cursing in general.

01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:14.619
Yeah.

01:31:14.619 --> 01:31:15.079
Yeah.

01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:19.382
So, OK, I think we're nearing the end here, Aaron.

01:31:19.382 --> 01:31:21.434
I think we've already sort of started to get into it.

01:31:21.434 --> 01:31:24.296
But just final thoughts on Superman.

01:31:25.453 --> 01:31:30.606
Before I get my final thoughts, I just wanted to cover a couple of things that I didn't get to say during this.

01:31:30.606 --> 01:31:31.648
are popping into my brain.

01:31:31.648 --> 01:31:35.920
There's two things that are popping into my brain right now that were just incredible moments.

01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:36.501
The Mr.

01:31:36.501 --> 01:31:42.444
Terrific fight, when he lands at the beach and he's like, he just got his spheres.

01:31:42.984 --> 01:31:43.984
The circles.

01:31:43.984 --> 01:31:44.664
Your circles.

01:31:44.664 --> 01:31:47.423
uh That's very James Gunn.

01:31:47.423 --> 01:31:51.587
does that every one of his movies where it's like a one cut and you got like Yondu's arrows.

01:31:51.587 --> 01:31:52.889
You've got Rack of Raccoon in here.

01:31:52.889 --> 01:31:55.878
oh yeah, good point.

01:31:55.878 --> 01:31:57.890
um That was an incredible fight scene.

01:31:57.890 --> 01:31:59.020
The music was amazing.

01:31:59.020 --> 01:32:03.701
um Having like, because somebody says that he goes, he's just the smart one.

01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:07.322
And this really lends itself to like, you can be smart and still a complete badass.

01:32:07.322 --> 01:32:09.573
And I loved, I loved that moment.

01:32:09.573 --> 01:32:13.444
It was just like an incredible, like, like, don't fucking doubt me kind of thing.

01:32:13.444 --> 01:32:13.753
Yeah.

01:32:13.753 --> 01:32:14.935
You know, I'm like fair play.

01:32:14.935 --> 01:32:15.454
Like I'm here.

01:32:15.454 --> 01:32:17.365
I'm called Mr.

01:32:17.365 --> 01:32:18.753
Terrific for a fucking reason.

01:32:18.753 --> 01:32:27.247
Can I tell you something really quick that in the DC universe, the three smartest people in the universe go Lex Luthor, Bruce Wayne, and then Mr.

01:32:27.247 --> 01:32:30.811
Terrific is generally known as the third smartest person in the DC universe.

01:32:31.095 --> 01:32:36.171
find it interesting that Bruce Wayne does not have T spheres, but he is smarter than Mr.

01:32:36.171 --> 01:32:40.573
Well, he does have like a bat wing and like other shit that's really cool, you know?

01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:42.650
That's right.

01:32:42.650 --> 01:32:43.496
That's right.

01:32:43.496 --> 01:32:46.478
Just saying he doesn't make all of his shit apparently.

01:32:46.478 --> 01:32:47.698
Right.

01:32:48.458 --> 01:32:56.422
And then the other one I was going to say was the scene where was it uh Jargovia?

01:32:56.422 --> 01:33:07.394
um When Guy Gardner shows up, when the Justice Gang shows up at the end and he's just like he just like waves his hand all of sudden, like middle fingers and like.

01:33:07.394 --> 01:33:19.047
fist, start like throwing the tanks and the, and like, that was again, such a punk rock moment that you don't really see in any of these superheroes, like superhero films, because it's just like, again, you, you have guardians of galaxy.

01:33:19.047 --> 01:33:28.490
Like when you have them introducing the characters, you got a star Lord in the, in the screen doing the fucking, you know, Jack in the box.

01:33:28.490 --> 01:33:28.801
Yeah.

01:33:28.801 --> 01:33:29.822
Jack in the box, middle finger.

01:33:29.822 --> 01:33:41.296
it's like, Like these are things that we know and love and that's a style that we know and love and it was very welcome in this and that's I think those are the two things that I really just wanted to point out because I really I really love that.

01:33:41.296 --> 01:34:03.648
and the last thing would be the fact that that we really get to this is I feel like this is the first movie that we've ever really touched on how obsessed and how involved before even meeting him Lex Luthor was with Superman and and I and I reference particularly the fight moves.

