INTERVIEW: Kyle Starks

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Hey, this is Kyle starts writer of Rick and Morty, Assassin Nation

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I hate this place and the forthcoming peacemaker tries hard from DC Comics and you are listening to the oblivion bar podcast

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Welcome to the oblivion bar podcast with your host Chris Hacker and Aaron knows

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Hello everybody welcome to the oblivion bar podcast episode 110 I am Chris Hacker

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I'm one of your co-hosts here and join me this week as he does every single week my BFF Aaron Knowles

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Hello, Aaron. Hey when I just do like random things

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Do you just like do you think so much I'm gonna edit that out? I'm gonna have to edit that out

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yes, if I can help it I generally will at all edit out all of like the

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The in-betweens the things that like the random little quirks remember when you had the sound bar for a bit there on the show

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I I'm so glad that I could edit out a lot of that

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But you know what honestly Aaron it's all about the rat attack right? Why don't you just love me for me?

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Why don't you love me? Why can't you just love me for me?

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Welcome everybody to the oblivion bar podcast this week on episode 110

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We're talking to Kyle starts writer of titles like I hate this place over at skybound

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We've also got where monsters lie at Dark Horse

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He also will be writing the brand new peacemaker miniseries through DC black labels

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So excited to talk to Kyle excited to bring that conversation to everybody here excited Aaron

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Should we tell the people about our big big news? We got some big news this week

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Do you want to tell the people about what we announced on Twitter here this week? Yes, go ahead tell them

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Oh, okay. We have our own variant

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All right

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No, no straight to it. Yeah, guys. We have a comic. All right. We have our own comic variant

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This is no the there is no set the stage. This is a stage for him Phantom Road

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Hey Christian Ward

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All right image comics image whatnot. What not publishing right Jeff Lemire Jeff Lemire

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It's yeah, it's it is a it is a it is the perfect storm oblivion bar pod. All right

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Yeah, it is the exclusive secret sauce as they say. Yes. Yes the saucy sauce the horsey saucy sauce

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Okay, so it came out the stories come out, but we're gonna be releasing our variants on whatnot

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We're gonna be doing a sale coming up. Look for that probably 10

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March. All right. Yeah, we're gonna be having a tentative date of March 10th, right March 10th

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All right

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So tell your friends get use that code for $15 off become a member send that thing out get your friends to buy a

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Copy so you can all like, you know trade them around and like sign them and be friends and eat them

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You know and then have a solid things you do with collectibles

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Yeah, do with the things that you collect that that are important to you and and let's have a good time

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Let's get this story to the world because honestly Phantom Road is a phenomenal book

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Like we know we had the we've read the first one already

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Obviously it's already out but we read it weeks ago and that's how we knew that we wanted this to be our variant

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to be our cover

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Christian Ward if you are not following him and following his art this man has done some

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Incredible incredible stuff Chris give us some some Christian Ward comics the covers titles, whatever give it to me

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He's one of the more busy

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Cover artists, but also he worked on Aquaman Andromeda with Rom V. He did more recently blood-stained teeth

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He actually wrote that he also did a lot of the the cover like the

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Alternative variant art for a lot of that because obviously he is an art. He was an artist first

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But he obviously has delving into the world of writing as well

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Which we actually Aaron I should also kind of start all this by saying that we're gonna have him on the show

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Here in a couple weeks. I want to say towards the end of March

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We are going to have Christian on the show along with his artists on blood-stained teeth Patrick Reynolds

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So along with all that he also did he did some covers for Earth Diver as well. He's done so many covers

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He is like I'd say he's along with

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You know peach Mamoco in terms of some of the busy one of the busiest cover artists. Oh, no way in the game

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I'm telling you honestly each Mamoco is everywhere

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Christian Ward like well rested compared to peach Mamoco. Give me that's okay. Good boy. All right. Yeah, okay

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I'm very a distant second most busy cover artists in the game, but he's done a lot of great stuff and

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We're excited to have him on the show and we should also offer thanks to not only Christian who?

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He didn't have to do this for us. He had no reason to do this for us, but he did and we thank him so much

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He killed it. He absolutely killed it go to our social media if you want to see this cover, but also along with that whatnot

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Thank you so much to whatnot for giving us the opportunity to do this variant

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Like when they came to us and said we're gonna you know, not only partner with you, which again

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mind-blowingly awesome

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But also along with that we're gonna give you a variant cover, you know, this is limited to 500 Aaron

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So it's very this is like one of the lowest print runs of any comic that I've known in terms of areas go

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So and that's that's one thing again. I will say in it and I've shouted this from the rooftop multiple times

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Every time we want to talk to our our people at whatnot the people

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It's always the same people which is great

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It's always the familiar faces the listen they listen. Well, they give us advice

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They give us advice they help us out the platform is something that you guys need to check out if you have an opportunity to check

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It out if you have not signed up for it check out our code. It's on our social media

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It will be in the episode link as well. Like if you go into our show notes, it'll be in there as well

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Yes

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You'll get $15 credit to use on anything that you want like right off the right from the start like it's they are they are so

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Like behind this platform and not just the platform but the sellers and the partners who are on it including us

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So like let's we all got to support each other in this in this wide crazy world

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But that is yes, so a variant cover Chris we we can we can stop doing the show now. We've accomplished

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We've done all that we need to do

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We're on a comic especially

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It's on an image comic by Jeff Lemire

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That's the crazy part and kind of along with that Aaron and this is this is what we like to call a smooth

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Transition is that over on patreon which is patreon.com forward slash oblivion bar pod

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Yeah, all of our patrons that want one will get one for free

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I've already we've put it out there on the patreon that if you are a patreon member of the oblivion bar

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You will get one of these Phantom Road number ones by a Christian Ward for free

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That's a perk obviously along with that though, Aaron

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You know if you want that Phantom Road number one

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You also if you support us on patreon will get access to the grid

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Which is our patreon exclusive show where all we do is talk about everything that we wouldn't talk about here on the show on

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The normal oblivion bar show, you know, the oblivion bar after dark is what we call it

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You also get access to our episode transcripts

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You can get early access to these episodes you get a special shout out at the end of this episode that Aaron will do later

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So many cool things and we truly appreciate it

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That's honestly the best way to support the show is over on patreon, which again is patreon.com forward slash oblivion bar pod

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So not only do you get all those cool goodies, but now you get a copy of that Christian Ward cover of Phantom Road

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Which is again limited in bar. It's it's limited baby. We love that limited edition, right? That's what nerds want

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You want that collectibles? Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, all right. Well Aaron, let's stop. Let's stop trying to sell stuff to people

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Let's get into our conversation here with the amazing Kyle Starks like prostitutes trying to sell ourselves

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That's right, but we will see you after this conversation and yeah

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And now this week's special guest

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Joining us for episode 110 is the comic creator behind titles like sky bounds Assassin's Nation with artists Erica Henderson

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Dynamite comics Mars attack with Chris Schweitzer and a five-year stint on the ongoing Rick and Morty series with artists Mark

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Eller be saying all that doesn't even mention his two highly decorated original graphic novels through image comics rock candy mountain and

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Sex castle where he wrote and illustrated both titles and oh both were nominated for Isers. No big deal

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Recently, he just finished up the first arc on sky bounce

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I hate this place with RDM toplan and released issue one of where monsters lie through Dark Horse comics with artist pewter

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Kowalski, I hope I'm saying that correct

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It was also recently announced that along with art by Steve Pugh and Jordy Belair

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He'll be headlining a brand new peacemaker miniseries through DC black label called peacemaker tries hard

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It is my honor to welcome Kyle Starks onto the oblivion bar podcast. It's a pleasure to be here

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We do like that intro. It was well done

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We definitely didn't try that a second ago and totally no no definitely do that seem I was amazed

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You just pulled it off in one go. It's all the magic. No one sees the magic Kyle. It's always behind the scenes

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It's all editing and filters and all that stuff

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We don't have to you didn't have to mention it. No one would ever know and then they'd be like it's perfect every time

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I always just show my go. That's what I do here on the oblivion bar

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I just like to tell people I like to show the people how the hot dogs are made, you know

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Well, I also I wanted to quickly just off the top

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I want to talk about how you might be one of the only creators that I know that are from Indiana

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No, I know I hope you're I hope it's okay that I share that with all of our listeners

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But where are you at in Indiana if you don't mind me asking because I'm also in Indiana. I'm in Indianapolis. It's out there

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I'm from southern. I'm from the largest. I'm the third largest city in Indiana

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Southern Indiana. I'm right on the border of Kentucky. Okay. All right, so

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Research everybody nothing down here. There's not a really curious

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Well, that's fine down and like I said, I just I don't know many

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Do you know many creators that are actually even from Indiana? There's not a Paul allure lives in northern, Indiana somewhere

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I can't think of anybody else and that's why I'm always mad when I don't get invited to like every convention in Indiana

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I think I feel like I'm

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Indiana's most beloved comic son. I think so. It's like why am I I should get invites to all regionals all mid all Midwest shows

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That's right. We got to get them

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We got to get the we got get that Hoosier the good Hoosier comic-making boy in but yeah

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Hold it down for the Hoosier state. And of course, yeah, exactly

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That seems wild to me that you don't get just every single Indiana convention

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But that seems to be their loss and you're never appreciated where you're from. That's just it usually it's the city

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But sometimes it's the state. Yeah. Yeah

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We're gonna get out of Indiana not appreciating their own does it make sense? Like it does it sound it I'm telling you it's right

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It's correct. That's how we do it here. There's there's no celebrate. You will not be celebrated

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I think Indiana is so like don't talk about don't talk about the people over here who did well is like

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every now and then I find out about yet another like huge celebrity are like

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Famously important person and you're like, oh he's from Indiana too

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Like you think you think at some point it would come up but no

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We don't talk about only Larry Bird Larry Bird is the only one we respect. It's Larry Bird Michael Jackson

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That's end of list not Michael Jackson very often. Yeah. Well, yeah, honestly, he's a Gary

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Well, and the thing is we've got like Axl Rose and Vivica Fox and there's like a laundry list of people that actually

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Colonel Sanders. Yeah. Yeah, I saw I would do it. I went to a wrestling

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This is only in the only Hoosiers will care

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But I went to a wrestling show and they were like getting cheap heat by they're like there's like I don't know why you got

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Like basketball like no one there's no good basketball players that came from here. I'm like, oh, it's gonna be Larry Bird

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I was like Sean Kemp is from here too. Like that guy's that guy was great. Like we have a ton of great basketball players

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I know we have that he's the best one, but it's like we have a bunch like not just him anyway, right?

