200th Episode Celebration!

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And you are listening to and you are listening to and you are listening to the oblivion bar to the oblivion to the oblivion bar.

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To the best podcast in the universe, the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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you the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host Chris Hacker and Aaron Nolz.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 200 of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I am Chris Hacker, one of your co-hosts here and joining me is my BFF and my cohort throughout the entire time here at the Oblivion Bar, Knowles.

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except for maybe like two or three episodes.

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there's some in there.

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You've done some episodes without me, right?

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I've done some interviews, some bonus episodes.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I say that specifically, I think really early on there was at least one or two episodes where we had guest co-hosts because I wasn't able to be there.

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ah This is a good place to start.

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everybody, keep that in mind.

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Really quick, quick intro.

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Everybody, thank you so much for joining us for episode 200.

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This is going to be very free form.

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and do not have a transcript.

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We don't have really anything planned.

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We kind of game planed a little bit on the grid that we just uh recorded episode 171.

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But I think that we really wanted this to be really raw for episode 200.

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Just like the emotion and, uh you know, contact, right?

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Raw.

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Ooh, wrong.

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ah We want to just free flow this thing.

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Total brain dump into a conversation about the last five years doing the show.

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You know, we started doing this in April of 2020.

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It uh was sort of this nugget of an idea that we had always sort of had going back to our time in the military together.

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We wanted to create some kind of show where we talked about nerd stuff.

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That's really like the roots.

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think there was a couple of different versions of this that popped up in our heads.

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I think at one point we wanted to open a bar, a comic shop, a card shop.

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We knew that ah we wanted our own space to create and bring about almost a pocket universe.

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There it is.

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Nailed it.

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Yeah.

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And the oblivion bar was born.

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And here's a question.

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Actually, I'm going to answer a really quick question before we continue on what you just said a moment ago.

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Everyone always asks.

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And most recently, it was Paul Pope.

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He and I chatted for about 40 minutes after our conversation.

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asked, humble brag.

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We're good pals.

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We're good friends.

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He goes, where did you get the name oblivion bar?

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And I'm surprised, but he actually didn't know that it was a pocket universe in the DC universe.

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That's where it is everybody.

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for some reason not privy, but yeah, it's a pocket bar, pocket dimension, and a bar sort of setting template that a lot of the darker DC characters go and hang out in.

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like John Constantine, Detective Chim, Phantom Stranger, Spectre, Swamp Thing, all these guys go out to the Oblivion Bar.

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um And I just really liked the idea and I think that's kind of how it was born.

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I loved it instantly also.

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I'd never heard of it as well five years ago.

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ah Even recently, it's actually been a place, a location in Birds of Prey number two.

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Yes.

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think it's issue two or three where John Constantine takes black canary and I think Batgirl to the oblivion bar.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, let's go back.

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want to talk about you.

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oh You mentioned a moment ago that like I had some villain guests there at the end of the show.

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I think it's important that we got because I don't think we've actually talked about this on the show at all that there was and you can tell me if I'm like throwing you out, like throwing you out, throwing you the bus, throwing you on the bus?

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That's term?

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that's it.

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Throwing you the bus here.

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But there was like everybody, and I have gone through some trials and tribulations with the show.

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And I think the only time that we've ever come really close to like, this isn't gonna, this isn't gonna happen anymore.

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Was probably like around like episode 10, where like, we haven't found our flow yet.

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As many people already know by, time listeners of the show know that I'm an extremely anal person that requires creativity.

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I need that.

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need to be on time.

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need to, I had all these things.

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I had this laundry list and I'm not saying it's easy.

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Trust me.

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I know that.

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Aaron did his credit.

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put up with it then and he's continuing to put up with it now.

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But I think at the time you were like, this is not what I want to do.

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And you were like close to like, I don't even know how to do this anymore.

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There there were a couple of times there No, no, no, I don't I think it's been at least a year At least a year since maybe but yeah, I mean that's the thing I'm sure there's been times where you probably thought about it absolutely like like I'm fucking tired of this or something I'm sure there had to been but I think at the end of the day like, you know, I think we always come to You know, okay.

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Wait, I'll just back up a little bit There have been a few times where it's like, this is becoming too, not necessarily formulaic, but too much like a job.

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Like I'm not necessarily finding the joy in it where, cause like, again, like my whole motivation behind this was to talk to my best friend.

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My whole motivation was to interact during COVID when we couldn't travel, we couldn't do anything and like connect with my best friend and talk about the things that we love, whether it was Pokemon, whether it was video games, movies, et cetera.

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And when it got to the point where it just felt like it was becoming more of a job or a chore, and I started losing the drive to be a part of it, like, when I felt like our friendship was no longer the focus, I think that right there.

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But then again, all we had to do was come together and have a come to Jesus moment, like a talk about it.

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and we always solved the issue.

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Every single time it just took a simple conversation where it was like, my bad or my bad, or like, I understand, I get your perspective.

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No, that's not difficult.

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like, know, I gotta kind of clear the air.

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And we've always come back to continuing to do the show.

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Because I mean, at the end of the day, that's what this is for me.

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This is not just me getting to talk to you.

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because we have listeners, but it's getting me getting to talk to you because you're my best friend.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that's the ultimate goal of this whole thing.

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And that's something that I had to grow to figure out too, because I am someone who never does anything half heartedly and I refuse to do anything without putting my like 110 % into it.

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110%.

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110.

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110%.

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And I would sometimes be too, uh I would come at the conversation sort of aggressively and to sort of illustrate my frustration, which is silly, but I think we've gotten ourselves into a groove now, both from like a, I'll say like a content stage, but also like a workflow stage where like you take over some of the things on the Patreon.

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I still have like a big chunk of like the normal show, which is fine.

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Cause that's what I want.

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I want like total creative control over that.

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And I think it's like, and also at the same time I have stopped being so Obsessed and I assumed I am I'm exposing my underbelly here live on the show episode 200 for everybody if you've been following the show long enough you probably have guessed this but I'm gonna just say it right now that I was so obsessed with making getting the show to be as big as possible as quickly as possible I wanted people to be listening to the living bar and I wanted us to immediately become a hub for people to come and hear us talk about comics and movies and television and I felt all that work that we were putting in on the back end.

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if anybody who's, I'm sure most people listen to this, either know a podcaster or are a podcaster or are familiar with the process, unless you're like Joe Rogan or call her daddy, you're not getting millions of listeners.

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It's just, I mean, most people aren't getting hundreds of listens and we've been doing that for a little bit.

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That's a shameless, humble brag, but like that realization.

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Chris in 2025 compared to Chris in 2020, besides the cancer, is that that's the difference, is me going, I'm totally fine just sitting down with, preparing the way I like to prepare, sitting down with you, Aaron, and talking about a thing that we like, or talking to a person that we like.

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And that's like enough for me.

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Now, if we don't get any bigger than we are right now, I'm totally fine.

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But I mean, I think that that's the beauty of it is despite having like not been so, despite not being so consumed by it right now, we are still growing.

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And I think that that is a testament to the product that we put out and the quality of the show and the determination that we have to keep this, again, not just keep the show going, but mean, keeping our friendship going, you know, because it could, you know, What was the statistic?

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We both knew it or still know it probably, but like most podcasts don't go past episode like seven.

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29 % of podcasts in the world don't get past episode 25.

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Yeah, I was a bit off, but close enough.

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But yeah, mean, and here we 200 here we are 175 175.

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plus half that.

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Should we dive on that really quickly though?