01:34:03.648 --> 01:34:09.791
Nine Y, 44H, like, he's been studying, like, he's been watching them for years.

01:34:09.791 --> 01:34:14.802
Like, that was, and like, he knew every single thing that was going to occur.

01:34:14.802 --> 01:34:19.194
He even knew where to put his building for the ship.

01:34:19.274 --> 01:34:24.188
like, it's just incredible to see that kind of come to fruition in this film.

01:34:24.188 --> 01:34:25.278
I loved it.

01:34:25.297 --> 01:34:25.747
Absolutely.

01:34:25.747 --> 01:34:30.569
And it's sort of poking at this idea of brain versus brawn throughout the entire film.

01:34:30.569 --> 01:34:33.962
You keep hearing this sort of like what's more important brain or brawn.

01:34:33.962 --> 01:34:37.502
And I think it's uh again, as most things, it's more nuanced than that.

01:34:37.502 --> 01:34:38.764
It's a little bit of both.

01:34:38.764 --> 01:34:42.435
So, yeah, I mean, again, I think that this movie is really, really sad.

01:34:42.435 --> 01:34:44.365
I'll just go and get my initial thoughts here.

01:34:44.365 --> 01:34:47.698
This is exactly what I wanted from a Superman movie.

01:34:47.698 --> 01:34:50.069
I think it's an incredible starting point for this universe.

01:34:50.069 --> 01:34:52.439
It made me feel really, really good at end of this movie.

01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:59.136
And I think Aaron, we've talked about pretty often on the show how sometimes how you feel after movie is one of the more important features of it.

01:34:59.296 --> 01:35:15.506
And as I've said, it's a, I think it's decently maybe slightly co, you know, it's a slightly flawed movie I'll say, but at the same time it's a movie that's worth looking past those flaws in order to just enjoy it for what it is, which is an extremely solid start to this universe.

01:35:15.786 --> 01:35:18.367
I think James Gunn totally understands the character.

01:35:18.367 --> 01:35:21.099
David Corn sweat is an incredible Superman.

01:35:21.099 --> 01:35:22.770
I'm so excited to see him more.

01:35:22.770 --> 01:35:23.478
think.

01:35:23.478 --> 01:35:24.417
Almost off the rip.

01:35:24.417 --> 01:35:26.760
He's my second favorite Superman behind Christopher Reeves.

01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:33.545
uh Man, I'm just, very, very excited by this is exactly what we needed from this universe.

01:35:33.564 --> 01:35:40.009
I've been pretty vocal about how I really, really did not like the version of the DC universe with Zack Snyder at the helm.

01:35:40.009 --> 01:35:46.404
And if that's your, if that's your particular brand of DC, more power to you, but it clearly did not work for multiple reasons.

01:35:46.404 --> 01:35:52.770
And I'm just excited to see what we can do with this more hopeful sort of more colorful bam, Biff, pow.

01:35:52.770 --> 01:35:55.390
type of DC universe, you know?

01:35:55.872 --> 01:35:57.051
Right, yeah.

01:35:57.051 --> 01:36:00.434
Less neck snapping, although there is a neck snapping at one point in this movie.

01:36:00.594 --> 01:36:04.836
But you know, and I think that's a subtle funny nod by James Gunn to include that.

01:36:05.436 --> 01:36:06.850
So, yeah.

01:36:06.850 --> 01:36:07.159
Yeah.

01:36:07.159 --> 01:36:17.515
I, can I, before we go on real quick, uh, I just received a message from a, one of our, one of our, the show's best friends, Mr.

01:36:17.515 --> 01:36:18.179
Sebastian.

01:36:18.179 --> 01:36:18.921
Okay.

01:36:18.921 --> 01:36:20.524
What's Sebastian got to say?

01:36:20.663 --> 01:36:28.398
Sebastian says hey guys I went and saw Superman yesterday and I was really sad to see that me and my girlfriend were the only ones in the theater on a Saturday night.

01:36:28.398 --> 01:36:30.979
for everyone who doesn't know Sebastian, he's in Germany.

01:36:31.161 --> 01:36:36.185
international audiences, think from what I understand, are not really...