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Well, Indiana, what are you gonna do? We could honestly sit here complain about Indiana for the next hour if we wanted to I just recently

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Moved back. I wasn't st. Louis for the last five years and

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St. Louis is great. Honestly, if people complain about a lot because you know the per capita crime and all that stuff. No big deal

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It's going up

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But the thing is like Indiana, I was gonna be Indianapolis is huge and it I mean it has a similar amount of crime

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It's just a bigger city. So like they don't talk about that st. Louis is so small

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But again, we're not here to complain about Midwestern states and their western. Yeah, I could do it all day

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We could do it all day. I think exactly when we get together our our like main common like commonality

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Is that we like to just complain about wherever we're from? That's essentially it and where have you been within that lovingly lovingly?

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Yes, of course playing I think it's like you we can talk badly about Indianapolis

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But you don't how dare you if you say anything? I'll tell you Indianapolis people can say whatever they want bad about it

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I was frankly you're like you're okay with it

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Well, I want to start off this conversation by talking about I hate this place

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which is you're you kind of your newer supernatural horror series through skybound and

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Your first arc is already wrapped you can buy the trade right now

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And the second arc is about to start back up here with issue six on March 1st

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Which I think is this upcoming Wednesday, which is pretty awesome. Yeah, I have two books out on Wednesday. Oh, oh you do

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Okay, what's the other one? We're my we're monsters lie, which is like

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The other one where my where monsters lie, which is my other horror title issue two comes out on Wednesday

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So every first Wednesday for at least the next three months will be double Kyle Wednesday

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Oh, we're very excited about it

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And then I'm not a hundred percent sure because I'm bad at numbers

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but I think when peacemaker drops it drops the first of the month and

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It might be after where monster lies and it's still double Wednesday Kyle for like two more months

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So it could be five months of double Wednesday Kyle. Where do we get those t-shirts? Can we get that?

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Can we get that t-shirt? Why would I I would if I thought someone would buy it I'd be print them right now, buddy

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Or like a sticker my patreon is all about stickers. So why don't we get double double Kyle Wednesday?

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my whole thing right now is my I'm on a I'm on a

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Program to get storage for retailers to understand they can't have to Kyle starts pick of the weeks your pick of the week

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For every double Wednesday Kyle that double Kyle Wednesday can be both my books whichever two books they are

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We'll see if it works out. They're not gonna fall for it retailers are smart

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Well, I hate this place. I hate this place. I want to talk to you about yeah essentially like okay

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So I want to talk about this but I don't want to spoil it too much because I've read the first five issues

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I'm sure a lot of people listening this have probably read the first five issues

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But I don't want to spoil it because yeah, you know like but I want to talk about what's what we're gonna be looking

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You know towards the future here. There's a lot of things that you kind of set up not only throughout the series

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But especially there at the end of that last issue on issue five. So

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Kind of without spoil again without spoiling too much. What can we expect from the series going forward? So so yeah, so it's the second arc

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It's the it's the last arc. I don't know if that's been announced, but it's the last five issues of the series

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So I had intended to do 15 issues and I believe that we'd be doing 15 issues

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But comics are tough and numbers are good, frankly

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But I don't know why we didn't do they're like you might not get we might not do 15

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I'm like, well, I only would do 10 then I have a very from the beginning. I've had an ending

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I wanted to do so

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I've had to kind of take those last 10 issues and kind of smush them together a little bit to still get all the stuff

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I want in frankly, so I hate this place because you haven't read it is about a couple inherits like the worst place on earth

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It's haunted. It's got lights in the sky. There's monsters in the woods. There's murder ghosts. There's some sort of dark entity

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It's terrible. They hate this place. They can't leave

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It's awful. And of course with such a book things just must always get worse

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It's so hard to talk about the series without speaking on specifics because a lot of what happens in the series

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If you get to the end that neither one of them have particularly happy family lives, um, which is part of why

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Who are all alone for whatever reason are making the family that they never had like they love each other in the way that no

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One else has ever loved them

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Which is to say really the way that any human deserves to be loved by the person they're with and so they both say at some

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Point that they had bad family lives, but Trudy's bad family life is extremely bad family life

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And at the end of issue five, I don't think this is spoilers because it sets up the next arc

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You see her father and two of her I'm doing air quotes cousins

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Murder someone to find her location because they have clearly been looking for her for a long time in

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I mean, I could have just done it forever is that I I found I came upon a setting where I could do any horror movie

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I could do any horror genre. I wanted to do anything the first one like I'm doing slashers. I'm doing sort of Stephen King Dark entities

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The movie style monster, but like I got to do whatever I wanted and I love horror and I love playing with tropes and genre

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So I very much in this first issue for issue six

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We kind of do some home invasion stuff along with monsters in the woods because there's monsters in the woods

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Unless you forget it's very bad. So now there's there's trouble in the house and there's trouble outside the house

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I hope I didn't jump that if issues six doesn't do the Trudy origin issue seven does I think it's issue six

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I think issue six does it though? I haven't I mean I wrote them a long time ago. So I have right back

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I think I think it's you six

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Well, again, it's not gonna be a spoiler that at some point we're gonna get something from this

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They've been talking I mean, it's been you've been kind of teasing this for a while that she is well skilled

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She's she knows what she's doing

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And then it's like Trudy chooses to see the world and what's eventually going like what can the world do?

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What's the world gonna do to us at some point? Yeah, that's pretty apt. I for me what's interesting about these characters is

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Optimist that's a word she's sort of a relentless optimist and Trudy is very much sort of a survive like a doomsday prepper survivalist

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Wants to be prepared and it's interesting to take characters like that who have those particular traits and put them in a situation where it's constantly bad

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It's constantly dire and all of your preparations are for nothing. There's there's no way all the training

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I bet you treat you could start a fire like that. It's useless

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I bet Trudy knows what you could eat in a wood and live forever useless

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I bet Trudy has all of these skills. I know I know she does but in this particular in this location

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It's useless and to think about how these are in many ways your identity and for that identity to be erased

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I find that really interesting and on that same page or on the coin same the other side of coin or whatever

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These two characters love each other so much and now they're both in danger and like to me like that's real fear

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especially if you're someone like Trudy who Trudy very much sees herself as a protector and she has she has lived this life to

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Survive to keep herself and whomever she chooses alive and now that person who she loves most in the world is in danger

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Like that's real that's more frightening to me than anything that could be in the woods

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Not knowing like like and I I know when I was right I was like I had to fix like my like a washing machine or something

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And I can't do that, but I just googled it right. I just googled like how to fix it and I didn't it's like well

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That's crazy, but if I had murder ghosts, there's no there's no hey there's no spiders

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It's like we're dealing with that and overcoming it

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Which again, I think I think those two girls relationship is so beautiful

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And it's the old like everything's bad. Nothing's good except for these two characters and how they how they care about each other

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To me, I think it's beautiful. But also like I worry about them

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I I worry about them because the whole point of this book is they're in danger and bad things are going to happen to them

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So and I hope the readers do too. But yeah, you know, yeah the characters. I love it

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I love I hate this place good stuff as someone who loves the series as well

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I will say that the oak tree that is their relationship is really comforting in a way

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Like I know that no matter what Trudy is gonna do everything she can to save or protect Gabby in some way or another like

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I kind of love the the concrete just like I care for you and I'll do anything for you type of relationship for sure

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See that we see that they're at the end of issue five where they're just sitting there and they say the iconic

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And it's that those panels right there that really that honestly really drive things home and get really excited for the next art going into issue

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So yeah, awesome Wednesday Wednesday. Wednesday. That's right

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March 1st and also it like I don't know if you saw this parallel

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I don't know if you're watching the last of us, but their relationship very much reminds me of like Tommy and Bill

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And the last of us have you seen that series at all yet? I played the video game. So I don't know

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So you're familiar with Bill then so Bill shows up in the video game

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And he's the guy who kind of helps Joel and Ellie move on to this next area

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But in the show there's a whole episode that just deals with how those two met you never meet Tommy in the seer in the video

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Okay, but he's not the guy who gets shot at the beginning, right? He's somebody else

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I think he's somebody else. I haven't played the game since like 2013. It's been a while. I played a couple years ago

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It's very good. I highly recommend though if you're interested in the show at all it kind of their relationship

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I'm not I'm not supporting HBO Max at the current time because they're awful, but I am going to go back

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I'm going to back because all the other are just not as good. Okay. Well, I think this is I was gonna say

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I think this is a good transition into uh, you know, speaking of HBO Max

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Peacemaker, I mean obviously you're getting into have you seen the series editor?