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I just want to hammer in that, yeah, we're 175 past 25, but we also put out 171 grid episodes.

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We also put out a ton of bonus episodes.

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So I think all in all, and I actually don't have the number here in front of me, this would have been a good stat to have actually.

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To every episode we've done so far.

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It's probably sitting around 500, yeah.

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uh That's a lot of time to put into this.

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mean, not only a shout out to us, the listeners, but also our family, our supporters, our significant others, Carly, people who are cool enough to allow us to go step into our offices and record for hours on end or edit for even more hours and just have the understanding that we are like, putting out a product that we love to do.

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Because we're not, I at the end of the day, this is not a job.

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No, and I think that makes it more important.

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The fact that we do this just because we love doing it.

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We love talking to creators and each other and the friends that we've made throughout the podcasting world and, you know, or otherwise not even podcasters, just regular folks that listen to the show.

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They're all, most of them are friends now.

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Um, so just a big thank you.

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think this is a, uh, sort of a long winding road of saying thank you to you.

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Listen to this right now.

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If you're listening to this, this is Aaron and I's living document.

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of the things that we love that includes comics, movies, television, video games, anime, Muscle Mommies specifically, but I think each other as well.

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Years from now when one of us dies early from eating too much pizza or being choked out by a Muscle Mommies thighs, then we'll have this as like a breathing pocket of time that we were doing the show.

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going on a insane killer vacation with my wife and then something like, I don't know, getting lost in the Antarctic or something.

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But you know what, it's kind of funny, I wanted to bring up something that I just recently, I stumbled across just now was going through our old transcripts and I pulled up the very first transcript, which you can find, think, we should be able to, we should just post it don't think the Patreon members have access to it.

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Again, we're not going to do the whole Patreon thing, but if you want to support this nonsense, patreon.com forward slash oblivion bar pod seven day free trial.

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There are multiple tiers, all the things, but if people are interested, we love to hear, please send us a message or email us at oblivion bar pod at gmail.com.

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a copy of this thing.

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like, it's I'm just looking at it right now.

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It's like, it's so if again, inside baseball.

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um Chris, for every episode, and I've tried to I've tried to emulate and emulate and create uh a pot like a a transcript.

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But it's just it's incredible what he does.

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He is so meticulous.

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It's a sickness.

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not celebrate this.

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We'll just do a side by side comparison on social media because the transcripts we have now generally are at least three to four pages of notes and director uh credits and just everything.

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hope everyone listening doesn't think that we know all of this.

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We don't.

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We're lying to you.

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And we're still Googling shit while we're doing the show.

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But however, I'm looking at this as the very first transcript ever and it's one page.

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And it's just episode title, episode 001, Welcome to the Oblivion Bar.

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And it just says, this is our first episode, exclamation point.

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Let's begin the episode talking about who we are, establishing our credibility on the topics we will be discussing.

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And the will generally consist of, let's take five to 10 minutes per person discussing our journey.

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into the world of nerd and why we decided to create this podcast.

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From there, we'll dive into some news and notes from that week, which is April 13th, 2020, and April 9th, or between, or to April 19th, 2020.

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And here are the news and This is so interesting.

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I know it's silly of me just reading this, but it's so, I think it's interesting.

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The first images of Denise Villeneuve, see now I can't pronounce names.

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uh 2020, Denis Villou's Dune 2020 were released via Vanity Fair.

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huh.

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The pictures of the first Dune movie.

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The images show Timothy Chalamet's Paul Atreides, Rebecca Ferguson's Lady Jessica, know, Sandia, Oscar Isaac, Josh Brolin, and Jason Momoa.

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The next bit of news with Sam Raimi confirms that he's directing Doctor Strange in the Multiverse.

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Where the rumors that the director of the Evil Dead trilogy and Tobey Weir's Spider-Man trilogy circulated a few months back, he officially confirmed his involvement.

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Next up was Marvel Studios reportedly has met with John Krasinski for an undisclosed That was literally had something to do with it.

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Multi versus Manus um Isn't that funny full circle that I think one of the central pillars of the show was us discussing John Krasinski joining the Fantastic Four.

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And being Reed Richards, but now we're literally a week away from seeing this Fantastic Four movie that's been in the works since the beginning of show.

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That's funny.

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And then the last bit of news is something near and dear to both of us, which is Tron legacy director Joseph Kaczynski talks about his hope for a future sequel and believe it could still happen according to an interview with comicbook.com and here we are Anticipating yes Tron areas.

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So this is this is a Testament sir This is this is that these news and notes are a testament to us covering things that eventually will occur five years later.

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Yeah Oh, two of those things we're like literally seeing the fruits of now.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

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Why?

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Okay.

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to survive a pandemic the nerdy way.

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What have we been reading?

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What have we been playing?

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Watching, doing anything, passing time during the COVID-19 outbreak.

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think you were playing the Final Fantasy 7 remake and you were starting your A24 complete.

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watch through.

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Which I did 102 episodes, 202 movies with Hereditary being the favorite amongst all of them.

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And then apparently you read every single issue of Swamp Thing.

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Yeah, Saga Swamp Thing, I reread all through that.

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Everyone listening right now, if you haven't read Saga Swamp Thing, uh in 2020 Chris would agree with this.

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It's worth a read, it's amazing.

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And that's really it.

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mean, we did a, we had a newsletter segment, which we, you talked about like questions we got on Twitter or Instagram or on the Twitch live stream, which we used to live stream.

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let's talk about this really quick.

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So back in the day everybody we first started the oblivion bar Was it like the first nine or ten episodes?

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Yeah, we would live stream on twitch Yeah, and people would send in questions and we would answer them live on the show like in the Which again was like three people at most like if we got more than three people That's what a feat, you know But that began to be too much that began to be too taxing because Aaron as many people already already know is a little scatterbrained Sometimes a little bit a little bit And to have him also looking at the chat while we're also trying to record the episode, not a good decision.

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And also if you go back and listen to some of those episodes, Aaron's audio is way louder than mine.

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Because we were recording through your sort of, what do call it, like channel?

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Yeah, through the actual like, was, we had a chat or we had, what did we use, Zoom?

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Or we used something.

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We used some kind of online recording studio.

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It wasn't Riverside.

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Riverside, but I then I would take those videos and put it into like OBS and then I would use that to stream it, stream that to Twitch.

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that was our first few episodes.

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my gosh, yeah.

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I'm so glad we're not still doing that.

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That's funny though.

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I wish we still had some of those videos.

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That'd be fun.

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And then now I'm like looking at episode 190.

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Which is really not even a...

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like...

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199 was our Superman review.

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I didn't even go full in on that.

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Yeah.

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Because I wanted that to be more of a free flowing conversation.

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It is just pages of just notes.

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it's like, don't, again, the, know, the, the listeners, you can check out the show notes or you can check out our transcripts with the, you know, with the Patreon access.

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Um, but yeah, there's a clear evolution slash difference.

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And, and, know, and that's the other thing is like, just to be completely transparent, there have been times where we've had to delay the recording because we just, you know, did not have a transcript that was like, to the standard, which is fine.

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I think it's great because again, kind of uh one thing that we wanna talk about is some of the emails that we've gotten about uh people wanting to come onto our show.

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A few of their emails or contacts or whatever they say when they hear about us and they wanna come on the show is that, we love your interview style, we love the depth and the kind of...

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them focusing on that we don't just ask the normal, we don't just ask the normal episodes.

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I normal questions for the episodes.

