AUDIO COMMENTARY: Event Horizon (1997) w/ Christian Ward

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Hello there, this is Christian Ward, the Comet Book Creator of titles such as Odyssey, Black Bolt, Bloodstained Teeth, Spectrograph, and Batman City of Madness.

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And you are listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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Welcome to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Knowles.

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Hello everyone and welcome to a very very special episode of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I am one of your co-hosts here Chris Hacker and joining me is my BFF Aaron Nolz.

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Welcome to the Void.

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God damn it, Cooper.

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We're already getting on our Cooper bullshit before we started recording today.

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And Aaron, we're not alone today.

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We are joined by a recurring guest, the all time leader in visits here on the Oblivion Bar podcast and the writer of the upcoming event Horizon Dark Descent, our just one of our all time BFFs in the comic book world, Christian Ward.

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Christian, welcome.

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Hello.

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Reoccurring makes me sound a bit like a rash.

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Like you need to rub a cream on me to make me go away.

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You oh gosh, Aaron found out how to use his song board.

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I don't even know where to go from that.

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I literally cannot transition.

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I have no way.

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Christian, as I said there in the intro, you know, you are taking on writing duties, or I guess not taking on your starting this brand new venture into the event horizon universe with Dark Descent.

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And I wanted to chat really quickly.

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I don't know if I've even said this yet, but everyone, if you clicked on this episode, you probably already know what's happening.

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We are going to be doing an audio commentary of 1997's Event Horizon.

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This is one of my favorite movies.

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All time favorites.

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it's funny that you bring this up, all time favorites, because when I was a child, I used to have, I was really sensitive.

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I'm just say I a really sensitive child.

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And I could not watch scary movies, but this was still, this is one of those ones where I was like, I'll be fine.

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And I watch it and I'm like pissing my bed at like, know, until the age of 13.

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But I still.

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Whoa, whoa, hang on.

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When did your parents let you watch this?

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If you were basically better, until the age of 13.

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When did you watch this?

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Let's see.

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Well, it came out when I was 12 or 11, 11 or 12.

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yeah, for about, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I was, like, listen, when Braveheart came out, I had a hard time watching Braveheart.

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You know, that movie was scary to me.

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The end is very scary.

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gets his wang cut off, I think.

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a lot more than that.

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But anyways, no, I absolutely love this movie.

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And going into like, you know, growing up, this movie was still like just a terrifying movie.

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Like it's the effects are amazingly.

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We're going to talk about all this, but the effects are amazing.

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The storyline, although troublesome, the production troublesome still came out to be a fantastic, fantastic cinematic event.

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You know, and it's been like it's one of those ones that's appreciated, but not as appreciated as some other like gory movies.

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Yeah, practicals are insanely good and you were talking a minute ago Aaron about how you've not really been into horror films Christian I think I've heard you say a similar thing before that you're even though you've obviously anyone who's been following your career and you know, both in comics and and other medias They know that you dabble in the horror genre But if I remember correctly you've said before that you're not really like a big horror movie fan I would say I came late to horror.

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I didn't really, like I didn't grow up loving kind of like, you know, Freddy Krueger or any of those kind of 80s horror films that I was, you know, watching as a In fact, I remember like, I remember watching, I watched Aliens before I watched Alien.

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Cause I remember my dad at the time saying, Aliens is not as scary as Alien.

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So he basically told me the whole plot of Alien to catch me up.

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And then, and then he was like, you can watch aliens.

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And he got me the VHS.

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He got it out from the rental store.

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And he said, you can watch it this weekend and I'll take it back on Sunday.

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And it was just me in the house on my own.

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Like I remember they were out shopping and whatever.

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And I found it so intense that I could only watch it in like 10 minutes, 10 minutes first.

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And then I had to kind of like walk around the house and be like, okay, everything's fine.

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Everything's fine.

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There's no xenomorphs in here.

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It's all light.

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Okay, watch another 10 minutes.

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And then I found it so tense.

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But then now I love horror now, but I'd say what I don't like now, which is interesting, because we'll talk about it with this, is I'm not a gore guy.

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uh I that's what it was.

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I got mixed up there.

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think it was the gore aspect of it.

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Yeah.

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Was the alien's was the the explanation of the alien plot was that like your version of the birds and the bees?

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When one xenomorph loves another xenomorph.

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When a xenomorph gets to your face hole.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I was the same way though, like to be honest, I was the same way even going into like my twenties, because it was like when I first watched Paranormal Activity.

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So when Paranormal Activity came out, it was a limited release and people had to actually go online and vote for it to be wide release.

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And I went to one of the first showings when it went to wide release and I was walking out of the theater and I was like...

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what the hell am I gonna do now?

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Cause like, can't go to sleep.

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Luckily I got a call because I was acting first starting in my unit at the time.

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So I had to go to work and basically like just rain down hell on a bunch of soldiers that were fucking around in the barracks.

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You got to release some of that aggression.

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did.

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I did, I smoked the shit out of them.

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And then I went home and I turned all the lights on and I just walked around for a while.

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like, this is okay.

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This is fine.

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You got chucked out your bed.

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Yeah.

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there was a bunch of powder, flour, powder feet on the floor, you know, like powder, flour, feet, powder.

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I think we're speaking to like a larger idea here with like these horror films that haunts you.

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You guys are talking about how like in Christian, you were talking about how Aliens was this movie that really stuck with you.

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Aaron, you're talking about that both with this and with Paranormal Activity.

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This happened to me, I guess, semi recently with Hereditary where it like haunts you for days after.

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These guys are sitting here.

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I'm trying to bring us back on topic and make this not a four hour long episode.

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And I got the other two over here just giggling.

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Yeah, I don't know if you're not watching the YouTube video.

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You can't see this everybody.

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I'm here for you listener these two Christian Ward three-time Eisner winner Okay, anyway I've heard every word.

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I have that.

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You missed Chris is Chris is business Chris right now.

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I'm in this is Apple pen Event Horizon Dark Descent, Christian, you're the writer of this upcoming series.

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Yes.

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Comes out on August 20th.

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Everyone listen to this right now.

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It is going to be before FOC, which is on July 14th.

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Christian, before we get into the actual audio commentary of the 1997 Paul W.S.

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Anderson film, I want to just briefly, you know, sort of let's touch base a little bit on this upcoming series with you and Tristan Jones.

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I'll just say really briefly before I hand it off to you, Tristan Jones in this book, incredible interiors, really, really good.

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Let's not forget, Pip Martin, does all this, you know, she has killed it.

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Yeah.

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That combination of, of, of her colors with his really kind of like striking bold colors with his just like nightmarish, you know, inks.

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mean, God, it's, it's, it's so yummy.

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Yeah.

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So yummy.

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Really, really good stuff.

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Agreed.

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And I want to ask you one maybe semi-spoilery question about the first issue.

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We'll get there here in just a moment.

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But I want to briefly ask you, how did you get in touch with IDW?

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How did you and Tristan both get in touch with IDW to eventually continue on with the, guess, I don't know if this is spoiler, sort of prequelize the event horizon story.

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Yeah, that's known basically.

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So the way it works, obviously you guys know about bloodstained teeth.

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Cause I've, that's where we, when we first met doing blister, I came on to talk about that.

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And my editor on bloodstained teeth was Heather Antos, who after working with her went on to, you know, rise for the ranks at IDW and as a senior to there now.

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And we, we met up with a new York Comic Con last year where we hung out a little bit and We were just kind of, you know, catching up as friends do.

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And she just happened to mention all these new licenses that IDW had gotten.

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And she's naming the books and some of them have been announced, some of them haven't, so I won't say what they are.

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And then one of them was Event Horizon and my eyes just lit up.

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And I just said, dude, like, have you got anyone for that yet?

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Because I would love to write it.

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Cut to March of this year.

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And Nick Nino, who's our editor.

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sent me an email and just said, know, are you interested?

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Obviously, Heather put him onto me.

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And I was just like, absolutely.

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And then I had a weekend where I had to watch the film and I had to come up with a pitch of what the comic would be.

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And it was pretty loose.

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I could do basically whatever I really wanted and came up with an idea.

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We'll talk about it when we watch the film, but like within, 10, 20 minutes, it just, the light bulb went off and I knew what it was going to be.

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I kind of wrote up the pitch.

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I had to do like a treatment, uh, which kind of pertains to the six issues, but also a much wider kind of like me, saw some kind of like much wider universe.

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Um, that if this book does really well, we can kind of do more.

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and then yeah, that got sent off to power.

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IDW loved it.

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Heva loved it.

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Nicknott loved it.

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They sent it off to Paramount who loved it.

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They sent it to Philip Eisner, who's the screenwriter of this film.

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He loved it.

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then we were off to the races.

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And then they had a few artists in mind for the book.

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And basically I was just like, I want Tristan Jones.

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Because at the time me and Tristan were actually talking about doing a create your own book.

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And I got him on we had a zoom chat and I said look I know we've got this grow and book kind of in the pipeline But I've got something else which I think because he's been wanting to kind of make a return to comics after being away for a while and I just said look I am I think you'd be perfect for this the minute I said what it was he was game because like, know Why wouldn't you be right and he's been perfect and then we've been pipped I really wanted to you know, I've been very fortunate in my career that lots of people have helped me get to where I am.

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you know, I wanted to have someone new, someone new to the industry, someone like exciting and fresh and kind of give them, you know, a, you know, a cool opportunity.

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you know, and PIP has just been amazing.

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So yeah, that's it's happened.

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So they came to me first.

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I kind of had to come up with a pitch and then really I, I've been able to use whatever influence I've got, whatever standing I've got to kind of like pull together the team that I felt like was the right fit.

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And RDW have been very supportive, Nick has been very supportive and yeah, it's been really good so far.

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Aaron mentioned a moment ago how this is one of his all timers and uh it's interesting.

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feels like uh we sort of I know Aaron doesn't really like this term but like cult classic and it kind of feels like this movie has.

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I've heard you say before like we talked about like Demon Knight, Tales of the Crypt Demon Knight.

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You were talking about how you don't really like the term uh cult classic because it's a term that insinuates that a movie at some point was disliked and then eventually became liked.

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just think that there's certain films that don't necessarily because like you have classics and then you have cult classic.

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Sorry.

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Excuse me.

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And then you I'm just I'm very passionate about this.

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And you have yeah you got cult classics and you got ones that are just like sleeper hits.

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I feel that they're like Event Horizon for me is more it can be a cult classic but I would feel it's more of a sleeper hit because it wasn't necessarily at least from my understanding it wasn't like ill received.

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wasn't badly received.

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just wasn't.

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It was.

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It was okay.

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It was really, really poorly received.

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Yeah.

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was, mean, I was, I was there like, uh, I remember you weren't there, man.

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You don't know what it was like.

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Like I saw it.

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Yeah.

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yeah.

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Opening night I saw it when I was 21 when I saw it and, um, yeah.

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And it was, I know all old, right.

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And yeah, it was really, really bad, badly reviewed, really critically.

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It did awful at the box office and it kind of, it kind of flopped big time.

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And then, and obviously that was back in kind of like just the end of VHS and the start of deep up really the start of DVD in the, kind of like the nineties, 97, absolute DVD, not VHS then.

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um And it was really that, kind of brought the film back.

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And I think kind of like, you know, I think the cult classic thing comes from, you know, I don't think I'm kind of like, doing a film of disservice by saying there are issues with it.

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people do, know, people kind of, people that love it really love it.

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like people that can see past the kind of like the production problems that they clearly had can see this, this, that there's something quite special there.

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But I think kind of the cool classic thing, I think you have to be somebody that kind of like can see past the problems it has.

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it's just, it's...

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It's not really a mainstream film, you know, and that's kind of why people like us love it because it is quite idiosyncratic.

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It's quite different.

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It's not really been a film like it since.

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But yeah, but it was absolutely.

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It didn't do well at the time.

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I'm still tracking that Amazon and Paramount are still developing a TV show for this as well.

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Yeah, I mean, wouldn't be surprised.

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This is of again, as you know, Christian was just saying a moment ago, this is a property that I think people want more of.

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And to kind of speak of what you're saying there, Christian, a moment ago, I think across the board, you asked cast, asked Paul W.S.

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Anderson, you asked anyone who was involved with this film, they will tell you that it was a mess from the beginning.

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Paramount had their hands all over it.

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They cut 30 minutes of the film and then they tried to put out a director's cut.

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And apparently Paramount wasn't taking proper care of the original film.

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So like.

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This thing has been screwed since Jump Street and we'll get into it.

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But I just wanted to kind of pick your brain Christian on like why this was an enticing franchise to get into and why this was something that when you know Heather and IDW came to you, you were like this is this is it right here.

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And I totally get why.

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And we'll talk about it as we're talking through the audio commentary of like moments in this movie where there are clear hard cut lines where someone outside of the film came in and mess with it.

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think Aaron and I we've.

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We've been pretty vocal about how the Resident Evil franchise declined very sharply at a certain point if it ever was good.

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Mortal Kombat, again, there are films in his filmography that can be discussed.

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think he is a uh director, I think very similar to, and I know Christian is not going to love this statement.

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I don't even know if Aaron's going to like it.

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Sort of like a Zack Snyder, where like he will have an idea or two that is interesting and then he will completely self-sabotage in multiple other ways.

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Do you guys tend to agree there or is, I off base?

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can agree with that because I mean, Zack Snyder is exactly that.

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He does some amazing work on specific franchises or properties and then just goes and does something else that somebody else.

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purposefully messes with it.

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Christian, you had a, took a long breath there.

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What were you going to say?

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Trust me, bruh.

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of all, I like, I'm not going to be speaking any bad things about my man, Paul W W Anderson about like Ben Risen.

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I mean, he's basically my boss, right?

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So yeah, you're not going to get out of it, but like, yeah, not as snacks, not as Zack Snyder fan.

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No, no.

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I get it.

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Neither are we.

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That seemed like an app comparison.

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I will say one last thing before we get into it.

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What we're going to do here for everyone listening, if you're like, God damn it, shut up.

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Just let's get into the horizon.

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What we're going to do is we're going to give you a little countdown.

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then essentially the way this works is that this episode, you can play this as you're watching the film.

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So you can have your volume up on your end, but we are not going to be able to play the volume on our end due to copyright.

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Plus you want to hear our babbling.

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So just know.

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We're watching it.

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can barely hear the audio on our end, because we want to discuss it.

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But Aaron, what were we going to say?

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Before we start, just want to ask Christian one more question.

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Are you a fan of Warhammer, like 40k?

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Do you know, like, no, I'm not.

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In fact, I was completely unaware of like the whole like weird fan theory connection.

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Completely unaware of it.

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Cause when I, when we announced the book, it was like a bloody disgusting, did a of real, the kind of blew up and there were people talking about 40K and I was like, what are they talking about 40K?

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Like, and I thought they were talking about budget or like how much the film made.

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And I was just like, what are they talking about?

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And it was only because like I was like somebody said to somebody's ask me to say, do you love 40 K?

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Is this going to connect to 40 K?

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And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

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Um, so yeah, so I wasn't.

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So.

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For the fans, we'll talk about this more at the end, because this is something I was interested in, Event Horizon.

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uh A lot of the connective, there's not really connective tissue with Warhammer, with 40K, that universe, but there's a lot of similarities in some of the lore and some of the titles and things.

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people fan theorize that this is almost a...

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prequel to the Warhammer 40k universe because of the Imperium and what the warp is, which is kind of synonymous with the void.

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So we'll talk about that at the end.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, one more question, Christian, before we get going.

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In your first issue of Dark Descent, you reveal a character that we don't see in this film.

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And I'm just curious, and I'm going to hold it up to the camera if you're not watching this on YouTube.

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Do you feel as the writer of this new series that this guy right here, is this a whole original creation or is this someone that you think was alluded to in this first film?

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Okay.

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All right.

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That's all we need to say.

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I just was curious because I, while watching and thinking about this film, like This I love to design.

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don't know if you're interested in working on that together or if that was wholly that was yours.

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Yeah, I love it.

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I absolutely love it.

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So.

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Trichin drew it and like, and infused it with his style.

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But yeah, that was, he was part that pie money.

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It's out there.

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So like people know pie man is going to be a very important character in this.

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uh from like hereditary?

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Well, yes and no.

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Harmonies an existing demon that exists.

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I mean, yeah, yeah.

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So basically what I did when I did my pitch was I kind of like, we'll talk about this and I think that it was, I will talk about it in a think.

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I know what I can do.

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I'll talk about it.

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We'll do it live.

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We'll do it live.

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Talk about in the thing just on the night All right, here we go everybody so we're gonna give you a quick countdown this will give you an opportunity to go ahead and start the movie and then we'll start it as soon as I do this little thing here So, all right, if everyone's ready, let's get it going All right.

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Got the Paramount logo here.

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It's the best logo right at the stars.

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Yeah, I think so.

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It's between this and the 20th Century Fox.

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Dun dun dun.

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I like the Columbia one as well.

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They should have like dead little hikers up there, like frozen bodies.

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I love this too, the transition from the mountain to the space.

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This is the thing, right?

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This is...

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Chris, can you chin down a little bit?

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Sure, absolutely.

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Sorry.

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One second.

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m That's as low as it can go from my end.

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Perfect.

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Yeah, this is the thing that got me to watch this film.

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Believe it or not.

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So the score in this is done by Michael Kamen and Orbital, which were a big kind of electronica kind of group in the UK in the 90s.

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And this is why I came to see the film.

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Just the kind of like to see that kind of electronica and like this.

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You don't see this anymore.

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being sucked into a That's what you want, right?

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It's very Doctor Who-esque.

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Doctor Who plus hell.

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The composer of this is Michael Carmen.

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I don't know if you guys are familiar with his work.

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He's sort of revered in the composing industry.

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He's won multiple awards, was nominated for two Academy Awards for Best Original Song and a couple Golden Globes.

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He worked on Lethal Weapon and Die Hard and Edge of Darkness and Tales from the Crypt, Band of Brothers.

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mean, his Iron Giant, he's done so much.

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I think that that's something that can definitely be praised within this film because again, it was, you know, troubled to say the least.

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But it's just interesting, Christian, to you say that like part of the reason you went and checked out this movie was because of another band that you had in this.

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Really, just noticed they weren't credited, but they absolutely did part of the score.

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But I didn't know that they weren't credited, which is weird.

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.

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Paul W.S.

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Anderson, before the W.S., right?

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This uh is such a typical intro into like a 90s science fiction film.

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You got the preamble on the screen.

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You have uh the cool music in the background.

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Like very No Escape, very Demolition Man, very Judge Dredd with Sloan.