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You just kind of going in no, no, no, no, I saw it. Okay. No, I bought it and I bought it

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I bought it on Apple. I was I knew I was canceling HBO Max and I still want to watch

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Peacemaker because I love it. It's one of the best things I've watched in years. It's very Kyle starts that and um

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Reacher is that what came out on prime at the same time with the big guy? Oh, yeah

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With John Krasinski. No, no, not that one. The other one. I made a call Reacher. I can't remember what it's called

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Oh, is it the guy from um, umbrella academy? I'll look it up while you're talking. But yeah, yeah, it's a big guy

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He was in it. I can't I think maybe anyway, I thought it's called Reacher. It's probably not it's probably something else

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Oh, it's Alan Rick Rickson. I don't know is he dead. I don't know. I know you're talking about

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He's a big guy though

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Because there's another one. It's it's they like Tom Cruise did

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Tom Cruise did two movie versions of this character

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Which was like at the time people were very worked up because the character is huge

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Yeah, and Tom Cruise is not but famous small things

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He's he's little and he plays a little and he kind of plays it plays up to being small in those movies

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I really like the first one which I came first called probably called Jack Reacher and um

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I was googling it because I was like I love action stuff

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Like I'm just an action junkie and the kind of dumber the better it is

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And like I was right. I was reading the Google on Jack Reacher and they're like they're like Jack Reacher

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You know, he's a master of combat gunsmith and also he always knows what time it is

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And I love that, you know, some old dude was reading this Jack Reacher book and we got to the point where he's like

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He knows what time it is without a watch like that's so cool

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And I love like how dumb that is how great anyway, that was another show that not unlike

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Peacemaker was very much big tough guy has a heart

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You know like and I love that's my jam. My jam is like give me a big tough

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Give me a bunch of one-liners, but if that guy can have like

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Something else going on like that's my thing and that show is very much my sensibility

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Which is how I got the gig

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I mean it's literally how I got the gig is because it's so similar to what I've done sex castle kill them all

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Even probably six sidekicks of figure game. They're all assassination for sure

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Like they're all you can you can see the the dna and it says it says something about a good editor if they recognize

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Who would be best suited?

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This is a story that's going to be sort of like circulating around the world

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This is a story that's going to be sort of like circulating a lot

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But I literally got that job because of a tweet

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I I get to make my own comics

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I get to make my own worlds like where monsters lie and I hate this place and all the other comics you mentioned earlier

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Like I get somebody I get to make my own characters up. I think they're the best characters in comics

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That's not me saying they are i'm saying I think they are because i'm biased

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But I don't like and i'm doing it now obviously, um, and i'm happy to do it

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I like the challenge, but I wasn't looking for it. Like I wasn't seeking it out

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I wasn't emailing marvel every month like hey, i've got like did you see six sidekicks was named best adult book of

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The top 10 best adult books of calling 22 by the new york public library. Did you see that?

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I really wasn't but someone had and I watched the show and I loved it. I love I really like james gunn

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James gunn edgar wright are two guys who I think

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Are way better than me, but it's similar if you like those guys movies

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I think you'd like my comics a lot because we both sort of

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Smush genres together in an interesting way. We like for all of our characters to have personalities and have

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Like goals and like foibles. So anyway, I watched the show. I loved it. I loved the movie

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I'm so happy the movie was so good and I was so happy to see the series

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I'm a wrestling guy so it's always cool to see like I love batista and rock and see it's always nice to see these guys

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To be charming and good. So yeah, I loved it and someone and I was like, that's great

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I I can't wait for season two. Thanks james gunn. That was amazing and uh, someone tweeted

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Hey dc, why isn't there a peacemaker comic and why isn't kyle starks writing it?

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And I never I never would have thought about it on my own

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But I was like, hey, I could I could do a really good job with that

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So I retweeted it as a joke, you know, and I was like, hey dcd, you know

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Shoot me a line if you're looking for your guy or whatever. Do you really want to do you really want to taste it?

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Yeah, do you that's right? And uh, I got a dm in like minutes. Oh wow from dc

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And we were talking within the week and I know um, I I do know that my my editor on I hate this place who came from dc

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Had maybe some hand in that how much hand I couldn't say I honestly couldn't say

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I know the editor on peacemaker, which is uh, chris conroy and matthew levine had both been thinking about me for a while

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This was the project. There's a lot of articles that came out there like it's perfect casting and I agree

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And cpu's great

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I was worried about who would be the artist if you notice how to do comedy and you know how to do superheroes

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You know how to do big big strong boys punching each other. It's like it's a perfect relationship

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Um, I just finished the last issue on my end

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Uh last week or the week before i'm extremely proud of I think it's really good

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I think if you like that show and if you like how that show feels

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You're going to get more of it and that's my goal with these things

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Not for license things, you know, like I know we've mentioned rigamorty briefly like rigamorty is the same thing

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Like I wasn't trying to do kyle stark's rick and morty

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But kyle stark's stuff was his action. It's high. It's high low. It's all it's a broad spectrum of comedy

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It's a little clever and it's action tropes and rick and morty was the same thing

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But with sci-fi tropes and i'm like I could do that

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Yeah, I was stoked when they asked me because I love dan harman's work on community and the ben stiller show

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Um, he's someone who creatively I think is always said a really good. He's always good

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So it's the same thing. It's like what do I want to do? Do I want to do my own peacemaker story?

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The peacemaker I I always want to make no matter what it is rick and morty peacemaker

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Teenage turtles

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I want to make the thing that I want that I want to have like right and so when we're one season into rick and morty

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You know what I want to do. I want to make more of that

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I want people to have more of that thing they don't have

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I think peacemaker 2 is coming back like next year, but neither here nor there. We're all excited. It's coming back

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So that's my thing is like I want to make I I want more of it. I want more peacemaker

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Um, and I want more rick and morty and so that's what I endeavored to do and you know

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It worked out pretty well for rick and morty for me and hopefully it works out pretty well for peacemaker, too

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I think it's a great but I think one of my

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You never know until you see like a full issue the work of art

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But I think in terms of a script, I think it's it's it's really strong. I think it's a lot of fun

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I think hopefully I can get people to cry at least twice

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That would be my goal and they're gonna laugh like a hundred times every issue

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Like there's a lot of funny stuff in it and saying that's tough because I think when people think something's funny and especially big two direct

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Market, they're almost never funny. Like it's almost unless it's mark russell or chip

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I don't know if ryan brown's ever done like there's a very small list of guys who actually do like actually funny stuff and yeah

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On the regular consistently. Um chip is one of them obviously

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Um who does it on the big two just because he's a madman. I mean, he's he's he's the goat right now

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So well, i'm not saying that's just because you're here in front of me

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But between you and mark, I think are two probably the funniest writers in comics. So yeah, I agree with you 100

395
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:09,460
It's tough because like I because I think comedy really is a bad word

396
00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:12,580
Like I said, but I think objectively I think it's us

397
00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:17,620
It's those four people me chip mark ryan brown ryan brown's usually with charles soul now

398
00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:21,540
Yep, I don't know how much charles soul is doing the funny or how much ryan brown. I mean I could say

399
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,460
Ryan ryan brown stuff before um

400
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:32,660
Um, it's like I got hates astronaut that stuff's hilarious and it's hard to do and I think it takes you have to want to be

401
00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:38,180
I think the thing with big with direct market comics more than anything and even others are like, oh, it's whole hilarious

402
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:44,900
It's usually gags. It's usually sight gags are like very juvenile humor and it's like you have to think about the medium

403
00:29:45,140 --> 00:29:47,620
you have to think about who's reading it and how

404
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:52,500
Comedy is so subjective. You have to play to a lot of different layers and I say all this

405
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,220
I'm trying not to call any of my stuff. I don't want anyone to say comedy

406
00:29:55,380 --> 00:30:00,420
I don't want them to say humorous about myself where monsters lie. I was like, please don't say comedy because

407
00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:02,100
while

408
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,380
Which is about where monsters lie is about a gated community for slasher villains

409
00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:09,540
The first issue is funny and I think the second issue is a little funny

410
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:12,340
But the fourth is using but it it turns into something else

411
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:15,940
And that's how all my stuff is really the last issue of rock indie mountain

412
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:20,980
I don't think it's very funny at all because they've become you do it just I hate this place

413
00:30:20,980 --> 00:30:23,700
Those characters are very they're funny to me. They're just charming

414
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:25,700
They're they're only funny because I like funny people

415
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:30,420
But I want people want to spend time with these characters and it's the same for for everything

416
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:31,460
So it's like they are funny

417
00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:34,740
But to me so is command so is arnold's word and there's commando, right?