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We don't just go and, know, like, hey, who's your favorite superhero?

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would you, who's your, who's your dream character that you want to write?

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Who's the dream person that you want to do a project with?

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No, like I think one thing that we've always kind of stood on as a testament to this show is the fact that we want to bring interviews to, the listeners that really break into, that they haven't heard breaks through maybe what a creative team is not used to, you know, saying or giving out, you know, not just the alpha for, you know, you know, whatever upcoming projects, but kind of that insight into their creative process or, know, when they create whatever storyline, this is the emotion that they didn't even know was attached to it.

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We've actually done that with creators, which I love.

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You know, it's funny about this conversation and I appreciate the kudos to us.

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And I think that we're allowed to have a little flowers here and there, but I have to share something.

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Uh, you know, again, we had Paul Pope on the show a couple of weeks ago and it was a great conversation, but we got one.

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got, I just, I, we need to start a segment because I think as most people know, most podcasts are specifically are creative people in general, but the moment you start getting hate mail is the moment you've made it.

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We got one piece of hate mail on our Paul Pope conversation.

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Um, So let's see here.

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this is from.

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Maybe you put their name out there.

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Uh, we'll just say, yeah, well, will say his name.

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But you're ready for this?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So anyway, if you've listened to our Paul Pope conversation and if they're listening to this episode, they're going to leave another comment.

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They're like, you know, in the beginning of the Paul Pope conversation, we do a little fart sniffing because we want to like, you know, it's, think that's okay sometimes.

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And we do it for like seven minutes, but this person says, my God, dude, serve them, serve the interview, not yourselves.

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No one is listening to this for you.

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are.

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listening for the person you're interviewing, spending an eternity, which is six minutes, six minutes and 47, 40 seconds, excuse me, of us pre-ambling before the conversation.

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Spending an eternity talking about yourselves and what fantastic interviewers you are is Bush League amateur hours.

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It's exactly what people resent about podcasters, self-indulgent, bro-y, and the worst possible way, and just unprofessional.

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You know what, I'm gonna say something really quick before you respond to that.

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I don't give a fuck.

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what anyone says.

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This is our podcast.

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And if you want to listen to Paul Pope talking about his thing, which I'm sure you should, you should, and I encourage that.

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Sorry.

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You either press the press a little 15 second button or listen to us, ham it up for a moment.

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Cause it's our show and we're allowed to be proud of ourselves.

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And that's what we're doing right now.

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We get this episode, we get this comment from this dude and we spend an entire episode.

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At least the first, let me look at my notes here.

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18 minutes or so doing that exactly that but I think that's good.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, I just thought I share that.

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That was funny.

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Thanks for your listen.

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We appreciate the listen.

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We appreciate the listen.

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hope you listen to this one too.

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Next time.

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If you leave a comment, well, to this episode, we know that you're still listening.

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So thank you.

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So thank you, undisclosed name.

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If you leave another comment, just let us know if we can say your name and tell you that you I'm gonna go fuck.

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See my name.

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There's a thing, I don't want to be mean to anybody who doesn't like the show.

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If you don't like the show, that's cool.

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But at the same time, it's these kind of comments that discourage people from being creative.

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And luckily for Erin and I, we are so narcissistic that we will continue on regardless of what anyone else thinks.

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I don't care what anyone says.

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I don't think it has anything to do with narcissism.

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Maybe, but I don't think...

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I really couldn't have a podcast without being narcissistic.

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True.

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mean, I, I'm not gonna lie and I don't think there's anybody that will not that will argue this, but yeah, I do like to hear myself talk majority of the time.

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Yep.

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Um, but I will say that that, mean, a podcaster is somebody who enjoys talking and the conversation.

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So like you're, oh, that's the problem with podcasts.

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Why are you, if you have a problem with podcasts, why are you listening to a podcast, let alone commenting on it?

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But anyway, regardless, thank you for listening.

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And thank you for the interaction.

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It's helping build us into the algorithm.

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We appreciate you.

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All Pope conversations do really well.

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So I hope we get to a point at some point in our oblivion bar history, episode 400, we're sitting here talking again, maybe not in Philadelphia, but somewhere else.

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I don't think we mentioned we're in Philadelphia today.

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You and I are together.

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We're actually together.

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We just touched.

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So everybody, we're physically together, but episode 400, I hope we have a ton of hate mail.

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so much.

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I want us to create a segment on the show that's about hate mail.

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Because the thing is, People out there who have never created anything in their lives are the ones that comment stuff like that.

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They've never created a thing in their lives.

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Because no one can have that kind of vitriol and hate towards something, a creative venture like that, unless they are so embarrassed with the fact that they can't do something similar.

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Oh, I there's the other aspect that they they that they did try and it didn't succeed and they're just frustrated which that's fine also, but again, they're I think about it like the guy from from God dad the the the Adam Sandler film.

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Uh-huh.

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Daddy.

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You know, you're not mad at me.

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You're mad at your father So it's like, know, you're right.

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Like people who have put their heart and soul into something that succeeded or failed, regardless of the outcome, I don't think that they look at other people and want to shit on them for doing something that they, like building it and continuing to do it.

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Because if anything, you have a sense of, like, I don't know, admiration or anything, because like if I see somebody, uh I mean, there's plenty of things that I failed at, that I was not good at, and I look at other people, and yeah, there's a little bit of, there's that tinge of jealousy, but there's also that tinge of admiration because, know what, maybe they weren't good at it, and they just kept practicing, and they got better at That's the developed opinion, right?

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Like if you're a developed, mature human, go, of course, every time I see someone, when I see our friends in the podcasting world getting this big guest, there's a second, not even a second, like a half a second where I go, damn it, that's a great guest.

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Damn it, how'd they do that?

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But then I'm immediately happy for them because that's awesome for them and for their show and for their listeners.

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But like, of course, I think it's all of our immediate reaction to be like green with envy.

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but it's important for us to like prop each other up, especially, I hope this person that left this comment, and again, I hate that we're focusing so much on this hate moment, but like I think it's funny and interesting and sort of a growth that, know, a growth reflection, but you know, I hope that they eventually find their niche and also we should be, if they are a comic reader, like it seems like they are, there's enough hate out there anyway.

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I hope that they wrote that as they were listening and then maybe they forgot to hit send on the positive comment.

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Once they listen to the actual episode and the rest of it, they're understand these guys.

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Farts sniff away, my friends.

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And then they forgot to hit enter and send.

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I take it back, period.

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Continue to sniff farts, exclamation point.

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And then they're like, yeah, like they spilled their ice chai latte on their computer and like, fuck, I'll never be able to take it back.

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And it's like, yeah, you can't, you just can't take back the.

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And we've been talking about it for 15 minutes now because they spilled their latte.

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Sorry about your latte, Thanks for the listen.

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Okay, so let's talk a little bit about...

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I'm just going to spitball some questions I have inside my head.

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Just top of brain, first thing that comes to mind, last 100 episodes, so nothing before episode 100.

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Does a particular interview really stick out in your brain as one that you are really proud of and one that you think, wow, we nailed that and that was so much fun and that's like...

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If you were ever going to have someone listen to the Oblivion Bar podcast, you were going to hand them this interview.

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think honestly for me it would be a priest.

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Christopher Priest.

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Yeah, of course.

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What a great conversation with him too.

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What a legend.

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50 years in the comic industry, sort of always overlooked in certain aspects.

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mean, like his Black Panther art is of course decorated, but you don't last 50 years in the comic book world by just making one successful Black Panther book in the nineties.