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Aaron kind of blacked out a little bit there.

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He's gone down the hole.

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We'll see if he comes back.

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Okay.

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Aaron, you were out for a second.

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We didn't hear that last part.

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I'm sure the listeners can hear me.

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just saying it's very 90s Judge Dredd, very, you know, very No Escape, like all those different movies.

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I will say that with the timeline of that beginning crawl there, they were very optimistic about where we were going to be at as like a world in like 2047.

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not watch back to the future.

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We're supposed to have flying cars by now and self drying clothes.

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Blade Runner was like 2019.

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So like we're way past all this.

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I just stopped looking at it.

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Why does it have the thing?

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And I love it.

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But the name of the ship is lit up like in like a Las Vegas hotel.

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you Yeah, I don't know.

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Who's looking at that?

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Yeah.

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It also looks like a complete ripoff of like the bird of the Klingon bird of prey.

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You know, there's a lot of alien in this, know, Chris, you were talking earlier about, you know, alien.

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I'm going to say, I'm going to fight you on that.

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There's not a lot of alien.

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don't I don't think there's any alien in this.

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And I think that's why it's successful.

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Isn't this the gangway from Lost in Space?

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Bye! I don't know.

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Like it's the one, know, the family one, the, think it was 95 or 96 and it was nevermind.

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Nevermind.

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Look at that.

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Incredible.

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I think I saw a butt cheek.

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Ah.

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That's the kind of practical that we just don't see often anymore.

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And I think that that part of the that's part of reason why this movie was so troubled in its production is that there was a lot of practical things that Paul W.S.

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Anderson wanted to do and just couldn't do it due to either budget or the timeline that they had.

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I this was Annie's second film where he did Mortal Kombat and he went straight from that to this.

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He did shopping before that, it was a small.

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he didn't.

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No, that was, that was the guy that went on.

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That was cannon.

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Danny.

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It says on, uh I could be wrong here, says IMDB.

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It says he directed it written and directed by Paul Anderson.

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Nope, that was Danny Cannon.

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think this is before or after he saw dinosaurs for the first time?

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I will say, Christian, speaking on Dark Descent, you open this first issue.

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we're not going to spoil much of that first issue, if any.

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But I will say that Sam Neill's, I don't know why I'm saying his Billy Weir, we get a lot of that in the beginning of your story.

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It seems like he's going to play at least a decent role in that comic series.

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I mean, look, like, I mean, when I rewatched this, when I was putting together my, my pitch, I was just like, right from the get-go, something is going on with where like right from the get-go, you know, he's having these nightmares.

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Cause okay.

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So here's the thing, right?

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Okay.

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So everyone else is having these nightmares and they have these hallucinations when they get on the event, rising because the event rising affects them.

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Okay.

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But right from the get-go, like he's nowhere near the event horizon, right?

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But he's, but he's having hallucinations.

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Why?

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And so that's the thing, that was my end.

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Like why, why is he having hallucinations like when he's not even anywhere near the ship?

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His soul is weak, he's grieving.

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Well, we're going to explore that, We're going to explore that.

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So I want to say really quickly that scene where we had uh Sam Neill's, we are sort of spinning there on the ship.

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And actually this scene right here, these two scenes connected was the most expensive scene in the entire film.

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It actually took up a third of the budget.

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I'm looking for the actual here.

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uh Because it was filmed using separate scale models of different sizes, they had to match up perfectly.

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Anderson said that the shot had to be redone 20 times before he was satisfied.

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and half jokingly claimed that the man working on it had to take a year long sabbatical afterwards to re- So Aaron, I want to say really quickly, whenever we saw Sam Neal's shutter open to look out into space, that sound that we heard was from Doom, the first Doom game.

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I don't know if you ever connected that.

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So Why does he have like a very Professor X chair?

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this guy.

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I'm just going to be like, don't know shit about like the background of this movie.

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I'm just going to be commenting on like the weird choices they made.

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Like everybody else seems to be fine.

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Why is this guy wearing like a a knit cap?

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know?

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I know that at one point, and we're sort of meeting the crew here, at one point they talk about in the audio commentary on the DVD that the, what do call those?

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Like the openings of each door, they look like coffins.

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Did you guys catch that?

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oh I mean, that's the thing.

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That's one thing about this film that you cannot floor.

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The production design is so good.

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I mean, I would say the production design of this is up there with aliens.

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It's incredible.

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And actually, Christian, we were talking earlier.

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This is what kind of felt alien to me was like the table.

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So and I get that it's not obviously the entire movie, but like there I feel like there's like a slight influence there at least at the bare minimum.

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kind of interesting this guy has the onk on his back.

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Well, this actually goes back to Paul W.

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Sanderson.

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actually made, or I guess he didn't make anybody do anything, but he asked each one of the actors to come up with a fake backstory.

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And we got Lucius Malfoy here, Jason Isaacs.

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He actually, you know, scar in the middle of his chest.

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He based his character, this backstory that doesn't exist in the movie and has really not been explored otherwise.

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He based off his brother who had to get a bunch of surgeries as a young kid.

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And he has all these scars all over his body because of it.

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Thanks.

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Chris, what would your backstory be?

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uh I come from a long line of uh fortune and uh my family created Velcro and therefore I never had to want anything therefore I'm a real son of a bitch with a smoking problem.

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That's the story that I used to uh tell people when I went to the bar.

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You were a family of Velcro?

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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W.H.

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Velcro was my grandfather's name.

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uh All right, I want to go quickly while we're sort of centering on we're here that we talked about it at the beginning in the intro that Paul W.

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Sanderson, know, Mortal Kombat, Soldier, Alien versus Predator, Miliya Jovovich's entire Resident Evil series, Death Race, Three Musketeers, Pompeii, Monster.

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And then this year, he's coming out with in the Lost Lands with believe it or not, Miliya Jovovich and...

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That's already out.

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Is it out?

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Yeah, that's been out for a while.

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I'm pretty sure that bomb-ard.

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totally missed me.

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I'm just curious from your guys's two point of views.

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Is there any of these films that you like just like, I would say, enjoy?

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I mean, obviously I enjoy.

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I that Christian can't say anything bad about Paul.

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I can't say can't Just to interact, I've just looked on my phone.

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You are right.

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He did do shopping.

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I've got, I've got my, I've got my Danny and my Paul Anderson.

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were both.

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Yeah.

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They were both basically really kind of cool English directors that kind of came up at the same time.

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I, Cannon did dread and that kind of like killed him.

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And then obviously like pulled up Anderson did all these.

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I gotta ask you guys, have you ever seen the movie uh Rocket Man?

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It's a Disney film.

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with Elton John.

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No, no, no, not the Elton John one.

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This is the one it was like, let's say it was like late 90s, early 2000s.

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It was with a guy who was the guy who went to prison and half baked.

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You need to check it out because literally he gets put on a ship as a a coder for NASA.

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He gets put on a ship for a mission to Mars and he ends up like uh a chimp, a space chimp ends up taking over his his uh sleeping cryo booth.

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So he has to spend the entire time awake.

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It's like however many months in isolation while waiting for his crew to wake up.

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It's so funny.

00:30:38.944 --> 00:30:40.566
It is so hilarious.

00:30:40.630 --> 00:30:46.163
I didn't want to stop you in the middle of your monologue there, but on the screen there, did you guys see the eyeballs at the top?

00:30:46.163 --> 00:30:51.986
That's one of those quick little Easter eggs that if you don't see it the first time, obviously she's eyeless here.

00:30:51.986 --> 00:30:55.943
Again, Christian, you explore this a little bit in your first issue.

00:30:55.943 --> 00:30:57.097
I'm just curious.

00:30:57.679 --> 00:30:59.878
What's the addition?

00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.692
What was the purpose of the addition of uh Weir and his wife there in that first issue?

00:31:05.387 --> 00:31:06.451
What's the aside?

00:31:06.451 --> 00:31:07.585
hear you over the screaming.

00:31:07.585 --> 00:31:08.317
Well, I'm sorry.

00:31:08.317 --> 00:31:12.205
I don't know why your volume is way louder than ours because I can barely hear it.

00:31:12.205 --> 00:31:13.345
Yeah, it's really loud.

00:31:13.345 --> 00:31:15.577
Is there any way I can turn it down?

00:31:16.430 --> 00:31:18.002
ah Possibly.

00:31:18.002 --> 00:31:18.749
Let me see here.

00:31:18.749 --> 00:31:19.300
One second.

00:31:19.300 --> 00:31:20.925
Let me try to mess with this here.

00:31:23.192 --> 00:31:26.198
Why is his wife hot still without eyeballs?

00:31:26.761 --> 00:31:30.580
Oh dude, I don't want explore why you think she's talking about idols.

00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.276
mean, I'm saying she's both hot with and without.

00:31:36.695 --> 00:31:38.801
I don't know why it's so much louder on your end, Christian.

00:31:38.801 --> 00:31:39.913
That's so weird.

00:31:41.250 --> 00:31:42.925
Would you like some coffee?

00:31:44.035 --> 00:31:54.551
It's it's probably what I'm trying to kind of like hear you guys ever like when it gets like think um So what did you say about that about weird?

00:31:54.551 --> 00:32:00.768
I was going ask you about the addition of his wife with, eventually his wife in the first issue.

00:32:00.768 --> 00:32:14.932
know, you make, would say like a, like a decent attempt, I would say a decent attempt, a large attempt to involve that connection between him and his wife and sort of the grief that he has in this film, also in that, uh you know, obviously in that first issue as well.

00:32:15.650 --> 00:32:31.881
Well, I mean, think kind of like with, um you know, just like with any of my, like the things that I do, like, it's always really important that I kind of look for the human kind of like emotion and the kind of like, you know, their story.

00:32:31.881 --> 00:32:38.125
And so the way, I mean, it's, that's the big thing, like, like this trauma that he's going through.

00:32:38.606 --> 00:32:42.429
But also it was, I want to kind of explore.

00:32:43.693 --> 00:32:51.213
I want to kind of explore their relationship and what happened and why he feels the way he does.

00:32:51.213 --> 00:32:59.094
But it just seems to be, I couldn't tell an event horizon story without having that be quite a crucial point.

00:32:59.094 --> 00:33:08.205
But also I can't really say why it's so crucial until we kind of like, cause it's going to be, you'll find out it's going to be quite, quite big.

00:33:08.205 --> 00:33:11.457
Yeah, I'm excited because it's so interesting when you watch all these characters.

00:33:11.457 --> 00:33:17.470
They're all much like the characters were introduced into introduced to an issue one.

00:33:17.470 --> 00:33:19.490
They all have like a backstory.

00:33:19.490 --> 00:33:20.851
They all have some kind of secret.

00:33:20.851 --> 00:33:31.205
They all have something just like all of these different characters in this which essentially, you know, boils down to what are they all like grieving or suffering or dealing with.

00:33:31.205 --> 00:33:46.026
And so, ah you know, we are being being the catalyst to this entire mission slash engine, like why is he the uh so to speak antenna for this?

00:33:46.267 --> 00:33:48.519
I find it like I'm so excited for it.

00:33:48.584 --> 00:33:49.653
Thanks, dude.

00:33:50.035 --> 00:33:58.281
I'll you what, just to stop and look at this scene, like this was a big scene for me that like I had to try and this was my big end really.

00:33:58.281 --> 00:34:07.009
And like one thing that never gets talked about with event horizon is um it's almost kind of like Star Trek-y, right?

00:34:07.009 --> 00:34:07.339
Yeah.

00:34:07.339 --> 00:34:09.170
This isn't an American crew.

00:34:09.170 --> 00:34:11.583
This is a fully international crew.

00:34:11.583 --> 00:34:16.507
We've got, you know, obviously there's quite a lot of Americans, but we've got we're who's Australian.

00:34:16.507 --> 00:34:17.998
We've got Brits.

00:34:18.141 --> 00:34:27.726
Um, and here's a little tip, but you might have this on your list of, uh, of facts, Chris, that, uh, Sam Neal's Australian flag is the Aboriginal flag.

00:34:27.726 --> 00:34:32.750
Not the other thing, which, which I just thought was, you know, that was so cool.

00:34:32.750 --> 00:34:41.545
And so when I was kind of coming up with, with the crew for the original, the original voyage that, that Sam Neal was kind of alluding to here.

00:34:41.545 --> 00:34:46.349
And I really wanted to make sure that we really had a.

00:34:46.349 --> 00:34:48.550
fully international crew.

00:34:48.670 --> 00:34:51.929
you know, it's humankind.

00:34:51.929 --> 00:34:53.190
Everyone is there.

00:34:53.190 --> 00:34:54.949
Everyone is represented.

00:34:55.070 --> 00:35:04.849
And obviously, as you've kind of sort of said, they're all bringing their traumas and their histories and the things that they're running away from in the same way that the characters in this film do.

00:35:04.849 --> 00:35:08.070
Because I think, you know, why would anyone go to space?

00:35:08.070 --> 00:35:12.130
Why would anyone kind of go on a voyage like that unless you were running away from something?

00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:12.590
Sure.

00:35:12.590 --> 00:35:13.530
Absolutely.

00:35:13.530 --> 00:35:18.010
want to build really quickly off what you said there a moment ago about the aboriginal flag.

00:35:18.329 --> 00:35:22.789
Actually, Fishburn's, his suit there has the American flag and it has 55 stars on it.

00:35:22.789 --> 00:35:27.210
So we've gained five states and then the EU flag has 22 instead of 20.

00:35:27.210 --> 00:35:35.989
So clearly something has happened in this universe that, know, something political has happened to that point to where we've added a couple of states here and there.

00:35:35.989 --> 00:35:41.880
So I wanted to say to around, what was it around the three minute mark?

00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:42.440
Paul W.S.

00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:48.972
Anderson makes an appearance here, says, during the dream sequence, a book floats past the camera featuring a picture of the director and his name.

00:35:48.972 --> 00:35:57.197
The director himself jokes about the detail in the DVD commentary saying that it's autobiography named Paul Anderson, A Life.

00:35:57.197 --> 00:36:01.807
So I thought that's wondering that because I saw the book float by and I'm like, hmm, I wonder what book that is.

00:36:02.923 --> 00:36:04.271
Also really quick, Christian, how's the volume?

00:36:04.271 --> 00:36:05.730
I just went and muted it.

00:36:05.730 --> 00:36:07.019
Is that better for you?

00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:07.702
I think that's better.

00:36:07.702 --> 00:36:09.538
It's less destructive.

00:36:09.538 --> 00:36:11.057
Is it muted for you guys also?

00:36:11.057 --> 00:36:12.478
Yes, yeah, and that's okay.

00:36:12.478 --> 00:36:49.521
I think the conversation is way more important So just everybody listening right now We went ahead and muted on our end just so we could have the conversation, but we're still watching it along with you So I want to do a quick because we're about to get to it here in just a moment I want oh, sorry really quick before we move on I just have to point out the fact that this little demonstration that We are showing off right now has been shown multiple times and other time travel featuring black hole movies I think most famously an interstellar They do the same thing, sort of the same demonstration where you create that hole through a black hole to move instead of thousands of years takes a Sunday stroll as someone says famously in an issue.

00:36:50.481 --> 00:36:55.882
They also do it in Thor Love and Thunder funny enough, here recently.

00:36:57.041 --> 00:36:59.942
Oh, I was going to say, let's see here.

00:36:59.942 --> 00:37:07.021
So the official name of the gateway machine that we are sort of talking about here is in the script, it's called the third containment.

00:37:07.226 --> 00:37:09.867
but it was informally called the gateway drive in the film.

00:37:09.867 --> 00:37:13.289
uh The gravity drive, excuse me, I apologize.

00:37:13.289 --> 00:37:14.628
Yes, the gravity drive.

00:37:14.628 --> 00:37:19.590
The room it stands on uh being the second containment, the corridor leading them into the first.

00:37:19.590 --> 00:37:30.306
It was originally described as a smooth and featureless black orb 10 meters or nearly 33 feet in diameter suspended in a mid air between large rotating mechanical arms.

00:37:30.306 --> 00:37:36.447
It's also said to contain a stable black hole within it at all times, which the ship used as a power source.

00:37:36.601 --> 00:37:38.797
as opposed to briefly creating one.

00:37:38.797 --> 00:37:43.177
We learned that black holes cannot be contained safely.

00:37:44.735 --> 00:37:56.235
Anderson actually decided against uh this creative decision, instead redesigning to involve interlocking rings as an homage to the puzzle box in Hellraiser in 1987.

00:37:56.235 --> 00:37:56.726
Yeah.

00:37:56.726 --> 00:38:01.858
I mean, you can see that like it's got, it's so ornate and kind of medieval in its design.

00:38:01.858 --> 00:38:02.088
Yeah.

00:38:02.088 --> 00:38:15.969
know what's interesting about that as well is it really reminds me of this book, this comic that I read not too long ago and it was like a machine that did crazy things with like ghosts and bodies.

00:38:15.969 --> 00:38:17.289
What was that one?

00:38:17.523 --> 00:38:18.123
I don't know.

00:38:18.123 --> 00:38:18.815
It's interesting.

00:38:18.815 --> 00:38:23.657
Was it prestige sized, Yeah, I think it was pretty it was god.

00:38:23.657 --> 00:38:30.833
It was good art, but you know it was getting the art was gorgeous Cormana Jormana, was that?

00:38:33.309 --> 00:38:35.085
You're talking about a spectrograph, everybody.

00:38:35.085 --> 00:38:36.565
mean, it's theme in my work.

00:38:36.565 --> 00:38:38.045
It's a common theme.

00:38:38.096 --> 00:38:40.523
Ghosts, machines and comic horror.

00:38:40.523 --> 00:38:41.376
Yes.

00:38:43.010 --> 00:38:48.556
I want to say real quickly too Anderson said while working on Soldier, which was a film he was working on before this.

00:38:48.556 --> 00:38:51.309
This is so reminiscent of and sorry, go ahead.

00:38:51.309 --> 00:38:54.550
I was gonna say it's just, it's interesting because he was working on Soldier with Kurt Russell.

00:38:54.550 --> 00:38:57.552
Kurt Russell decided to go off and work out and like get in shape.

00:38:57.552 --> 00:38:58.902
And so he did this instead.

00:38:58.902 --> 00:39:07.494
And then he got a bunch of pushback from Paramount to hurry up and get this thing done, which is again why over 30 minutes the film was sort of cut and you know, they had their hands all over it.

00:39:07.494 --> 00:39:13.275
And Kurt Russell said, uh because again, as Christian alluded to earlier, this film was not well received in the beginning.

00:39:13.536 --> 00:39:15.913
Kurt said that forget about what the movie is doing now.