418
00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:37,140
Like that's funny, but no one calls that a comedy movie

419
00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:39,540
The best things have a bunch of things in them

420
00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:41,620
So i'm trying to get away from saying comedy

421
00:30:41,620 --> 00:30:45,060
But i'm also like really leaning into like that's my legacy

422
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:46,100
I'm okay with that

423
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:49,860
But I think people hear it and they're like i'm not gonna buy it because they bought so many

424
00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:55,220
Marvel books like hilarious new marvel book and you're like this isn't funny even a little bit

425
00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:57,220
Like I don't know who this is funny, too

426
00:30:57,220 --> 00:31:01,140
Yeah, a lot of the big two stuff is a lot of times it's if you do find it funny

427
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:06,740
It's because it's inside baseball and you understand the references you understand the callbacks. It's not comedic. It is

428
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:10,180
It's attempting to be clever and you either know it or you don't

429
00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:13,300
Or it's like it's it's weirdly juvenile in a way that you're like, yeah

430
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:16,980
This isn't for like this is for a very small group of people

431
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:20,820
Small group of people but you know, I and I think I say a lot is because I have

432
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,540
Transitioned from doing what I would say is action comedy to doing horror

433
00:31:26,420 --> 00:31:31,540
Smaller words comedy maybe next to it is that the reason like they're the same thing in comics

434
00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:36,500
They're the same and that they rely on the exact same tricks to be effective. You have to set a scene

435
00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:38,980
It's all about pacing pacing is very important

436
00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:43,780
Um, and you want to set up a punch line in the punch line in a horror movie if someone gets stabbed in the eye

437
00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:47,060
Um, it's not a funny punch line. It's a scary punch line

438
00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:52,180
But so to me like to just to kind of step away finally from sort of comedy and action comedy

439
00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:53,940
It was very much like this is what I want to do

440
00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:57,780
It's what I think I can do well, and I think I have done. I think I have done well

441
00:31:58,580 --> 00:32:01,780
With my horror stuff so far. I'm on number three. We're doing okay. We're feeling pretty good

442
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:04,420
Yeah, and actually that's a great transition to a question

443
00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:08,580
I already have which is basically what we're already talking about which is kind of your parallel between horror and comedy and

444
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:11,140
The I think a great example of that and you were just talking about it

445
00:32:11,140 --> 00:32:16,180
Once again was where monsters lie that first issue came out and it is essentially, you know

446
00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:19,860
This community of will is it wilmhurst that essentially it's well, yeah

447
00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:27,540
we're you know wilmhurst where you have this community of like every archetype of serial killer or slasher that you can think of and

448
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:32,740
You know, you've got like you've got kind of like the archetype of like captain spalding. You've got leather face in there

449
00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:36,420
You've got Hannibal Lecter and and each of these characters have actual names

450
00:32:36,420 --> 00:32:41,460
I'm sure I'm spacing it right now in my head while I'm talking about it, but it doesn't matter right now

451
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:47,300
The archetypes are what matter for selling it for sure. Yeah, it draws from a lot of strokes and and that's not

452
00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:49,300
unintentional and

453
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:54,260
So I and I'll do like a big a six castles. It's probably tech guys. I'll made my career

454
00:32:54,260 --> 00:32:57,220
You know, I was not made for an eyes or as option. It's very much. It's very much

455
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:01,860
I'm doing air quotes again. It's the best 80s action movie never made that's what I wanted to make

456
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:07,780
But it's also it is it is very funny, but it's the best 80s actually went it wasn't a spoof. It wasn't a satire

457
00:33:07,780 --> 00:33:10,100
it's not an homage it's a love letter and

458
00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:14,580
This is very much the same. I'm not spoofing these characters, but I

459
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,500
especially the the sort of

460
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:21,980
The way comics are now it's forced issues and out like if you're lucky you get six issues

461
00:33:21,980 --> 00:33:24,900
It's just very tight. And so if you can have sort of like

462
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:30,700
Like shortcuts for people to go. I understand why this character this character is the Michael Myers character

463
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:37,300
He's the Michael Myers. He's the Jason. I understand why he's scary. This character is the Saw character. This character is

464
00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:39,820
Chucky and

465
00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:43,660
Whoever Chucky's girlfriend is in this book, but they think they're not those kids

466
00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:44,860
They're absolutely not those characters

467
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:51,660
but right you want you want a sense of familiarity and the great thing about horror and these types of characters and having that sort of

468
00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:55,060
Familiarity is right at the gate. You're gonna go. Oh

469
00:33:55,060 --> 00:34:03,060
Well, hold on what happens if the the the Michael Myers character meets the leather face character, right? What happens like

470
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:10,340
What's up with it? Like this clown seems like a weakling like what's gonna happen when he comes across and you as a storyteller

471
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:12,340
I want that I want that those um

472
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:14,540
those like sort of abbreviated like a

473
00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:21,140
Like shortcuts like straight into these characters, but I'm not like I'm not doing their tropes in their archetypes

474
00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:25,620
It's not a spoof. I'm not I'm not I don't know. That's not fun to me is to do satire

475
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:29,140
These characters these characters are great and I also have no interest in doing those characters

476
00:34:29,260 --> 00:34:33,940
So really it's just a matter of again like the Rick and Morty stuff or in sex castles. Like I love tropes

477
00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:35,940
I love playing with tropes. I love

478
00:34:36,420 --> 00:34:38,420
subverting tropes more than anything and

479
00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:44,700
I like seeing what happens with the things that no one's seen happen. What who where does Chucky go in between?

480
00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:47,460
Like he goes somewhere, right?

481
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:52,100
Is he have cable TV because he can't go buy food, right? So he's just at home watching TV

482
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:55,260
Oh who's paying for the cable TV? Where does Jason go?

483
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:59,900
Is whenever between four and five is he just standing in the woods like for three years?

484
00:35:00,180 --> 00:35:03,100
Just standing in the woods for three years. No one found him

485
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:06,460
Like I think those things are so interesting and I want to explore those

486
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:11,720
I wanted to see I wanted I wanted to see what that was but also like I needed a story

487
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:18,280
Because that's just this clip. That's just a place just like Rutherford Ranch and I hate it's just a place and these are just characters

488
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,800
And if nothing happens if nothing draws them into action who cares?

489
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,560
I get just characters standing around talking like that's only interesting for a bit

490
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,780
So for where monsters lie a survivor sort of final girl type who's now basically Batman

491
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:35,720
He's Batman if Batman's parents were killed by like Jason

492
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:42,100
Has show he's found out where this community is and he's came to get horrible revenge and now we get to see like

493
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:47,240
Who's the real monsters here? Like who's actually the monsters and who's the heroes and what happens when?

494
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,360
You know Batman fights all the horror monsters in many ways, which is what that book is to me

495
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,360
Yeah, I don't know if this is a giant spoiler

496
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,680
but I wanted to kind of pick your brain on one particular page where you've got Zell and

497
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:06,760
I'm trying to think of the guy that she's with at that time Wyatt Wyatt is like he's the head of a he's the head of a

498
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,360
Murder family

499
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,360
And now he's sort of like

500
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,400
Handyman that he he kind of does all the little things no one else wants to do because his kids grew up, right?

501
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Yeah, like he doesn't have his murder family anymore. And so he sort of retired into being like gopher for all these slasher killers

502
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,120
Zell is the matriarch. She's the scary matriarch

503
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,720
Yep, and then we kind of just walk around the community talking about kind of

504
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:32,760
Keeping these insane like keeping the insanity within the community and trying to figure out how they do that

505
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:39,160
And then why at one point kind of points over at one of the yards and you've got you got fuck master who is

506
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:46,360
Just planting a garden and just doing like normal lawn care and he's he seems to be pretty upset about that

507
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,880
I'm curious. What what where is that kind of leaning towards? What's the idea there?

508
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,720
So I guess she went out guys. You should have read it already if you haven't

509
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,720
Um as you're sort of walking around and why it's sort of giving zell sort of like the the

510
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:05,640
State of things in in wilmhurst. He's he's pointing out to her that I assume for fanny's okay. Oh, yeah. Okay

511
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,600
Yeah, why the character's name is fuck master. He has a teddy bear like a teddy bear hat

512
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,680
That's melded to his head and he he's mostly naked and covered in tattoos

513
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,040
His name is fuck master and if your name's fuck master and you have a teddy bear head

514
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,040
You're probably like a really good slasher villain

515
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,960
But why it's letting zell know it's like he thinks his character has lost

516
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,280
That sort of killing spirit because he seemed to really take in the lawn work

517
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,640
He's really taken gardening because basically every time you cut your lawn

518
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,200
You're doing like thousands of cuts like it's way better than just trying to kill like eight sorority girls

519
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,880
And you know every time you trim a rose like the rose doesn't fight back

520
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,720
So it's just an interesting bit where it's like I also like surely at some point

521
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,120
You know one of these characters is like, I don't know like

522
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,560
The spree killing was fun, but like I really have gotten into model planes, you know or whatever

523
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,960
And how will that affect?

524
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,320
Uh, how will this sort of you know, this he's he's became soft

525
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,400
Uh, he's like they're like they're like they don't know what they're supposed to do to kick him out

526
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Does he get to stay like what do you do? This guy doesn't want to kill people anymore

527
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:11,160
He just loves gardens and I bet nothing happens to a garden that changes that situation through the rest of the series

528
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,720
I bet he's like, oh my god

529
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:20,360
I bet there's not obvious foreshadowing about how much he loves his garden. Yeah, but I think one more thing is like I was interested in like

530
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Someone's burning the popcorn on like the justice league satellite

531
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,920
You know what I mean? One of those guys every time I every time like oh they're in the base and they show the list of

532
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,440
Who's on the team?