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You know what mean?

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Yeah.

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I think for me, was just, um one thing that you and I have kind of discussed and what we're working to do better at is bringing on marginalized, uh like, what would you call that?

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Like marginalized groups.

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we've had a lot of uh white dudes.

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m reaching out to oh creators who are LGBTQ plus, non-white, I wanna say people, oh POC.

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because for me it's important, representation matters.

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We've seen that so many times when we see these superhero films and stars on the screen and I'm trying to remember which superhero film it was, but somebody, when some kid, some guy posted a video of his kid who had like, who was black or mixed and had like really long curly hair and saw, think it might've been Spider-Man.

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I don't remember who the character was on the screen, but they were, the little kid was so excited because he saw a character in a superhero movie that looked exactly like him.

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And it was just, that was like an awe-inspiring moment and I thought it was incredible and so.

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You know, that's one thing that, you know, we've had a few LGBTQ creators.

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We've invited quite a few.

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You know, I understand that there might not be, there might be some nervousness.

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There might be some trepidation when it comes to going on to an interview.

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ah Especially when they, you know, they don't know us and it's a very, you it's a scary world out there right now.

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So ah for me, it's important when we get these non-traditional guests, like who have done incredible things, whether it's their first creative, Uh, you know adventure or it's like somebody like, you know, christopher priest who has been in the in the comic community For decades like it is so inspiring.

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It's so important and it was just incredible to again, For me, it was so important because I got to talk to him about superman lost which is you know is one of the most uh impactful storylines that i've read to date Yeah, finally got me to read superman comic and got to like somehow got me to relate to the Man of Steel, which I never had that connectivity that neck.

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Yeah.

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And so what do find crazy about it that I had that I haven't?

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Yeah, I believe that Superman is one of the most relatable characters in existence But it's also not my place to tell you which characters you connect with.

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Yeah, it's like, you know just a quick just off the top of my head like There there's all-time great comics that I can't connect with like Sandman is a good example of that for me it's not necessarily a character but it's a storyline that everyone that I respect and Enjoy say they love it, but I don't love it.

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Mm-hmm.

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So there's a disconnect for me in this story and you have that I think with Superman, I think you've even had a little bit with Wonder Woman as well, like these iconic characters that have appealed to a certain mass of people, but it took a specific story to get you there.

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And that happens all the time.

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there was a saying and I don't remember what it was, but it was like, there's no, there's no bad comic or something.

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There's no, like you just haven't read the right story or the right, you know, and I, and I find that true, but like, again, Christopher priests, uh, Superman lost and you know, just being able to talk to him about that was for me, just, it was a moment.

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Like it was a great moment for me because you know, again, I, I would be remiss if I didn't uh make this comment during this show specifically, but as the newer one in the comic, right?

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We need to retire that for episode 200.

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Never again can Aaron say that he is the newer one to comics.

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If you have a podcast that's gone 200 episodes talking about comics, you are no longer new to comics.

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between you and I.

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anyway, my Most people are like that with me.

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No, yeah, I mean, that's not I'm not trying to like boast myself, but I yeah I care about this stuff way too much.

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But my point being that um it's very rare, mean, not rare, but like in this industry, there are so many unknowns for me.

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um And with unknowns, there's questions that I haven't asked.

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There's topics that like I haven't dealt with.

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As a kid growing up who's mixed, who's black and white, I did face a lot of questions about my ethnicity, about my...

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personality, about my choices.

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uh Because I'm mixed.

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You know, and because like my brother, my brother always acted a little bit darker, you know, I say darker because people would ask me, why don't you act more black, you know, growing up.

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And so like, you know, I think about in the grand scheme of things that there are people who have, you know, issues with race and, and, know, obviously my parents raised me to be aware that there are going to be people.

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when I go into the job market and the military, cetera, experience life, there's gonna be people with ideas of racial inequality, et cetera.

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But to talk to a guy like Christopher Priest, has been such an implement, such a part of the, like an impactful, like beautiful, extremely creative part of the comic industry for so long to feel like that and to be, to have that mindset, it's...

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mind opening but mind blowing at the same time.

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it's just like, it's an, again, these are incredible experiences that we're having while being able to have a conversation about what they've created.

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You know, we're not only bringing this information and these feelings to the world, but we're experiencing them ourselves firsthand.

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So it's, mean, this show has been.

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That is, think, the greatest perk of this show is that we selfishly get to talk to these folks, but then we get to share with everybody and then they get to feel like they're in on the conversation, which is my favorite part about podcasting.

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It's part of the reason why I don't usually watch any podcasts.

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I know that sounds kind of silly as a podcaster, but I don't really like the video format.

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I obviously share our interviews on YouTube, but for the most part, when I'm listening to podcasts, I am listening to podcasts.

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don't watch podcasts.

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I think that's like the weirdest thing ever that people are starting to.

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trend more towards watching podcasts.

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ah I don't know.

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When I went to podcast movement and a couple other events, it's going to be parallel growth.

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There are going to be a lot of people who are just like you.

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There's people who can uh engage into content and absorb it and digest it visually.

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But there's still going be plenty of people out there who just aren't in a place who have to drive somewhere, who have to ride on the train or whatever.

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It's going to be audio for them.

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Yeah, I guess I'll answer my own question too.

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I mean, obvious answer here, Brian gave on over the last hundred episodes.

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It's my favorite interview that we've ever had on the show in general.

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It's my favorite episode we've ever done.

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ah Unfortunately, Aaron, you weren't there for the actual interview, but I think we had a great talk before and after.

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And Brian being that he is my favorite writer of all time.

00:36:26.461 --> 00:36:34.038
Like if you had asked again, that Chris and Aaron back in April of 2020, who are three people that you would want to have on the show?

00:36:34.253 --> 00:36:36.514
My first answer would have been Brian K.

00:36:37.193 --> 00:36:37.893
Vaughn.

00:36:37.893 --> 00:36:41.074
I didn't think it was ever gonna happen because he does not generally do podcasts.

00:36:41.074 --> 00:36:44.554
I think I've only heard maybe a handful that he's ever done.

00:36:44.693 --> 00:36:50.653
And when I had the opportunity, I jumped at it and my gosh, did it just like turn out perfectly?

00:36:50.653 --> 00:36:54.153
Like he was so awesome and warm and generous with his time.

00:36:54.153 --> 00:36:59.454
And that conversation turned out really well and I was on my game somehow, even though was nervous as fuck.

00:36:59.454 --> 00:37:03.639
And I didn't stutter a ton and I just, I think I like.

00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:08.300
practice myself into submission to the point where like when it came down to action.

00:37:08.300 --> 00:37:12.652
And the funny thing is that I had another question for him.

00:37:12.652 --> 00:37:17.369
Like in the, in the transcript that I didn't end up asking him, this is a little behind the scenes everybody.

00:37:17.369 --> 00:37:26.416
had a silver surfer question that I wanted to ask him because when we met the only time that he and I've ever met, he and I had this really cool connection about my silver surfer tattoo.

00:37:26.416 --> 00:37:27.536
He loves silver surfer.

00:37:27.536 --> 00:37:33.907
I'm actually kind of surprised that he's never written the character, but he and I talked for like 15 minutes about silver surfer.

00:37:34.030 --> 00:37:38.429
And I had this question about Silver Surfer and we didn't get to it because I didn't want to take too much of his time.

00:37:38.429 --> 00:37:40.269
We were already like brinking on an hour.