00:39:15.913 --> 00:39:19.532
15 years from now, this will go, this will be a cult classic.

00:39:19.532 --> 00:39:22.411
So Kurt Russell knew what was going on even back then.

00:39:22.411 --> 00:39:23.740
Yeah, which I love.

00:39:23.740 --> 00:39:25.021
I loved Soldier.

00:39:25.021 --> 00:39:26.175
I love that.

00:39:27.507 --> 00:39:30.371
Also a commercial and financial failure.

00:39:31.054 --> 00:39:31.885
love terrible movies.

00:39:31.885 --> 00:39:33.135
can I say?

00:39:34.115 --> 00:39:42.972
This is such a funny like his chair again, if you ever watch uh Team America, World Police, you know, there's like the leader of the team and he's just like scooting back and forth across the screen.

00:39:42.972 --> 00:39:44.943
At one point he's like upside down.

00:39:44.943 --> 00:39:46.264
This is the chair.

00:39:48.992 --> 00:39:51.003
Christian, we were talking about this a moment ago.

00:39:51.003 --> 00:39:58.753
The ship design was actually inspired by, mostly inspired by the Notre Dame Cathedral, giving it that gothic and demonic appearance.

00:39:58.818 --> 00:39:59.655
Yeah.

00:39:59.938 --> 00:40:02.329
Yeah, it's absolutely cathedral-like.

00:40:03.693 --> 00:40:04.480
And then also.

00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:05.634
end of sentence.

00:40:07.021 --> 00:40:16.610
uh The ship's design and interior also includes the Latin inscription which uh Latin will get a lot of Latin throughout this film and also Christian you dabble a little bit in that with your first issue.

00:40:16.610 --> 00:40:22.836
uh The inscription says, abandon all hope ye who enter here from which is ripped directly from Dante.

00:40:23.650 --> 00:40:26.393
Yeah, they use that line in so many things.

00:40:26.393 --> 00:40:35.585
One of my favorite uses of it is um As Above So Below, which is a horror movie set in Paris where they go into the catacombs, which I've been in there and it's supposed to be the gateway to hell.

00:40:35.585 --> 00:40:36.297
Is is that H.B.

00:40:36.297 --> 00:40:37.327
Lovecraft?

00:40:38.050 --> 00:40:38.831
Who says that?

00:40:38.831 --> 00:40:39.751
As Above So Below?

00:40:39.751 --> 00:40:40.623
Okay.

00:40:40.623 --> 00:40:41.114
I don't think so.

00:40:41.114 --> 00:40:41.364
Okay.

00:40:41.364 --> 00:40:42.385
I mean, I'm just getting those two.

00:40:42.385 --> 00:40:44.438
They seem sort of playing in the same realm.

00:40:44.438 --> 00:40:46.900
So maybe I just got those two mixed.

00:40:47.402 --> 00:40:48.882
Reverse thruster.

00:40:49.643 --> 00:40:55.822
We're going to check into the event Horizon Hotel guys.

00:40:55.822 --> 00:41:03.063
You Christian, you were talking about him earlier, screenwriter oh Philip Eisner was actually inspired by The Shining.

00:41:03.063 --> 00:41:06.717
He was inspired to write this film while watching The Shining.

00:41:07.061 --> 00:41:10.106
Yeah, it's absolutely a ghost story kind of in space, right?

00:41:10.106 --> 00:41:15.804
You know, people sort of say, you know, that the alien was this kind of like haunted house film in space.

00:41:15.804 --> 00:41:16.894
It really isn't.

00:41:16.894 --> 00:41:17.777
This is.

00:41:17.777 --> 00:41:19.126
Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:19.126 --> 00:41:20.126
Absolutely.

00:41:21.409 --> 00:41:25.762
Yeah, this is the practical.

00:41:25.762 --> 00:41:32.190
I mean, I still think that right here, even 1997, I still think this looks good in terms of the limited amount of CGI.

00:41:32.190 --> 00:41:41.047
Because I think it was, I may be getting this incorrectly, I might be misquoting, but I think it was Steven Spiel, yeah, which unlucky, unlucky number, right?

00:41:42.003 --> 00:41:44.876
Even just that, like the having the Roman numerals, right?

00:41:44.876 --> 00:41:52.577
It's like, it knows what it's doing and the cloud, you don't have clouds in space, like the clouds in space, it just totally works.

00:41:52.577 --> 00:41:53.838
Yeah.

00:41:53.838 --> 00:42:05.706
The mixture of practical and CGI is I think just really well done here because again, the science wasn't quite there yet, but you guys couldn't see him.

00:42:05.706 --> 00:42:09.548
A Christian imitated the ship rattling around.

00:42:11.291 --> 00:42:16.233
I want to go back really quickly and I will not make you, you know, besmirch Mr.

00:42:16.233 --> 00:42:19.056
Anderson, Christian, but what's your favorite Paul W.S.

00:42:19.056 --> 00:42:21.536
Anderson film that's not Event Horizon?

00:42:22.349 --> 00:42:26.110
Soldier, 1998.

00:42:26.550 --> 00:42:28.030
Aaron, how about you?

00:42:28.510 --> 00:42:32.849
As the number one Mili Djevovich fan in the world, even more so than Paul W.S.

00:42:32.849 --> 00:42:35.630
Anderson, who is, you know, her husband.

00:42:36.289 --> 00:42:38.190
What's your favorite part from him?

00:42:38.190 --> 00:42:47.309
He fucking takes advantage of that situation so much I I mean I gotta say probably I mean I really do I love soldier as a film.

00:42:47.309 --> 00:43:03.498
It's one of my guilty like guiltiest pleasures But I really do enjoy I want to say like Yeah, I can't really say If you want to I mean Shopping, Mortal Kombat, Soldier, Event Horizon, Alien vs.

00:43:03.498 --> 00:43:10.677
Predator, all of Milly Jovovich's Resident Evil films, Death Race, Three Musketeers, Pompeii, Monster Hunter, and then all the Lants.

00:43:10.793 --> 00:43:12.914
I do love Death Race though.

00:43:14.275 --> 00:43:15.255
It's got to be Soldier.

00:43:15.255 --> 00:43:28.362
Like number two would be Death Race because just it's such a stupid ass movie and the whole franchise itself from when David Carradine was in it, it's just a stupid ass franchise but I love it because I would do it.

00:43:28.362 --> 00:43:29.713
I would volunteer.

00:43:29.713 --> 00:43:34.103
I would be like, I'm not in prison but I'll still do it.

00:43:34.103 --> 00:43:38.711
Very phallic, very phallic.

00:43:38.711 --> 00:43:43.916
Yeah, it's like, know, when you stroke in a dog and his little pink thing comes out a bit like that.

00:43:43.916 --> 00:43:44.525
Rock it.

00:43:44.525 --> 00:43:45.505
Okay.

00:43:47.025 --> 00:43:53.525
The interesting thing this that I noticed is on the end of this docking penis is an iris.

00:43:53.806 --> 00:43:58.806
An iris, way that they have it with the blades, it's always been something that's very ominous.

00:43:58.806 --> 00:44:09.646
Because even Stargate, when they built the iris protection device, it was in that bladed iris type of closure.

00:44:09.646 --> 00:44:12.746
so it very much like a camera, very much like a...

00:44:12.746 --> 00:44:14.030
I don't know, it's just a cool...

00:44:14.030 --> 00:44:15.557
Well, I was watching you.

00:44:15.557 --> 00:44:18.485
Yeah, again, it's very cool to use.

00:44:18.637 --> 00:44:21.918
Yeah, we'll see here in just a moment, but I'm just going to say it right now.

00:44:21.918 --> 00:44:30.898
The razor sharp tunnel that we see on the Event Horizon ship was meant to represent or supposed to look like the nine circles of hell in Dante's Inferno.

00:44:31.521 --> 00:44:33.603
This will be a good point for me to intersect.

00:44:33.603 --> 00:44:36.485
so, so obviously this was the whole thing.

00:44:36.485 --> 00:44:51.356
So basically when I pitched this, like I went back to Dante's Inferno, I went back to the Divine Comedy, you know, because there is all this kind of medieval kind of like imagery in this film and kind of like, you know, it's not, people say it's got thick, but it's not really got thick.

00:44:51.356 --> 00:44:53.798
It's much older than that.

00:44:53.798 --> 00:44:57.646
So it was always about kind of going back to those original texts.

00:44:57.646 --> 00:44:59.806
And this is where Piedmont comes from.

00:44:59.865 --> 00:45:17.266
looking at kind of like demonology and just like trying to find something that was much older, know, and it's that clash of science fiction set in the future, like a bit of a horror that we're dealing with is much, much older, which I think is always a really interesting question.

00:45:17.266 --> 00:45:26.445
think that's why this film, it just stands above like aliens or anything because the horror that's alluded to in this just feels ancient.

00:45:26.773 --> 00:45:38.311
It also is super interesting because we're talking about something that is kind of human lore that's been, that's it's so, so old.

00:45:38.311 --> 00:45:43.385
And yet we're talking about an extraterrestrial event that is happening.

00:45:43.385 --> 00:45:49.690
what like that connective tissue where it's like, it feels uh distant because they have to go into like a hyper sleep.

00:45:49.690 --> 00:45:54.443
But at the same time, it's still right there on the forefront of humanity because it happened.

00:45:54.443 --> 00:45:55.793
And we also have a name for it.

00:45:55.793 --> 00:46:01.884
We have Like the entity speaks English, know, or Latin or however you want to like kind of, but we know about it.

00:46:01.884 --> 00:46:08.056
So it has that, that familial, familiar feeling where it's like where, how does this connect?

00:46:08.056 --> 00:46:13.237
There's gotta be something ancient on earth that connects to this ancient demon or ancient evil.

00:46:13.237 --> 00:46:14.588
So I love it.

00:46:14.588 --> 00:46:18.449
And anytime you get to use these lasers in a room like this is so cool.

00:46:18.449 --> 00:46:31.362
uh So Aliens, Also, I heard that in the scenes here with them in their suits, they actually had to be hoisted up onto a crane each of them.

00:46:31.362 --> 00:46:33.164
Because again, this is practical.

00:46:33.164 --> 00:46:40.438
they and that these suits were so heavy on them that they had to be like, had all that weight taken off of them or else they would have collapsed.

00:46:40.438 --> 00:46:48.452
I know at one point I saw that Fishburn at one point had to have it completely taken off of him because he was so exhausted from wearing it.

00:46:48.452 --> 00:46:57.556
So it's just interesting that you know, as good as this looks, was obviously a freaking horrible experience for the actors.

00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.528
I mean they're almost like deep sea divers, right?

00:47:00.528 --> 00:47:01.320
Yeah.

00:47:02.402 --> 00:47:03.842
Very, very the abyss.

00:47:03.842 --> 00:47:08.588
This is the tunnel I was just speaking speaking about a moment ago that's supposed to represent the nine circles of hell.

00:47:09.550 --> 00:47:14.367
Aaron, if you I don't know if you have the transcript in front of you there, but I'd love for you.

00:47:14.367 --> 00:47:15.177
We haven't really done it yet.

00:47:15.177 --> 00:47:19.103
I just want to kind of quickly go over it before we get into the actual room there.

00:47:19.103 --> 00:47:21.056
Can you go over the cast really quickly?

00:47:21.333 --> 00:47:22.103
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:22.103 --> 00:47:23.775
Let's do the cast.

00:47:23.775 --> 00:47:25.996
Lawrence Fishburne is Captain S.J.

00:47:25.996 --> 00:47:28.797
Miller, commanding officer of the Lewis and Clark.

00:47:28.797 --> 00:47:32.900
Not the Lewis and Clark if you're a Superman fan, but the Lewis and Clark of the...

00:47:33.460 --> 00:47:35.141
Yes, not Dean Kane, not that dickhead.

00:47:35.141 --> 00:47:38.543
uh Lewis and Clark is the famous exploration team.

00:47:38.543 --> 00:47:41.164
Sam Neal, AKA uh Dr.

00:47:41.164 --> 00:47:41.985
Grant.

00:47:41.985 --> 00:47:42.326
Dr.

00:47:42.326 --> 00:47:43.365
William G.

00:47:43.365 --> 00:47:47.007
Billy Weir, designer of The Event Horizon.

00:47:47.007 --> 00:47:49.965
So, this is him going inside of his own baby.

00:47:49.965 --> 00:47:55.210
uh Kathleen Quinlan as Peters, medical technician of the Lewis and Clark.

00:47:55.210 --> 00:47:59.074
Jolie Richardson, Jolie Richardson as Lieutenant L.

00:47:59.074 --> 00:48:04.579
Stark, communications and executive officer of the Lewis and Clark, or as we call them in the military, the XO.

00:48:04.579 --> 00:48:06.170
uh Richard T.

00:48:06.170 --> 00:48:06.592
Jones.

00:48:06.592 --> 00:48:08.106
of Nick Tuck or Nick Tuck fame.

00:48:08.106 --> 00:48:10.130
You guys ever watch Nip Tuck back in the day?

00:48:10.318 --> 00:48:41.458
That one that's one I have a hard time still watching it's so weird it is weird uh Richard T Jones is TF Cooper rescue technician of the Lewis and Clark Jack nose worthy as ensign FM Justin chief engineer of the Lewis and Clark Jason Isaacs as DJ medical medical doctor of the same ship say Sean Pertwee as WF Smitty Smith pilot of the Lewis and Clark Peter Marinker as Captain John Kilpack commanding officer of the event horizon Holly chant Claire Weir, Dr.

00:48:41.458 --> 00:48:45.311
Weir's wife, aka sexy without eyes.

00:48:45.532 --> 00:48:48.594
Barclay Wright as Denny Peters, Peters' son.

00:48:48.594 --> 00:48:50.186
Noah Huntley as Eddie Corke.

00:48:50.186 --> 00:48:51.695
my God, just get it.

00:48:52.297 --> 00:49:00.364
Eddie Corke, Miller's former shipmate from the Goliath and Robert Jezak as rescue technician rescues the survivors of the Lewis and Clark.

00:49:00.364 --> 00:49:01.708
Or what's left.

00:49:01.708 --> 00:49:04.701
I was really hoping that with the low hanging fruit that is this joke.

00:49:04.701 --> 00:49:06.902
I was hoping you would have said Holly.

00:49:06.902 --> 00:49:07.972
Is it Holly Cant?

00:49:07.972 --> 00:49:08.963
Holly Chant?

00:49:08.963 --> 00:49:10.025
Chant, whatever.

00:49:10.025 --> 00:49:10.394
Dr.

00:49:10.394 --> 00:49:10.896
Weir's wife.

00:49:10.896 --> 00:49:14.568
So hot you don't need eyes to see how hot she is or something.

00:49:15.989 --> 00:49:18.811
Sorry, I apologize to all the eyeless folks out there listening right now.

00:49:18.811 --> 00:49:22.414
um This the box office of this film.

00:49:22.414 --> 00:49:23.436
Forty three million dollars.

00:49:23.436 --> 00:49:26.958
Christian, you were talking earlier about how this commercially failed.

00:49:26.958 --> 00:49:29.981
Obviously, critically, it was not really well received initially.

00:49:30.001 --> 00:49:30.360
It was.

00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.545
m created with a $60 million budget.

00:49:33.545 --> 00:49:40.842
So well below that, Aaron, as we often say here on the Oblivion Bar, if you want to make some money, it's your budget times two.

00:49:40.842 --> 00:49:44.981
You got to get that double budget or else you're not going to be making any money on the back end.

00:49:45.869 --> 00:49:46.827
of this.

00:49:47.246 --> 00:49:47.751
That's it.

00:49:47.751 --> 00:49:48.443
shot right there.

00:49:48.443 --> 00:49:49.956
That's so cool.

00:49:50.050 --> 00:49:51.070
Yeah.

00:49:51.474 --> 00:49:57.291
Again, and I think this is why this film has sort of aged a little bit better is because of things like this, right?

00:49:57.291 --> 00:50:04.617
oh It's really hard to make something iconic, visually iconic.

00:50:04.617 --> 00:50:11.170
for all of it, the problems with some of its pacing because of the curtain and everything like that.

00:50:11.190 --> 00:50:18.322
It has so many iconic images in this film that it's magic.

00:50:18.322 --> 00:50:20.373
It's catching the lightning in a bowl.

00:50:20.494 --> 00:50:21.414
Absolutely.

00:50:23.302 --> 00:50:30.621
I will also point out that Tristan is hating this room and I keep, you know, he's got a lot.

00:50:33.391 --> 00:50:35.291
Did you ever see the movie Sphere?

00:50:35.291 --> 00:50:37.762
Yeah.

00:50:37.762 --> 00:50:39.603
Michael Crichton film based off the book.

00:50:39.603 --> 00:50:49.856
I read and watched that book so many times and this would always kind of had like a similar feel to that one of like, you know, again, when you stare at the void, the voice stares back at you.

00:50:49.856 --> 00:50:53.387
And this this scene right here is the epitome of that saying.

00:50:53.934 --> 00:50:59.958
Now I don't know if we've already passed it because we've been talking but is that putting the liberate me transmission yet?

00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:01.780
Okay.

00:51:02.614 --> 00:51:03.672
Sorry spoilers.

00:51:03.672 --> 00:51:06.485
Don't put your fucking hand in there, idiot.

00:51:07.329 --> 00:51:17.431
This is still the age of horror films where it's put your whole body and or appendage into an area that you So weirdest glory hole ever.

00:51:23.672 --> 00:51:27.168
these films they love that ripple effect.

00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:32.809
And now imagine Neo's there and he's just like stopping the little bubbles.

00:51:32.846 --> 00:51:37.326
The mixture of practical and CGI there, still think it looks pretty good.

00:51:37.326 --> 00:51:41.065
I mean, I know it doesn't look great, but it looks, I think it looks pretty good for the time, especially.

00:51:41.065 --> 00:51:41.925
Yeah.

00:51:46.648 --> 00:51:47.534
Someone's gonna need some nip.

00:51:47.534 --> 00:51:48.405
Didn't lose a cigarette.

00:51:48.405 --> 00:51:49.981
Didn't even lose a cigarette.

00:51:49.981 --> 00:51:51.186
Doesn't even need to relight it.

00:51:51.186 --> 00:51:51.806
Still going.

00:51:51.806 --> 00:51:53.195
Take a drag.

00:51:53.195 --> 00:51:54.673
light it off the ladder.

00:51:56.588 --> 00:51:59.628
Is this before Boys in the Hood?

00:51:59.628 --> 00:52:02.456
I'm trying to remember if Fish Burn.