01:36:36.246 --> 01:36:41.430
I don't think international countries are really glomming on this movie the way that America is.

01:36:41.634 --> 01:36:52.212
Which is weird because, you know, when I was stationed in Germany, when I, when like, like the Avengers movies were like coming out and so like they were packed and crazy.

01:36:52.212 --> 01:36:54.063
So this, this says a lot, you know what I mean?

01:36:54.063 --> 01:36:55.123
Yeah.

01:36:55.123 --> 01:36:57.546
And also, yeah, he's like six or seven hours ahead, I believe.

01:36:57.546 --> 01:37:00.988
So anyways, he said the movie didn't really work for me.

01:37:00.988 --> 01:37:03.831
The cast is pretty perfect, but I didn't enjoy the story that much.

01:37:03.831 --> 01:37:06.993
And I think James Gunn style is wearing itself a little bit.

01:37:06.993 --> 01:37:11.448
ah This was my, this is also my most anticipated film of the year.

01:37:11.448 --> 01:37:18.515
And after hearing Chris rave about it, my expectations were through the roof, but they may be, but hey, maybe it's a grower to me.

01:37:18.515 --> 01:37:22.599
Apparently Superman is playing a lot in empty theaters here in Germany or Europe in general.

01:37:22.599 --> 01:37:27.363
I have heard people say that a lot that they are not going to see because it's not Henry Cavill.

01:37:27.363 --> 01:37:30.835
And he said, what a stupid reason.

01:37:30.835 --> 01:37:43.623
Sebastian, come on, They think Superman is boring, also fucking stupid, or that they don't want to see some superhero that represents America and its ways and oh man, I didn't even really think about that.

01:37:43.692 --> 01:37:45.908
That's exactly the most popular kid in school right now.

01:37:45.908 --> 01:37:46.409
I get it.

01:37:46.409 --> 01:37:48.582
Which I get but this movie is the opposite true.

01:37:48.582 --> 01:38:08.855
Yeah, I really hope that this movie is going to be successful So we get more anyway, I thought you guys might find this interesting can't wait to hear your review funny that you On our review that's the cool thing about being a patreon member is you get like we we care about what you got to say Yeah, so thank you so much for Sebastian and absolutely really quickly before you continue on.

01:38:08.855 --> 01:38:09.926
I, I, yeah.

01:38:09.926 --> 01:38:12.686
Mack actually sent me his first reaction, so I can share that as well.

01:38:12.686 --> 01:38:15.988
Mack, another patron, another good friend of the show over in New Zealand.

01:38:15.988 --> 01:38:17.069
we're international baby.

01:38:17.069 --> 01:38:18.269
OPP is worldwide.

01:38:18.269 --> 01:38:21.350
uh Mack says, mate, that was incredible.

01:38:21.350 --> 01:38:22.350
I was so, so happy.

01:38:22.350 --> 01:38:23.411
I'm so, happy right now.

01:38:23.411 --> 01:38:25.220
Superman is the reason I started reading comics.

01:38:25.220 --> 01:38:27.091
He will always be my first love in comics.

01:38:27.091 --> 01:38:31.193
And to see him on the screen portrayed so beautifully by David Cornsweat makes me so happy.

01:38:31.193 --> 01:38:36.364
I love Cavill Superman, but had issues with the move as a whole, but This had so much heart and laughs.

01:38:36.364 --> 01:38:37.404
couldn't be more stoked.

01:38:37.404 --> 01:38:39.296
Have to go see it again in cinema soon.

01:38:39.296 --> 01:38:44.019
So we're getting two wildly different takes from this movie.

01:38:44.019 --> 01:38:46.610
Yeah.

01:38:46.610 --> 01:38:48.481
Wildly different area codes for sure.

01:38:48.481 --> 01:38:53.425
We'll just say this, uh, downward Mac lives, the toilets flush the opposite direction.

01:38:53.786 --> 01:38:59.259
But that makes his opinion no, no, no less relevant than Sebastian.

01:38:59.259 --> 01:39:01.230
So thank you guys for sending that in.

01:39:01.230 --> 01:39:05.346
Obviously we love hearing your, your opinions and making it a part of the show because it matters to us.