00:37:40.269 --> 00:37:41.190
So I didn't get to it.

00:37:41.190 --> 00:37:46.989
But then at the end, when I pressed, because I sent him the transcript beforehand, I was overly prepared for this conversation with VKV.

00:37:46.989 --> 00:37:50.730
I sent him the transcript and I was like, just so you know, this is what I'm going to be asking you.

00:37:50.730 --> 00:37:54.510
And at the end, when I had ended the recording, he goes, oh wait, there's a Silver Surfer question.

00:37:54.510 --> 00:37:55.309
I want to talk about it.

00:37:55.309 --> 00:38:01.150
And I did like a face palm because it sounded like he wanted to talk about it too.

00:38:01.969 --> 00:38:03.717
So I don't...

00:38:03.969 --> 00:38:11.893
I would love to tie that into a lesson in podcasting if there's any podcast listening, but truthfully, you can only be so prepared for these conversations.

00:38:11.893 --> 00:38:24.130
And I think the one thing that I've learned from interviewing and the one thing I've learned from the oblivion bar is that the more prepared and the more nervous you are for these interviews, the less prepared and the more likely you're going to fail.

00:38:24.130 --> 00:38:30.202
I know it's easy to say, but like you've got to go in and just be like, these guys are talented nerds.

00:38:30.202 --> 00:38:31.242
That's it.

00:38:31.596 --> 00:38:34.257
Yeah, it's exactly that.

00:38:34.257 --> 00:38:36.726
There is a point of over preparation.

00:38:36.726 --> 00:38:41.048
ah I mean, we could always call that preparation age.

00:38:42.148 --> 00:38:50.570
It feels good on the whole, but it just may not be the appropriate level of preparation.

00:38:50.570 --> 00:38:54.242
ah No, think that that's one thing.

00:38:54.242 --> 00:38:58.914
going into this show, ah I've had years of experience doing interviews.

00:38:58.914 --> 00:39:03.809
uh you know, because I have my journalistic background, especially dealing with the military.

00:39:03.809 --> 00:39:09.889
I've interviewed a lot of, you know, like just people I should never probably have spoken to in person, but I did.

00:39:10.170 --> 00:39:21.150
But it's so different when you are talking about something that you're like, like the military and like strategy and, you know, quality of life and things that matter to the military.

00:39:21.150 --> 00:39:28.907
And then going into, you know, switching and pivoting and going into interviewing about something that you really have.

00:39:28.907 --> 00:39:43.576
no idea about and it's just like a vast world that you can almost never, like there's no hose that is large enough to blast you with to get you all that information at one time or can you process it all.

00:39:43.576 --> 00:39:48.882
So I think that that's one thing that I have really gained from this.

00:39:49.038 --> 00:39:52.297
ah Can I build off that really quick?

00:39:53.248 --> 00:39:53.931
Do it.

00:39:53.931 --> 00:39:56.461
There's no goddamn I lost it.

00:39:56.461 --> 00:40:20.282
And there it goes and and it's gone I was just gonna say that I think I love that you're highlighting that because even as someone who loves the comics I can't know everything either maybe we should stop looking at it as like a challenge of learning everything and looking at it as a like through the lens of curiosity and that like let's let's approach this from a place of inquisitiveness and like Always act like the dumbest person in the room.

00:40:20.282 --> 00:40:30.168
Yeah, and like use that as a tool and rather than like a crux Challenge the challenge Yes, only because it's a double dog challenge.

00:40:31.471 --> 00:40:32.260
Yes, exactly.

00:40:32.260 --> 00:40:42.617
Almost double dare, you know, like, No, I would say that we were already entering that phase of the show.

00:40:42.617 --> 00:40:43.257
Yeah.

00:40:43.257 --> 00:40:58.735
And I feel like that because we are, we have officially accepted the fact that, you know, and I use the idea that we have uh this bad track record of having nothing but white guys on the show.

00:40:58.735 --> 00:40:59.304
Recently.

00:40:59.304 --> 00:41:06.007
uh Yes, but we have accepted the fact that we need to broaden our own horizons.

00:41:06.007 --> 00:41:06.838
And we've done that.

00:41:06.838 --> 00:41:11.849
We've already taken several steps to do that with uh segments like our midnight rewind.

00:41:11.911 --> 00:41:17.422
know, bringing a little bit more manga and anime and things like you started doing that as well.

00:41:17.422 --> 00:41:19.661
You've really started getting into reading manga.

00:41:19.661 --> 00:41:28.967
um Again, doing the Midnight Rewind, we focus on anime films and not just superhero films or superhero television shows or anything else.

00:41:28.967 --> 00:41:45.115
And I think that as we continue to expand our category of who we bring onto the show and what we're looking for, um I want to say it's the um only presses genderqueer, which were something that's something to look for on the horizon.

00:41:45.115 --> 00:42:06.552
are very much in that in that evolution, that phase change, where we understand that we have a responsibility to not only broaden the horizons of ourselves, but our audience as well, so that we can challenge the norms of what people do on these podcasts and who they have on.

00:42:06.552 --> 00:42:16.391
Because the reason that there's these marginalized groups that aren't getting represented on things like podcasts and stuff is because nobody thinks to talk to them or invite them on.

00:42:16.391 --> 00:42:22.103
and they're not used to it, so they're nervous and they don't have the desire to do it, let's change that.

00:42:22.103 --> 00:42:26.695
Yeah, plus their identity online is to be made fun of.

00:42:26.856 --> 00:42:40.992
We're living, unfortunately, in a world in 2025 where uh there's a large group of people, I think, especially in America, but everywhere, that like to punch down and like to make fun of those that have a harder time standing up for themselves.

00:42:42.797 --> 00:42:44.637
We're at nine o'clock right now.

00:42:44.677 --> 00:42:46.938
We're at 40 minutes.

00:42:47.557 --> 00:42:52.302
Do you wanna close it down or start shutting her down now or are you cool to do like 15 more?

00:42:52.302 --> 00:42:52.942
What do you think babe?

00:42:52.942 --> 00:42:54.885
It only took an hour 45 to get here.

00:42:57.090 --> 00:42:59.201
We're just gonna do 15 more minutes, that cool?

00:42:59.710 --> 00:43:00.722
Okay, cool.

00:43:02.797 --> 00:43:08.458
All right, so next topic here, wanna ask you, what is your, I feel like I'm interviewing you right now.

00:43:08.458 --> 00:43:09.717
This is weird.

00:43:11.077 --> 00:43:12.639
Ask me a question, damn it.

00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:26.103
I want to know like uh when it comes to the segments of the show, you know, we've introduced a few new ones, uh but we've also had our kind of our our favorites uh for you.

00:43:26.103 --> 00:43:33.085
What would you what would you consider your favorite segment and and you know, which iteration of it?

00:43:34.766 --> 00:43:38.824
You know as funny as I this might be a cop-out answer, but it's the interview.

00:43:38.824 --> 00:43:41.905
I love the interview on the show I think that's our best segment.

00:43:41.905 --> 00:44:17.653
I think that's the reason why most people listen I think we're good at it again fart sniffing here It is but like I love the interview because it gets us the opportunity to talk to creators that we already enjoy Like everyone listening I'm sure you're probably know this but we don't talk to anybody on the show that we don't already enjoy their work So it just gives us an excuse to talk to them and then we get to put it out to all of you to listen So if I don't give like a sort of a vanilla answer like that, ah I would say I really, really love Battle Royale.