00:52:02.844 --> 00:52:04.385
poison hood came before this.

00:52:04.385 --> 00:52:04.650
Yeah.

00:52:04.650 --> 00:52:04.829
Yeah.

00:52:04.829 --> 00:52:04.873
91.

00:52:04.873 --> 00:52:05.574
Yep.

00:52:06.190 --> 00:52:10.369
I love how he's trying to put out this huge fire with that tiny-ass extinguisher.

00:52:10.369 --> 00:52:15.653
Also, think about it, year 2057 or 2047, we're still using tiny fire extinguishers.

00:52:16.443 --> 00:52:18.536
Not just that, there was a CD a minute ago.

00:52:18.536 --> 00:52:21.891
Like I couldn't even perceive.

00:52:21.891 --> 00:52:24.152
Oh, this is the pinnacle.

00:52:24.206 --> 00:52:26.786
Yeah, this is so futuristic.

00:52:26.786 --> 00:52:28.173
We're to be using these forever.

00:52:28.173 --> 00:52:29.978
Did you guys know that Paul W.

00:52:29.978 --> 00:52:36.434
Sanderson claims that he turned down directing X-Men 2000 to do this film?

00:52:38.414 --> 00:52:40.653
Did you know that?

00:52:41.434 --> 00:52:42.014
Yeah.

00:52:42.054 --> 00:52:48.793
I don't know if you guys know X-Men, you know, of course the first one over at Fox, it was in development hell for a long time.

00:52:48.793 --> 00:53:00.005
was, think it went in development in 1996 and eventually obviously came out in 2000, but it says here that Paul Anderson said he turned down directing X-Men after Mortal Kombat to do that.

00:53:00.302 --> 00:53:01.561
I can believe that.

00:53:02.465 --> 00:53:05.737
Yep, definitely in his wheelhouse at the time for sure.

00:53:07.516 --> 00:53:14.409
I will say this, like, I think even though I like Soldier, I think this is his best film.

00:53:14.862 --> 00:53:15.922
Interesting.

00:53:15.922 --> 00:53:16.501
Yeah.

00:53:16.501 --> 00:53:20.802
I mean, I think you're probably Yeah, agree with that actually.

00:53:20.802 --> 00:53:31.905
I mean again, as I said earlier, I think you know, what did I say death race is my favorite, but I think this is probably his best How come Weir didn't get his name on his space suit?

00:53:32.302 --> 00:53:33.681
Well, he's a guest, right?

00:53:33.681 --> 00:53:35.922
So he's kind of tagging along.

00:53:35.922 --> 00:53:40.461
they wouldn't have it made up, they?

00:53:40.461 --> 00:53:45.342
mean, you're telling me in 20, 2047 we can't make a name tag that quick.

00:53:46.027 --> 00:53:48.099
They can do like screen on printing right now.

00:53:48.099 --> 00:53:49.393
they can do like.

00:53:49.393 --> 00:53:51.695
Oh, that's not good.

00:53:52.057 --> 00:53:52.938
Yeah.

00:53:53.681 --> 00:53:54.572
Yeah.

00:54:01.208 --> 00:54:02.014
Peep.

00:54:02.170 --> 00:54:05.166
The magic word of this episode is goopy.

00:54:05.166 --> 00:54:10.481
oh Look at that.

00:54:10.481 --> 00:54:13.072
There's no clouds and spades, but I love it.

00:54:13.952 --> 00:54:16.590
There's no like water in space.

00:54:16.590 --> 00:54:17.940
Is there a kid in the cloud?

00:54:17.940 --> 00:54:20.891
It's so funny, I'll give you a little insight to the comic rights.

00:54:20.891 --> 00:54:30.476
So Tristan has been doing obviously a stellar job and all of his space scenes, there's no stars.

00:54:30.476 --> 00:54:35.228
And then I was just like, oh yeah, maybe we should put some stars in into the space.

00:54:35.228 --> 00:54:39.442
Everyone knows that I like a good cosmic star space.

00:54:39.442 --> 00:54:41.590
And then I said, no, he's absolutely right.

00:54:41.590 --> 00:54:44.684
We can't put stars because the clouds are covering them all.

00:54:44.684 --> 00:54:47.264
The clouds don't exist in space.

00:54:47.264 --> 00:54:56.534
you Oh, so the real life ghost ship, do you guys know the story behind the Mary Celeste?

00:54:57.793 --> 00:54:58.914
Aaron, do you know?

00:55:00.293 --> 00:55:00.833
Celeste?

00:55:00.833 --> 00:55:01.313
Oh, I'm sorry.

00:55:01.313 --> 00:55:02.333
I apologize Celeste.

00:55:02.333 --> 00:55:04.753
I'm not the, I don't know if you know this Christian by listening to the Oblivion bar.

00:55:04.753 --> 00:55:06.793
I'm not the best pronunciator.

00:55:07.521 --> 00:55:10.277
He's also never met anybody named Celeste.

00:55:10.318 --> 00:55:11.713
Yeah, it's a word I've seen.

00:55:11.713 --> 00:55:12.826
I've never said.

00:55:13.117 --> 00:55:14.983
do you know the legend behind it though?

00:55:15.510 --> 00:55:29.659
I'm assuming that it here's my assumption it went down somewhere and then arrived somewhere with no crew No, no people on it and people to this day wonder what happened and they say the ship is haunted Wow, you're really, you're just really introspective.

00:55:29.659 --> 00:55:31.983
Like how did you, how did you guess that immediately?

00:55:31.983 --> 00:55:32.844
wonder, that correct?

00:55:32.844 --> 00:55:34.125
That is, that is absolutely correct.

00:55:34.125 --> 00:55:34.945
Yes.

00:55:34.965 --> 00:55:40.092
It was a ship that had all of its supplies, everything, just no, no crew for some reason.

00:55:40.092 --> 00:55:42.050
They don't really know why still to this day.

00:55:42.050 --> 00:55:43.652
Yeah, yeah, shocker.

00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.742
Humans are just easy to know what they're going to create a story of.

00:55:49.742 --> 00:55:50.402
Yeah.

00:55:50.402 --> 00:55:52.742
Well, they always say that no, there's no original stories.

00:55:52.742 --> 00:55:54.561
There's just new ideas.

00:55:55.322 --> 00:56:00.442
So, and Christian, you touched on this quite a bit in your series and I just want to kind of lay it out there.

00:56:00.442 --> 00:56:03.902
I'm sure people who have seen this film already know this, but you know, Dr.

00:56:03.902 --> 00:56:07.101
Weir, Peters and Miller all suffer from personal guilt and trauma.

00:56:07.101 --> 00:56:16.342
You know, that's sort of a central pillar of this movie is that the trauma sort of focus and how people who, as you said, Christian earlier, people don't go into space because they're having a good life.

00:56:16.342 --> 00:56:18.461
A lot of times they're trying to run away from something.

00:56:18.885 --> 00:56:22.650
So you have Weir of course being haunted by his wife's suicide.

00:56:22.670 --> 00:56:28.336
You have Peters who abandoned her sick son and that creepy clown from that birthday party.

00:56:28.336 --> 00:56:28.637
Yep.

00:56:28.637 --> 00:56:32.070
And then you have Miller who left the crew to die in a fire.

00:56:32.070 --> 00:56:35.625
Later atones for that self-sacrifice, which we'll talk about later.

00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.422
Cooper and his fucking attitude.

00:56:39.469 --> 00:56:41.554
And that can't damn attitude.

00:56:42.398 --> 00:56:45.742
I'll tell you what though, just, you know, kind of broad strokes here.

00:56:46.143 --> 00:56:47.465
The guy who plays Cooper, Richard T.

00:56:47.465 --> 00:56:49.418
Jones, a really great character actor.

00:56:49.418 --> 00:56:52.262
I feel like every time he shows up in a film, I'm like, okay, cool.

00:56:52.262 --> 00:56:54.014
That's a nice inclusion.

00:56:54.369 --> 00:56:56.592
I mean, everyone in this film brings their own game.

00:56:56.592 --> 00:56:56.961
Yeah.

00:56:56.961 --> 00:56:59.253
mean, and also, like, let's just point out this.

00:56:59.253 --> 00:57:02.715
This was the film that Sam Neill followed Justin Park up with.

00:57:02.715 --> 00:57:03.016
Yeah.

00:57:03.016 --> 00:57:04.717
did Justin Park, then this.

00:57:04.717 --> 00:57:05.568
Yeah.

00:57:06.284 --> 00:57:18.438
just want to say that Laurence Fishburne in this is to me, this is the closest to the Morpheus character that I've ever seen like in his acting like, you know, prowess.

00:57:18.438 --> 00:57:23.599
He just like the way he stands, like he just has that air of like gravity.

00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:24.701
The gravitas.

00:57:24.701 --> 00:57:25.780
you.

00:57:26.420 --> 00:57:28.121
This is why I'm not the writer.

00:57:30.166 --> 00:57:33.876
Uhhh Shut the fuck up, Cooper.

00:57:34.478 --> 00:57:36.963
Cooper really is the antagonizer in this whole really is.

00:57:36.963 --> 00:57:37.927
He's just got a mouth on him.

00:57:37.927 --> 00:57:43.961
uh Look at the design of this ship.

00:57:43.961 --> 00:57:45.322
Look at those pillars.

00:57:47.902 --> 00:57:52.181
Trishion hates this cockpit, but I'm putting lots of...

00:57:52.663 --> 00:57:59.407
Through your guys's process, has there been any sort of, um what's the word I'm looking for here?

00:57:59.461 --> 00:58:03.905
Is there something that you had in the script that you and he was like, I don't really want to do this.

00:58:03.905 --> 00:58:04.992
And you're like, okay, that makes sense.

00:58:04.992 --> 00:58:05.802
Besides the stars.

00:58:05.802 --> 00:58:08.454
I know you mentioned that one, but like, is there another thing perhaps?

00:58:08.717 --> 00:58:17.518
I Tristan's obviously a pro, you know, and I think kind of like we're both approaching the story with a mutual love of the film.

00:58:17.797 --> 00:58:22.597
you know, it's, you know, and I think kind of like, you know, he really digs what I'm doing, thankfully.

00:58:22.597 --> 00:58:31.018
And, know, there's no greater honor than writing the script and the writer really, and an artist, sorry, really digs what you're doing and then just like really goes for it.

00:58:31.018 --> 00:58:37.538
I mean, both him and Pip, they're really bringing their A game to it.

00:58:37.538 --> 00:58:44.724
And like he's, you We haven't spoken too much about like kind of thing, but he says he really loves the scripts.

00:58:44.724 --> 00:58:46.474
He just finished an off issue tomb now.

00:58:46.474 --> 00:58:51.108
Uh, there's a really disgusting splash page in it in issue two.

00:58:51.108 --> 00:58:52.007
That's foul.

00:58:52.007 --> 00:58:53.648
I can't, I can barely look at it.

00:58:53.648 --> 00:59:02.492
um, but no, he's, he, he says, challenge, mean, I think the kind of the architecture of the ship is the challenge.

00:59:02.492 --> 00:59:05.543
mean, when he did the gravity drive room, he's George.

00:59:05.543 --> 00:59:10.039
every single little vent knows little kind of weird knobbler things that stick out.

00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:11.219
He's drawn all of them.

00:59:11.219 --> 00:59:20.969
oh oh I was just gonna I was gonna ask I know that you're you're writing But are you doing any like any interiors?

00:59:20.969 --> 00:59:22.612
Are you doing any of the art?

00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:35.826
No, it's, it's, mean, he's, Tristan is a much better fit for this than me because I think, you know, as much as I'm known for doing kind of cosmic stuff, you look at that.

00:59:36.367 --> 00:59:36.898
So good.

00:59:36.898 --> 00:59:42.891
Uh, as much as I'm known for doing cosmic stuff, it's, it's the architecture of the ship.

00:59:42.891 --> 00:59:50.836
It's the kind of tangibility of the ship that really makes the film what it is and gives it, it, it's visual identity.

00:59:50.836 --> 00:59:52.715
And so, and Tristan does that.

00:59:52.715 --> 00:59:57.514
So well, mean, think what's really cool, the restriction at the moment is known as the aliens guy.

00:59:57.514 --> 01:00:02.072
But I honestly think when it's, when it's books done, he will be the event horizon going 100%.

01:00:02.072 --> 01:00:02.284
yeah.

01:00:02.284 --> 01:00:05.405
oh I like I said earlier, I totally agree.

01:00:05.405 --> 01:00:06.266
think he's great in this.

01:00:06.266 --> 01:00:09.306
I think, again, as you said, the color is really bringing it home too.

01:00:09.385 --> 01:00:10.306
We didn't talk about this earlier.

01:00:10.306 --> 01:00:13.706
Obviously, Aaron and I are big fans of yours, Christian, even though you're a friend.

01:00:13.786 --> 01:00:18.045
I think after reading that first issue, like, this is a...

01:00:18.045 --> 01:00:21.945
It feels sort of cliche to say this, but it feels like sort of a level up in a way.

01:00:21.945 --> 01:00:22.525
Well, thank you.

01:00:22.525 --> 01:00:24.445
It was an incredible read.

01:00:24.666 --> 01:00:32.992
And I think even if you've never seen this film or you haven't seen it in a while, you can obviously pick this up and understand what's happening.

01:00:32.992 --> 01:00:33.893
That's the idea.

01:00:33.893 --> 01:00:41.333
That's absolutely the idea that I would, uh you know, I wanted it to be very new, redefending, but let's just stop for a minute.

01:00:41.333 --> 01:00:43.615
That is a bone saw.

01:00:46.221 --> 01:00:47.402
What would they have?

01:00:47.402 --> 01:00:48.103
Oh yeah.

01:00:48.103 --> 01:00:52.204
uh Bones all, right?

01:00:52.204 --> 01:00:53.461
Jesus, what was that?

01:00:53.461 --> 01:00:59.574
like like why would why would they be doing like a full on surgery in space?

01:00:59.574 --> 01:01:05.871
uh little biohazard little things on the thing there yeah I don't know He's curious.

01:01:05.871 --> 01:01:09.184
He's like laying on the table with his mouth open and his eyes open.

01:01:09.184 --> 01:01:15.159
And like, you know, you think they would try and like close it or do something because his mouth's gonna get really dry.

01:01:19.557 --> 01:01:21.090
Oh, y'all.

01:01:21.965 --> 01:01:33.226
Just make you think, you know, that supposedly this, blood orgy scene that we'll see little snippets of later on, that was cut from the film because it was so violent and gory.

01:01:33.226 --> 01:01:35.829
mean, that's, that was pretty nasty.

01:01:35.829 --> 01:01:39.532
I mean, it just makes you wonder how, how extreme it was.

01:01:39.583 --> 01:01:47.791
I just remember back, you know, years ago where you couldn't even unlike in movies or even on television, you could not show violence.

01:01:47.791 --> 01:01:49.922
Like you could not show children suffering.

01:01:49.922 --> 01:01:51.623
You could not show children with injuries.

01:01:51.623 --> 01:01:53.786
You couldn't show violence against children.

01:01:53.786 --> 01:01:58.829
And like, you know, we're going now where it's like mid nineties going into late nineties.

01:01:58.829 --> 01:02:05.684
And we've already started like showing kids with like like this kid with the shit all over his legs, sores and stuff.

01:02:05.684 --> 01:02:09.657
And it's like nowadays, like everybody's getting people getting their arms ripped off on TV.

01:02:10.061 --> 01:02:14.914
You know, Aaron, we're 40 minutes into this movie and I'm just curious why we haven't brought up Dead Space at all.

01:02:14.914 --> 01:02:17.228
Like, are you a Dead Space fan at all?

01:02:17.750 --> 01:02:20.514
I am not necessarily a Dead Space fan.

01:02:20.514 --> 01:02:23.079
um don't, I've played it.

01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:25.724
It's not, again, it's a cosmic horror.

01:02:25.724 --> 01:02:27.869
I can see where the, it's at.

01:02:27.869 --> 01:02:30.181
oh true.

01:02:30.181 --> 01:02:31.291
I like almost verbatim.

01:02:31.291 --> 01:02:31.876
Not verbatim.

01:02:31.876 --> 01:02:31.992
Yeah.

01:02:31.992 --> 01:02:34.449
It's like the influence is so intense.

01:02:34.449 --> 01:02:37.164
Christian, what are you familiar at all with the game Dead Space?

01:02:37.164 --> 01:02:37.965
I love those things.

01:02:37.965 --> 01:02:40.300
In fact, I've just bought the remaster on the PS5.

01:02:40.525 --> 01:02:42.577
Do you agree?

01:02:42.577 --> 01:02:44.469
Yeah, it's, it's, yeah.

01:02:44.469 --> 01:02:47.902
I mean, I would say it's very much, but it's the same thing, right?

01:02:47.902 --> 01:02:53.016
Going to, you know, distress call, like, you know, the ghost ship in that space.

01:02:53.016 --> 01:02:54.907
It's a ghost station.

01:02:54.967 --> 01:02:59.181
And kind of like going down and, know, discovering the whole within.

01:02:59.181 --> 01:03:00.121
it's absolutely.

01:03:00.121 --> 01:03:07.878
And I think kind of like it has, there's over than the kind of like medieval aesthetic of the event of rising.

01:03:07.878 --> 01:03:12.139
also has a lot of industrial aesthetic space does very well.

01:03:12.139 --> 01:03:13.153
Yeah, absolutely.

01:03:13.153 --> 01:03:16.248
that is the DNA that is taken from alien, right?

01:03:16.248 --> 01:03:26.351
So the alien, unlike a lot of other kind of sci-fi, unlike Star Trek, unlike Star Wars, alien, was the working class.

01:03:28.074 --> 01:03:31.235
It's all like kind of like, know, people like...

01:03:31.755 --> 01:03:33.391
He could have at least have set that stuff down.

01:03:33.391 --> 01:03:56.047
ah Christian, you were saying a moment ago, I think when, and you mentioned the blood orgy scene as well, test screens for this movie, the first, speaking of an alien reference right here, the duck scene from aliens, but point being is uh in the test screenings, the test screenings showed that executives for Paramount said that it felt too Star Trek-y.

01:03:56.047 --> 01:04:01.311
That was their big major complaint outside of the fact that it was extremely gory and a lot of test audiences.

01:04:01.311 --> 01:04:02.922
And I don't, this is silence hyperbolic.

01:04:02.922 --> 01:04:04.590
When I read it, I rolled my eyes.

01:04:04.590 --> 01:04:07.289
But apparently the first cut of this scene, the Paul W.S.