01:39:05.346 --> 01:39:16.761
And that's something I really didn't think about, uh, that, that the fact that we are not the most popular kid in the school right now, uh, we're kind of the kid that eats the, eats the glue and sits at his own table, at lunch right now.

01:39:16.761 --> 01:39:19.255
So, uh, Yeah, we get a lot of sense.

01:39:19.255 --> 01:39:20.025
We get it.

01:39:20.025 --> 01:39:20.317
get it.

01:39:20.317 --> 01:39:20.667
get it.

01:39:20.667 --> 01:39:36.265
Yeah, not a problem Yeah, you don't like us and we we get I don't think a lot of us don't we don't like us either honestly Okay, all right final thoughts on Superman I really, really liked it.

01:39:36.265 --> 01:39:39.426
It's not, again, it's not perfect for me.

01:39:39.426 --> 01:39:45.805
There's a lot of, this movie was so great, but the fact that it's not perfect doesn't take anything away from it.

01:39:45.805 --> 01:39:48.365
just, you again, it just isn't perfect.

01:39:48.365 --> 01:39:52.805
there were so much to enjoy and I don't think I'd go to the theater to see it again.

01:39:52.805 --> 01:39:54.786
I definitely am excited to see it.

01:39:54.786 --> 01:40:01.014
Like when it does come out, this is being one that I would love to own a copy of because there's just so many things that I feel like I'll pick up again.

01:40:01.014 --> 01:40:08.487
I'm sure I'd love to hear from you also, after you give your final thoughts, like, is there anything that you picked up the second time you saw it versus the first time?

01:40:08.487 --> 01:40:10.583
So yeah, those are my thoughts.

01:40:10.583 --> 01:40:16.649
Yeah, I think in terms of final thoughts, just to build off mine from a moment ago, I will say that like the second viewing.

01:40:18.510 --> 01:40:19.470
ingested.

01:40:19.650 --> 01:40:27.894
The second viewing, think I saw again, as I spoke out towards the beginning of the review that like, I saw the cracks in the walls, but I think I cared less the second time.

01:40:27.894 --> 01:40:42.680
Like watching it again, I was like, I'm just fully, and maybe I'm not a good, I'm not a reliable narrator in this instance because I love the character and I think it's doing exactly like, I am not, it's not beyond me that like James Gunn is doing exactly what I want him to do with this character.

01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:50.528
And I think Aaron, you know that like, this is why I wanted James Gunn to do this, because I feel like he gets the core of the character and it's my preference.

01:40:50.528 --> 01:40:55.021
And I think that that's maybe it's not fair for me to go like, oh, it just felt good.

01:40:55.021 --> 01:40:55.983
So I love it.

01:40:55.983 --> 01:40:57.884
But again, I think it does a lot of things really well.

01:40:57.884 --> 01:40:58.925
The cast is really great.

01:40:58.925 --> 01:40:59.695
The action is good.

01:40:59.695 --> 01:41:00.636
Everything looks good.

01:41:00.636 --> 01:41:04.038
Like if you want to look at like the optics of it all, I think the action all looks really good.

01:41:04.038 --> 01:41:08.872
There's a little rubbery here and there some scenes and like, but think the flying looks great.

01:41:09.113 --> 01:41:13.997
Like the emotional core, again, I think it's just like the North star of this movie and it really hits home.

01:41:13.997 --> 01:41:18.264
And I think that If like you nail that with Superman, gosh, that's just really all you really need.

01:41:18.264 --> 01:41:18.975
So.

01:41:19.539 --> 01:41:25.345
I thought I heard them say something about removing the flying scene, like one of the flying scenes of his like face, face first.

01:41:25.345 --> 01:41:33.721
But, but I'll say this, like the, the flying scenes to just to comment on that, they like, there were some that like really gave me goosebumps.

01:41:33.721 --> 01:41:35.823
Like they were so cool.

01:41:35.963 --> 01:41:47.042
Even more so the scene when, when he like realizes how Lex Luthor got the footage of his parents and he just like takes off and goes back to the Fortress of Solitude.

01:41:47.042 --> 01:41:48.694
I thought that was really cool.

01:41:48.706 --> 01:41:55.381
But I would say the thing that I really did not uh see enough of for Superman was his super speed.

01:41:55.381 --> 01:42:07.019
I think that was one thing that really didn't show a lot of, like at one point, uh and I think that they might have done some things like that kind of specifically, intentionally.