00:44:18.134 --> 00:44:23.335
You know, I think it's between that and the comic creators fancy draft, which we've only done two of, but both of those have been really fun.

00:44:23.335 --> 00:44:27.297
Having a lot of our podcasting friends come over and do that is so much fun.

00:44:27.297 --> 00:44:32.621
But Battle Royale, what it's just me and you, and we get to discuss five.

00:44:32.621 --> 00:44:39.061
random battles and figure out who would win and we're very, you know, we're competitive, but we're also fair.

00:44:39.081 --> 00:44:40.141
It's just a lot of fun.

00:44:40.141 --> 00:44:41.021
What about you?

00:44:41.516 --> 00:44:48.635
Man, I really agree with both of those, ah I think using the interview segment is an absolute cop out.

00:44:48.635 --> 00:44:52.800
uh So I accept your answer about a Royale.

00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:54.012
uh Um.

00:44:55.213 --> 00:44:59.114
I gotta say, like I do love Battle Royale.

00:44:59.114 --> 00:45:02.393
I really enjoy Midnight Rewind.

00:45:02.393 --> 00:45:04.753
I really enjoy Midnight Rewind.

00:45:05.653 --> 00:45:09.244
Yeah, well not for just me, but for the anime lovers.

00:45:09.244 --> 00:45:13.148
we thought it up because of your love of anime and because I know nothing about anime.

00:45:13.148 --> 00:45:18.076
So it's a fun sort of switcheroo where you get to sit in the pilot seat and I get to sort of sit.

00:45:18.076 --> 00:45:19.876
I'm Chewie, you're Han.

00:45:20.166 --> 00:45:40.342
I think that we need to do more of those at least you know up up the the amount um So we just got to come up with a list of some significant films because we've done paprika, which was incredible We've done Akira, which is you know a just a staple Is the anime princess Mononoke was one that we did.

00:45:40.342 --> 00:45:43.382
Yeah, there's just so many I think we did name my neighbor Totoro.

00:45:43.382 --> 00:45:44.423
Yeah, I'm done.

00:45:44.423 --> 00:45:44.713
Yeah.

00:45:44.713 --> 00:45:46.666
Okay, wait a little while on Ghibli.

00:45:46.666 --> 00:45:47.056
Yeah.

00:45:47.056 --> 00:45:51.231
But I think if we do do Ghibli, it'll be a lesser known one.

00:45:51.934 --> 00:45:53.295
Don't do do Ghibli.

00:45:53.596 --> 00:45:55.367
You always do don't Ghibli.

00:45:55.755 --> 00:46:01.947
I think that I'll probably come up with a small, a quick list because there's a few that I'm enjoying.

00:46:01.947 --> 00:46:07.648
And I think that the interesting about Minerva Rewind is we don't have to do just movies.

00:46:07.648 --> 00:46:16.010
we, it's a lot of shows, oh which you can, again, you can just watch a few episodes of to kind of get a feel for it because they're pretty consistent in quality.

00:46:16.010 --> 00:46:20.262
um But if you wanted to watch the entirety, some of these aren't too long.

00:46:20.262 --> 00:46:25.677
Like one of my absolute favorites of all time is Gurren Lagann, Tengu Tapa, Gurren Lagann.

00:46:25.677 --> 00:46:32.938
which is made by the same people who did Promare and Kill La Kill.

00:46:33.918 --> 00:46:36.257
Gurren Lagann is one of my absolute favorites of all time.

00:46:36.257 --> 00:46:39.737
You got Blue Sub Number Six.

00:46:39.958 --> 00:46:41.697
River Man is not an anime.

00:46:41.958 --> 00:46:47.757
I mean, if we're gonna do import films, it is one of my absolute top favorites.

00:46:47.978 --> 00:46:49.557
I was actually going through.

00:46:50.858 --> 00:47:14.753
So something that's kind of a thing that people don't know is when you go, When you deploy during like my early years in the army, uh when you deploy to Iraq or you deploy to Afghanistan, there are a lot of shops and like bizarre, like style shops, uh bodega sometimes, and they'll have, they will have a bootleg.

00:47:14.753 --> 00:47:15.597
Yes.

00:47:16.521 --> 00:47:27.630
And so it's funny because I still have my DVD cases, like CD cases, where I have uh just huge collections of bootleg DVDs.

00:47:27.630 --> 00:47:33.634
These like bootleg DVDs where someone just like converted a recorded VHS movie onto a of them are.

00:47:33.634 --> 00:47:36.757
A lot of them are, but I went through and I was looking at them.

00:47:36.757 --> 00:47:40.380
I have the entirety of X-Files, Stargate.

00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:45.864
have the entirety of, for some reason, have Pee-Wee's Playhouse, season one.

00:47:45.864 --> 00:47:55.952
Just ridiculous amounts, but I forgot how during that time, how into anime and Japanese import films.

00:47:56.213 --> 00:48:01.248
You've never heard of this one, but it's a crazy awesome science fiction film called Zaram.

00:48:01.286 --> 00:48:04.949
There's a second one, it's actually based off a manga, based off an anime film.

00:48:04.949 --> 00:48:11.514
The live actions are insane, like we're talking stop motion clay figures, it's incredible.

00:48:11.514 --> 00:48:29.505
um But yeah, there's just some really good stuff out there and I think that I'd like to go forward with the show and maybe even create a new segment for just like import films and like bring some more of this stuff um to the audiences and potentially even bring in some new guest hosts, you know, I think.

00:48:29.505 --> 00:48:31.579
We've had some really fun guest hosts.

00:48:31.579 --> 00:48:37.594
Eric Afet was one for when we did the monkey review and that was an incredible experience, you know?

00:48:37.594 --> 00:48:39.893
I love this noodling of an idea.

00:48:39.893 --> 00:48:46.717
I would love to create a segment where we bring someone on the show and they present a movie to us to watch.

00:48:46.717 --> 00:48:49.797
And then we all sort of talk about it round table style.

00:48:51.097 --> 00:48:54.458
Noodle, noodling ideas, we do that here.

00:48:54.699 --> 00:48:55.699
That would be fun.

00:48:55.699 --> 00:49:02.201
The import obviously is a great idea too, but yeah, mean, we're gonna continue to come up with new segments and such.

00:49:02.201 --> 00:49:04.789
I just love the movie reviews sort of.

00:49:04.789 --> 00:49:06.030
format that we have.

00:49:06.030 --> 00:49:07.911
You know, like I just love it.

00:49:07.911 --> 00:49:12.173
when I go see a new movie, sometimes I get kind of bummed that we can't talk about on the show.

00:49:12.173 --> 00:49:12.483
Yeah.

00:49:12.483 --> 00:49:14.405
Like an H one, like life of Chuck.

00:49:14.405 --> 00:49:17.476
think that's a movie that you would have really liked because I contain multitudes.

00:49:17.476 --> 00:49:19.077
You contain multitudes.

00:49:19.137 --> 00:49:22.639
And I think like, I wish we had a space for that.

00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.490
I guess we could do it on the grid if we wanted to.

00:49:24.490 --> 00:49:27.963
And I guess we could absolutely do it on the show, but just no one would listen.

00:49:27.963 --> 00:49:36.181
You know, like that's, that's one of the downfalls that we could talk about the materialist on the podcast, but in reality, Who wants to hear us talk about Chris Evans and Dakota Jones?

00:49:36.181 --> 00:49:37.461
what The Grid is for.