01:04:07.289 --> 01:04:17.070
Anderson cut of this movie, apparently was so gory and so just intense that there were a few audience members that fainted during the viewing.

01:04:17.789 --> 01:04:24.389
again, have kind of a hard time believing that unless you were showing up to a bunch of 80 year old Catholic women or something.

01:04:25.650 --> 01:04:38.920
It's weird, like when this film came out, I remember that a lot of the promotional stuff was, was the, and like the big taglines, at least in the UK, was it's the scariest film since The Exorcist.

01:04:39.001 --> 01:04:43.644
And like, I don't know, like I've never found it scary.

01:04:44.606 --> 01:04:49.610
I don't, it's creepy and it's effective in its creepiness.

01:04:49.610 --> 01:04:54.293
And it's kind of like, it definitely has a kind of like an air of dread.

01:04:54.349 --> 01:04:57.949
That it definitely has, it's, I don't think it's scary.

01:04:57.949 --> 01:04:59.510
Do you guys think it's scary?

01:04:59.693 --> 01:05:00.594
You know, it's interesting.

01:05:00.594 --> 01:05:13.193
don't think it's scary now, but I do remember a time in my life where this and then also funny enough, another movie that you've sort of played in the play, or at least like a genre of a movie you played around is 13 Ghosts.

01:05:13.193 --> 01:05:15.733
Both of those movies really haunted me as a young person.

01:05:15.733 --> 01:05:17.353
And I think it was because of the imagery.

01:05:17.353 --> 01:05:19.474
I don't think it was because of the content of the film.

01:05:19.733 --> 01:05:28.094
Seeing a trailer for it, as you said, seeing a trailer of what's happening in those two movies, in this movie and then 13 Ghosts just freaked me out beyond belief.

01:05:28.514 --> 01:05:29.637
So Aaron, how about you?

01:05:30.380 --> 01:05:32.190
pretty much the same as you, Chris.

01:05:32.190 --> 01:05:49.876
It was like the visuals and kind of like, I want to say it was the visuals along with the kind of like the messaging behind it was a little bit more like scary and like daunting versus being actually like an actual like scary movie, know, something that like, I don't know.

01:05:49.876 --> 01:05:53.326
just, wasn't really ready for like a lot of the visuals when I watched this.

01:05:53.326 --> 01:05:53.693
Sure.

01:05:53.693 --> 01:05:54.547
Yeah.

01:05:57.813 --> 01:06:07.056
I also don't find a glow in the dark, like circuitry, you know, great, like, like little thing that he crawled through.

01:06:07.056 --> 01:06:09.548
Yeah, I don't find that to be practical.

01:06:10.414 --> 01:06:11.436
It's interesting, like I said.

01:06:11.436 --> 01:06:12.483
That's so cool though.

01:06:12.483 --> 01:06:17.353
It looks cool, but like in my brain is like, what's the practicality of this?

01:06:19.282 --> 01:06:26.025
Oh, they're all trying to figure out if what they're seeing is like, is this really happening?

01:06:27.608 --> 01:06:35.059
So this is the thing, like, so we watch we're here and he's so like, you know, it's sus, right?

01:06:35.059 --> 01:06:38.561
It's really sus his whole, like, kind of how he's behaving.

01:06:38.561 --> 01:06:41.230
Yeah, he's so calm and like open to it.

01:06:41.230 --> 01:06:44.813
Are you buying into the conspiracy that people have been debating for years, Christian?

01:06:44.813 --> 01:06:46.257
Is that what you're implying here?

01:06:46.326 --> 01:06:57.907
I don't know about the conspiracy and I'll have to tread carefully because obviously like I'd write in the comic book Seeing Jason Isaacs as anything other than like a real son of a bitch always just weirds me out.

01:06:57.907 --> 01:07:01.936
I'm like, he is like the biggest dick in almost every movie I've seen him.

01:07:01.936 --> 01:07:10.206
It just feels out of character for him not to be like in white hair, snickering at somebody and calling them potta or something, you know?

01:07:11.248 --> 01:07:13.489
What's your guys' favorite quote from this movie?

01:07:13.489 --> 01:07:20.916
I mean, there's the, we're going, we won't need eyes to see kind of thing, but is there another scene in this movie, whether we've gotten to it yet or not?

01:07:20.916 --> 01:07:23.157
Is there something else that kind of sticks out in your brain that...

01:07:23.181 --> 01:07:26.135
sort of lives on with you even not seeing this a while.

01:07:26.135 --> 01:07:28.117
think for me, it's all the visuals, man.

01:07:28.117 --> 01:07:35.153
It's always like the visuals are what really kind of like, I don't know if I can even remember a single line.

01:07:35.153 --> 01:07:43.481
Like at least like I can't recall like off the top of my head, but it's all the, it's a very, very, and I think that's why I was really excited to do it.

01:07:43.481 --> 01:07:56.824
it feels like a comic book movie, even though it isn't, you know, it's all call imagery, call imagery, call imagery, set piece, set piece, set piece, rather than, uh you know, something that's, that's really quote.

01:07:56.824 --> 01:07:58.057
There some stars.

01:07:59.041 --> 01:08:00.322
Bell, bellic.

01:08:00.322 --> 01:08:01.630
Look at that lightning.

01:08:01.878 --> 01:08:04.521
My favorite line is, fuck this ship.

01:08:06.702 --> 01:08:17.061
I think my favorite scene is the one we were talking about earlier with the weir when he sees his wife in the chair and you see you can see her reflection but at the top you can see the eyes at the top of the screen.

01:08:17.061 --> 01:08:21.801
I remember noticing that even as a young person just being again freaked out just by the imagery of it.

01:08:21.801 --> 01:08:36.247
And I love that idea of showing without focusing you know and and Christian I think you do something very similar in your first issue of Dark Descent where there's a there's one scene in particular that Can we talk about Quan at all?

01:08:36.247 --> 01:08:37.118
Can we talk about that at all?

01:08:37.118 --> 01:08:40.220
I don't want to spoil anything, but do you know what I'm talking about?

01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:41.756
Talking about WhatsApp.

01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:44.161
Is uh it, what's Kwan?

01:08:44.161 --> 01:08:47.610
that the- yeah, yeah, Where she's looking out into space?

01:08:49.152 --> 01:08:51.993
Am I able to say what that scene is or should we leave it off?

01:08:53.069 --> 01:08:53.600
Okay.

01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:54.220
All right.

01:08:54.220 --> 01:08:54.493
Yeah.

01:08:54.493 --> 01:08:56.764
Anyway, point being is that, yeah, yeah.

01:08:56.764 --> 01:09:05.076
Point being is that like, if you've read that first issue, I feel like you and Tristan and Pip as well do a similar thing.

01:09:05.556 --> 01:09:11.047
And I, is this something that you put in the script or is this something that you say, Tristan have fun?

01:09:11.576 --> 01:09:12.807
No, that's in the script.

01:09:12.807 --> 01:09:19.170
Yeah, uh there's like...

01:09:21.166 --> 01:09:26.876
There's a scene later on that kind of relates to it, but it will make sense as you kind of go on.

01:09:26.876 --> 01:09:32.916
There's a scene later on that kind of like kind of explains what's going on, but you have to really pay attention.

01:09:35.213 --> 01:09:36.889
But you're still fucked out.

01:09:36.889 --> 01:09:38.369
Stop spoiling the comic.

01:09:38.369 --> 01:09:39.250
Sorry.

01:09:39.711 --> 01:09:40.250
angle.

01:09:40.250 --> 01:09:41.230
Dutch angle.

01:09:42.292 --> 01:09:43.052
My apologies.

01:09:43.052 --> 01:09:43.512
I'm excited.

01:09:43.512 --> 01:09:45.644
Like I said earlier, I wasn't, I'm not trying to just butter you up.

01:09:45.644 --> 01:09:47.635
I think it's an excellent first issue.

01:09:47.836 --> 01:09:50.966
And I'm excited for people to check it out after, again, listen to this.

01:09:50.966 --> 01:09:58.360
And I know people that are a fan of the movie are excited for your guys's continuation.

01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:00.046
That was Not metal.

01:10:00.046 --> 01:10:03.326
Yeah, there's been a lot of buzz.

01:10:04.666 --> 01:10:06.525
And yeah, people seem really excited.

01:10:06.525 --> 01:10:11.765
I've had loads of people that are real fans that have reached out to me that I've never read comics before.

01:10:11.765 --> 01:10:13.666
So, you know, it's a big honour.

01:10:14.072 --> 01:10:19.055
This right here, this scene, this scene right here is the proof in the pudding that Dr.

01:10:19.055 --> 01:10:21.298
Weir knew exactly what was happening.

01:10:23.307 --> 01:10:25.295
Although not proven throughout this film.

01:10:25.295 --> 01:10:26.779
Son of a bitch.

01:10:27.688 --> 01:10:28.344
Dylan.

01:10:28.344 --> 01:10:30.358
Dylan, you son of a bitch.

01:10:30.900 --> 01:10:33.766
This is our Dylan, you son of a bitch moment of the movie.

01:10:35.576 --> 01:10:36.992
The brains aren't real.

01:10:37.582 --> 01:10:39.112
They're not rear.

01:10:39.189 --> 01:10:40.217
not real.

01:10:41.494 --> 01:10:52.675
I don't know if you guys want this now or later on in the commentary, but I actually have all the deleted scenes from that original 30 minutes that was taken out of the film.

01:10:52.675 --> 01:10:56.229
So we can talk about that as we go or I trying to find out.

01:10:56.229 --> 01:11:02.344
I was actually going to try to follow along with the film and just sort of point out what was changed, but we've long since passed that.

01:11:02.368 --> 01:11:03.442
It's good.

01:11:03.587 --> 01:11:07.881
Ha I can catch us up if you guys want, if you guys want me to catch us up to where we're at now.

01:11:11.212 --> 01:11:12.036
Not everybody wants.

01:11:12.036 --> 01:11:13.409
Yeah.

01:11:14.783 --> 01:11:17.538
I think Christian and I might just be enjoying the film.

01:11:18.667 --> 01:11:20.198
hear us watch the film.

01:11:20.198 --> 01:11:22.341
Maybe have to talk about the movie.

01:11:22.921 --> 01:11:39.997
So a meeting scene at the space station between Weir and some superiors in charge of the mission where they talk about the event horizon's reappearance and Weir's consistency that he joined the rescue team, which is not salvage, not salvageable by his reputation, but instead uh needs the ship's technology to establish more earth colonies.

01:11:39.997 --> 01:11:42.588
Dialogue from this latest scene was included in the theatrical trailer.

01:11:42.588 --> 01:11:43.439
There's a lot of that.

01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:46.641
You'll see a lot of it was in the trailer, didn't make it in the film.

01:11:47.462 --> 01:11:49.854
More backstory for Justin and Cooper was included.

01:11:49.854 --> 01:12:18.350
We had a deleted backstory that hints at to a previous romance between Stark and Miller, which I can totally believe um Miller finds a ripped out tooth floating around in the event horizon uh And a lot of this exists but it's really crappy and this is what we're talking about earlier about how it just was not Savable for like a redistribution and as we talked about before the actual commentary there is now a 4k for this film So there'd be no way to restore any of that for that purpose.

01:12:19.289 --> 01:12:23.630
More scenes explaining the exact gateway to hell and the black hole.

01:12:24.350 --> 01:12:30.109
A longer version of the scene where Peters hallucinates her son with the legs all mangled as we saw with the eyes.

01:12:30.109 --> 01:12:33.210
I'm sorry, not the eyes, but the bones and such on there.

01:12:33.210 --> 01:12:35.270
With maggots all over him, director Paul W.

01:12:35.270 --> 01:12:41.510
Sanderson claimed that the maggot shot was so particularly sickening that it took people too far out of the movie to be effective.

01:12:43.774 --> 01:12:58.068
After Justin almost dies and it's inside the water tank we're has the hallucination where Justin turns into his wife Claire who comes out looks at him the scene was included in the first two test screening versions of the movie But didn't make it to the final cut So we're all caught up.

01:12:58.068 --> 01:13:05.711
That's everything that's been caught on the film thus far ah So look, Lawrence Fishburne is just so calm.

01:13:06.233 --> 01:13:07.734
Well, this is cool.

01:13:07.734 --> 01:13:09.454
It's cool.

01:13:09.716 --> 01:13:11.565
As if it's a simulation.

01:13:11.565 --> 01:13:13.417
Cool, as the other side of pillow.

01:13:16.395 --> 01:13:19.298
Have you guys ever seen the movie sunshine?

01:13:20.240 --> 01:13:21.047
Sunshine Alex.

01:13:21.047 --> 01:13:24.926
Aaron, did we watch that together?

01:13:25.007 --> 01:13:26.609
Have we seen that together?

01:13:28.152 --> 01:13:29.677
I vaguely I have weird memories of.

01:13:29.677 --> 01:13:30.231
at these.

01:13:30.231 --> 01:13:31.253
Wait, how is this work?

01:13:31.253 --> 01:13:32.055
How is that accurate?

01:13:32.055 --> 01:13:35.220
How is that angle even possible in space?

01:13:36.675 --> 01:13:56.261
Okay, and this scene right here where he uses the the boots this is again another this is where I think my dead space reference Because they do they do this exact same thing in the game where he like uses his thruster to get into the Corridor there and save him ah I would say that he's not gonna make it.

01:13:56.631 --> 01:13:58.354
Not gonna make it.

01:14:02.702 --> 01:14:07.061
Well in space, wouldn't you immediately just start to like, freeze over?

01:14:07.061 --> 01:14:08.301
You'd be, get yawned dude.

01:14:08.301 --> 01:14:10.502
Remember from the guy I was going to?

01:14:10.820 --> 01:14:14.141
I'm not your, I'm not your father, but I'm sure your daddy.

01:14:15.067 --> 01:14:15.828
What was it also?

01:14:15.828 --> 01:14:20.485
mean, even uh Peter Quill, he froze for a little bit.

01:14:22.743 --> 01:14:26.252
You have Weir in his creepy chair, seeing things.

01:14:28.376 --> 01:14:33.337
I just, you know, do they ever actually use like whatever those devices are that are like up above him in the chair?

01:14:33.337 --> 01:14:37.677
Cause it almost looks like it comes down over the face for like a helmet almost.

01:14:37.677 --> 01:14:38.565
Yeah.

01:14:40.438 --> 01:14:45.672
See earlier the liquid inside these, wait no, so on their ship it was blue.

01:14:45.672 --> 01:14:47.576
this one it's green, yeah.

01:14:53.752 --> 01:14:55.990
Clocks still work in deep space.

01:14:55.990 --> 01:14:57.135
Yep.

01:14:57.135 --> 01:14:58.497
Analog watches.

01:15:00.365 --> 01:15:03.945
I guess you could just set it and let it go, but.

01:15:04.225 --> 01:15:06.905
I tried to poke holes in this movie, I guess.

01:15:08.471 --> 01:15:10.770
may take five minutes to wipe all that blood off her neck.

01:15:10.770 --> 01:15:11.532
Yeah.

01:15:11.532 --> 01:15:12.523
Not even.

01:15:16.475 --> 01:15:21.604
Who's that in I was gonna ask, there's a guy in the tank back there.

01:15:21.604 --> 01:15:22.136
Yeah.

01:15:22.136 --> 01:15:23.390
We never forgot who he is.

01:15:23.390 --> 01:15:23.681
Him?

01:15:23.681 --> 01:15:26.216
Was that the guy they just pulled inside?

01:15:26.216 --> 01:15:30.944
I don't think I've ever noticed that before.

01:15:31.212 --> 01:15:32.125
It's probably him.

01:15:32.125 --> 01:15:32.818
It's probably the guy.

01:15:32.818 --> 01:15:36.654
They put him in there to keep him alive and not suffering.

01:15:36.654 --> 01:15:46.387
This reminds me of a scene earlier in the film where you have uh Laurence Fishburne's character in the tank and you get a quick look at him but you can totally tell that it's a like a prosthetic.

01:15:46.387 --> 01:15:49.792
Like it's a it's like a it's not even like a good prosthetic.

01:15:49.792 --> 01:15:50.913
It's like a dummy.

01:15:51.061 --> 01:15:55.369
Earlier, they all just looked like, you know, when you'd buy like a brand new like stretch Armstrong.

01:15:55.369 --> 01:15:56.030
Yeah, exactly.

01:15:56.030 --> 01:16:00.244
Oh, let's see here.

01:16:00.244 --> 01:16:04.449
My next my next fun fact about the cut scenes of the blood orgy.

01:16:04.449 --> 01:16:05.900
So we're not there yet.

01:16:06.444 --> 01:16:09.836
The blood allergy, like I'm very aware of the blood allergy.

01:16:09.836 --> 01:16:16.636
I will say uh earlier, we already passed it, but I just want to say really quickly, the uh liberate me transmission was actually misheard.

01:16:16.636 --> 01:16:18.880
It said save yourself, not save me.

01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:23.862
So that's comes into the film though, they realize that.

01:16:23.862 --> 01:16:24.684
Yep.

01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:26.824
Let's see.

01:16:31.502 --> 01:16:35.353
you Show me.

01:16:36.587 --> 01:16:37.962
I know Kung Fu.

01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:48.202
Christian, if I turn the music or the sound up just a little, right there, is that too loud for you?

01:16:50.605 --> 01:16:52.073
Like is that is that too loud?

01:16:53.069 --> 01:16:54.135
Okay now.

01:16:54.930 --> 01:16:56.243
it's gonna get louder.

01:16:56.984 --> 01:17:00.573
Tell me if it gets too loud because oh I want to be able to hear this part.

01:17:13.229 --> 01:17:16.623
I think this is my favorite sort of sequence of someone being.

01:17:16.623 --> 01:17:19.136
Yeah.

01:17:23.502 --> 01:17:28.222
Isn't that the interesting thing about trauma too is that, Aaron, we've talked about this on the show.

01:17:28.222 --> 01:17:28.653
How was that?

01:17:28.653 --> 01:17:29.203
Was that loud?

01:17:29.203 --> 01:17:36.746
uh We talked about how you don't ever get over trauma.

01:17:36.746 --> 01:17:38.456
You find new ways to adapt to it, right?

01:17:38.456 --> 01:17:44.307
That's sort of like the, I think the healthy approach to trauma and what this crew is going through.

01:17:44.648 --> 01:17:50.970
It's interesting because it's like trying to run away from something that's tied to you.

01:17:51.264 --> 01:17:51.873
Absolutely.

01:17:51.873 --> 01:17:52.014
Yeah.

01:17:52.014 --> 01:18:01.409
Trauma lives in your body and depending on how you deal with it, depending on how you choose to avoid it or bury it, it will live in different places in your body.