533
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,320
I'm like one of those guys burns the popcorn in the break room and everyone else hates it

534
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,960
I don't know which one it is at the hall of justice. Yeah, someone someone's always missing the toilet

535
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,080
At the avengers mansion like which one is it because they don't like it like we never see it

536
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,920
Right, but like that stuff's more interesting to me than like kang's

537
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,040
Nefarious plot like i'm more interested in like

538
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,800
Like does hulk smell bad and they kind of hate it. You know what I mean?

539
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,080
Like not only is he a big green monster, but he also has a terrible bo

540
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:06,520
Yeah, I like thors like always talking about like how it was better when it was just like iron man and ant man and wap

541
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,800
Like when it's just like three like things are cleaner like I'll tell you what like

542
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,800
We got to smoke wherever we wanted to like we could smoke in the mansion

543
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,720
Then you I don't like that's so interesting to me is like these sort of interpersonal like

544
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,440
They're all still human. They everyone's still human like no matter. Well, I guess there's exceptions

545
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:28,680
But I mean batman still takes a poop. You know what I mean? Right? He 100% still does it like does he have places in the city?

546
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,800
Does he have certain places he likes more to me? That's so interesting

547
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,360
Batman's a universally addressing character. He's not the best example of that

548
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,040
But like you know, I mean like that's so much more interesting to me

549
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,520
Than whatever thing is i'm trying to become more interested in the other stuff because like I said nothing matters without characters

550
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,160
but like if you if you give me

551
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:53,240
The avengers I want to be like one of these guys is burning the popcorn

552
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:57,000
I'm gonna figure out which one it is. Yeah, and then they wouldn't let me do it. They wouldn't let me do it probably

553
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
But it is what it is

554
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,200
So, yeah, that's a perfect that's a moment as they're on that walk

555
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,400
I mean first issues out you guys your store almost surely has it. Um, we sold out in a lot of stores. They did reorders

556
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,960
Which is my first that I know I sold out of a book was where monsters lie, which is dope, which is cool

557
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,840
We love it. That's gone as they're on this walk like richard the murder clown. You guys know murder clowns

558
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,360
They like you can see his trash cans and like that's an age away violation

559
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,040
And like come on richard like get your shit together like we're all in this together

560
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,480
Um, and I just I love stuff like that. I I love the idea of you know

561
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,440
We know all these characters and obviously like Jason or Michael Myers listen, they're not cool. No matter what they are just

562
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,800
Standing around being menacing. That's all they do. But the other guys like chucky like come on

563
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:46,120
When he's not killing people like chucky's probably got some good jokes. What does he do? He's got they got to do other stuff

564
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,120
What's what does like?

565
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,400
The jigsaw puzzle man. His name is professor puzzle man

566
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,800
Uh, not puzzle man. It's puzzle man puzzle man in this book in this book and it's like

567
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,320
Someone has to build that guy's murder traps. You can't just call up a contractor in town and be like, can you dig?

568
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Listen, I need this warehouse retrofitted

569
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,280
I need a ditch full of syringes

570
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,760
And I need a thing I can put on someone's head that would split their skull open after like I don't know

571
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160
We'll put a timer on it like 30 seconds that guy can't do that

572
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:17,000
That guy's old. He can't dig that hole. He can't build those

573
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:17,880
He can't build those

574
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,840
He can't put locks on doors like there's some sort of like someone who's their job and that was again

575
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,640
That's one of the things is like here at wilmhurst. Wyatt is probably the one doing all of that for you

576
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,480
So that you don't have a paper trail so you can easily find the murder man

577
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,480
Like I thought all this stuff's really interesting

578
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,560
I love stuff. I love exploring stuff like that and especially if it can if that can exist

579
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,280
Along with a compelling story with compelling character arcs and emotional moments

580
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,480
That's what I enjoy the most it it it's like

581
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:52,440
I'm really proud of where monsters lie and all those things I just said I hate this place this too, right like itchy who was

582
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:59,240
It who's the first thing you see in that book is a slasher killer on this ranch this haunted ranch

583
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,560
I'm so interested in this right? How do the logic of these ghosts work? What is up with this?

584
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,280
What is up with that?

585
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,280
And as long as I can have all that fun all that little minutia that I think so interesting

586
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,720
And still tell a compelling story with compelling characters like I'm over the moon

587
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:16,680
And where monsters lie does it hands down like I think it's it's such a good. It's a tight four issues

588
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:22,120
It's great. I think it's just like watching a really great horror movie and I say issue two's out this week. It's going to be good

589
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,520
It's going to be exciting for people. I think double Kyle

590
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,520
What'd you call it earlier is double?

591
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,160
Double Kyle Wednesday double Kyle Wednesday

592
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,800
Half a year of double Kyle Wednesday

593
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,920
Well, so I wanted to kind of round out our conversation here

594
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,360
By kind of we kind of talked about there at the beginning you are so

595
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,520
Fucking busy. It's insane how much stuff you're putting out not only with your your writing, but you also do your on your patreon

596
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,520
You do like a sticker club, which is incredible

597
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,280
Obviously you're you're an artist as well, which is awesome. So

598
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,040
You know, this is kind of a basic just kind of a sure. How do you do this?

599
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,920
How do you balance normal life with being a creator in comics?

600
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,520
Do you have like any inspirations or someone out there that you kind of look towards and go that if they can do it

601
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,720
I can do it kind of thing

602
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:03,160
So, I mean, I know

603
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,960
I don't because I don't know I don't know what it's like to be a creator

604
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,320
I know I don't because I don't know I don't know what other people do. I fell into comics. I literally I mean

605
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,320
I started making comics professionally

606
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:19,480
Six years ago and started making them for fun. Maybe a couple years before that. I really fell into it

607
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,240
And I just love doing it and when you when you love the process you want to do it all the time

608
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,400
If i'm not drawing which is different when i'm drawing something

609
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:35,080
I just I wake up early and I do it until I can't do it anymore because it makes me so happy

610
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,760
Yeah, so of course I don't get I don't get to do that very often. I I it's been

611
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,000
I've got to draw in a little bit because I sold I sold something I did for

612
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:49,240
I I there's there's NDAs. I sold something I drew a couple years ago and I expanded on it

613
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,880
And I drew a little bit on that this year and I try to do these free comic book day things where I sort of

614
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,560
Do a pay what you want like a mini comic though. The last one was 48 pages

615
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,600
Um, so they're not that many they're not really that many

616
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,200
Because I love it so much. It's like well, I have to kind of make time for me to do this

617
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,480
Um, and i'm very fast at it like that's one of it like

618
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,800
I I know how to draw the things that I draw

619
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,560
I have a short hand and i'm very fast at it. I for the I for the book I can't mention I gave myself like

620
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,240
10 days I was like, haha

621
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:21,560
I'll just draw something real fast in 10 days and I ended up doing like 32 pages in 10 days

622
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,000
But I also screwed myself because i'm like to make it right. I have to it has to have all these pages. So

623
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,160
I don't but but I treat I treat every day

624
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,080
Monday through friday, like I have office hours like I wake up I eat my breakfast

625
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,880
I go to work I work until dinner time at five and then I go back and I work till seven

626
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:46,520
And from seven on his wife time and which isn't really fair to her and it shows you how supportive she is that that's enough

627
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,280
But maybe that's all she can stand to me. It's tough to say she's like, oh no, it's good. We're fine

628
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,960
I I very much try to work every day in some regards when you're doing more writing

629
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,520
It's a lot of thinking about things

630
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,800
So it's it's the process is different in that I for sure spend hours thinking about things

631
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,640
But I can also do other things like I have to distract myself so I don't get taught in a loop

632
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:14,920
I'm a big fan of having everything done before I start and that means I want to know all the beats of the story

633
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,280
I want them in my head

634
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,560
I want to tell myself that story so that before I start writing

635
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,160
I've gone through it and I've sort of pulled out the parts I don't like and tried to fix them

636
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:29,240
I can try to fix them as I get busier and busier it happened. I don't have that luxury as much as I'd like and

637
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,240
So this last year where I'm doing three books at once

638
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,520
It's tough, right? It's hard and this year's probably gonna be maybe

639
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:45,440
Worse, I've three pitches out right now that have been approved. Like I'm just waiting for them to say go after tomorrow

640
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,760
I only have one book. I'm writing I say this. I hope this is right. I only have one book

641
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,320
I have I'm presently writing so I was like, oh well, maybe I'll draw something too

642
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,320
but I know if I started that's when all three of those pitches would go and then I I don't I don't

643
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,160
I only want to do the things that are in front of me and like if I'm drawing something for me

644
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,580
which I'll do a Kickstarter or I'll do image something that

645
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,040
doesn't doesn't cost other creators time or energy are

646
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,720
Make a cause a problem on a publisher schedule

647
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,320
It's easy for me to push my stuff to the side the stuff

648
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,960
That's a hundred percent Kyle starts to do these written jobs, which is what people want from me

649
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,940
They want me to write things for other people who are better artists than me, which I get it

650
00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:30,080
My art my art has never been anything that's cartoony is not popular in the direct market and my stuff's very cartoony

651
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:36,040
I think it's I think I write in a way that my arts perfect for in terms of it has like sort of a

652
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,200
elasticity to it and it has a sort of frenetic energy that goes well with the comedy and the pacing and