00:49:37.882 --> 00:49:49.342
We haven't talked very much about The Grid during this episode, but we have The Grid, which is our Patreon exclusive episode, you can get a free trial at patreon.com forward slash oblivion bar pod.

00:49:49.961 --> 00:49:51.862
That's two shameless plugs.

00:49:52.481 --> 00:50:02.541
you can, that's where we talk about movies that we enjoy that may not be fit or may not be relevant for the actual show on the main feed.

00:50:02.646 --> 00:50:11.914
So that might be something that we want to like bring up a little bit more and we can do our homework on the for the grid and give them a little bit more the judge, you know, in that in that field.

00:50:11.914 --> 00:50:41.447
But yeah, I think this the show has like just like so much potential to grow and to be again, this this sandbox, this Tron grid, you know, our own digital playground where we have a frontier where we can create and like, again, I mean, I think We do this because we love it and we can love more of it the more that we do that we love of this thing that we're doing that we love.

00:50:41.902 --> 00:50:47.666
That was a nice word style that you just found your, that was like a improv, that's like, what does Michael Scott call it?

00:50:48.208 --> 00:50:49.588
Improvisation.

00:50:49.702 --> 00:50:51.831
I find it along the way.

00:50:51.842 --> 00:50:53.713
I find the ending at some point.

00:50:53.782 --> 00:50:54.806
my god.

00:50:55.597 --> 00:50:59.217
Anyway, I think we're nearing towards the end of episode 200 everybody.

00:50:59.217 --> 00:51:06.157
I think if you really take anything from this mindless rambling about the last 100 episodes and Aaron I...

00:51:06.157 --> 00:51:10.998
Well, I guess the last, I'm talking about, because we were together for, we'll just say 200, yeah.

00:51:10.998 --> 00:51:13.083
was sort of thinking of like the last 100 because...

00:51:13.083 --> 00:51:15.516
know what you were saying, but I wanted you say too.

00:51:16.077 --> 00:51:24.358
all of 200 episodes, last 200 episodes plus the 171 on Patreon plus the 40 or 50 bonus episodes we put out.

00:51:24.358 --> 00:51:39.097
I think if you take anything is that we absolutely love doing this show and you know, any engagement that you send us, any listens, any follows, any likes, it is so appreciated to a point that I can't even really articulate it.

00:51:39.097 --> 00:51:43.257
I think the only way that we can continue to show how much we appreciate it is by continuing to do the show.

00:51:44.364 --> 00:51:54.336
The fact that anyone listens to our mindless rambling about movies and comics and television, video games and anime and all the things, or anyone lets us talk to comic creators.

00:51:54.336 --> 00:52:00.639
Like the fact that they keep letting us do this is such, you know, I'm not religious, but it's a blessing.

00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.079
You know, it's the universe rewarding us for something, I think.

00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:13.492
um Maybe that's the narcissistic way of thinking of it, but I also think that like, and I'm talking about from the position of a comics fan and as a movie fan.

00:52:13.592 --> 00:52:15.061
those two things specifically.

00:52:15.061 --> 00:52:19.224
I think both of those industries are hurting terribly for positive voices.

00:52:19.405 --> 00:52:25.786
And while we're not always positive about movies, I think we've come to agree that like we will never talk about comics in a negative way on the show.

00:52:25.786 --> 00:52:29.628
It will always be, if we don't like a comic, we don't talk about it.

00:52:29.628 --> 00:52:31.965
If we like a comic, we'll shop at mountaintops.

00:52:31.965 --> 00:52:43.141
Again, there, as we discussed, like off, you know, Mike, we've talked about if there are things that we don't like about something that we, you know, we generally need to or should talk about.

00:52:43.141 --> 00:52:45.072
There are ways of doing it.

00:52:45.072 --> 00:52:47.893
There are ways of kind of recognizing the good parts of it.

00:52:47.893 --> 00:52:48.262
Yeah.

00:52:48.262 --> 00:52:54.155
While, while not necessarily highlighting, but still bringing attention to the things that may not be for everybody.

00:52:54.155 --> 00:52:55.445
They may not be everybody's cup of tea.

00:52:55.445 --> 00:53:19.311
There's been plenty of things that I've read and weren't necessarily my cup of tea, but I found I was able to find something in there that was like of value to me, you know, and that's stories, that's books, that's movies, you know, like one of the most anticipated movies that I was waiting for years ago was The Dark Tower, which is one of my favorite book series by Stephen King.

00:53:19.311 --> 00:53:20.853
I love The Dark Tower series.

00:53:20.853 --> 00:53:28.588
I've read every single, like there's seven of them at least in the main part of the series, and I've read those multiple times, plus listened to them, audio tape.

00:53:28.588 --> 00:53:31.503
uh and that movie was atrocious.

00:53:31.826 --> 00:53:34.349
But there are some really amazing things in that.

00:53:34.349 --> 00:53:42.123
And if I can find amazing things in something that is literally taking a shit on one thing that I love, I think that takes great skill and patience.

00:53:42.123 --> 00:53:44.193
And I think we can do that for a lot of things.

00:53:44.193 --> 00:53:45.673
Yeah, absolutely.

00:53:46.175 --> 00:53:55.396
So em I guess let's end on where would you like to see the Oblivion Bar in another 100 episodes?

00:53:56.677 --> 00:54:05.710
Is there one particular thing that you would like to see us accomplish or continue to do or do better or get to in some capacity?

00:54:05.710 --> 00:54:10.932
Like, is there anything to strive for at this point or do we just, do we keep on keeping on like Joe Dirt?

00:54:10.932 --> 00:54:13.659
I think we keep on keeping on because life's a garden and you gotta dig it.

00:54:13.659 --> 00:54:16.818
uh You just going to keep picking on little Joe Dirt?

00:54:16.818 --> 00:54:20.599
I'm your sister.

00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:34.103
No, I would say that the thing that I would love to see is us not only continuing to interview comic creators, but other creators, other medium creators as well.

00:54:34.103 --> 00:54:43.601
You know, I love you know, obviously, we've had, you know, uh David Weiner on the show who is a, uh you know, our Lord and Savior and the God bless.

00:54:44.262 --> 00:54:48.724
and the inspiration behind our rating system for all of our movies.

00:54:49.065 --> 00:54:59.623
But I would love to bring on potentially more, like again, people who have written for shows, written movies, directed, acted in, novelists.

00:54:59.623 --> 00:55:02.043
We've had exactly all these.

00:55:02.043 --> 00:55:07.217
We've had those people, those industries on the show in the past.

00:55:07.217 --> 00:55:14.021
Ailey Martinez, is one of my favorite authors on this planet, was one of our first novelists that came on the show.

00:55:14.021 --> 00:55:17.134
ah We've had, mean, Brian K.

00:55:17.134 --> 00:55:20.726
Vaughn, is a writer who has written for several TV shows.

00:55:20.726 --> 00:55:25.469
I mean, we've had several people who have done many things in many different industries.

00:55:25.469 --> 00:55:33.643
think that having, you know, bringing on people to talk about the current things that they're either working on or like getting to that level.

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That's what I'd like to see this year.

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little more variety.

00:55:36.547 --> 00:55:37.427
Yeah, okay.

00:55:37.427 --> 00:55:38.869
Yeah, I like that.

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um I've always found that um or at least I've sort of directed us in the direct I put I put us in the direction of new of like specific Nick niche niche.

00:55:51.309 --> 00:55:51.853
Thank you.

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I can't talk right now niche uh interests, you know, comics, movies, television, video games.