01:18:01.409 --> 01:18:07.163
And it's crazy how physical like trauma can be.

01:18:07.163 --> 01:18:42.037
it's really, I don't know, I never really considered it until I went through like a session of like somatic breathing where I was able to like, you know, at least release a little bit of that trauma and kind of experience it like very like vividly and to like because once you release a little bit of it then you start to understand like where it's been living in your body and that's what's insane about it and so I can absolutely feel like feel and relate feel for and relate to some of these characters for the trauma that they've been living with just being present with them.

01:18:44.203 --> 01:18:46.703
Yeah, see that's him and the guy from the airlock.

01:18:46.703 --> 01:18:54.779
oh I was talking about the body on the left side of that little tunnel there, but yeah, that does make sense.

01:18:54.779 --> 01:19:04.484
I also love the framing of the scene here where you've got, you know, these two characters talking to each other and it looks like there's two eyes on each side of them watching them have this conversation.

01:19:04.484 --> 01:19:07.192
Once they go to that wide shot again, if they do.

01:19:09.739 --> 01:19:16.126
That seems to be the theme of this entire thing is that this ship is living and watching them this entire time.

01:19:16.247 --> 01:19:17.474
That's the big twist.

01:19:17.474 --> 01:19:18.377
Spoilers.

01:19:18.377 --> 01:19:19.020
Yeah.

01:19:19.020 --> 01:19:20.192
The end of the film.

01:19:20.192 --> 01:19:24.117
Yeah, I I love the subtle sort of nod to that throughout it, right?

01:19:24.117 --> 01:19:28.600
Like it's if you if you have never seen this film, you can sort of start to piece that together.

01:19:29.682 --> 01:19:37.310
It almost seems like the centerpiece here that like the tank is almost like it's got the only bit of movement in the scene.

01:19:37.431 --> 01:19:38.944
It looks like it's like a brain or something.

01:19:38.944 --> 01:19:39.774
I don't know.

01:19:39.992 --> 01:19:42.474
To me, it feels almost like a bath house.

01:19:42.474 --> 01:19:44.493
Like this is the only place.

01:19:44.493 --> 01:19:45.993
does feel a bit soar to me.

01:19:45.993 --> 01:19:51.213
I don't want to have a look into that history of violence naked fight in this sequence.

01:19:51.213 --> 01:19:52.253
Yeah.

01:19:55.493 --> 01:20:04.113
This was back in the days of when Hollywood actors could have like not perfect veneers and receding hairlines.

01:20:04.493 --> 01:20:12.426
Now everybody has fake teeth by 21 and you know, you definitely at a picture, but I feel like Laurence Fishburne had that mole removed at some point.

01:20:12.947 --> 01:20:13.533
yeah, maybe.

01:20:13.533 --> 01:20:14.405
Yeah.

01:20:15.426 --> 01:20:18.189
And this is when people look like characters.

01:20:18.189 --> 01:20:18.689
Right.

01:20:18.689 --> 01:20:19.989
They look like people, right?

01:20:19.989 --> 01:20:22.069
Like they look like actual human beings.

01:20:22.109 --> 01:20:30.210
And I guess with the advancements of prosthetics and such, you can turn, you know, Timothy Charlemagne into, you know, Billy Joel.

01:20:30.210 --> 01:20:31.270
Is it Billy Joel?

01:20:31.270 --> 01:20:32.069
that who he plays?

01:20:32.069 --> 01:20:33.149
Bob Dylan.

01:20:33.170 --> 01:20:33.470
Yeah.

01:20:33.470 --> 01:20:34.329
Bob Dylan.

01:20:35.029 --> 01:20:37.489
But outside of that, he looks like a Greek God.

01:20:37.750 --> 01:20:39.510
So these things happen.

01:20:47.886 --> 01:20:49.012
It's starting to break.

01:20:56.854 --> 01:20:59.494
It's absolutely his best film.

01:20:59.494 --> 01:21:03.537
There's no question that this is his best film.

01:21:03.777 --> 01:21:08.689
Like, and it's so close to being a really, really good film.

01:21:08.689 --> 01:21:10.300
It's almost there.

01:21:10.300 --> 01:21:12.980
It's just slightly off.

01:21:13.220 --> 01:21:18.564
But in a weird way, I always wonder whether, is it the fact that it's slightly off?

01:21:18.564 --> 01:21:23.845
Is that the secret ingredient that gives it the charm that it has?

01:21:24.546 --> 01:21:25.806
Yeah, that's interesting.

01:21:25.806 --> 01:21:31.992
think the same thing about like, you know, the obvious one comes to my mind immediately is Alien vs.

01:21:31.992 --> 01:21:36.006
Predator, which is not a perfect film, but I feel like every time I watch it, I have a good time with it.

01:21:36.006 --> 01:21:37.140
You know what mean?

01:21:37.140 --> 01:21:43.421
Like it's just, it's a fun movie to watch even if you don't, if you just try not to really pay attention to a lot of the lore stuff that it messes with.

01:21:43.725 --> 01:21:46.289
Not as good as Killers, though.

01:21:46.530 --> 01:21:58.627
Aaron and I, uh I don't think I've told you this yet, but our Killer of Killers uh review has been getting besmirched by a couple key comic book figures throughout our space.

01:21:59.390 --> 01:22:02.353
They don't like that we're so critical of it.

01:22:02.525 --> 01:22:04.926
Oh, well, womp womp.

01:22:06.426 --> 01:22:10.377
Specifically, Greg Katzman, if he's listening, who is a marketing manager over IDW.

01:22:10.377 --> 01:22:12.347
Shout out to Greg, if he is listening.

01:22:12.708 --> 01:22:22.653
He said he didn't like our coverage of the film, to which I will say, Greg, your uh besmirchment has been noted and.

01:22:22.653 --> 01:22:28.051
uh No.

01:22:28.051 --> 01:22:28.770
No.

01:22:28.770 --> 01:22:31.492
So this thing was a lot longer initially.

01:22:31.792 --> 01:22:40.878
they were going to, the funniest thing I found out about the scene is that they were going to hire actual pornographic actors to work their way through this scene.

01:22:42.220 --> 01:22:43.621
But of course it was cut.

01:22:46.064 --> 01:22:46.737
I'm hungry.

01:22:46.737 --> 01:22:47.680
Anybody else hungry?

01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:49.490
Alright, so here we go.

01:22:49.490 --> 01:22:51.692
The infamous blood orgy video was much longer.

01:22:51.692 --> 01:22:53.252
Parts of it are still in the scene.

01:22:53.252 --> 01:22:56.755
Like the one where the crew member sticks his fingers deep into another one's eyes.

01:22:56.755 --> 01:23:02.118
A female crew member uh sodomizing uh a male crew member with an iron pipe.

01:23:02.217 --> 01:23:04.699
They were even more violent in the original version of the scene.

01:23:04.699 --> 01:23:13.685
There were also a lot more extended shots of the Event Horizon crew naked and covered in blood having violent sex and eating slash r-wording each other.

01:23:13.685 --> 01:23:19.104
A more graphic version of the scene where a crew man pulls his own intestines out of his mouth.

01:23:19.104 --> 01:23:25.029
One crew member is held and stabbed in the back of his head with a spike and part of his mouth and teeth popping out.

01:23:25.029 --> 01:23:35.057
Another crew member is crawling on the floor while others are hitting him in the legs with steel bars, smashing them into pieces as he screams in agony and crawls away in bloody pieces with legs behind him.

01:23:35.158 --> 01:23:38.220
One woman has screws drilled into her teeth.

01:23:38.220 --> 01:23:38.650
Okay.

01:23:38.650 --> 01:23:44.586
Another woman is restrained while the while her arms is broken and torn off with a hunk of metal.

01:23:45.694 --> 01:23:51.257
One woman has her breasts mulled and then ripped off and eaten by another crew member.

01:23:51.257 --> 01:23:57.582
Oh, while they're are raping are herring, are in her um another.

01:23:57.582 --> 01:23:59.462
Or is it the word?

01:23:59.644 --> 01:24:00.939
Another I'm trying.

01:24:00.939 --> 01:24:04.947
I'm trying to stay like I'm trying to keep this monetizable if it's that's even possible.

01:24:04.947 --> 01:24:14.774
um Another partly clotted blood covered woman biting her shoulder off of him is having her shoulder bitten off by a man she's having sex with.

01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:19.373
There's a lot guys, there's actually a couple more that I'm just gonna stop with, but point being is that it was much worse.

01:24:19.373 --> 01:24:21.069
What are you feeling after reading that?

01:24:21.069 --> 01:24:22.250
I feel dirty.

01:24:22.449 --> 01:24:26.466
want to shower and I need someone to hold me, I think.

01:24:26.466 --> 01:24:29.386
Yeah, I just like, I'm glad it's not in it.

01:24:30.282 --> 01:24:33.377
Now, have they explained what these tubes are?

01:24:35.252 --> 01:24:36.163
Oxygen?

01:24:36.163 --> 01:24:37.145
Oxygen.

01:24:37.145 --> 01:24:38.206
Oxygen.

01:24:44.475 --> 01:24:48.627
Why is it held in the room with the gravity sphere or the gravity engine?

01:24:49.462 --> 01:24:53.279
Ah, just saying design questions.

01:24:53.474 --> 01:24:56.492
This scene was longer with her seeing her son.

01:24:58.027 --> 01:25:03.398
To me they're like potato launchers.

01:25:06.038 --> 01:25:07.000
Fomp.

01:25:07.042 --> 01:25:08.345
Fomp.

01:25:10.158 --> 01:25:11.078
here.

01:25:16.717 --> 01:25:26.471
Apparently there's more backstory with DJ explaining the scar like I talked about earlier, Jason Isaac's character, uh where the scar on his chest came from, from a childhood surgery gone wrong.

01:25:26.471 --> 01:25:32.125
Since then, his biggest fear is being uh vasected.

01:25:32.125 --> 01:25:32.425
Yeah.

01:25:32.425 --> 01:25:33.574
Vasected, yeah.

01:25:33.574 --> 01:25:37.146
It says vasected, which sadly comes true in the end.

01:25:37.146 --> 01:25:44.689
The scene where Miller finds DJ cut open and hanging was longer and had more shots of his guts on the table, which we'll get to here in just a moment.

01:25:44.877 --> 01:25:46.600
I like they did that in midsummer.

01:25:46.989 --> 01:25:48.284
Yeah, got a version of that.

01:25:49.591 --> 01:25:53.444
This is the donut now scene chasing that.

01:25:53.765 --> 01:25:55.707
what they should have done is had a door.

01:25:56.347 --> 01:25:56.908
Yeah.

01:25:56.908 --> 01:25:57.439
Yeah.

01:25:57.439 --> 01:25:58.670
it really is.

01:26:00.289 --> 01:26:01.266
Don't do that.

01:26:04.240 --> 01:26:08.150
I can't really think of anything else I've seen Catherine Quillen in.

01:26:08.150 --> 01:26:08.851
Can you guys?

01:26:08.851 --> 01:26:10.134
I mean, I know she's a...

01:26:10.829 --> 01:26:12.301
I've seen her in quite a bit.

01:26:12.301 --> 01:26:13.181
She's in Apollo 13.

01:26:13.181 --> 01:26:15.582
She's one of, I think she's the wife of Tom Hanks.

01:26:15.742 --> 01:26:16.702
she's in America.

01:26:16.702 --> 01:26:21.261
Her first film was American Graffiti, which was George Lucas's first film.

01:26:21.261 --> 01:26:21.481
Right?

01:26:21.481 --> 01:26:22.902
Or was that Steven Spielberg?

01:26:22.902 --> 01:26:23.359
George Lucas.

01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:34.525
are in Twilight Zone, movie, obviously in, let's see, All 13, Zeus and Roxanne, Event Horizon.

01:26:37.112 --> 01:26:38.296
The hills have eyes.

01:26:38.296 --> 01:26:39.100
Yeah.

01:26:43.373 --> 01:26:43.835
Well, she's dead now.

01:26:43.835 --> 01:26:44.735
horns?

01:26:44.738 --> 01:26:45.581
Yeah.

01:26:45.581 --> 01:26:46.573
I like to earn horns.

01:26:46.573 --> 01:26:47.373
She's dead?

01:26:47.373 --> 01:26:48.314
He's dead.

01:26:48.444 --> 01:26:49.055
wow.

01:26:49.055 --> 01:26:50.065
No, no, no, I'm sorry.

01:26:50.065 --> 01:26:51.516
Not the the actor.

01:26:51.737 --> 01:26:53.537
She just died in the film.

01:26:54.859 --> 01:26:56.230
She's still alive today, thankfully.

01:26:56.230 --> 01:26:57.681
Yeah.

01:26:59.768 --> 01:27:03.006
Yeah, her first film was George Lucas's 1973 American Graffiti at the age of 19.

01:27:03.006 --> 01:27:03.782
That's awesome.

01:27:03.782 --> 01:27:04.868
I didn't know that.

01:27:05.070 --> 01:27:06.895
There's a little factoid for everybody at home.

01:27:06.895 --> 01:27:08.618
Put that in your pocket for later.

01:27:11.018 --> 01:27:18.506
more potential underlying of we're being privy.

01:27:20.877 --> 01:27:22.805
Do we know what turns their eyes black?

01:27:23.373 --> 01:27:25.310
Is that just part of process, you think?

01:27:25.645 --> 01:27:26.922
Probably a reefer.

01:27:28.695 --> 01:27:30.112
Goddamn, Reefer.

01:27:30.551 --> 01:27:31.854
for madness.

01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:36.521
He's literally calling for his wife right now.

01:27:36.521 --> 01:27:36.994
He knows.

01:27:36.994 --> 01:27:38.219
He knows.

01:27:40.301 --> 01:27:42.725
And look, he's Yep.

01:27:44.270 --> 01:27:45.158
Hmm.

01:27:49.804 --> 01:27:56.139
He did like, like Sam Neil placed the best, like kind of like man losing his mind.

01:27:56.139 --> 01:28:01.101
always, like, whenever I watch this, I always think about, you seen, uh, in the mouth of madness?

01:28:01.762 --> 01:28:06.355
Like it's like, he has that kind of like crazed look.

01:28:06.381 --> 01:28:07.219
Mm-hmm.

01:28:10.354 --> 01:28:12.217
She's got her eyes closed from in the bath.

01:28:12.217 --> 01:28:14.442
Her eyes closed because she hasn't got them anymore.

01:28:20.783 --> 01:28:21.673
jeez.

01:28:28.984 --> 01:28:34.988
That's something that I don't mean to get super serious out of nowhere, but that's something that's not generally explored.

01:28:34.988 --> 01:28:46.694
Well, I will say generally, I would say that it's not often from my perspective explored and, you know, situations where someone important to you has, you know, taken themselves out.

01:28:46.694 --> 01:28:51.208
A lot of times it's the person that's left that has to sort of pick up the pieces, right?

01:28:52.489 --> 01:28:57.826
And this is, it's almost a place to the idea that he's willing to do whatever to...

01:28:57.826 --> 01:28:59.817
to get her back in some fashion.

01:29:06.542 --> 01:29:08.413
That doesn't seem very practical.

01:29:10.081 --> 01:29:12.247
I mean the practical effect is awesome though.

01:29:12.247 --> 01:29:13.069
Yeah.

01:29:14.539 --> 01:29:16.819
or who's a little teeny weeny beeny.

01:29:16.974 --> 01:29:18.287
teeny weeny beanie.

01:29:18.287 --> 01:29:19.759
teeny weeny beanie alert.

01:29:22.948 --> 01:29:24.489
Cooper's still kicking.

01:29:24.532 --> 01:29:25.823
That son of a bitch.

01:29:33.207 --> 01:29:33.962
Why does he do that?

01:29:33.962 --> 01:29:35.305
Why does he just do that?

01:29:35.435 --> 01:29:37.710
Because he don't care about rules.

01:29:37.710 --> 01:29:39.378
You don't care about nothing.

01:29:45.494 --> 01:29:46.363
often.

01:29:46.579 --> 01:29:49.895
Often we're not seeing any facial shots.

01:29:51.240 --> 01:29:52.351
Quite telling.

01:29:55.202 --> 01:29:57.917
This scene is interesting what we're about to see here in just a moment.

01:30:01.417 --> 01:30:03.529
I don't know if this is a goof or.

01:30:05.548 --> 01:30:06.317
see.

01:30:09.047 --> 01:30:10.100
Goof troop.

01:30:10.805 --> 01:30:12.168
New boot goofin'.

01:30:14.765 --> 01:30:16.778
So, let's figure it out here.

01:30:21.645 --> 01:30:23.157
Come on, get to the other screen.

01:30:26.445 --> 01:30:27.222
He's looking for the bomb.

01:30:27.222 --> 01:30:28.701
He's looking for the bomb.

01:30:29.858 --> 01:30:31.365
What's in the box?

01:30:32.877 --> 01:30:34.118
Why is she hitting me?

01:30:36.298 --> 01:30:37.801
needle in a haystack.

01:30:45.344 --> 01:30:48.759
What toy or doll used to do that?

01:30:48.759 --> 01:30:50.100
Uh-oh.

01:30:50.100 --> 01:30:50.811
The Furby?

01:30:50.811 --> 01:30:54.747
Imagine a horror movie where it's just Furbies.

01:30:55.429 --> 01:30:56.305
That would be terrifying.

01:30:56.305 --> 01:31:00.167
So this right here pay attention to the screen when he opens that up there.

01:31:00.828 --> 01:31:04.150
I think there's an abort button on the screen that he could press.

01:31:05.872 --> 01:31:06.432
Right there.

01:31:06.432 --> 01:31:07.434
Bottom center.

01:31:07.434 --> 01:31:09.055
Disarm arm.

01:31:09.074 --> 01:31:10.775
Just disarm it right now.

01:31:11.636 --> 01:31:13.438
Don't put your head down and cry.

01:31:13.626 --> 01:31:14.958
He could have disarmed it.

01:31:15.966 --> 01:31:17.319
I don't know.

01:31:18.162 --> 01:31:23.984
Maybe that's just on the screen from another end but practically that looks like he could have disarmed it right there.

01:31:24.006 --> 01:31:25.076
But who am I?

01:31:25.301 --> 01:31:25.807
I am Buttman.

01:31:25.807 --> 01:31:29.567
oh God damn it, Cooper.

01:31:30.421 --> 01:31:31.364
goes.

01:31:33.496 --> 01:31:34.377
But he hasn't, has he?

01:31:34.377 --> 01:31:35.195
m that's right.