01:42:07.019 --> 01:42:12.103
For instance, uh Ultraman didn't use his laser vision until like much later in the film.

01:42:12.103 --> 01:42:16.595
He really didn't rely on any of his super powers and like that.

01:42:16.787 --> 01:42:32.628
Too much other than his strength simply because I don't they didn't want to give away the goose too soon that it was, you Superman's clone Yeah, think anyone who, as soon as they walked up to the Fortress of Solitude and they were like, and they easily got in, was like, yeah, Ultraman is definitely.

01:42:32.710 --> 01:42:33.300
Exactly.

01:42:33.300 --> 01:42:36.801
He is, he is in some way a clone of Clark.

01:42:36.801 --> 01:42:46.595
So I actually was sort of anticipating that Ultraman was already like a bizarro version of, and like he, like he has all the powers and maybe he's just like really stupid and, but he like looks messed up.

01:42:46.595 --> 01:42:50.447
But I do love them sort of just like giving him the same look as David Corden's sweat.

01:42:50.447 --> 01:42:52.898
And then you can build to that, which I, again, I.

01:42:52.898 --> 01:42:56.054
predict that he will eventually become some version of Bizarro.

01:42:56.054 --> 01:42:57.417
So, okay.

01:42:57.417 --> 01:43:00.832
So final thoughts over, let's go and give it a rating out of five David A.

01:43:00.832 --> 01:43:01.865
Winer's as we often do.

01:43:01.865 --> 01:43:04.350
Aaron, what are you going to give Superman out of five David A.

01:43:04.350 --> 01:43:05.201
Winer's?

01:43:05.271 --> 01:43:06.748
give it a four, four David A.

01:43:06.748 --> 01:43:07.756
Weiner's out of five.

01:43:07.756 --> 01:43:08.527
I like it.

01:43:08.527 --> 01:43:14.791
You know, I was, I was sort of grappling between four and 4.5 and I feel really good about a 4.5.

01:43:14.791 --> 01:43:21.796
I think it's like a soft 4.5, you know, in the same way that like centers is like a really strong, you know, in between 4.5 and five.

01:43:21.796 --> 01:43:30.992
I think this is really, it's like, if, like one thing, one other thing in this film would have been average to bad, it would have been like a solid four for me.

01:43:30.992 --> 01:43:35.204
But I think after two viewings, still having the good enough time that I had.

01:43:35.204 --> 01:43:42.846
And the fact that, like you said, I'm going to buy uh the, you know, the 4k I'm going to buy all the, merch, like it's just, it's really got it for me.

01:43:42.846 --> 01:43:46.373
And uh yeah, I feel really good about 4.5 for me.

01:43:46.989 --> 01:43:53.192
Yeah, think that's we're usually generally you and I are kind of at that same like distance.

01:43:53.192 --> 01:43:54.404
Yeah, like the point five.

01:43:54.404 --> 01:43:57.390
So this is definitely back to I think that makes sense for us.

01:43:57.398 --> 01:44:26.158
Well, and last thing I want to ask you before we get out of here, where does Superman land for you in terms of the pantheon of like overall Superman films, you know, and just to list them out really quick for everybody who's listening, you've got Superman, the movie from 1978 Superman two from 1980 Superman three of 1983 Superman for the quest for peace at 1987 Superman returns in 2006 Man of Steel in 2013 Batman V Superman in 2016 Justice League will include Justice League and then also Zack Snyder's Justice League.

01:44:26.158 --> 01:44:41.981
in 2017 and 2020 2021 excuse me so say this one kind of for me is is at about the I'm just gonna say like, like upper, upper top five, top four, really.

01:44:41.981 --> 01:44:42.762
oh Gotcha.

01:44:42.762 --> 01:44:48.230
If you want me to go down some of them, I'll say like, obviously like Superman too is one of my absolute favorites.

01:44:48.230 --> 01:44:50.814
I personally enjoyed Man of Steel.

01:44:50.814 --> 01:44:52.737
I hated Superman Returns.

01:44:52.737 --> 01:44:53.993
ah did.

01:44:53.993 --> 01:44:54.823
I really liked it, actually.

01:44:54.823 --> 01:44:56.466
That's one my favorites.