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It doesn't do with that.

00:55:56.684 --> 00:55:57.525
I'd say we don't do it.

00:55:57.525 --> 00:55:58.396
But like I agree with you.

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I think there is something to be said about like just bringing on people that we like to talk about because at the end of the day.

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Those conversations are valuable if we have the passion behind it.

00:56:07.248 --> 00:56:13.976
um For me, the one thing that I'd like for us to do, well, I want to get a freaking panel at San Diego Comic Con.

00:56:13.976 --> 00:56:22.603
That's one of my biggest, I know you have a panel with your particular work, but I want to do a oblivion bar panel at San Diego at some point.

00:56:22.603 --> 00:56:25.686
I want to moderate a panel as well.

00:56:25.686 --> 00:56:28.706
These are more personal goals, but through the show.

00:56:28.706 --> 00:56:36.847
Yeah, well, we need I think the and we can talk about this like off my office show but like I think we're we're at a level that we can do that.

00:56:36.847 --> 00:56:39.509
I think it's just uh for us.

00:56:40.250 --> 00:56:54.934
I think it's about getting like buy-in from from from people on the like from people in the community like creators like if we can if we can kind of develop the idea of a of like, don't know.

00:56:55.775 --> 00:57:03.202
Oblivion bar pod panel or live show where we interview and we set up a couple of like we get Who knows who's gonna be at the next year?

00:57:03.202 --> 00:57:24.070
No comic-con if we can get a couple of creators on board that would be willing to like step a step aside and come up on stage with us if we can pitch that as value to not only You know the community of the comic-con but to you know content and and those consumers at the same time get the backing of Marvel, DC, whomever they work for.

00:57:24.070 --> 00:57:25.925
I mean, think that that's a great way to start.

00:57:25.925 --> 00:57:27.637
I think that that's completely possible.

00:57:27.637 --> 00:57:33.682
We just have to get started on it now because we know how hard it is to get panels approved by them.

00:57:33.682 --> 00:57:44.693
The guy, Shane, uh is the guy who's gonna be facilitating the panel that I'm gonna be on, said that he had been working for three years to get this panel approved and it finally got approved.

00:57:45.282 --> 00:57:56.152
Yeah, and that's kind of, feel like it happens a lot with San Diego, but I guess to round out the show and to answer my own question, uh I want us to continue to do what we're doing.

00:57:56.152 --> 00:58:05.079
And I want us, I guess as always to just continue to streamline the show in a way that makes it enjoyable for us, but also at the same time makes the show better.

00:58:05.579 --> 00:58:11.005
And if we're making people at home happy and they're listening and all the things I'm happy.

00:58:11.005 --> 00:58:12.590
And we talked about a little bit on the grid.

00:58:12.590 --> 00:58:17.293
I can't remember if we talked about it here during this episode, because these two episodes have kind of blended together a little bit.

00:58:17.693 --> 00:58:25.659
I'm happy with the quality of the product that we're putting out right now, maybe minus this episode, because we're not in front of mics and we don't have transcript.

00:58:25.659 --> 00:58:28.740
But I still think this is a great episode because we're here talking together.

00:58:28.740 --> 00:58:37.389
But I think if we just continue to have fun and make the show better and people continue to listen and engage with the show, that's all I want anymore.

00:58:37.389 --> 00:58:48.539
don't, again, as I said before, like, I was so obsessed with making the show grow and make the Ablithian Bar this huge thing where miraculously the ringer was going to come knocking at our door and say, you want to join our network?

00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:50.490
No, I don't really care for that anymore.

00:58:50.490 --> 00:58:56.146
Not that I wouldn't answer the call if they called, but the point being is that I just love doing the show now.

00:58:56.346 --> 00:58:58.969
There's peace to that.

00:58:58.969 --> 00:59:00.237
And we love doing this.

00:59:00.237 --> 00:59:12.597
I think that that opens us up to more exciting things because when you don't expect those great opportunities to come down, you kind of just are very much focused on the product at hand and being present in it.

00:59:12.597 --> 00:59:18.438
And I think that that allows you to be less prepared yet more excited when the opportunity does come.

00:59:18.438 --> 00:59:26.541
And I think that we are on that upward trajectory no matter how hard we push it.

00:59:26.541 --> 00:59:35.577
ah We are on that upward trajectory because we only keep, again, we're getting emails from legendary people about our interviews and about their experiences on the show.

00:59:35.577 --> 00:59:39.597
that right there is just, that's where we want to be.

00:59:39.597 --> 00:59:40.538
Yeah.

00:59:40.538 --> 00:59:40.737
Okay.

00:59:40.737 --> 00:59:42.998
Well, I'm going to pitch it to you one last time before we get out of here.

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Is there anything you want to say to listener before we head out of episode 200 of the building bar podcast?

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Did you feel it?

00:59:51.938 --> 00:59:52.739
Did you feel everybody?

00:59:52.739 --> 00:59:54.802
I'll get get one for me too.

00:59:54.981 --> 00:59:57.505
Mwah Thank you all so much for listening to the Abolion Bar.

00:59:57.505 --> 01:00:12.557
We appreciate it We we genuinely cannot say it with any more sincerity It means the world to us that any of you would spend any amount of time listening to this silly little show And Aaron and I will continue to not take it for granted and we will continue on we'll keep on keeping on because life's a garden and you gotta fucking dig it.

01:00:12.557 --> 01:00:13.338
You gotta fucking dig it.

01:00:13.338 --> 01:00:15.338
Thank you all so much for listening to the Oblivion Bar.

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We will see you next week after San Diego Comic Con.

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We're gonna take a week off after this.

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We'll see you the following week going into August for episode 201.

01:00:24.117 --> 01:00:25.378
Oh, sorry.

01:00:25.637 --> 01:00:26.398
Do you wanna do that?

01:00:26.398 --> 01:00:27.418
You wanna close this out?

01:00:27.418 --> 01:00:28.657
Yeah, I close.

01:00:29.878 --> 01:00:31.750
I guess I gotta leave that in.

01:00:57.454 --> 01:01:00.054
Follow us on Blue Sky, Instagram, TikTok and Twitch at Oblivion Bar.

01:01:00.054 --> 01:01:03.273
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01:01:03.273 --> 01:01:06.074
Big thank you to Oni Press and Inless Commerce Games Cards for sponsoring the show.

01:01:06.074 --> 01:01:08.213
Thank you, KXD Studios for all of our Oblivion Bar art.

01:01:08.213 --> 01:01:09.914
He's at KXD Graphics on Instagram.

01:01:09.914 --> 01:01:11.454
Thank you, Dream Kit for all of our musical themes.

01:01:11.454 --> 01:01:12.693
Thank you, DJ Skyvac for our grid theme.

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And don't forget to tip your bartenders 20 % or more of your piece.

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That's right.

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All right.

01:01:16.661 --> 01:01:17.322
For real this time.

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Thank you all so much for listening to the Blade of Bar.

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We appreciate it.

01:01:19.081 --> 01:01:20.481
are out of here for episode.

01:01:20.481 --> 01:01:24.161
I don't know why he always does it so fast, but it was better in person.

01:01:24.161 --> 01:01:24.782
Was it?

01:01:24.782 --> 01:01:25.141
Yeah.

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That's what she said.

01:01:27.302 --> 01:01:27.661
All right, everybody.

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Thank you so much.

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We appreciate it.

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We'll see you next week for episode 201.

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I like to challenge myself.