01:31:35.195 --> 01:31:35.556
he does.

01:31:35.556 --> 01:31:36.907
Yeah.

01:31:36.967 --> 01:31:40.171
He somehow survives that.

01:31:40.171 --> 01:31:43.810
He survived uh that splash in the face too at the beginning of the film.

01:31:46.847 --> 01:31:50.670
And this is where we start to really lean into the Cosmic Core now.

01:31:50.670 --> 01:31:51.710
Yeah.

01:31:51.890 --> 01:32:04.029
I asked you guys earlier about Sunshine because I feel like it does a similar thing as this where it starts off as a science fiction film, then it sort of slowly gets into a thriller almost.

01:32:04.029 --> 01:32:07.162
And at the end of the film, it's just a straight up slasher horror film.

01:32:07.162 --> 01:32:08.523
So W.S.

01:32:08.523 --> 01:32:09.783
Anderson did...

01:32:10.345 --> 01:32:12.506
Yeah, see, there's Cooper just floating off into space.

01:32:12.506 --> 01:32:14.188
um So W.S.

01:32:14.188 --> 01:32:15.479
Anderson did Alien vs.

01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:16.510
Predator.

01:32:16.649 --> 01:32:17.711
And in Alien vs.

01:32:17.711 --> 01:32:30.421
Predator, when they were inside the temple where everything pretty much occurs, there's like lot of, obviously, Aztec-like art and structure and statues.

01:32:30.421 --> 01:32:35.756
And that's what this ship feels like also when you look at the walls, because even though it's like kind of...

01:32:35.949 --> 01:32:38.372
uh circuitry-esque.

01:32:38.372 --> 01:32:43.858
It very much looks like almost like ancient like inscriptions and things.

01:32:43.858 --> 01:32:48.599
So it has the same familiar feeling as that temple from Aliens vs Predator.

01:32:48.599 --> 01:32:49.404
Yeah.

01:32:53.260 --> 01:32:55.472
He's definitely got a great eye, think.

01:32:55.472 --> 01:33:00.420
Paul De Bruyne, I think he knows how things should look.

01:33:00.420 --> 01:33:07.725
I tried to kind of see if we could reach out to him to kind of like talk to him about the comic because I feel like the guy's a comic fan.

01:33:07.725 --> 01:33:09.037
There's that bone song.

01:33:09.229 --> 01:33:10.689
You know, I don't know.

01:33:10.689 --> 01:33:11.909
Oh, yeah.

01:33:12.090 --> 01:33:15.569
I don't know how much he really wants to.

01:33:15.569 --> 01:33:18.130
Mess with this franchise anymore.

01:33:18.130 --> 01:33:30.789
Yeah, my my read just based on everything I learned from, you know, doing research for this commentary is that like for a while he was sort of entertaining the idea of trying to get that that footage and putting together a director's cut of some sort.

01:33:30.789 --> 01:33:34.270
But as of like 2017, he's like, it's never going to happen, guys.

01:33:34.270 --> 01:33:35.942
They just let's just drop it.

01:33:36.363 --> 01:33:43.319
And it kind of feels like David Fincher, Alien 3 type of situation where he's just ready to move on and doesn't want to mess with it anymore ever again.

01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:48.578
But it is a shame because like as we've said a number of times, it's absolutely his best film.

01:33:48.578 --> 01:33:49.378
Yeah.

01:33:50.631 --> 01:33:52.640
Ooh, luscious.

01:33:55.021 --> 01:33:56.466
There's ultimate fear right there.

01:33:56.466 --> 01:33:57.560
It's happening.

01:34:00.014 --> 01:34:02.373
What's interesting though is...

01:34:03.927 --> 01:34:13.817
He, I was gonna say weird is just, I feel like he has this almost philosophy of better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.

01:34:13.817 --> 01:34:17.873
uh Yeah, that's something.

01:34:17.873 --> 01:34:19.386
That's so Hell laser, isn't it?

01:34:19.386 --> 01:34:25.382
We talked about this film's often referred to as Hell laser in space and it's for things like that.

01:34:26.704 --> 01:34:30.872
This is very Dead Space, like using a tool as a weapon.

01:34:30.872 --> 01:34:31.087
Yep.

01:34:31.087 --> 01:34:31.500
Yeah.

01:34:31.500 --> 01:34:32.284
Yep.

01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:36.591
says here, I don't know if we've gotten here.

01:34:36.591 --> 01:34:38.029
actually, we're about to get here.

01:34:38.029 --> 01:34:55.706
So I'm just going to say now when Cooper sees the tank filling with blood, the script called him to be witnessing we're body re regenerating inside the tank, thus the appearance of blood and Cooper's reaction, and then breaking the glass from within the effects from the body's regeneration would never be completed.

01:34:55.706 --> 01:35:00.837
But shots were filmed of the newly regenerated blood covered we're climbing through the ship.

01:35:01.217 --> 01:35:10.621
So He's hunting gubbet.

01:35:16.256 --> 01:35:22.574
It feels like this showdown was always supposed to happen regardless of whether a space demon took over Weir's body or not, right?

01:35:22.574 --> 01:35:24.427
Like they were at odds the entire time.

01:35:24.427 --> 01:35:31.731
Yeah, One suspicious ladder.

01:35:32.471 --> 01:35:39.213
Do you think that if you gave Sam Neal that tool and just Laurence Fishburne, nothing else, do you think that Sam Neal could win?

01:35:39.502 --> 01:35:42.761
So I feel like Laurence Fishburne could still kick his ass even with that tool.

01:35:47.550 --> 01:35:50.914
back then because Laurence Fishburne is a shit brick house in this movie.

01:35:50.914 --> 01:35:51.666
Yeah.

01:35:53.173 --> 01:35:54.573
is a unit as the kids say.

01:35:54.573 --> 01:35:55.333
So what is this?

01:35:55.333 --> 01:35:55.993
What is this?

01:35:55.993 --> 01:35:57.514
Is this a glow stick?

01:35:57.854 --> 01:35:58.496
Smell like something?

01:35:58.496 --> 01:35:58.856
There it is.

01:35:58.856 --> 01:35:59.921
Yeah, nailed it.

01:36:01.452 --> 01:36:02.818
Nip Tuck, you gotta get up.

01:36:02.818 --> 01:36:05.097
Her acting there is perfect.

01:36:05.248 --> 01:36:09.514
my god! Have you guys ever done a sleeping, or no, a smelling salt?

01:36:09.811 --> 01:36:11.202
Yes, years ago.

01:36:11.202 --> 01:36:12.804
They are intense.

01:36:13.265 --> 01:36:19.295
It's somebody throws, like a firecracker goes off in your nose.

01:36:19.295 --> 01:36:20.815
Like that's what it feels like.

01:36:20.997 --> 01:36:24.351
It just like, it just explodes through your nose.

01:36:24.462 --> 01:36:26.328
That is some terrible posture.

01:36:27.417 --> 01:36:28.381
Is he sleeping?

01:36:28.381 --> 01:36:29.725
Oh, now he's awake.

01:36:30.463 --> 01:36:32.021
and it's not a struggle down.

01:36:40.841 --> 01:36:42.448
the classic Classic line.

01:36:42.448 --> 01:36:43.439
There it is.

01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:49.765
Speaking in again of like, say whatever you want, but that right there is an iconic horror scene.

01:36:49.765 --> 01:36:52.567
And it has been since it came out.

01:36:52.567 --> 01:36:57.109
this whole scene has lived in the zeitgeist of horror fans.

01:36:57.890 --> 01:37:08.846
I think one thing you can see from this film that, you know, everyone went in with the best intentions and like the actors obviously dug what they were doing because everyone's bringing their own game.

01:37:08.846 --> 01:37:09.327
Yeah.

01:37:09.327 --> 01:37:11.520
No one's kind of phoning in on this.

01:37:11.765 --> 01:37:14.766
No, think it just goes to show per usual.

01:37:14.766 --> 01:37:22.323
I don't think there's ever been a moment in history where the studio got involved or overly involved and it worked out, you know, like say what you want about the blood.

01:37:22.323 --> 01:37:23.923
you seen that sounds pretty terrible.

01:37:23.923 --> 01:37:25.295
What I read had to read off there.

01:37:25.295 --> 01:37:35.042
But I think that more times than not, when you let a creative fulfill their process, it works out, you know, and I get it sometimes.

01:37:35.042 --> 01:37:37.023
And apparently it was because of Titanic.

01:37:37.023 --> 01:37:38.394
That was the reason why Paul W.

01:37:38.394 --> 01:37:44.658
Sanderson had to cut out the film so much was because They wanted to get the film out before Titanic.

01:37:44.658 --> 01:37:47.155
Which is so stupid.

01:37:54.283 --> 01:37:55.738
So hellraiser.

01:37:59.136 --> 01:38:01.310
Oh, that's a nice try.

01:38:02.006 --> 01:38:03.109
Damn.

01:38:04.673 --> 01:38:08.988
Pew pew m guess we're about to get an answer to my question I had a minute ago.

01:38:13.805 --> 01:38:15.225
Here it comes.

01:38:16.706 --> 01:38:21.689
And you got the cross window.

01:38:22.805 --> 01:38:24.014
to fix window.

01:38:24.014 --> 01:38:25.310
Crucifix window.

01:38:34.894 --> 01:38:40.128
This is the era where light like like a you know, got There's one I open at least.

01:38:47.448 --> 01:38:50.377
THX, the audience is listening.

01:38:51.086 --> 01:38:57.654
I don't know much research you had to do for like this particular thing, but when it comes to space, how long can you last?

01:38:57.675 --> 01:38:58.746
Do you know anything about that?

01:38:58.746 --> 01:39:03.141
I'm just curious if that's something you looked into.

01:39:03.278 --> 01:39:20.337
No, I mean like, I I think the thing is like, you know, when you write a kind of like a science fiction or even, you know, even a fantasy to that point, like I think for me as a writer, I don't want to get bogged down in the minutia of, of, of, the reality.

01:39:20.337 --> 01:39:25.078
It's like, it's like asking me like kind of like, know, who changes the bat and bail tires, right?

01:39:25.078 --> 01:39:25.997
Do you know what mean?

01:39:28.726 --> 01:39:33.132
It's as long as it feels believable, as long it feels right.

01:39:33.132 --> 01:39:33.922
That's all you need.

01:39:33.922 --> 01:39:41.393
Especially for a film like this, you know, a story like this, you don't need it to be, you know, realistic.

01:39:41.393 --> 01:39:43.244
You know, I'm not Christopher Nolan.

01:39:43.365 --> 01:39:47.341
In case you, in case you were confused, I'm not Christopher Nolan.

01:39:47.341 --> 01:39:48.481
always said, that's what I always tell people.

01:39:48.481 --> 01:39:51.904
I'm like, Christian Ward is the Chris Nolan of comics, honestly.

01:39:51.904 --> 01:39:53.926
every hit is tenet.

01:39:53.926 --> 01:39:58.759
Tenet times ten.

01:39:58.759 --> 01:40:00.420
It says the decompression scene where Dr.

01:40:00.420 --> 01:40:04.603
Weir is ejected from the ship is one of director Paul W.S.

01:40:04.603 --> 01:40:06.594
Anderson's least favorite scenes of the film.

01:40:06.594 --> 01:40:10.216
Because they were running out of time, it had to be shot quickly and without wide shots.

01:40:10.216 --> 01:40:13.118
So it failed to become as exciting as he had hoped.

01:40:13.518 --> 01:40:15.431
I feel like it's still pretty exciting.

01:40:15.488 --> 01:40:22.782
Yeah, the shots where Miller jams the door with the tool were shot later and added just to ramp up the tension a bit.

01:40:23.086 --> 01:40:23.956
There we go.

01:40:26.872 --> 01:40:28.220
Come on, lady.

01:40:30.926 --> 01:40:32.305
It's nice to be done.

01:40:35.922 --> 01:40:39.380
some goods like vacuum act in there.

01:40:44.350 --> 01:40:46.271
wasn't that in the nick of time.

01:40:47.814 --> 01:40:57.518
I mean, I don't know what would have happened if that thing closed on her or on his arm, on her leg, could have any number of things.

01:40:57.518 --> 01:40:59.636
Have you guys seen the new Final Destination film?

01:40:59.885 --> 01:41:00.099
No.

01:41:00.099 --> 01:41:03.694
uh Yeah, I wasn't a big fan.

01:41:03.694 --> 01:41:04.125
didn't like it.

01:41:04.125 --> 01:41:10.369
But that happens where somebody is like in an elevator and they're like half in and bloop.

01:41:10.471 --> 01:41:11.613
They got yoinked.

01:41:11.863 --> 01:41:12.680
Loop.

01:41:15.315 --> 01:41:16.068
Tell me this is...

01:41:16.068 --> 01:41:16.654
Cooper?

01:41:16.654 --> 01:41:17.326
Tell me...

01:41:17.326 --> 01:41:20.777
had to eh Cooper.

01:41:20.777 --> 01:41:22.921
This dude won't die.

01:41:22.921 --> 01:41:26.836
He's like that woman in Austin Powers.

01:41:27.198 --> 01:41:29.220
Why won't you die?

01:41:32.886 --> 01:41:34.407
Let's see here.

01:41:34.747 --> 01:41:43.997
As explained by Laurence Fishburne, the man in the flames who haunts him is Edmund Coric, a young crew member who died after the accident with the Starship Goliath commanded by Miller.

01:41:43.997 --> 01:41:47.140
Originally, there was a flashback to this incident as Miller was talking.

01:41:47.140 --> 01:41:50.085
However, director Paul W.

01:41:50.085 --> 01:41:53.868
Anderson felt that Fishburne's intense performance sold it all and didn't want to cut away from it.

01:41:53.868 --> 01:41:55.550
So the scene was never filmed.

01:41:57.783 --> 01:42:01.096
says during the climax of the film where Captain Miller fights Dr.

01:42:01.096 --> 01:42:04.789
Weir and grabs the remote detonator, the scene goes into slow motion a few times.

01:42:04.789 --> 01:42:11.167
This was born out of necessity during editing as they found out that they didn't have enough shots of the scene to make it long enough.

01:42:11.167 --> 01:42:19.764
They quadrupled some frames and spliced these in, which explains why these shots were sort of static and not great quality.

01:42:19.881 --> 01:42:21.002
Interesting.

01:42:21.002 --> 01:42:21.960
Nice.

01:42:30.466 --> 01:42:34.603
Realistically, how far away do you guys think we are from this kind of space travel?

01:42:34.603 --> 01:42:36.176
Just ballpark.

01:42:36.176 --> 01:42:38.832
know I'm not giving you really any time to look it up or even like.

01:42:38.832 --> 01:42:43.137
And this political climate.

01:42:43.137 --> 01:42:44.712
Yeah, this political climate.

01:42:44.712 --> 01:42:46.889
With Elon in charge of it?

01:42:46.889 --> 01:42:48.020
I don't think so.

01:42:48.043 --> 01:42:51.948
I would give me give me a year just out of just like a good guess.

01:42:52.462 --> 01:42:55.721
I don't know, because I feel like we're definitely going backwards with science.

01:42:56.141 --> 01:42:58.670
I'm going to say probably at least 50 years.

01:42:58.670 --> 01:43:03.828
50 years, I don't even know if it's going to happen.

01:43:04.247 --> 01:43:05.720
You think we'll never get there?

01:43:06.382 --> 01:43:07.484
in our lifetime.

01:43:07.484 --> 01:43:08.757
just going to fight.

01:43:08.757 --> 01:43:14.057
it's it's never, the only people that's going to get this kind of space travel are billionaires.

01:43:16.563 --> 01:43:23.184
That's like it that bit that is the shining but with a little bit of mission impossible Yeah.

01:43:23.184 --> 01:43:29.485
eh It's in my mouth.

01:43:29.485 --> 01:43:32.765
always feel like she should have been way more covered with blood there.

01:43:32.765 --> 01:43:36.065
I I she should have just been absolutely drenched.

01:43:37.105 --> 01:43:38.025
Absolutely.

01:43:38.832 --> 01:43:39.835
This is your mission.

01:43:39.835 --> 01:43:41.831
you, should you choose to accept it?

01:43:41.831 --> 01:43:44.086
Go to space, fight a space devil.

01:43:54.456 --> 01:43:59.322
the, this is the era where when you had blood all over you, you didn't have it on your eyes.

01:43:59.322 --> 01:44:00.002
know?

01:44:00.002 --> 01:44:02.548
Oh, flame guy.

01:44:04.275 --> 01:44:07.247
He was like uh in X-Men.

01:44:08.395 --> 01:44:10.452
He's my favorite Fantastic Four member.

01:44:10.645 --> 01:44:13.389
I mean that that is very much.

01:44:13.389 --> 01:44:16.752
What's the, the, the, puzzle, the lament.

01:44:20.537 --> 01:44:27.965
I should know that my crybarker credentials now that I couldn't bring it off the top of my tongue.

01:44:28.440 --> 01:44:30.413
Not allowed in the club anymore.

01:44:30.413 --> 01:44:33.479
always say that recall is not the most important thing of nerdim.

01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:33.960
right.

01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:36.092
It's all you have three Isers.

01:44:36.092 --> 01:44:38.865
You've solidified your place in nerdim Christian.

01:44:39.268 --> 01:44:40.828
They're right there.

01:44:40.993 --> 01:44:43.725
I could buy one of those on the, could 3D print one.

01:44:43.725 --> 01:44:44.842
Kick him in the nuts.

01:44:45.387 --> 01:44:47.448
No, he cupped him.

01:44:47.448 --> 01:44:48.742
Give me a little cup.

01:44:49.899 --> 01:44:57.077
So that wasn't that wasn't assault that was just hardcore sexual harassment All right, so yeah, yeah, it's all slow motion.

01:44:57.077 --> 01:44:58.270
Yeah, you're right.

01:45:00.503 --> 01:45:02.237
did not have enough scenes.

01:45:03.141 --> 01:45:09.166
The use of water and fire around this fight symbolizes eternal damnation and cleansing.

01:45:09.166 --> 01:45:10.086
Hmm.

01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:16.127
Put some pants on, man.

01:45:16.127 --> 01:45:18.099
You're a doctor for crying out loud.

01:45:18.675 --> 01:45:20.615
I mean, this is why I wanted to do this comic.

01:45:20.615 --> 01:45:20.886
Right.

01:45:20.886 --> 01:45:30.225
So, so like, you know, when you watch this film, this, just feels like you get the tip of the iceberg of the law that they're trying to suggest.

01:45:30.225 --> 01:45:32.216
And that was the big challenge, right.