01:44:57.268 --> 01:44:58.229
Kidding.

01:44:58.229 --> 01:44:59.622
Kidding, everybody jokes.

01:44:59.622 --> 01:45:00.773
I have them.

01:45:02.061 --> 01:45:11.261
No! Okay, wrong, wrong! So, then, you know, like Man of Steel, I like Batman v Superman.

01:45:11.710 --> 01:45:14.279
I you said you didn't like that movie Superman.

01:45:16.761 --> 01:45:18.421
Oh, sorry, sorry.

01:45:18.421 --> 01:45:18.761
didn't.

01:45:18.761 --> 01:45:19.521
You don't like the bullet.

01:45:19.521 --> 01:45:21.345
You don't like the bullet to the eye.

01:45:21.345 --> 01:45:21.966
the eyeball.

01:45:21.966 --> 01:45:23.269
That was interesting.

01:45:23.269 --> 01:45:24.390
Stupid, but interesting.

01:45:24.390 --> 01:45:36.140
um But yeah, I mean, like, like, again, I would say that this is definitely like probably top four, probably somewhere up there with like Superman to Man of Steel and then like Batman v Superman.

01:45:36.140 --> 01:45:38.971
Not Superman the movie like where were you at with that one?

01:45:38.971 --> 01:45:40.011
I know that's gonna be one.

01:45:40.011 --> 01:45:42.516
So that's like middle of the road for me Superman.

01:45:42.516 --> 01:45:48.518
I love Superman the movie, but that shit is boring I mean, it's like it's so like just like low-key who Who are you?

01:45:48.518 --> 01:45:49.461
A friend.

01:45:49.561 --> 01:45:52.085
That doesn't strike a chord with you at all.

01:45:52.109 --> 01:45:54.681
Uh, it's, it's, you know, it's not my wheelhouse, man.

01:45:54.681 --> 01:45:57.268
you know, thought you.

01:45:57.268 --> 01:45:59.069
I'll say that this is my favorite.

01:45:59.069 --> 01:46:02.332
ah It's it's my favorite of all of these that we just listed.

01:46:02.332 --> 01:46:06.545
But Superman, the movie is like a very it's like one B like they're very close.

01:46:06.545 --> 01:46:13.140
But I think that going back and maybe this is egregious and I apologize to anybody who hears this and thinks, wow, Chris is an idiot.

01:46:13.140 --> 01:46:16.143
Promise you this is not going to be the first time and it won't be the last.

01:46:16.143 --> 01:46:17.323
I'm just thinking that.

01:46:17.323 --> 01:46:22.447
like watching super because I have Superman the movie on 4K.

01:46:22.547 --> 01:46:29.117
I rewatched it in preparation for this and it's not like It's good, but it's not like, I think the best part of it is Christopher Reeve.

01:46:29.117 --> 01:46:30.970
Like he is the best part of that movie.

01:46:30.970 --> 01:46:35.738
And I think the movie around him is just sort of, nah, you know, like, I don't know.

01:46:35.738 --> 01:46:39.072
I think it's good, but it's not like, it doesn't blow me away.

01:46:39.072 --> 01:46:45.283
It's not, it is a generational, like it's an iconically generational film.

01:46:45.283 --> 01:46:57.561
And it describes where like it describes where cinema, where the world was and like where, where the audiences were at a really interesting time when superhero films were not very popular.

01:46:57.561 --> 01:47:00.207
it definitely, yeah.

01:47:00.608 --> 01:47:06.699
It really like, says a lot that it still has, you know, like a lot of fans and it's still something worth watching.

01:47:06.699 --> 01:47:15.581
It's just not just, It's just generally not as relevant to society now because things so much has changed since what 78.

01:47:15.581 --> 01:47:16.021
Yeah.

01:47:16.021 --> 01:47:18.702
So it's been, man.

01:47:18.702 --> 01:47:21.984
Not aged, not aged, you know, quite as well.

01:47:21.984 --> 01:47:22.585
Right.

01:47:22.585 --> 01:47:26.377
Like it's, you know, and I'm not I'm not trying to besmirch Superman the movie.

01:47:26.377 --> 01:47:27.487
If you love it, I totally get it.