653
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,460
When I when I'm drawing something, it's literally the happiest I can be

654
00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:51,380
It's I've never had a bad day at a drawing board and I don't use a script

655
00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:57,780
So I've had to lose three pages like because I'm like this is better cut three pages even those days. I I've not that's just

656
00:46:57,780 --> 00:47:01,980
It makes it better. So what do I care? It's not wasted energy. I learned the fix. I'm so excited

657
00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:06,460
So I wish I could draw more I've been saying a lot because I'm so busy right now like it's possible

658
00:47:06,460 --> 00:47:12,980
I'm doing four books if not more turn tomorrow, right is that when I'm old I'll still be able to I'll be able to do those

659
00:47:12,980 --> 00:47:17,500
I'll be just I'll be drawing weird little comics an old man. I'll be giggling my little hats off

660
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:20,980
I'll be so happy. I hope but yeah, I mean I literally I think I

661
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:24,700
Think there's a fair amount of people and I don't know what that percentage is

662
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:28,740
We don't who are professional comic creators who don't act professional who don't treat it

663
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:31,180
like it's a day job and like I go to work every day and

664
00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:38,220
You there is very much like oh the creative, you know, the creative spirit hasn't hit like well

665
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:41,740
listen, you you should still try because

666
00:47:41,740 --> 00:47:46,260
At least the process then is like you figured something out or you're just changing something and I don't write every day

667
00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:51,780
But I'm I literally think non-stop non-stop. I'm always thinking about work. I'm thinking about bills

668
00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:57,100
You know work up in my bills and so it's tough not to do it. Yeah, that's that's the bit

669
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:59,100
Did you stay busy?

670
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:02,620
Writing itself the act of writing a script is like two days, right?

671
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:06,900
The act of coming up with the story for me is weeks and that's each issue

672
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:12,220
So I'm I I have these pitches in and the pitches I don't like to I don't like to live in a world until I'm

673
00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:16,020
Actually doing the job. So I did these pitches

674
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:22,900
They were proved they're fairly in-depth but this I don't want to think about all the I like

675
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:24,900
Here's the egg of this thing. This egg is so good

676
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:29,780
Let me crack open this egg and see what's in it and I don't want to think about that until one says we have an artist

677
00:48:29,780 --> 00:48:33,380
It's time to go. Let's go because you know that you'll you'll like dive into it headfirst

678
00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:38,500
And if the artist you'll never there's little things that could happen that could change like maybe the artist the art

679
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:42,820
Oh the artists really like this, but what if we added a dog and of course, I'm always like, let's add a dog

680
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:45,860
That's not a real example. I'm trying to put a dog in all my books

681
00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:52,260
Multiple dogs in all my books, but you never know if there might be some little change or the artist and you're like man

682
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:54,660
You know, this artist is not who I would have picked

683
00:48:54,660 --> 00:49:00,580
But if I change this little thing, I think it would sing with them. I just don't want to I don't want to look so

684
00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:03,780
It's funny because I can't remember what I was thinking about today

685
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:08,180
I think this interview and I was like if they asked me about certain characters names

686
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:10,180
I won't remember them and

687
00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:12,820
Krishn Weitzer who did Six Sidekicks of Trigger Keaton and Dramar's Attacks

688
00:49:12,820 --> 00:49:15,940
He's my best friend and I think those two books are stellar, by the way

689
00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:22,340
He remembers everything so whenever we were going to do an interview last year a year after Six Sidekick came out

690
00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:25,540
And I was like, oh man, I had to read it today because I couldn't remember any characters

691
00:49:25,540 --> 00:49:27,540
He's like, how do you not remember your characters? I don't remember anything

692
00:49:27,540 --> 00:49:30,820
Because I I lived in those worlds. I want to live in those worlds so completely

693
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:36,820
That I make that world perfect for me and the story and then the readers get it and hopefully they have

694
00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:39,380
Some percentage of that, right?

695
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:43,300
So I don't like to live in these worlds until I'm in them and my preference would be to do one book at a time

696
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:48,660
And just to destroy like the five issues, but it's unrealistic at the at the level

697
00:49:49,220 --> 00:49:53,300
The level I'm doing a hand jazz like the level that I'm at you have to do multiple books

698
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:57,700
Like that's just the way of it. My friend Matt Kent's the same. It's like he was this

699
00:49:58,020 --> 00:50:00,340
He would much rather do one book at a time

700
00:50:00,340 --> 00:50:05,220
You just can't deadlines don't work that way and I've never been close to a deadline because I'm crazy and I refuse

701
00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:08,740
I want to be weeks out. So it's like even crazier this process that I have

702
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:11,380
But yeah, we'd rather do them all at once. So I try to even think about those things

703
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:13,300
So if I have all three drop tomorrow

704
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:16,340
It's gonna put me in a very bad spot because I have to live in three worlds at once

705
00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:19,780
And make them unique from each other and and I think that's just one more

706
00:50:19,780 --> 00:50:23,220
You know, you always trying to sort of be better and like that's the thing

707
00:50:23,220 --> 00:50:25,860
How can you be better is like to do these things at once?

708
00:50:25,860 --> 00:50:29,540
I'm really tangently here, but I think creatively there's you know

709
00:50:30,340 --> 00:50:32,900
When I was starting as like oh man, if only I could have x

710
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:38,820
If only I didn't have x problem and then once those were solved and you go you go awesome

711
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:44,260
Like now I don't know where those two x's there's like another two x's and you're like what the heck and

712
00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:50,820
That's life. It's like life, but it's also that's what success is. It's like it never gets to a point where you just go

713
00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:54,020
Well, I mean, I guess if you're rich enough, like what are you complaining about?

714
00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:59,860
Like oh the tax and so much on my rich money like what are what oh, they're so mean to me with my rich money

715
00:50:59,860 --> 00:51:05,540
I don't know. I don't know what that x is. I've been very very poor in my life and I'm not doing great

716
00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:08,420
So if I was very rich, I'd be like, I'm not worried about it

717
00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:12,260
But I'm not worried about it. I'm not worried about it. I'm not worried about it

718
00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:18,740
I'm not worried about it. But I think to move from those levels is like you all you have to very much look at your work objectively

719
00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:19,780
So I'm like, well, you know

720
00:51:19,780 --> 00:51:23,860
I needed to be able to do I'm at the stage where I need to be able to do multiple books at once and do

721
00:51:23,860 --> 00:51:28,500
Them well and nothing suffers and I think the next thing I need to do is figure out how you do

722
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,660
An ongoing for the big two because frankly, I can't even imagine

723
00:51:32,260 --> 00:51:36,500
Writing a character who nothing bad can happen to for 20 issues

724
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:38,940
Like I can't even wrap my head around it, right?

725
00:51:38,940 --> 00:51:42,860
And I think like that's the next stage and those guys like Donny Cates and Matthew Rosenberg

726
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:47,980
No chip how they can think like that. I don't have that storytelling chop

727
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:51,740
It's like that's the next one I need so like the growth these are all growth things, right?

728
00:51:51,740 --> 00:51:53,740
Like just trying to consistently get bigger and better

729
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:55,780
I'm gonna end the conversation with this question

730
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:59,620
basically just poking the bear at what you were just talking about there and I know this is such a

731
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:04,500
Standard I actually kind of hate this question when I hear in other podcasts or other interviews

732
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:09,860
But if there was one character that you could write for the big two, that's not named peacemaker. Who would it be?

733
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:14,060
You know, I'm so it would be peacemaker. I mean honestly

734
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:20,860
When I was a kid, I was raised. I mean I I'm like any comic fan. I I don't know when I wasn't reading comics

735
00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:22,620
I don't know when

736
00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:24,620
When I was 14, I started working at

737
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:29,760
The local comic shop, which was also a used record store a used bookstore a video rental store

738
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:35,680
Love baseball cards pornography. Like I was surrounded by media. I could read any book. I could watch any movie

739
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,680
I could see any porn. I

740
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,520
Was living the most but I was living the most blessed life, you know

741
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,920
But and I love comics and you know every Wednesday night you put our I guess Tuesday night

742
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,480
It's been a while, you know, you back up the comics you read them

743
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,080
We read everything because there was enough you could read them and I loved comics

744
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,840
But also like that was the mid 90s and it was a terrible time for comics and I was graduating high school

745
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,880
And I got out of comics and I've always loved them because I spent

746
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:06,080
Even that 12 years only caring about superheroes only caring about comic books and I I went to art to be I went to school

747
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,000
To be a fine artist. I drank a ton. I got married. I had kids

748
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,600
I had a union job and I hadn't read comics in so long until I started kind of when we started having kids

749
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,360
I was like, I'm gonna draw a comic and I sort of got back into it

750
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,920
I was like, oh man, I love all these guys, but from that point which say let's say it was 13 years ago

751
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,360
Now I'm doing it

752
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,520
It's like I'm on the other side of the curtain and it's different because now like I love fuck Tarkington from assassin

753
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,360
You know from assassination. I love Shane Sex Castle. I love I love Trudy

754
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:39,500
I love I love all these characters that I've made and my characters to me because they have risks and they have dangers

755
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:41,760
They have stakes are more interesting

756
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,680
So I don't know the answer but here I am and now I'm literally in a place where I am writing a secret Marvel book

757
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,320
where I am doing another secret and announced easy project and

758
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:57,480
What I'm interested in very much and this isn't me like backpedaling or trying to do some dance

759
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,120
I'm very interested in the challenge

760
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:04,080
I want to know who they want to see me do and I think if I couldn't do it when I

761
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Get a tangent when they came to me for Mars attacks is because I was doing Rick and Morty and Rick and Morty was doing

762
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,040
So well, and it was funny and it was sci-fi and like I like the Tim Burton movie fine

763
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,120
I like it fine. I am NOT a Mars attack guy

764
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,320
But I said it's like hey, let me let me think on it for a day

765
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,840
And if I get a story that I think is really good, I'll do it if I can't think of a story

766
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:30,100
It's like there's no point for me to see yes, and it'll just be me wasting it me me not not involved

767
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:35,320
Isn't worth anyone's time, right? And I actually that day I took a shower and I was like, oh what if it was this idea?