01:45:32.216 --> 01:45:46.029
In the kind of the whole synopsis of the, you know, not just the five issues that we're doing now, but hopefully the kind of the larger story kind of like wanting to kind of like delve into what this all about.

01:45:46.029 --> 01:45:46.970
What's the law?

01:45:46.970 --> 01:45:48.890
What's really going on?

01:45:48.890 --> 01:45:58.850
But also still keeping a little bit of that mystery and a little bit of that, you don't want to over explain every single thing.

01:45:58.850 --> 01:45:59.750
I mean, look at all this.

01:45:59.750 --> 01:46:02.869
This is like your Hellraiser.

01:46:03.090 --> 01:46:06.149
this was that idea of Hellraiser in space.

01:46:06.149 --> 01:46:09.029
This is why I really wanted to bring in Paimon.

01:46:09.810 --> 01:46:23.073
you know, because being a comic, can, you know, I want it to feel like comic book with like a comic book type villain that still felt like he belonged in event horizon.

01:46:23.073 --> 01:46:27.615
You know, in many ways, Piedmont becomes that kind of pinhead.

01:46:27.662 --> 01:46:50.386
Yeah, I'm already excited because like just the character design is just I don't know has this again presence and You know nothing nothing at this point and the presence is already just that of almost like like royalty like demands like a certain amount of attention even though we know nothing about him yet.

01:46:50.783 --> 01:46:51.064
you.

01:46:51.064 --> 01:46:52.274
That's very cool to hear.

01:46:52.274 --> 01:47:11.934
I mean, it was really funny cause like I did the, did the like designed in and then like all the kind of vibe we've got, we've got some amazing artists doing variant covers for the book and every single one of them, except I think maybe two have done pie mom everyone because that was right.

01:47:12.652 --> 01:47:16.988
Yeah, just to name a few you have you obviously do a variant for this series.

01:47:16.988 --> 01:47:17.841
You've got more.

01:47:17.841 --> 01:47:19.618
What are you guys say?

01:47:19.618 --> 01:47:23.319
Well, yeah, I've I've got, I've got a cover and then we've got Martin Simmons on issue one.

01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:23.619
Yeah.

01:47:23.619 --> 01:47:27.363
We've got, uh, and we've got Joshua Hickson on issue one.

01:47:27.363 --> 01:47:28.143
Yeah.

01:47:28.143 --> 01:47:28.453
Yeah.

01:47:28.453 --> 01:47:33.261
But we've got some, and obviously Jeffrey Allen love is our main artist who's just killing it.

01:47:33.261 --> 01:47:34.063
Yeah.

01:47:35.268 --> 01:47:36.270
You took my thunder Christian.

01:47:36.270 --> 01:47:38.466
was going to name them all off and be like, ha ha, you didn't know, but I did.

01:47:38.466 --> 01:47:40.680
Even though I have the resource here.

01:47:42.967 --> 01:47:45.219
Do think they have Basset-Trayson in space?

01:47:45.219 --> 01:47:47.557
Because he's going to need a lot of it.

01:47:48.497 --> 01:47:49.662
Does he?

01:47:51.778 --> 01:47:56.921
This is the thing I've always kind of wondered about this scene is does does he succeed in?

01:47:57.503 --> 01:48:10.220
Rebuting himself You know in terms of like the the what he did earlier and see why he has so much guilt as he left his crew behind That that one time there Does it make up for here and your guys is a I would say so.

01:48:10.220 --> 01:48:17.657
sacrifices himself so that his crew can escape where, you know, he was the only one that escaped from the previous catastrophe.

01:48:18.136 --> 01:48:22.442
Well, as we see here in just a moment, I mean, do they escape?

01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:23.762
Do they?

01:48:24.662 --> 01:48:25.993
Interesting things.

01:48:30.350 --> 01:49:00.014
And I think there's something interesting too about, I don't know how to purposely or properly organize this thought, but like when we see cosmic horror, Christian, you will definitely have a lot better information on this, but when we talk about cosmic horror and this like this evil entity, and we try to rationalize it as humans here on earth as like the devil or some other being, you know, I wonder if it's so old that like that's just how we rationalize it, we're not, it has nothing to do with religion.

01:49:00.014 --> 01:49:05.108
You you ever had that thought before or am I close to that?

01:49:05.108 --> 01:49:10.702
I mean, I think, I mean, if you, if you ever read, mean, Call of Cthulhu by H.B.

01:49:10.702 --> 01:49:26.922
Lovecraft deals with that credit, you know, a lot, you know, it's all about like, cults and religion and trying to, you know, and like, I'm not a religious guy, but if you look at a lot of religions critically and think, you know, how did these things happen in our culture?

01:49:26.922 --> 01:49:36.975
They're often there as ways to kind of get people to deal with scary stuff.

01:49:36.975 --> 01:49:37.777
Exactly.

01:49:37.777 --> 01:49:43.771
I think kind of, you know, that's why there's a, there's a, there's kind of like, can kind of like correlate them.

01:49:43.771 --> 01:49:50.046
And that's why you've got things like demons and hell in the Bible because it's this thing.

01:49:50.046 --> 01:49:59.175
it's so, so it's, it's, it's, it's that relationship is quite rich and you can kind of mine that quite well for kind of cosmic horror.

01:49:59.175 --> 01:50:11.377
But I think the main thing that kind of differentiates cosmic horror from just regular earthbound horror or supernatural horror is cosmic horror by its nature is incomprehendable.

01:50:11.377 --> 01:50:14.734
That is why it's scary because we cannot comprehend it.

01:50:14.734 --> 01:50:15.622
Yeah.

01:50:16.462 --> 01:50:17.487
Here he is.

01:50:20.717 --> 01:50:22.177
That's a good scream in the end.

01:50:22.177 --> 01:50:22.974
Yeah.

01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:29.305
I love this sequence.

01:50:29.543 --> 01:50:33.934
These suits are very um dead space.

01:50:33.934 --> 01:50:34.833
Yeah.

01:50:36.234 --> 01:50:38.434
And fucking Cooper is still around.

01:50:38.833 --> 01:50:40.373
That motherfucker survived.

01:50:42.333 --> 01:50:43.253
Oh.

01:50:43.413 --> 01:50:47.354
And now again, as we just spoke about a moment ago, did they escape?

01:50:47.833 --> 01:50:49.654
That's sort of the larger question.

01:50:49.654 --> 01:50:55.974
think a lot of great, some of the best horror is a lot of time it leaves you with more questions than answers.

01:50:56.213 --> 01:51:01.462
So again, as we rewatched it here and Christian, I know you said you've seen it a couple of times.

01:51:01.462 --> 01:51:05.222
even before today, because obviously you had to do a lot of research for your series.

01:51:05.222 --> 01:51:12.345
uh You seem to have like a really like nice feeling for this movie.

01:51:12.345 --> 01:51:12.826
Yeah.

01:51:12.826 --> 01:51:22.551
Has it always been like, I guess my main question is like, has it always, have you always felt like even before, I would say the last like 10 to 15 years, did you always remember this movie pretty fondly?

01:51:22.551 --> 01:51:22.881
Yeah.

01:51:22.881 --> 01:51:23.152
Yeah.

01:51:23.152 --> 01:51:23.471
Yeah.

01:51:23.471 --> 01:51:26.842
I mean, like, I I saw a perfect age of like 21.

01:51:26.842 --> 01:51:32.734
And just, you know, it had all the ingredients of the things that I liked in films.

01:51:32.734 --> 01:51:35.546
You know, it had the kind of like the supernatural elements.

01:51:35.546 --> 01:51:37.716
had the kind of like the sci fi elements.

01:51:37.716 --> 01:51:40.256
you know, visuals were really cool.

01:51:40.256 --> 01:51:52.025
But yeah, I mean, it was, was a genuine reaction when Heather told me that IDW had the license and it was a real, you know, I was really passionately wanted to to write it.

01:51:52.025 --> 01:51:57.025
I really felt like I could write a good prequel for it.

01:51:57.025 --> 01:52:19.145
And I think kind of like when you're writing any licensed comic cork or anything that isn't the character that you own, in the same way that when I did Batman and when I did Two-Face, I don't feel like you can write those stories with characters that you don't own well unless you love those characters, whatever they are.

01:52:19.145 --> 01:52:25.175
Because if you're just writing for for the paycheck, it's only gonna be so good.

01:52:25.175 --> 01:52:34.876
You have to have some affection for something to really kind of like, bring some passion and some heart into it.

01:52:35.414 --> 01:52:36.206
Agreed.

01:52:36.206 --> 01:52:44.105
You know what I think is interesting is in the doctor, the, what is her name?

01:52:44.105 --> 01:52:45.605
The one that survives with Cooper.

01:52:45.605 --> 01:52:46.945
I apologize.

01:52:47.118 --> 01:52:48.652
I'm looking it up right now.

01:52:48.652 --> 01:52:49.582
I know it's in the car.

01:52:49.582 --> 01:52:51.942
I scrolled too far in the NRN.

01:52:54.582 --> 01:52:59.025
Richard, do we have, do we ever find out what her trauma is?

01:52:59.207 --> 01:53:03.610
You know, what everybody else has something in their past, but do we ever figure out what her is?

01:53:03.971 --> 01:53:11.137
So that again, so like the, we also don't necessarily see her really like, hallucinate.

01:53:12.140 --> 01:53:21.694
So to me, much like, don't, neither do people that survived don't have any hallucinations.

01:53:21.694 --> 01:53:46.081
So that's the interesting thing to me is looking at this, I feel like they slightly did escape, but much like the movie uh Smile, trauma and like, you know, that was kind of the overall overarching uh message was that we all kind of have this trauma and like, you know, passing it on, like passes on the trauma.

01:53:46.081 --> 01:53:49.181
But like that's to me, that kind of like the premise of this film.

01:53:49.181 --> 01:53:53.864
is that she and Cooper were the only ones that didn't really have so, you know, trauma.

01:53:53.864 --> 01:53:57.367
they didn't really, they weren't necessarily susceptible to the evil.

01:53:57.367 --> 01:54:04.110
They weren't really, they didn't fall prey to it until the very end, which is again, she now has trauma.

01:54:04.110 --> 01:54:07.362
Who knows what he was going to deal with, but she definitely has trauma after living that.

01:54:07.362 --> 01:54:09.594
And that's why she, she didn't escape.

01:54:09.594 --> 01:54:13.595
So maybe he did cause he isn't traumatized, but she definitely didn't escape.

01:54:13.595 --> 01:54:15.796
And maybe, you know, who knows?

01:54:15.796 --> 01:54:17.420
Maybe there's going to be like a follow-up.

01:54:17.420 --> 01:54:19.260
Maybe that's what the TV show will be.

01:54:19.260 --> 01:54:21.650
Maybe the trauma allows her.

01:54:22.591 --> 01:54:23.908
No comment guys.

01:54:23.958 --> 01:54:24.828
Okay.

01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:27.774
I cannot confirm or deny.

01:54:27.948 --> 01:54:33.944
I'm just talking and nobody has to say anything that's in my thoughts.

01:54:33.944 --> 01:54:36.195
Great minds think alike is a good way to say it.

01:54:36.195 --> 01:54:39.929
So um this has been awesome.

01:54:39.929 --> 01:54:41.921
Thank you both so much for doing this.

01:54:41.921 --> 01:54:43.922
You know, again, and thank you for listening.

01:54:43.922 --> 01:54:45.024
Thanks for having me on my show.

01:54:45.024 --> 01:54:49.117
uh Christian, thank you so much for being here to enjoy this with us.

01:54:49.117 --> 01:54:54.332
I know it was we're probably keeping you up a little late over on your side of the world, but we appreciate you being here.

01:54:54.332 --> 01:54:59.565
And we thought this would be a fun way of, you know, just promoting Dark Descent.

01:54:59.565 --> 01:55:02.068
We're so excited for you and Tristan.

01:55:02.131 --> 01:55:07.594
And anything you want to say before we head out of here in terms of Event Horizon or otherwise?

01:55:07.863 --> 01:55:08.654
Pre-order.

01:55:08.654 --> 01:55:12.185
Can it pre-order, guys?

01:55:12.185 --> 01:55:19.219
As I've alluded to, part of the treatment pitch is kind of like a much wider story.

01:55:19.378 --> 01:55:23.121
And Paramount are excited, IDW are excited.

01:55:23.121 --> 01:55:28.162
And at the moment, I'm telling the story of what happened before.

01:55:28.162 --> 01:55:35.136
oh I would really like to tell the story of what happened after, because I think it's going to be pretty cool.

01:55:35.430 --> 01:55:36.992
We keep bragging about everybody.

01:55:36.992 --> 01:55:39.253
again, we're not just trying to Christian while he's here.

01:55:39.253 --> 01:55:42.278
ah again, he is a friend, but we're also huge fans.

01:55:42.278 --> 01:55:47.313
And we were excited to get to read that first issue early and honestly love it.

01:55:47.313 --> 01:55:49.024
So make sure you guys go check that out.

01:55:49.024 --> 01:55:52.349
Make sure you go pre-order as Christian said, July 14th.

01:55:52.349 --> 01:55:53.489
That's FOC.

01:55:53.793 --> 01:56:00.457
There's not a lot of art that I would consider going and buying like pages of.

01:56:00.819 --> 01:56:09.604
You know, there's some things that I've seen in the past that deal with like Batman and kind of like madness and like a city that's like, I don't know.

01:56:09.904 --> 01:56:10.786
you know, something like that.

01:56:10.786 --> 01:56:18.190
But like, this is a book that I would, there are some panels in this one that I would really consider buying like a page of.

01:56:18.190 --> 01:56:20.601
Yeah, yeah.

01:56:20.601 --> 01:56:30.333
So like, man, I would say listeners slash readers of this are going to be so excited when they finally pick up their issues.

01:56:30.333 --> 01:56:31.774
So highly recommend it.

01:56:31.774 --> 01:56:33.213
Highly, highly recommend it.

01:56:33.213 --> 01:56:39.438
I can't recommend it enough that this is a book that you're going to want to like read and just visually drink in.

01:56:39.438 --> 01:56:40.358
Absolutely.

01:56:41.078 --> 01:56:43.078
August 20th.

01:56:43.898 --> 01:56:49.797
That's the son of a bitch has all the talents.

01:56:49.797 --> 01:56:52.478
He's he's he's artistic and he's he's created.

01:56:52.478 --> 01:56:54.177
He has all the talents.

01:56:54.177 --> 01:56:57.698
It's All right.

01:56:57.698 --> 01:56:58.997
You can't sing.

01:57:00.090 --> 01:57:03.158
I'm You will never see me in karaoke.

01:57:03.381 --> 01:57:05.331
You and Chris have so much in common.

01:57:05.386 --> 01:57:08.416
I also cannot sing, but I'm also not a three time Eisner winner.

01:57:10.733 --> 01:57:11.854
You're still young.

01:57:11.854 --> 01:57:12.618
You're still young.

01:57:12.618 --> 01:57:14.630
All right, Crystal.

01:57:14.630 --> 01:57:15.501
Well, thank you so much again.

01:57:15.501 --> 01:57:16.221
We appreciate it.

01:57:16.221 --> 01:57:21.997
uh Everybody again, thanks for following us here today with our uh very first audio commentary.

01:57:21.997 --> 01:57:23.033
Five years of the building bar.

01:57:23.033 --> 01:57:24.729
I've never done an audio commentary.

01:57:25.283 --> 01:57:27.978
We were supposed to do it with Batman v Superman.

01:57:27.978 --> 01:57:29.661
Yeah, we were supposed to and never got to it.

01:57:29.661 --> 01:57:34.927
So if you want that go let us know we'll do it because yeah I promise you as much as I like event horizon.

01:57:35.029 --> 01:57:40.743
I will have a lot to say about Batman v Superman Go to Chris's Instagram.

01:57:41.037 --> 01:57:42.411
We should do Eddie and Vomilus.

01:57:42.411 --> 01:57:43.454
Vomilus.

01:57:43.454 --> 01:57:45.644
gosh, Christian would have a lot to say on that one.

01:57:45.644 --> 01:57:49.556
I don't know Aaron if you know this or not, but Christian doesn't really like Alien Romulus.

01:57:50.158 --> 01:57:52.512
I'm still up in the air on whether I like it or not.

01:57:52.512 --> 01:57:53.805
I'm still up in the air.

01:57:53.805 --> 01:57:54.676
I would watch it again.

01:57:54.676 --> 01:57:55.118
Absolutely.

01:57:55.118 --> 01:57:56.779
I'd be totally down for that.

01:57:57.346 --> 01:58:02.307
We should just create our own Mystery Science Theater here with Christian.

01:58:02.408 --> 01:58:03.163
We can't do that.

01:58:03.163 --> 01:58:05.997
Chris, you're too much about the facts and not about the fun.

01:58:06.240 --> 01:58:07.733
You're like, stop telling me about facts.

01:58:07.733 --> 01:58:09.885
I don't care about what the box office was.

01:58:10.605 --> 01:58:11.046
All right.

01:58:11.046 --> 01:58:13.599
Well, I know there were a couple of hiccups here and there with the sound and stuff.

01:58:13.599 --> 01:58:14.630
So we got to figure that out still.

01:58:14.630 --> 01:58:16.030
But I definitely want to do another one of these.

01:58:16.030 --> 01:58:18.713
So again, Christian, appreciate you.

01:58:18.713 --> 01:58:19.694
We'll talk soon.

01:58:19.694 --> 01:58:20.364
Everybody listen to us.

01:58:20.364 --> 01:58:21.216
Thank you so much.

01:58:21.216 --> 01:58:21.886
We appreciate it.

01:58:21.886 --> 01:58:22.877
We'll see you next week.

01:58:22.877 --> 01:58:26.420
ah Next week, Aaron, think will be the Superman review.

01:58:26.420 --> 01:58:33.076
So if you're listening to this, that means the following Monday, it'll be our review of James Gunn's Superman.

01:58:33.134 --> 01:58:35.373
Super, super, superman.

01:58:35.373 --> 01:58:36.474
One of us can sing.

01:58:36.474 --> 01:58:37.474
There you go.

01:58:37.474 --> 01:58:37.854
All right, everybody.

01:58:37.854 --> 01:58:38.993
Thank you so much for listening.

01:58:40.094 --> 01:58:41.833
We can sing.

01:58:42.854 --> 01:58:43.474
One of us can.

01:58:43.474 --> 01:58:44.033
God damn it.

01:58:44.033 --> 01:58:44.974
Everybody, we'll see you later.

01:58:44.974 --> 01:58:45.344
Bye.

01:58:45.344 --> 01:58:46.938
None of us can't hear.