01:47:27.487 --> 01:47:32.090
Like there is a little bit of like a gloss around it that feels really 50 years.

01:47:32.090 --> 01:47:32.460
Yeah.

01:47:32.460 --> 01:47:35.462
It feels really hokey and it gets all those beats right.

01:47:35.462 --> 01:47:38.604
But anyway, and then I want to quit.

01:47:38.604 --> 01:47:41.985
know everyone's doing like, hey, what would you read if you like Superman?

01:47:41.985 --> 01:47:45.644
I want to do a quick just three quick recommendations for everyone listening in Aaron.

01:47:45.644 --> 01:47:51.296
If you want to read, and I don't think any of these really like, it's not a recommendation based off.

01:47:51.457 --> 01:48:05.386
If you want to read something similar to Superman, I just think that if you like Superman, if you like the idea of Superman and you're having a hard time reading, finding like reading material for Superman, cause there's people out there that like find it hard to read Superman for whatever reason.

01:48:05.466 --> 01:48:09.890
I will say that I would start with the men of tomorrow by Jeff Johns, John Romita Jr.

01:48:09.890 --> 01:48:14.073
Klaus Jansen has a couple of issues in here as well, but Jeff Johns good friend of the show.

01:48:14.073 --> 01:48:15.630
He does an incredible run.

01:48:15.630 --> 01:48:19.750
with this and it sort of acts as like a pseudo origin story as well.

01:48:20.270 --> 01:48:23.829
I would say Mark Wade's Birthright is also a really good one.

01:48:23.829 --> 01:48:27.710
DC recently just put out a hardcover that I think people would really like.

01:48:27.710 --> 01:48:31.310
And also it's incredible art by Lanou Francis View.

01:48:31.310 --> 01:48:34.010
So I would highly recommend that one as well.

01:48:34.010 --> 01:48:38.350
And I think between Birthright and this last entry are my favorites.

01:48:38.729 --> 01:48:43.149
Superman smashes the clan by Jean Yun Lang and then also art by Giri Huru.

01:48:43.373 --> 01:48:47.453
incredible read this something that you could hand a nephew or a little brother or sister.

01:48:47.453 --> 01:48:51.613
And it's basically just like it's Superman back in the day.

01:48:51.613 --> 01:49:00.493
Like we're talking like golden age Superman just knocking the shit out of some, some clans members and what's more wholesome than that.

01:49:00.493 --> 01:49:02.173
So that will do it.

01:49:02.173 --> 01:49:04.774
I think for our Superman talk, Aaron, am I missing anything?

01:49:04.774 --> 01:49:05.413
Have we covered it?

01:49:05.413 --> 01:49:06.953
We've talked about this movie for two hours.

01:49:06.953 --> 01:49:08.310
Do we need anything else?

01:49:08.310 --> 01:49:11.402
We literally doubled the amount of time that we estimated for this episode.

01:49:11.402 --> 01:49:18.895
So I think that we are, think that before we have to break this thing down into two parts, I think that that we've kind of covered everything.

01:49:18.895 --> 01:49:22.467
um Recommend seeing it in theaters.

01:49:22.467 --> 01:49:39.858
a 4.0 and a 4.5 are definitely from us, a highly recommend it to see in theaters and to enjoy it and to really uh make sure that you pay attention to it and support what could be the beginning of the next big universe that we have cinematically.

01:49:39.858 --> 01:49:42.725
yeah, I'm excited to see what's coming next.

01:49:42.725 --> 01:49:45.932
uh James Gunn, he fucking killed it.

01:49:45.932 --> 01:49:46.824
Punk rock style.

01:49:46.824 --> 01:49:49.064
you know, I'm Yeah.

01:49:49.064 --> 01:49:49.505
Yeah.

01:49:49.505 --> 01:49:50.657
Let me ask you a final question.

01:49:50.657 --> 01:49:52.181
Did you, did you pick up any popcorn buckets?

01:49:52.181 --> 01:49:53.975
There were about 18 of them.

01:49:54.538 --> 01:49:55.953
did you have any interest in any of them?

01:49:55.953 --> 01:49:57.405
Are you going to get any of them?