768
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,720
The Sun is that are trying to sort out

769
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:43,340
They're sort of like there's sort of issues as the the the cards sort of unfold behind them

770
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,800
And I'm like I was like this is pretty interesting and so I went back and I'm like I have an idea

771
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,040
And like that's where I'm at with the big two right now

772
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:54,440
Is that I want the chat who do who do who would you like for me to take a stab at what copyright?

773
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,560
Do we need to renew that I can play around with a little bit?

774
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,120
I don't think I ever have an interest in spider-man Batman

775
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:07,580
I just not that kind of writer but like I love little minor guys just like James Gunn like give me D man

776
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:13,920
Give me be beetle, you know booster gold blue beetle. I want you to write a dr. Bong story. That's what I want. Dr. Bong

777
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,400
Give me dr. Bong

778
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:23,960
That's like I and I love stuff like that. And I think even I think you'll see with peacemaker. You'll very much see how

779
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,360
That is the case if you sort of love

780
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,400
minor DC villains and

781
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,160
Obscure heroes like you're gonna get some of that and that's because I can't that's what those are the characters

782
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,380
The same reason they interest James Gunn though is like you can you can f around with these care

783
00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:43,660
You can f around with a rocket work. No one cares. Yeah, no one's gonna be mad

784
00:55:43,660 --> 00:55:48,960
I think what is Batman right? So if you want to give him like a compelling story arc, which makes the character like

785
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,840
Likeable more than the comic is not that the comics I mean that might be no the comics great

786
00:55:54,040 --> 00:56:00,000
But I that interests me so they there probably isn't a character. I will say there's a caveat to this

787
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,320
There's two caveats one peacemaker the shows it just I'm so suited for it

788
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,200
I get to tell a Kyle Starks character with a DC character

789
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,680
The other thing that prior to last year would have been like this is my if I could do any one thing it would be

790
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,600
It would be Great Lakes Avengers

791
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,040
But only the John Byrne Great Lakes Avengers from the two issues which he wrote with them

792
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,480
Which are probably my two favorite comic book issues ever because it's a masterclass and introducing

793
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,560
Midwestern characters that aren't shit on there. Yes, they're very different, but they're not they don't recognize that

794
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,040
I got to do like a Marvel Unlimited webcomic thing

795
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,440
For Great Lakes Avengers where I got to roll back everything

796
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,600
I hate that they've done the Great Lakes Avengers and I love those characters

797
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:47,640
I like little characters who won't give up no matter how much they're they're shit upon by their peers who think they're jokes

798
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:52,120
I love it when they're like, we're not jokes. We're just different than you because I like that in humans, right? Like I think that's a

799
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,000
Beloved character trait so I would say like that's probably the answer is Great Lakes Avengers, but I've done it, right?

800
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,800
And deep before I love demolition man

801
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,440
demolition man is one of my favorite characters because he's so misunderstood like everyone if you haven't read Grunwald's

802
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:13,680
Captain America run then you only know Oh demons homeless like demons not homeless. That's not even accurate to the character

803
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:19,240
I get to do a D man eight pager or six pager and secret wars 2 which is like one of my few comic works

804
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,240
And I got to do all the D man stuff

805
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,680
Could I do a six issue D man book? Yeah, it would be pretty good

806
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,660
Could I do a six issue Great Lakes Avengers? Yeah, it'd be pretty good

807
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:31,960
But they don't Marvel doesn't want that, you know what I mean?

808
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,440
Like they don't want that so I'm interested in the challenge

809
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:41,440
Which I think if you don't have I I love like nightcrawler was like my favorite as a kid in the 80s to 90s

810
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,320
Kurt's the best. I don't know anything about that character for 20

811
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:52,640
May almost 30 years now. I have no idea. Yeah, and it's like I so I can't I can't be like, oh this character

812
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,480
It's literally 20 years of me not knowing what's happened to them

813
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,560
Unless one of my friends worked on the title and not all my friends have worked on Marvel titles that I'm reading them

814
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:06,720
I read on people squirrel girl cuz Eric Anderson is one of my best friends. Yeah, but I don't know how cana that was frankly

815
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,720
I don't know if that was canan at all. So

816
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,960
But I think

817
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,040
Pace maker if it goes well, there's gonna be a lot more of me

818
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,680
I'm gonna have to do things that are less funny, which yeah, which is to me

819
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,000
I hate this place wasn't supposed to be funny at all

820
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,880
It's supposed to be maybe charming and likable, but I guess it is but I just can't help it. I'm stuck

821
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,640
I'm stuck making little funny things. So it's a good balance between supernatural and funny

822
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,760
I think like it the horror elements are there and obviously the and again

823
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:38,600
We already said it the parallel between comedy. Well, again comedy in quotations and horror you

824
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:44,680
Do it well so well horror horror has a long tradition of being a little bit funny

825
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:49,960
like it's not it's not out of place to have even the scariest movies that have like

826
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,560
Like a comic relief character or like some murder that is so over-the-top. It's it's not scary anymore

827
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,800
So yeah, that's like my easing in to like moving away from just being the funny guy

828
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,360
Which I'm still being the funny guy because it's the dark terrible world and that's my legacy

829
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Then I couldn't think of a better legacy. Frankly, I wish it was world famous funny guy

830
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:16,800
Super rich funny guy, but I will take he's the he's the he's the pretty good funny guy comic creator

831
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,480
I've always said that I like if I could ever choose some type of way to be famous

832
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,320
It would be like comic creator famous where like you can go you can go to Kroger

833
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,440
There's an Indiana reference for you there. You can go to Kroger. You can go to Walmart

834
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:28,720
No one knows who you are

835
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,040
But if you go to New York Comic Con, I bet you there's a certain amount of people who probably know who you are

836
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:38,400
And that's kind of fun, right? Yeah, I mean listen, sometimes I get recognized at dinner. It's very rare

837
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,960
My my wife hates it

838
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,120
hates it I

839
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,120
Love it. It's very rare

840
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,600
Uh, I remember one time as it's as it's e2e2 if you that's Chicago show. It's a good it's a great show

841
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,760
And they had these they have like buses go all over town and I didn't get the good hotel

842
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,200
So i'm like having to get on the bus route to get to the show and i'm just you know

843
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,960
Listen my headphones or whatever

844
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,320
Making sure I have all my stuff on the plane on the on the train the train

845
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,840
No, it's a bus and as I get off and i'm walking off the bus and there's someone else walking off the bus and we're walking

846
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,400
In they go kind of starts and i'm like

847
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,800
Yep

848
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,800
What a great moment for me

849
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,800
That's awesome. Well kyle. Thank you so much for being here. I truly appreciate it

850
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,800
This was such a great conversation and I feel like we continue to talk and talk and talk

851
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,640
But I want to put a pin in this I want to I want to if it's okay with you at some point

852
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,960
I'd love to have you back on maybe once peace maker is done

853
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,080
We could talk about it

854
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,440
Maybe once we get towards the end of I hate this place all the things

855
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,480
It would be awesome to again have you back on at some point?

856
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,440
Um, you know as a true indie as a true hoosier

857
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,200
I feel like we have more to we have more to complain about when it comes to the state of indiana as well

858
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,120
So absolutely, uh, is there anything that you want to plug or anything you want to you know?

859
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,920
Kind of highlight before we head out of here today. Yeah, so I guess it's been said multiple times

860
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,560
This wednesday and the first wednesday of the next

861
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,200
Maybe five months. Uh, it's going to be double kyle wednesday double kyle wednesday

862
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:05,280
Issue number two of where monsters lie comes out issue number six of I hate this place which returns for its second arc

863
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,640
And that will be four months of that and then I think peacemaker drops

864
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,400
Excuse me on may 1st. So it'll be two more months as

865
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,040
I hate this place ends. So every month i'm gonna have at least two times coming out. Those are three

866
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,120
Those are three very good comics. I'm very proud of them

867
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,960
I am at the kyle starks on all social medias, which is twitter facebook instagram

868
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,440
Uh, I have a shop with kyle starks.com buy from your local comic shop guys

869
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,840
Like I appreciate it, but it looks better for me with publishers and you buy it through them

870
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,200
um

871
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,920
So do that. Um, I do have a sticker club. Like we mentioned. It's five dollars a month that includes shipping

872
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:43,620
I do two dumb stickers every month today is actually the last day this february's was dark hawk and sleepwalker

873
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,480
The month before that was like psych and monk

874
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,320
Uh, I do like where we're uh, what we do in the shadows

875
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,400
Whatever. I feel like doing this month's gonna be ww. It's gonna be roman reigns and sammy zane

876
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,960
It's whatever i'm I feel like and through my patreon you can also back sticker club

877
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,520
You know that through my store and through patreon I do votes

878
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,600
I let people decide sometimes what we're gonna do because i'm busy and it's hard for me to figure out what I want to

879
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,840
Draw for each one. So patreon's great

880
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:14,080
It's kyle starks just just kyle starks that the kyle starks on patreon and you can interact with me and get stickers and it's fun

881
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:20,480
Time, I think that's everything support your local comic shop. I'll be at a million shows in march. I'm doing lexington, kentucky

882
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,560
I'm doing c2e2 i'm doing

883
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,440
Uh a show in nora kentucky on the 18th called hyland heights

884
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,080
It's a one-day show if you're in the cincinnati area and then

885
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,720
Yeah, so march is busy march is gonna be busy lots of comics lots of kyle starks. Let's get it done

886
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,080
Are you doing any of the big ones new york san diego any of those i'm doing chicago?