01:49:57.962 --> 01:50:21.927
I have no I think I'm I think for now I'm done with popcorn Some popcorn bucket out there's like there's just so fucking many of them like it's it's we've gotten to the point where popcorn buckets are now are now like comic variants You know, and there's just there's like everybody's got their own when Walgreens has their own like funko pop Yeah, we've we've we've gone too goddamn far.

01:50:21.927 --> 01:50:25.576
Yeah We need to take a quick hard look at our culture.

01:50:25.576 --> 01:50:28.658
If like there are popcorn buckets for every single theater chain.

01:50:28.658 --> 01:50:31.000
That being said, I did pick up the Alamo draft house one.

01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:32.791
So hello.

01:50:32.791 --> 01:50:33.402
Hi, it's me.

01:50:33.402 --> 01:50:34.051
I'm the problem.

01:50:34.051 --> 01:50:38.604
So anyway, that will do it for our conversation about Superman.

01:50:38.604 --> 01:50:40.426
Again, we highly recommend it next week on the show.

01:50:40.426 --> 01:50:41.787
Again, episode 200.

01:50:41.787 --> 01:50:51.373
It'll be Aaron and I doing a lot of fart sniffing about the oblivion bar and how large, you how long it's been since April of 2020 and all the things that we've done since then.

01:50:51.578 --> 01:50:53.140
I think it'll be a really fun conversation.

01:50:53.140 --> 01:50:55.202
Excited to see you my friend in person.

01:50:55.323 --> 01:50:56.904
And yeah, it'll be a good time.

01:50:56.904 --> 01:50:58.837
So, then again, San Diego Comic Con after that.

01:50:58.837 --> 01:51:03.786
So Aaron, if you don't have anything else, let's go ahead and close out episode 199.

01:51:03.841 --> 01:51:04.693
I do have a question.

01:51:04.693 --> 01:51:12.524
Have you seen there is a apparently a popcorn bucket that is like a super it's a like a daily planet like newsstand.

01:51:12.524 --> 01:51:13.563
Yes, that's AMC.

01:51:13.563 --> 01:51:14.594
That's AMC.

01:51:14.594 --> 01:51:16.476
Yeah, that's actually pretty interesting.

01:51:16.476 --> 01:51:23.536
I would get that simply because I know I picked up stories of mine that I've written out of things like that.

01:51:23.536 --> 01:51:26.029
That's that's that's what I would actually think about getting.

01:51:26.029 --> 01:51:26.949
So that's pretty interesting.

01:51:26.949 --> 01:51:27.201
Yeah.

01:51:27.201 --> 01:51:29.212
OK, I'm ready to get out of here.

01:51:29.212 --> 01:51:29.783
How about you?

01:51:29.783 --> 01:51:32.748
I think I'm ready to ready to uh got a blast.

01:51:32.748 --> 01:51:43.250
That's Jimmy Neutron not spider man, but whatever uh anyway All right, I'm subscribed.

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Don't forget to tip your bartenders 20 % or more, because if you don't, they're probably just going to upcharge you for something else so they can get that money.

01:52:43.159 --> 01:52:44.280
That's right.

01:52:44.280 --> 01:52:44.890
Tip them 20%.

01:52:44.890 --> 01:52:46.831
It would superman would always sit 20%.

01:52:46.831 --> 01:52:48.953
I'm almost positive that so.

01:52:50.234 --> 01:52:50.750
Yeah.

01:52:50.750 --> 01:52:51.034
Yeah.

01:52:51.034 --> 01:52:51.484
I think so.

01:52:51.484 --> 01:52:52.636
Especially.

01:52:52.655 --> 01:52:52.996
Yeah.

01:52:52.996 --> 01:52:53.777
Yeah.

01:52:53.777 --> 01:52:54.262
Just yeah.

01:52:54.262 --> 01:52:55.387
Just to really put in his face though.

01:52:55.387 --> 01:52:55.967
Like I'm better than.

01:52:55.967 --> 01:52:58.569
All right, everybody.

01:52:58.569 --> 01:53:00.650
Thank you so much for listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast this week.

01:53:00.650 --> 01:53:01.442
We appreciate it.

01:53:01.442 --> 01:53:05.585
We will see you next week for our landmark 200th episode.

01:53:05.585 --> 01:53:06.425
Bye bye.

01:53:06.425 --> 01:53:07.805
It's milestone.