887
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:39,200
um

888
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,040
Which is I think the third biggest one really san diego san diego is funny

889
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,480
There's almost no reason for me to do san diego because we don't sell things

890
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,200
We don't make money if I get nominated for an eisner, which i'm not

891
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:55,280
Uh six sidekicks of trigger keaton was was picked us to be literally one of the best 10 books for adults by the new york public

892
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,160
library

893
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:01,680
Uh, not an eisner nominee though go figure on that if I get nominated if I get nominated for an eisner i'll go because

894
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,000
That's a fun deal

895
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,840
And I if I thought I might win I kind of like the idea of never winning

896
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,520
And just forever like to be like the 12 time not eisner nominee

897
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:18,480
Um, the leonardo de caprio of comics. Yeah, there's that the that soap opera actress who who was like nominated for 13 years

898
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,920
I can't I can't remember her name. Um, i'm i'd be okay with that. That's fine

899
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:27,040
Because it really I mean that literally is an award where it's better the nomination is the honor. You know what I mean?

900
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:32,880
Yeah, uh, i'm i'm hoping to new york comic con. I signed up with comics sketch art this year who is a um

901
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,280
They sort of help people at their tables and the logistics of running a table. I did 36 shows

902
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:42,720
Before the pandemic and I was doing 24 plus shows before um,

903
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,200
And i'm tired and i'm worn out from doing that but I still want to do these shows but

904
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,800
Inside baseball, I guess so the publishers aren't as

905
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,040
Willing to bring books to new york because they have to bring so many books for us

906
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,640
So they're sort of like we're not going to bring books for artists anymore creators

907
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:03,280
Logistically you sell so much in new york comic con. I couldn't figure I would not know how to do it

908
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,600
So I haven't done it. I haven't done it because like I don't know how to get

909
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:11,840
Books there get them there or get them back. I have no idea. So I signed up with comic sketch art. We're doing ct e2

910
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,800
I'm confident i'll be at new york comic con this year with with them sort of handling it for me

911
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:21,760
So i'm hoping to new york's great. Um new york's uh, it's great creative for us creators

912
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,720
But ct e2 is like the cooler version. I think like you could just walk around and enjoy yourself. Oh, yeah

913
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,720
No, so, um two sidebars number one. I actually work for comic sketch art

914
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,960
So if you go to new york or san diego, I will see you there because i'm going to be there

915
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:40,240
Um, and I love ct e2. I wouldn't i've gone I think four times since 2017. I love it every single time

916
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:45,040
It's just I think this year instead of doing ct e2 i'm doing megacon in orlando at the end of march

917
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,040
So yeah, yeah, it's kind of the caveat like if you can't if if you're going to see to it

918
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,200
You can't go to mega so I decided to make it. I wanted I wanted to do mega quite badly

919
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,720
I've not done enough of the panic book shows. So i'd like to do more

920
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,600
Yeah, absolutely. I want to go to canada. I want to go to canada real bad. Oh heck. Yeah

921
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,280
I've already i'm already trying to get my passport this year

922
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,640
That way I can go to some of these comic sketch art abroad shows, you know, that'd be that'd be so awesome. So

923
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,280
Uh, well kyle, thank you so much again for being here. We appreciate it and we'll talk to you soon

924
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,560
Yeah, sounds good. Thanks for having me and we'll be back already. There it is

925
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,840
There's our conversation with kyle starks

926
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:22,400
Like we said really awesome to talk to him, uh, very excited about peacemaker tries heart

927
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,940
Like that is going to be super awesome as we said there in the conversation

928
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:32,800
He was inspired by what james gunn did with the character there on hbl max as we were as were we aron

929
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:39,360
Because we absolutely love that show remember again. It actually won our last call award for best tv series last year

930
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,920
I still think about it to this day. It's one of the best

931
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,840
It's like one of the best superhero properties that's come out in a long time

932
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:52,080
So and I have no doubt that kyle starks is going to continue that legacy over with peacemaker tries hard

933
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,640
But along with that though excited about the return of I hate this place with number six that came out this week

934
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,920
And then also of course excited to see what he does with where monsters lie over at dark horse comics

935
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:08,640
So I love that because that reminds me of uh, so you might know i'm a huge, uh, neil gaiman fan

936
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,240
absolutely, and you know if you've listened to any of the

937
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,960
Sandman audio like if you've read the books or audiobooks and like that so in the audiobooks

938
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,680
There's like this uh, there's these conventions that these silly serial killers have and they get together

939
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,880
And that's what that kind of reminds me where monsters lie

940
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,080
It kind of reminds me of these like quiet moments where

941
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,640
Serial killers are just kind of like they're just normal people, you know, they're just trying to live their lives

942
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,640
They're just trying to get together and talk, you know have a panel by their their their you know

943
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:42,160
People they love who are serial serial killers as well. So I don't know it's a weird comparison

944
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:47,600
But that's what that reminded me of yeah, and essentially that's exactly what kyle says here. That's his whole that's his shtick

945
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:53,120
That's where his interests lie is like what does michael meyers do when he's not out killing teenagers, you know

946
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,440
Like what does he do in his free time? Does he do launch sharks?

947
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,640
He likes to power walk around the suburbs like around the cul-de-sac like that's what monsters lie is and

948
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,360
Very very happy that we were able to have kyle on the show

949
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:10,640
Excited to have him on eventually after peacemaker concludes. So yeah, that's uh, that'll probably do erin for episode 110

950
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,600
We're gonna take next week off as we do every 10 episodes, but

951
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,520
erin

952
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,520
episode 111

953
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:22,720
Can you believe it that the man himself kevin smith will be here on the oblivion bar podcast that

954
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,720
This is a this is a landmark episode for us. Not only do we have a variant comic

955
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:33,440
Which we're just gonna brag about that again, but also kevin freaking smith will be on the show for episode 111

956
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,240
It's unbelievable. I wasn't even supposed to work today is what i'm trying to say erin

957
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,360
So excited to talk to kevin smith he'll be talking about his quickie stops

958
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,800
imprint through dark horse comics very excited to talk to him

959
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,080
I don't think i'm ready for that quite yet. Erin. I like

960
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,000
Internally, I don't know how i'm gonna react because I think we do a pretty good job

961
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,600
You know talking to creators talking to people who are in the industry

962
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,600
We do but kevin smith is the people would agree. Yeah, I think so

963
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:08,240
Let us know oblivion bar pod at gmail.com if we if we suck or leave us a review, you know

964
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,520
Yeah, leave us a review only five stars though only five stars

965
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:16,400
These guys like give us a five star five star review but also just say man. This interview was terrible

966
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:22,560
Kaila storks was great though, but kevin smith excited to talk to him and yeah, that'll be that'll be quite the

967
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,080
Hashtag milestone. Remember the hashtag milestones we used to say back in the day

968
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,040
Yeah, we're going to be like internally screaming the entire time

969
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,160
Yeah, just know how if we sound normal during the conversation just know

970
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,440
That we're not on the inside. I'm wearing a diaper

971
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,560
That's right. Well, uh, like I said, we're gonna take next week off and then we'll come back

972
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,640
Hot and heavy with uh, kevin smith interview

973
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,560
So but still a grid if you're a patreon member if you're a patron of our show

974
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:50,400
We're still gonna have a grid because that's what we do. We can't we can't uh, we have to visit the grid

975
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,920
We cannot we cannot escape that. Yeah, it's uh, it's more for us. Anyway, it's not really for you guys

976
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,920
We get together on the grid just to talk to each other

977
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,640
All right, erin go and take us out here take us out of episode 110

978
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:07,520
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979
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,120
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980
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,800
They're like stop talking about patreon everybody remember that do you remember?

981
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,920
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982
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:23,040
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983
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984
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:32,720
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985
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,880
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986
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990
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991
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,280
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Thank you dream kid for all of our oblivion bar themes and thank you dj skyvac for our grid theme. Thank you

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fantasy shop for sponsoring the show we love you guys and last but not least do not forget to tip your bartenders 20 or more or

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You failed this city. There you go. Hey check that out. There's an arrow reference

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We haven't done one of those on the show good job. You see w they cancel it. They ruin the arrow verse. I'm it. Oh

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Thank you guys so much for listening to the oblivion bar podcast

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Like I said, we'll be off next week, but we'll see you in two weeks with our kevin smith interview. Thank you so much

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Bye. Bye

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